Nuke Panel Urges Big AF Changes

Nuke Panel Urges Big AF Changes

Saying they were surprised by the extent of the “erosion” in the quality of the Air Force’s management of its nuclear weapons since the end of the Cold War, a panel of greybeards led by former Defense Secretary James Schlesinger wants Air Force Space Command folded into a new Air Force Strategic Command and urges a range of other measures to ensure airmen dealing with nukes “feel they are part of an important mission.”

Bringing back something like Strategic Air Command is the biggest organizational and functional change recommended by the Task Force on DoD Nuclear Weapons management, which was created by Defense Secretary Gates after several high profile cock-ups involving nuclear weapons or their components. The creation of Space Command has meant that space had attracted “some of the glamor” and left missileers feeling like second tier players. Schlesinger noted that most officers, if they wanted promotions and a decent career path, had to become space qualified and stay in that slot. “Some of the glamor will now move back to the nuclear mission,” he said. (Maybe this will mean a new version of that classic 1955 Jimmy Stewart movie, “Strategic Air Command?”)

The panel also recommends adding about 2,000 people to the ranks of those Air Force personnel who deal with nuclear matters, Schlesinger told reporters at a Friday Pentagon briefing. They also want a single bomber numbered air force created that is responsible for the traditional service responsibilities of organizing, training and equipping. It would be assigned to the new Air Force Strategic Command.

One of the panel’s main goals, aside from the primary goal of restoring a special sense of mission to those in the Air Force who deal with nuclear matters, is to restore confidence among America’s allies that the US nuclear deterrence means something and is reliable. Schlesinger said he thought restoring this confidence would take six months to a year.

In addition, the Air Force itself has 180 action items it is working to rebuild the management and operations of its nuclear assets, Schlesinger said.

Although there had been rumors that the Air Force’s cyber command, currently in limbo, would be folded into the new Strategic Command, that was not one of the panel’s recommendations. “this is a problem that will have to be sorted out,” Schlesinger said, adding that he did see similarities between the nuclear and cyber missions.

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We former Cold Warriors have long joked that “SAC will be back.”

It looks like that will indeed happen in one form or another. When Obama’s advisor Tony McPeak dissolved SAC as the AF Chief of Staff, it was a huge mistake and it’s sad that it has taken over fifteen years to resolve this.

I just hope the AF does the right thing and uses the old SAC emblem!

Not a bad idea; SAC is nuclear and “global strike”, whatever that turns out to be. TAC (including UAV ops) gets put in the Army where it’s always belonged.

“When Obama’s advisor Tony McPeak dissolved SAC as the AF Chief of Staff, it was a huge mistake and it’s sad that it has taken over fifteen years to resolve this.” As someone who was a senior officer in the Air Force during Tony McPeak’s tenure I can say that McPeak was a huge mistake.
His number one priority upon taking over as USAF CS was to get the aircrew to wear “snazzy blue flightsuits like the Thunderbirds wear.” I actually had a friend who was USAFE “test officer” for this stupidity. Even he agreed that he looked like an overgrown Smurf. Eventually the sarcasm of one Chief Master Sergeant who indicated that the OD uniforms were meant to give the aircrew a fighting chance at escape and evasion overturned this absurdity. The exact comment was, “Where are we going to find blue trees for our downed flyers to hide behind?”

Rebuffed in his number one priority he fell back to his number two priority, designing a new Service Dress Uniform that had “Snazzy sleeve rank like the Navy has.” Nobody liked his design. Notwithstanding that, he made us watch 45 minute videos at commander’s calls where he and the CMSAF tried to sell the idea of the new uniform. It was obvious that the CMSAF was even doing the commercials under duress. After something like two million man-hours wasted trying to sell this idea, he rammed it through the USAF uniform board as a mandatory change. Fortunately his tenure expired before the leadtime required for making a new uniform mandatory expired. His replacement as Chief of Staff showed up in the OLD Service dress and except for the few suck-ups that were part of McPeak’s own cult of (lack of) personality, no one ever had to actually buy the butt-ugly uniform he designed.

Having said that, what eventually happened to SAC was disgraceful, and dozens of people should have been fired over the “accidental” transfer of nuclear weapons on a B-52 from Minot to Barksdale.

The terrifying thing is that the Obama people believe McPeak brings value to them as an advisor. How little they understand the military…..

