Time to drop “war on terrorism”

Time to drop “war on terrorism”

How do terrorists meet their end? According to an analysis conducted by RAND of 648 terrorists groups that operated between 1968 and 2006 the most common way, 43 percent of the cases, is they join the political process. But an almost equal number, 40 percent, met their demise at the hands of police and intelligence services that either killed or captured key leaders. Unleashing the military on terrorists was successful just 7 percent of the time.

The RAND study says the military is too blunt an instrument for most counterterrorist missions, and is only effective, and only occasionally, when terrorists operate within the context of a full blown insurgency. Military power is too indiscriminate and can actually help terrorist recruitment by causing civilian casualties.

The RAND study usefully knocks down some of the wilder assertions that have gained traction in the U.S. since the 9–11 attacks, such as claims that Al Qaeda poses an existential threat to the U.S., or that the specter of a pan-Islamic caliphate spanning the globe should actually be taken seriously. In reality, the data shows that Al Qaeda’s “probability of success in actually overthrowing any government is close to zero.” Al Qaeda has been rejected everywhere it has attempted to establish anything resembling a government. And because of the group’s indiscriminate killing of civilians, Al Qaeda’s list of enemies continues to grow. Religiously motivated terrorists fare far worse than those motivated by political grievances, according to RAND.

RAND says the “war on terror” label should be dropped and terrorists treated more like common criminals than elevated to the status of “holy warriors.” Terrorism experts have long argued that jihadi groups operate much like criminal gangs, often financing operations through drug sales and robbery. Policing and intelligence are the most effective tools in sweeping up terrorist networks scattered throughout Europe, Asia and the Middle East. That means the military should take a back seat to efforts to track and arrest terrorists, a job more suited for the CIA, FBI and foreign agencies such as Interpol.

RAND’s analysis makes a good point. When in Iraq, I constantly heard the refrain from soldiers that going after insurgent networks was more police work than soldiering. They said they didn’t have the training or expertise needed to bust roadside bomber networks that operated more like criminal gangs than military outfits. So they improvised and began using law enforcement techniques to go after the bomber networks: tapping cell phones; paying informants to finger the bad guys; forensic analysis of bomb sites to try and detect signatures of specific bomb makers.

Catching terrorists is a human intelligence job, which means finding and developing informants; paying people to rat out their colleagues. Paying informants is not a traditional military function and strict regulations exist limiting how much military officers can pay informants, regulations that often hindered efforts to go after bomber networks in Iraq.

The only problem is that the U.S. government security and intelligence apparatus is, by nature of resource allocation, a military one. RAND says the budgets of civilian agencies such as the CIA, State and the FBI should be increased and those agencies, not the military, should take the lead role in counterterrorism. But in what powerful lawmaker’s districts do those agencies reside? What part of industry is going to actively lobby for greatly expanding the budgets at CIA, State and the FBI? Last time Congress tried something along those lines we ended up with the Department of Homeland Security.

Perhaps the next administration will push for a reallocation of resources, less military and more civilian agency. To his credit, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has been pushing this idea for much of the past year, arguing that the civilian agencies of government most useful in combating terrorism and irregular warfare are woefully underfunded relative to the Pentagon. But any effort to pull money from defense and give it to civilian agencies would be vigorously resisted on the Hill. So policymakers will continue to throw the one government agency, DOD, with lots of money and people at the terrorism problem. So, it’s more than likely we’ll see another study similar to this one from RAND in about eight years arguing once again that law enforcement, not the military, should take the lead in counterterrorism.

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I agree with this judgment, just as long as it does not end up being called a “police action” as Pres Truman termed the Korean War, with over 15 countries besides American troops involved from 1950–53. There were Scots, Brits, Turks, Aussies, New Zealanders et al.

RAND has missed the point in that that “lawfare” only works in a society that believes in the rule of law. Since there are many in the world that do not follow that premise, “lawfare” did not and will not work. That “the police and the courts will take care of it” attitude at places like RAND and the halls of government is the primary reason our troops have had to be used to address the problem after the failure of “lawfare” policy’s.

