A Big Pot of Money for Next-Gen Jeep

A Big Pot of Money for Next-Gen Jeep

Imagine a bounty of nearly $100 billion. That’s right, $100 billion.

The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle Program is likely to be worth somewhere between $50 billion and that magical $100 billion figure, according to industry insiders. The past month has seen the rollout of several JLTV pitches, including those by Northrop-Grumman and Oshkosh (that’s the truck company, not the cute overall folks) and one from a conglomerate of Textron Systems, Boeing and SAIC.

But the biggest problem with this competition is that it has competition. There are MRAPs and Humvees and Abrams tanks and M113s all competing for ground vehicle money. The House Armed Services Committee is worried about all this. In the report accompanying its version of the 2009 defense authorization bill, the committee mentions JLTV twice in separate sections.


In the first one, the committee says said it is “concerned that the Army’s current plan to field, maintain, and continuously modernize three separate fleets of ground combat vehicles, in addition to replacing much of its wheeled vehicle fleet, is unaffordable in the near– and mid-term and could greatly increase operational support costs in the long-term.”

Right now, the service has the heavy mechanized force of M1 tanks, M2 Bradley fighting vehicles, and M113 support vehicles and the Stryker family of vehicles. On top of that the Army is beginning to spend large amounts of money building the Future Combat Systems.

The cost of modernizing the three fleets “at the same time could require funding far in excess of likely Army procurement funding in the fiscal year 2010 to fiscal year 2020 period.” Add the JLTV to the mix and the Army won’t have much money for anything else, the committee report notes.

But the committee doesn’t get down and whack any of the existing programs much. Instead, it “urges” the Army “to reexamine the proper mix of brigade combat teams and ground combat vehicles” in its next budget and during the upcoming Quadrennial Defense Review so the service can modernize and support its vehicle mix “under realistic future budget assumptions.”

Not exactly what the JLTV folks might want to hear right now, with all the talk of revolutionary capabilities from their offerings, but remember that the committee did not cut much from FCS or the other programs in the House bill.

It did say that “some current vehicles, such as the M113 family of vehicles, have requirements significantly less demanding than the M1 Abrams, M2 Bradley, and M109A6 Paladin in terms of combat capability.” Given that, the committee said it “could support replacement of the M113 family with FCS or Stryker vehicles.”

In another section of the report, the committee makes clear its worries about the competition for resources between MRAPS, up-armored Humvees and JLTV.

“In addition to the thousands of light, medium, and heavy trucks and hundreds of armored security vehicles, the committee is aware the Army would purchase over 12,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles by the end of fiscal year 2008 and almost 2,000 additional Stryker vehicles through fiscal year 2013,” the report notes.

“Concurrently, the Army and the Marine Corps continue to develop the joint light tactical vehicle (JLTV), which would perform many of the same missions that current up-armored high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWV) and MRAP vehicles now perform.”

The lawmakers say they are “concerned over whether there could be a potential to prematurely accelerate ‘point solutions’ for the JLTV program.” So it calls on the Army to work with the Marines to come up with a long-term strategy and to “consider cost reduction strategies, reliability, and maintainability improvement initiatives.”

We’re not quite sure where that leaves JLTV. The JLTV business development types we spoke with said they know they have their work cut out for them.

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I personally think this is a better idea (if one new the new gen armor system to attach to it then the MRAP). Given the fact that many have no idea what Im talking about, well, theres a “project being understaken.” The Mrap is a Bank Vault, tipped on its side, with some wheels n a motor. At a million a pop, that some serious cashola for just blowing the undercarriage out. I am STAUNCHLY behind protecting the troops, and doing it with technology that is at hand. Its the Mission Goal of my company.
From my personal knowledge, if I was going to continue to carry out “blitzkrieg” type wars, it is always better to put less men, equip., money into each vehicle.. why? Because were still in a “WAR” when that happens and you not only lower the risk to personnel, but the cost drops and I’d rather attack anything with 1 million ants than two elephants. This is something I have spoken pretty much in depth with Christian about and while he has to “see it to believe it, as do I”, the addition of inexpensive “protection” (not storm grating)rather than the huge price per unit…(not to mention fuel prices anyone?)
Best, David Woroner, President, SCI

what a piece of crap looking vehicle„„„„,must we???????

Nice to see that those old Mad max movies are being used to design the new vehicles!

this is missing a lot of thing that actual hummvees have. this will be ok for civilian not for military, I don’t see the high technology in this!

Every time we see the requirements of a new jeep (people mover) it starts off as a real basic version and then grows with each generation with more and more protection, firepower, mission requirements, etc. Most of the requirements coming from our soldiers (and some from critics-San Jose Mercury news on the Bradley) Why are they not asked this question? I agree with lider75, “nothing new”… Even the Striker, just a remake of vehicles other countries have. I can go on for ever on this subject. Where are the mission/missing objectives for these new vehicles? What is it suppose to do? Is the Department of Defense recruiting new ideas? And at what costs? If you want speed with armor protection we may need new ideas for light weight. Or just maybe new ideas on how to cope with threats. Vehicles have looked at passive armor, active armor, pass through (less spalling), deflective armor (inherent in design), etc, etc, etc. What’s next? Ground penetrating radar, no wheels or ground contact or less/lighter ground contact. Above ground threats? How about low profile? skinny? light bending (use of mirage)? self adapting camouflage?
The basic concept with all military designs is to (and I’m sorry to say this) kill more with less. How about the “ironman”? Or is this still to much sci fi yet? It’s the ability of one soldier to carry (maybe) unlimited weight, armament, whatever. And what about speed? Nobody said this suite had to have 2 arms and 2 legs. And the next generations could eliminate the “on-board” solder. There’s your “million ants” Mr. Woroner. (I would really like to go more into depth about this subject-really interesting).
How about redesign the M113? Last time I checked 80,000 of those units were built, with many now in mothballs. Ever see the 4 roadwheel “Sprint” design?

This thing looks like any ordinary off road vehilce/SUV!

Why don’t you just buy some Escalades and send them over to Iraq instead?

Send some out to a MEF, Run them 3 months, Then forget all the Pentagon evaluaters, etc… and plug into the ever reliable Marine Corps
“L/CPL Network” you will learn everything you need to about vehicles performance or lack-of.
SEMPER FI!!!

Hay, why don’t those chair-borne Admirals/Generals just have those company’s build say 200 and then turn them over to the guys (say Army,USMC) who will eventually have to use them and let them use and abuse them for say 1-year in all types of terrain and conditions (combat??). I would believe that they would soon discover that this particular vehicle would fail in the military environment.

They may look nice and sporty but what our troops need is a vehicle that is both functional (maintenance enables the person riding in it protection) and ruggedness.

u know what ever it takes to pertect or troops is all that matters the mrap program is a good thing i’ve driven them thier top heavy but thier doing there jobs over thier we just need to get more over thier faster.

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