The Air Force mission does not belong with the Army. This isn’t 1940 and flying missions, other than those from a carrier, belong with a seperate Air Force as it’s been proven time and time again.

As for McPeak….I’ll just throw three letters out there to express another frustration with him…TQM.

SAC Covers and serves the U S A

“TAC (including UAV ops) gets put in the Army where it’s always belonged.”

DensityDuck: What in the world did you mean with this comment? TAC’s mission doesn’t belong in the Army. That has nothing to do with the intent of this proposed organizational change in the Air Force.

DensityDuck isn’t far off, given the way things are going I’ve been predicting the AF would be folded back into the Army within 25 years anyway.

Bring back SAC, i was in it, B52s.
Should never got rid of SAC.

As a former member of SAC, I am all for this reorginization! I was a missilier At Minot for 51/2 years! We were the tip of the sword in those days and we served with great pride knowing we were a deterent to any aggressor! Perhaps this is what is needed again? A Command dedicated to a nuclear response in the event of aggression by a terrorists state using WMD. Maybe Iran and NK would take pause knowing there are dedicated professionals ready to respond?! This is not to take anything away from the dedication and proffessionalism of the current AF. But there was a very valid reason in thoses days for the “workload” to be divided among various commands.

Is it any surprise that care for our unconventional assets has deteriorated?
We HAD an organization that was tight-fisted when it came to nukes. But it was declared obsolete by today’s thinking!
SAC troopers trained to stay on top of things. Security was always the main concern for our assets.
Recurring training instilled that sense of urgency, that need to keep our nukes safe and secure. We were very aware of the consequences of unrestrained warfare, and unauthorized seizure of assets. We practiced being ready to use weapons we hoped would never have to be used.
You don’t avoid conflicts by displaying weakness…Only by projecting strength. Our motto said it all: “Peace Is Our Profession”.
If you want to see just how far we have fallen, militarily, compare a SAC ORI (Operational Readiness Inspection) with an ACC or AMC ORI….It doesn’t come close!
Be careful America: Rome fell because it decayed from the inside.
Let’s not go the way of Rome!

I still think and will always think, get some pride back into the Uniform.. get some pride back into the service..
Wearing BDUs all over the place is not showing pride. Every Mocho walking around has to wear BDUs in the service or not..You never know when you see someone walking in a store if he is Military or a wanna be, thats male and female both..
Off Base Dress Uniform at least a B class

Finally a suggestion that makes sense! SAC was a tightly run organization ensuring mission readiness. I hope and pray they follow through with this suggestion.

It has been sad watching the reputation of the AF become tainted the past few years. I worked 17 of my 22 yrs guarding nuclear weapons as a member of the AF Security Forces. Twelve of those years in the missile fields of S. Dakota and Montana. It was always long *COLD* work but our leaders always stressed the importance of what we are doing and we excelled NSI after NSI. I can only imagine what the troops are feeling watching their leaders get fired after at least two very serious incidents. Great comments so far. I remember TQM, uniform changes (name tags on BDUs). McPeak’s ideas were wrong for the AF but there was always a sense of pride in the mission; at least at my levels in the enlisted ranks. I hope the troops get it (pride) back and their Commanders can foster it for them through their leadership. Yes, bring back SAC and keep space, cyber, transportation, and all the other career fields out of it. Stay strong troops and believe in what you are doing. Take pride in the fact that you are doing the most important mission in the US military.

Don’t forget SAC’s non-published moto. “Peace is our profession, but War is our hobby!” Just another old B52/KC135 mechanic weighing in.

It is troubling to hear the problems that the Air Force is having. SAC is not necessary in the capacity that it had in the past, but a command dedicated to the care and possibly deployment of our nuclear assets is. TAC while needing better coordination with the Army should always be an Air Force function because control of the skys is more that supporting the ground. The Air Force is important. DensityDuck and others like-minded people just don’t understand.

Defense Secretary James Schlesinger seems wildly optimistic to me. His estimate of restoring confidence is six months to a year?!
It will take that long just to find the leadership required to assess what needs to be done and come up with a plan to execute. To gain positive control of our nuclear force, it will take years of diligent work–not months.

I was a member of SAC during Secratary James Schlesinger aand in the time of President Nixon’s “just and honoriable peace”. I have little confidence in the former SOD opinion.