The use of modern police techniques by the military does not negate the need for military presence to make it work. Passing some laws and telling the police and courts to take care of it will not address terrorism or radical Islam.

Tipover: Here, Here!!!!!!!

What tipover said with the added element of police and civil official corruption in the countries where insurgents often operate.

Case in point.…Afghanistan drug warlords bribing everyone in sight.

BTW, my pride in the present military of all branches know no bounds. They went in as grunts, marines, navy and airmen and turned into SOF/Police/SWAT/Trainers/Intel/Robot and UAV drivers and “other duties as assigned”. As a former enlisted in the Army, Army Reserve and Air National Guard I saw the start of this and am still amazed with the professionalism, perseverance, flexibility and patriotism of these folks. Thank You all.

I think the rand people are Blowing smoke. they have to look and feel important to tell the pentagon brass how it see’s things. I thought that the pentagon was staffed with military people. maybe I was wrong are maybe all the military brass has never been in command of even a row boat, are a model air plane, maybe they play in a sand box with little tanks and little G.I.figures.boy thats one way to fill out a military career.with sand in your pants cuffs.unless they wear diapers.

The speed of a civilian is measured at quiting time. Having said that, Our War fighters don’t get off work ar 1700 hours. They get paid a lot less then those civilians who don’t figure that we are still at war with those who would do us harm. Those who work in the think tanks are Ph.D’s MA’s and such who for the most part don’t know which end of a rifle the bullet comes out of. Some of them are former officers who retired and have forgot what the green machine is all about. How many of them have been to Iraq and talked with AlQaeda or any other terrorist group to see just how effective our troops are at kicking ass and taking names.

I’ve become disillusioned with presidential politics influence on America’s Army and now Presidential contenders for America’s WhiteHouse are publicllie declaring their divine right of the military. You know I was in the military during the Clinton’s last term in the WhiteHouse and our recon unit was training well. As far as I know as Bush took office he dismantled the Army. And thats the underlined reason loud voices are crying impeachment as stupid as it looks if you don’t know personally the Bush’s dismantling of America’s Army in the middle of a full scale war and against a large Saudi Arabian family Bush is a murderous lunatic which could kill many soldiers. I can’t believe The Cabinet watched Bush force the Hawks into retirement. This new idea of Partisan Republicans (oh really)! from a military standpoint, the situation is not under control. And what does Great Britain and Austrailia’s Military think while they’re in the war with us and Bush is not putting up a good fight for the uk. I mean it doesn’t make sense.

As of the mid 90’s, prosecution of terrorists was to be a function of the courts, our courts if tried by us here. The use of the military in fighting terrorists was to be left to Special Forces as part of their counterinsurgency role. I don’t know when or why all of this changed, because it had been doctrine for as long as I can remember.

“An analysis by RAND” …

Gee — what was their first clue? As if we hadn’t enough information from the Vietnam era to learn from.

Politicians ignore history and get many people killed as is evidenced by the Wall in DC and the casualty list during the Iraq “war”.

The RAND study is bogus. It’s absolutely absurd to compare Islamist terrorist organizations with the non-religious terrorist organizations that existed in Europe prior to 1990. They have completely different motivations, ideologies, and objectives.

Any study that does not take that into account is useless.

Just because some sanctimonious percentile analyzers quantified data to justify more resources best suited to fighting a problem that misses the entire point of fighting faux war tactic rhetoric with blunt (but real) military war tactic.

What is created is real war tactic aimed at our “troops” where none existed before we, the CIA or monied interests started
poking their noses into political cycles of influence in resource rich, leadership poor countries, just the sort of playground the
CIA loves manipulating the political machinations while they sit at home and voyeuristically watch as their kinks predictably reach chaos threshold as easily as a row of dominos

Until most of us realize that meddling by the very agencies that RAND wants to redirect funding to.

