Who Gets More: Afghanistan or Iraq

Who Gets More: Afghanistan or Iraq

Stung by a brazen Taliban attack on an American outpost in Northeastern Afghanistan that left 9 U.S. troops killed and 15 wounded, the top military commander made clear that Afghanistan will no longer be an “economy of force” mission. Commanders in Afghanistan have long had to make do with what they can get, as the war in Iraq received the vast bulk of men and material.

That is about to change. Speaking to reporters Wednesday at the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs Chair Admiral Michael Mullen said every military leader he spoke to in Afghanistan called for more troops. They also emphasized the difficulty and the complexity of the fighting in Afghanistan, he said.

The terrain alone in Afghanistan makes for a formidable enemy with high mountain ranges and narrow valleys that restrict and channel movement. The vast open spaces, piss-poor road network and widely distributed population mean helicopter is the only way to get from point A to B. I’ve been out on patrol with American soldiers humping loads up and down those mountains in that thin air, and they move at a snails pace.

As countless armies before ours have learned, it is a hell of a tough place to fight. In my frequent encounters in Afghanistan with former mujaheddin, I always came away thinking these are the hardest of hard men, and I hope we don’t ever get into a protracted fight with these people. These are not the fat, track-suit wearing louts you see lounging around Baghdad cyber-cafes waiting to plant IEDs as soon as the American patrol moves along. No, the wiry and tough Afghans, hardened by their environment, are a totally different enemy. It’s well time our leaders devoted more troops, helicopters and money to Afghanistan.

Mullen said they are working hard to find more troops to send “sooner rather than later.” Defense Secretary Robert Gates hinted that the roughly 3,500 Marines that have been fighting in southern Afghanistan might be repositioned to another part of the country once French reinforcements arrive in the area, although, the Marines are scheduled to come home in November.

Mullen provided some details on the attack on the outpost in Konar, saying that the attackers numbered “several hundreds” and were clearly well armed, well trained and the attack itself was well thought out. Interestingly, he said eight of the nine dead American troops “all died basically in the same spot.” That implies they might have been in a bunker or a building that was attacked with an explosive charge.

Mullen talked extensively about the border region and the fact that the war in Afghanistan cannot be fought successfully without addressing the sanctuaries and insurgent transport routes along the border. He said they’re seeing large numbers of insurgents and foreign fighters flowing across the Pakistan border into Afghanistan. “This movement needs to stop. We simply must all do a better job, of policing the border region and eliminating the safe havens, which serve today as launching pads for attacks on coalition forces.”

The “all” in that statement included NATO, the U.S., the Afghans and of course the most important border player, Pakistan. Mullen highlighted Pakistan as providing safe havens for training and freedom of movement across the border. He said that a “syndicate” of different groups who have not worked together in the past have recently joined forces to launch attacks in the border region. Gates was quick to dismiss any notion that troops are being massed for a cross-border attack into Pakistan.

A surge of new troops to Afghanistan is in the making. Question is, with the last of the Iraq surge brigades just coming home, where are they going to find those additional units?

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Obama and McCain finally found something to agree on: Afghanistan is where the real war’s at! While McCain still wants to fight in Iraq some more, Obama thinks Iraq is totally last year’s war and we should just throw everything we have at Afghanistan. Regardless of what they think of Iraq, the verdict is in. Afghanistan is the war to watch!

How must Iraq feel to be yesterday’s quagmire? If only these two chaotic regions could talk…
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First and formost Iraq is not “last year’s” war. To simply discount the US lives lost, and capital put into getting that country stable again is ridiculous. We must complete what “we started” period. Our crediability has a world power is at stake and to cut and run dilutes this notion big time. More important we need to be “proactive and stop being reactive” and in my opinion this is exactly what we are doing with Afghanistan. We are relying so much on techno answers that we have failed to truly understand how this time of war must be approached.

Second, sending more troops does not always equate to a road to victory. They way we are using our forces are ineffective in this theater .commanders are more concerned with risk factors, constraits and ridiculous rules, in essence their is a general lack of aggressivness in theater (based off my experience in OIF/OEF).

Third, if Afghanistan has not shown us the lack of total committment of NATO and its usefulness I don’t know what will. Look at the reporting NATO is somewhat part of the problem. This organization needs to step up to the plate and show its capable of combating modern-day threats!

Finally, the strategy is flawed. Think back to the beginning of the fight, it was being conducted they way it should have been as “unconventional warfare”. In less then 12 months this changed and the “big army” got involved and look at where we are now. Historical speaking and especially in this country using conventional methods has not worked the terrain is too unforgiving, populous bent on tribal issues, ideology and the constant influx of fighers make it very difficult. The fact that in both OIF/OEF SF does not own the theater is ridiculous. essentially SOF has to ask the “battlspace owner” for permission to operate in his area. This is not a way to prosecute this type of fight!

The bottom line is more troops will go to Afghanistan regardless of what the strategy is because in Afghanistan we are offically at “POLITIC” not war. My question is where are they going to get them from. Those that make policy failed to realize one crucial item. Troops are getting tired and i don’t care what they say, its the truth. So before we go off on “knee jerk reactions”, how about developing an effective strategy and including people who actually know how to fight guerilla warfare!

I really like the new Naval Officer Uniform.

I think the key in Iraq is for the Central Government to assume the debt of the provinces (if that is possible).

Similar approach to how Alexander Hamilton got the individual States to fall in order after the Revolutionary War.

We all had a common interest in the Countries credit health & growth, etc.

Also, this did lead for us to have the credit to purchase of the Louisiana Purchase from France. Maybe one day Iraq will just buy Syria. :-)

Obviously we will have dissent from some parties because of personal self interests.

Once implemented though this will dramatically stabilize the region and could allow us to transfer some resources (with moderation) between Iraq to Afghanistan.

Believe these articles shed a bit more light on what happened in Afghanistan. Most of the 9 KIA were in the vicinity of an OP. This is the second time 173rd Airborne Brigade experienced heavy action in this general area.

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Afghanistan is closer to Russia. Let’s steal the opium money! Conventional warfare is out the window.

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