In conversations with current members of today’s Stratagic Command via personal e-mail and while home on leave I am appauled by the present state of militray moral of USAF personal within the command. I’m not so sure the problems lie in the current mission assigment and command structure. I question the quality and judgement of higher command today. There is no excuse for a fall in moral this glaring nor the obvious lick of motivation that follows. The USAF I have know has always been an all volunteer force, so what gives with these unexcusiable command failure? The USAF remains a uniform militray force as as such should be preforming the most minor of duites in a “can do will do” proper militray manner. Leaders lead by example!

However, I will concure that restoring the USAF’s stratagic nuclear mission to complete and total Air Force Command and Control is a good place to start if if it done in proficent and proper military manner. Looking up at the Billboard by main gate ever morning on the way to duty and seeing the SAC logo “Peace Is Our Profession” so proudly displayed did in fact mean a great deal to this troops military bearing and moral. Never in my USAF carrier did I ever feel more a part of the AF mission than I did when I was a member of SAC. I was proud of the command patch on my chest and my small part in it. Motivation and moral building of the command is a major responsibility of any militray commander and it is past time the USAF got back to basic, particular when you look at the resurgent Russian threat, Chicom’s militray expansion plans, and the remaining axis of evils presuit of WMD. I place the blame for this discusting situation on a groose failure of command within the new Stratgic Command and find it unexcusiable. IMHO.

I am in full support of severing the nukem folks to their own command. The problem is with the system as it is and not with the actual people who day in and day out preform the maintenance. The recent problems lie solely with those who deal with conventional all day long and occasionally interact with the nuclear program. And not with those who work with Nukes all day long.

I remember the pride I had as a young airman assigned to a SAC base. It was a strong command with good people running it. Bring it back. As for the new BDU uniforms very nice! Way better than 1505’s or the greens. Wear BDU’s on base only. Off base class B uniform minimum.

Yes, SAC was tight and the members were so proud to be in it and the guys and girls in MAC, with their big freighters enroute all over the world day and night were all proud to support the whole Air Force mission which in turn supported the entire US. armed forces. Lets get these great organizations back.SAC was in the air 24 hours a day in the B52s. When one of the planes on watch was landing, there was without fail another one lifting off to replace it. Marvellous teamwork.

As a former security policeman handling LE and Security duties during 1974 through 1985, when you were in SAC, you had a mission!!

It was a great mistake to re-organize and do away with Commands. This is the “proof in the pudding.”

I worked in SAC (on occasion), MAC and TAC. They all served welled within their mission parameters. The blending of these commands really muddied up the Air Force. Bring the Commands back!

Regrettably, a misplaced military permutation of that wretched doctrine ‘political correctness’ gradually crept into USAF Command HQ over the past 30 years and far too many changes both in command structure, force fielding, and strategic planning resulted that have combined to produce our present mess. I too was wearing the ‘blue suit’ during the Cold War era and witnessed many of these awkward and ill-advised changes. I strongly concur that McPeak was perhaps the single worst change that USAF suffered. His uniform changing excess remains as one of the most memorably unnecessary highlights of his dubious career at the top. Unfortunate as that all mightg have been, the present reemergence of that uniform fiasco exists in the present attempt to adopt a heritage Class-A retro-styled uniform (the ‘Mitchell’ and ‘Hap Arnold’ styles). Tangentially (speaking of McPeak and uniforms), what USAF needs to do is return to the original 4-button, 4-pocket Class-A blouse adopted in 1947. It was functional, distinctive, and perfectly ’suited’ to the service’s needs. I personally never heard any of my colleagues refer to it as a ‘bus driver’ suit and we all wore it with the pride that SAC engendered in us as an important part of the chief US nuclear deterent force. Frankly, despite all the discussion that has already gone down on the subject of uniforms, there’s still room for more of a colloquy on that subject!

‘Why not Minot? The Freezin’s the reason…’

These screwups with the nukes proves that good ol’ hard chargin’ Curtiss LeMay was right. I was in SAC for a while. You could not move a nuke an inch unless it was signed off by the president, the Queen of England, the King of Sweden, the Pope and God Himself!!! There was also the “two-man” rule to keep f|_|ck-ups away also.

Tony McPeak was a bloody egomaniac who did a huge amount of damage to the Air Force. I don’t know who was the big push to have Bush 41 nominate him as CSAF but if I do find out, I’ll punch him in the chops or pi$$ on his grave. The fact that Tony McPeak is a “military advisor” along with Wes Clark to Barack Osama, I mean Obama, speaks volumes.