This self-serving “report” requires an objective analysis by a conflict free agency, gratuitous think-tanks like RAND serve the worldview that benefits their bottom line via potential use of their “proprietary fear-monger funding enticement spreadsheet”.

The self-gratification of bean-counters to remove all negative causation elements from their “research” indicates that not only do most of you not “get it”, but RAND doesn’t get it either, (obviously the real truth never gets analyzed or released for public consumption).

Until anyone is ready to face the realities of false-flag attacks under the guise of “plausible deniability” wet-dream, then most of these amateurs will simply fail to see the entire picture, not just the parts you think you understand.

Until archaic chest thumpers are extinct, we as a species will continue to miss all the most obvious causation factors for perpetual human slaughter or “war as usual” because like those who fail to learn from history, we continue to reap the rotting corpse of stagnant thinking which refuses to deal with the death grip most people have on aspects of human life which have no basis in logic, but are deeply buried by irrational superstition, until we overcome this critical human flaw, we will continue to hate and kill anything that we don’t understand and afterwards, we continue to applaud the “heroic” sacrifice;

Main Entry: sacrifice
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: One or more living creatures slain and offered to a deity as part of a religious rite.

by our (fearful of dying unemployed in America) brave Warriors who die for (Halliburton stockholder portfolios) our (arrogant indifference to human suffering of non-white, non-Americans) Freedom, (to deny that millions of innocent Iraqis should die so we can barrel down the road in our family tanks to 7/11 for a slurpee).

“a posteriori” is completely unhinged. Not only is 99% of what he’s saying completely inaccurate, but he can’t seem to maintain even a single train of thought.

Please, try some ADD medication.

This should have been a SPECOPS only war. DOD should never have been in charge. Homeland Security should have been truly organized after 9/11 to enable effective terror suppression with DOD support. Brains and muscle have to be coordinated without the jurisdictional BS that is so commonly associated with interagency student council sessions. We are too slow.
Check the logistical requirements of the Afgan
action. How is it that a small contingent of USCG can handle that? SPECOPS! Maybe before we ramp up there, we will try this new approach?
Let us quit making scape goats. The corporate drivers should not lead, they are not mission oriented, only quarterly driven.
New blood is needed for CIA,FBI,NSA,etc..with a mandate unlike any past SOP’s. JIATF OPS should lead with Force Recon/CGPSU’s/Seal/GB hunter killer teams, supported by Ranger reaction Force with USMC overwatch. Let’s get real boys and girls or else we will be CHINA~!

the Fedreal government policy is to move there personell that screw up to a higher position with more power. which means that every turd in the government is a warshout from the privet sector and not compentent to wipe there own axse.
I am around the VA more than I wish to be and the policy stand send the axss hole to a higher job. clinical terms, lots of fiber shit floats. By the way military powere = nothing, but dead bodys. “If you sacrafice freedom for security you will have nether freedom or security” dont rember who said it but he right the more freedom you talk away the less security. If you dont like my spelling up yours you know what I mean, and having a 10,000 pound bomb cook off at 400 yards at the Da Nang bomb dump in 1969 dont help. But even without a brain I smarter than Bush.

What do yo do with a bunch of religious fanatics that insist on killing those who don’t agree with them?

Don’t make treaties, since they will not abide by the terms.

Don’t bother bribing them, since, in the long run, they will take the money and continue to do what they are doing anyway.

“Re-education” has a very limited success rate, since religious fanatics are not really logical.

Not much left, is there?

I do not agree with Rands assumption of utilizy law enforcement in apprehending insurgents and terrorists. They do not have the training nor the means to battle 20 to 40 insurgents in a full blown firefight. I served in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Law Enforcement is useless in those areas that has a high capacity of combat, especially when the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are afraid of military personnel coming back from those warzones because of the tactics and combat experience that these veterans have. So what can the FBI and other law enforment agencies offer other than recruit for a military style law enforcement, engaged to kill instead to save and protect life?

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