BRING BACK SAC!!! LeMay’s spinning in his grave right now.

Where is LeMay when we need him?

GREAT!!! SAC needs to be back.. We have been ‘darn’ lucky nothing worse has happened because of McPeak’s hallucination’s. He fits right in with Obama’s bunch. Pray our nation does the right thing.

“To error is human, to forgive is not SAC policy.”

“A panel of greybeards”…Apparently this Colin Clark guy doesn’t have much respect for our older more experianced citizens…

As a past member of SAC, I can simply say SAC SUCKS. They never cared about any of the personnel that worked to make the mission happen. Most of the time we were treated like dogs by a bunch of lifers who were passed over for promotions and could not figure out why.

I went the regular route to become a B-47 mechanic when I graduated Amarillo I was station in Laughlin AFB,Tex.and worked on T-33.
It got very boring.Then one day the T-birds flew away and we did nothing for some time.Then out of a very blue sky came this aircraft that the tail looked like a t-bird and had the nose of a F-104.It had mean looking fist painted on the side of the nose and thats when know who we were working and that my friend was Gen.Curtis Lamay.The aircraft was none other than a U-2.He was the only one that could stand on that wing and smoke his cigar.When they told us what the mission of course it was weather sqaudron with kodaks the size of milk cans in the lower bay.Instead of mooping around we was walking wit our chest out and just dared the ruskies mess with us.The pride we felt to be able to be in the Stategic Air Command was the greatest feelig you can have.

It’s about time! We Cold Warriors saw the writing on the wall long ago. McPeak was a menace! I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw he was advising Obama on military matters. Advising a presidential candidate on which suit to wear is more in line with McPeak’s skill set.

We complained about the exercises; we griped about the alerts; we complained about going DNIF and having to go to the hospital for a case of the sniffles. But we were disciplined, serious and damn proud of our mission. Those bombers were OUR bombers and those missiles were OUR missiles.

I just cannot fathom a situation where an entire stick of nuke birds would leave a base and sit on the ramp at another for THREE DAYS without being noticed back then. Hell, they wouldn’t even make it out to the flight line!

I sincerely hope and pray the current and future military leadership seeks out us “old farts” to train these rookies.

I was in the USAF during the SAC changeover. I was asssigned to MAC but I went to a SAC base(Fairchild) for some training in 1992. I wasn’t used to the strict discipline and mindset(and even had a small run with a SAC CMSGT at the base hospital!)

Initially, my view of SAC was that they had the mindset that the Air Force worked for them(as opposed to the other way). At that time I thought they were jerks and a*&^%les.

Thinking back, I can now say that I was very impressed by their professionalism, dedication to duty and even strong adherence to basic concepts of morality. This concept was clearly demonstrated even down to the A1C! They helped me mature quickly and have made a positive contribution to my life. I even try to follow these same principals to this day!

My husband and I both were in SAC back in the ’70’s and we were very disappointed in its dissolution. We had great pride in our work, in those we worked with and those in charge. Our son is part of security forces now and we’d like to see SAC back, bigger and stronger.

My first assignment in the Air Force was with SAC in a Security Police Flt. and the protection of the priority resources was such an awesome responsibility.
Being a member in SAC was a prestigious honor and everyone had a certain pride about them and the important work we had to do. We all knew that keeping all the aircraft at a constant mission alert status was our country’s best effort for nuclear deterrence and global peace. Doing away with SAC in the first place was a bad idea, and the fact that it took 15 years to think about bringing it back is long over due. Out of all the publicly know mishaps that have happened with our nuclear resources in the past years, how many more have occurred that we do not know about. It’s time to take back stringent control of our nations most powerful weapons for security sake.

I worked on Minuteman III missiles at F.E. Warren AFB in the mid-late 80s, and I can tell you, for all of SACs faults they at least had their nuke policies down. I think I had more training than actual maintenance time. A major nuke screw up was unimagineable; more importantly, UNACCEPTABLE. You couldn’t do ANYTHING without being trained, re-trained, signed off by fifty different officers and ncos, signed over your first born (he’s 17 now and I think they still have him)

Recent events show lack of proper policies, poor training and a need for disciplinary procedures like “the good old days” Why should my generation be the only one to suffer?

I had the good fortune in my USAF career of having served as a Security Police Officer at an ICBM base, SAC warrior as a B52 pilot, FAC warrior in TAC (O-2s, A-37s, OV-10s and A-4s on USMC exchange) and finally as an AWACer in TAC.Question: You’re in a room with Hitler, Stalin and McPeak and have a revolver with 2 bullets — what do you do? Answer: Shoot McPeak twice.

SAC was full of pride, professionalism, discipline, camaraderie . . . and SO much more!!! Though a civilian, I worked at SAC HQ for nearly 40 years and loved almost every minute of it!! It was my pleasure to escort a wide variety of wonderful Air Force(also Army, Navy and Marine) and Civilian leaders, both from within the U.S. and outside of the U.S. It was great to work with all the Airmen in SAC, filled with dedication, hard work, intelligence and SO much more. One person stated above our “inside” motto of the Strategic Air Command. I was with our revered and beloved General Russell E. Dougherty when he was escorting a visitor and when they looked up at our motto, that high-ranking DOD visitor (whose identity escapes me) said ” Peace may be your Profession” but war dam well better be your business! This country needs this kind of a command again. I certainly hope they look to our SAC people who have so much important knowledge within them to share with the people establishing the new Air Force Strategic Command . . . if it comes to fruition! And I certainly hope it does.

I whole heartily agree with with Jim. My brother worked on the Minueman back in the 70’s and was shocked when the Clinton Administrtion sacked ‘SAC’. I worked in TAC and with Nukes in USAFE in the 80’s, but the people in SAC were some of our best. I can’t imagine the past Commanders of SAC being impressed by the latest screw-ups. There is absolutely no excuses for it. My son is serving today and he says the moral is in the dump and there’s very little pride in their work these days. He’s disappointed and has asked me if I experienced the same problems with security and moral,,,,which I didn’t! We can only hope that SAC comes back and moral lifts for those serving in the Blue.

As a former SAC member at Ellsworth AFB in the 60s I can say that I was very proud of serving in SAC. I wonder if we don’t need a few B-52s and B-1Bs sitting on the alert pads again loaded for bear. It seems odd to drive by the base (EAFB) and not see the tall tails of the D models on the pad. I also was familiar with the 2 man rule on the pad when we were working on our electronic warfare systems in all kinds of weather. I add my vote to bring back some sort of SAC.

After 36 years of working for Uncle Sam (Four in the USAF with B-58’s, Oh yes a Real SAC outfit)I believe the Air Force will have a Strategic Air Command again. We just need the right President in office that understands the significance of power when attempting to diplomatically settle a world crisis.

In reading about the various nuclear incidents over the last months, I have been more and more disgusted with the current attitude of our government. It is no surprise (or shouldn’t be) that the russians are on the move, since we don’t have any interest in resisting them. It was called “containment”, remember? And it worked.
The cold war ended because we stared them down from the barrel of a loaded nuke for 50 years. I was there, too, in SAC, stationed at Mather and going tdy all over the world. That wasn’t primarily training, you know; it was shoving the gun in their face and saying, “try it and die”. The soviets had us under surveillance 24/7, and we let them watch us practice their destruction.
Thus, we won: they knew they would lose, and they went broke trying to keep up their guard. Our mistake is in letting down our guard when the bad guys still are locked and loaded with nukes. We beat the bad guys, but we let them live, and they’re back. Like it or not, its “cold war II”.
Stop the denial, and get to it. There are a whole lot of us old cold-warriors that would suit up–and still have the ‘nads for it. We are the world’s only superpower. Lets start acting like it!
PS–amen to the original 4-button USAF blues with real pockets. They look like an AIRMAN’s uniform, not a leisure suit. (McPeak is right where he belongs, on the “other” side…) Oh, and while I’m at it, somebody force the Army to get rid of those worthless berets and go back to the traditional covers…they look like french pansies in those baggy pants and berets…

If there any old B-52 crewchiefs out there just think of taking a Buf from the ramp up to the pad. After about 12 hrs. of Inspections, servicing, changing the fuel load, and ringing out the sys. you were ready for the nukes. As soon as they were brought out the world as you knew it changed. Tell me, how could one of those birds took off and landed at another base?
The earth would have run into Pluto before that could have happened. Bring back SAC even with the dreaded ORI. Respect and our credibilaty as a super power will be back again. Peace thru Strength our motto.

I agree with the above comments that SAC should return. 3 1/2 yrs of my first term were with SAC. Forbes AFB then Greenham Common. The work was hard and the many alerts were always scary, you didn’t know if they were real or not, especially when you knew the bad guys had your base targeted. And yet you knew that to be in SAC someone had to recommend you. The discipline was there, but only if you screwed up. The rest of my career in ADC & AFCS were memorable, but SAC was the best. And we were all scared of Lt Gen “Whip” Wilson.

You can create/revive as many commands as you like… the issue will still exist. The only way to fix our nuclear force is to build our manpower appropriately. This applies to the Air Force as a whole… We are so saddled with extra duties now days (doing more with less, etc.), my “full-time” job gets treated as an additional duty 90% of the time.

I never had the honor of working in SAC, but I was in USAFE, MAC, and TAC during the Cold War. It was truly sad to see good people let go because they “weren’t needed”. Bring back the functional commands and let them DO THEIR JOBS! No one in their right minds messed with us then, and those that did found out the cost, usually for a very short period (until they quit breathing!) I agree, McPeak was a mistake, and indeed, started a downward slide. We have a chance to fix this now, America, let’s get it right! Remember, “Obama/Osama, the only difference is the BS!”

westover,biggs,seymour johnson,march afb.b-52s loaded
crew on board ,tgts assigned ready to go at a moments notice,
russies disolved themselves because of ther nowledge of sacs,
dedication and ability. you better be proud of your self and
your mission. no excuse of any foulup of classified info,or
weapons mistakes,bring it back and make the air force proud
of itself.no one is to blame,all were part of its demise

S.A.C. will never die let the world know.

I wonder if The Pink Palace @ Lackland will be re-ginned to handle all the new SAC’rs? Or I mean, all of us “Roadrunnners” how about the “Starlight” club?
I pulled gaurd duty at the Palace one night in basic 1974, now, after disabled retired from the Army (1983-1987, just before Bieruit lost 237 Marina(re-tread, & Armor to boot 3AD, 2/32AR ‘The Rock” Kirchgoens, W. Germany, gunner on the M60A3 & transitiioned in JAN86 to the M1IP);;;; every bunk in the place was FULL.
Each man has his own hangup on the hangups and then freezes.

I loved my job. I Loved my re-tread service, as well. I Have no doubt in the mere Desire of a true blue airman or soldier, to lay down his life for another.
By the way, Has anyone gottten any invites to the Chanute Reunion Organization? Its from the flyboys which represent the air base there.
Just wondering why I was hand picked.

I think the new SAC wings comming along BETTER get out the LOI’s and T.O’s on How To Command BEFORE any of the blue hairs at the great round table of Brass and the black coats, can Imagine the RESPECT and SACRIFICE those of us Minuteman II “Roadrunners’ of the 351st, Whiteman AFB, MO 1974-1978 doing portal to portal’s at times, and the days in the field, living in LCF’s……. They Better ask us, First How To Do A Job RIGHT The First Time.

Team Crest of us Roadrunners of MMT Whiteman 1974-1978:
As the 2 skinny vultures in the Dead tree always said overlooking any one of the 50 LF’s of Whiteman, AFB: “Wait Hell-Iam Going to Kill Something”

Its time to start getting on that simulater alot more our banks cannot take it anymore!And how are we gonna pay for gas to get to our work. laptop at home!

The problems USAF-wide would be solved for the most part if the job training programs, tests/evaluations and inspections (e.g. Offices of Inspector General) were actually used and functioned as designed.

The only problem I can see with this is that our bomber fleet is currently engaged in fighting a conventional war. Trying to make it all SAC again would seriously take away from the new war fighting capabilities of the aircraft. Removing them from the war to designate them for nuclear only missions under a Strategic Air Command would undermine our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Why am I not surprised that the AF has screwed it up again ?
Too many of the Wild Blue Wonderful crowd forget they are in the MILITARY, and believe it is the country club instead.
They sacrifice GOOD personnel on frivilous jobs, then will not promote them beacuse they haven’t covered the right numbers ~ Officer AND enlisted. So many GREAT folks and so much money & time wasted on theing the Navy could have done in half the time, at half the cost and with 2/3 the personnel. (Early Warning Barrier, for example, in the 50’s), and so many others.
They have ALWAYS had the WRITE ME A CHECK & I’LL SEE WHATI CAN DO, mentality.

Big echos to all the comments applauding the rebirth of SAC. I was an old SAC Cop from SAC Dual Wing bases… I even served a tour at SAC HQ We all knew the dissolution of SAC was a mistake. Better late than never!

Here’s a thought…lets dump all of the leadership that are only worried about their next promotion (only about 99% of the total), and put those in charge that have actually pulled an alert, or know how to spell missile. A former Wing Commander at Minot once bragged that she had more alerts than any of us, no, not missile alerts…AWACS ALERTS!!! She was much more concerned about curtains matching couches in the MAFs, than any of the equipment in the LCC…and the reason I am no longer in the AF is because of the aforementioned, brain-dead leadership that will gladly put their no-nothing lackeys in key positions, and continue to knife those that truly understand COMMAND AND CONTROL. I can count on two hands, the best Officers and Missileers I have ever seen in my life, that were driven out because of these clods…Bring SAC back? Give me a HELL YEAH!!!

Our force is not disfunctional because we renamed or restructured the major commands. It is broken because the AF has never acknowledged that the fighter era is truly dead. We promoted officers into key leadership positions who do not understand (and therefore cannot manage) the type of strategic, mobility and special operations being conducted today because they do not have the background required to do so. Hopefully the appointment of Gen. Norton A. Schwartz as the new CSAF is sign that the AF has understood this and is committed to promoting officers with the skill sets required to lead the AF into a new era…the Era of Strategic Mobility.

We all knew it would be back. For the sake of tradition I hope they make the Mighty Eigth the lone numbered AF in charge of bombers and transfer all other responsibilities it now has to the numbered AF it is talking about making new (or re-activate as the case may be), Gen LeMay may be able to rest at ease for a change.

WOW, it’s about time. I remeber mcpeak and his BS antics over the uniform. It’s obvious in his decion in dissolving one of the most professional, effective and honorable fighting forces in history. I agree with others, when we thought the evolution would happen in 15-25 years and it seems to have happened by the forced erosion of confidence, commitment and skill in the AF. I shame those officers and Chiefs who went along with the BS and applaud those with the backbone who stood up to the newer, friendlier skies protocol I had to serve with. I hope this new command (if it happens) is staffed by men like H.H. Arnold and C. LeMay. Those were leaders who understood the concequences of inaction and truely did not care about “the right career path for themselves” with so much on the line. I serve with all types now and truely I cant think of any officer I want to go to war with. Give me one with an original thought and I’ll show you a 20 year CPT!!!

Sorry folks, but during my time in SAC, I found that since everything was a priority, nothing was a priority. Lengths of haircuts were pursued with the same energy as nuclear surety. Missileers couldn’t receive proper medical treatment because they would loose their PRP. Titan II silos were held together by layer upon layer of paint. Commendation Medals were awarded along with Letters of Reprimand for the very same acts. SAC is long over…a new command is needed, but the days of “Doctor Strangelove” have passed.

If the sole purpose is to “restoring a special sense of mission” it’s a good idea. However, the thought that someone’s stoogeing round up there loaded for Bear will not deal a lot of confidence to all the Allies.

Well Jake: Sounds like you still have seperation anziety from your mom. I have been in the AF for 22yrs and my first assignment was to a SAC base and you know what I had great assignment. Yes at times the care and feeding of the lower enlisted ranks was laking in commpassion but catch a clue there were NUKES on the line and you DO NOT play when you work with them. Maybe bringing back SAC will help to fix the problems that we have in the AF like all the bleeding hearts that we have. Yes I think we have some of the smartest personnel in the military but you know they tend to think to much and do to little. (common sense) At least in SAC you new were you stood and the rules were simple no grey area. you do your job and press on screw up and you get hammered and that was understood by all. and the other unoffical LOGO: To err is human to forgive in not SAC policy

All the comments are spot on…I was at SAC HQ when the Butler (aka Gen G. Butler) killed SAC. He assembled ALL the officers, told us how this was great for America and was a “Peace” dividend. Then told us we were all “fired” and had to find new jobs in any of the new commands, but he has his! Talk about braindead. I cringed when all the nukes and bombers went to ACC and they didnt know what the heck a bomber was! What do you mean it has more than 1 or 2 engines. And then sending the Missileers to Fighter pilot heaven, aka Langley. That was a great move too. We all said SAC would be back! Too bad it took a series of unfortunate events to get everyone to finally see what a travesty they created. Now we have to get US STRATEGIC COMMAND to give back the emblem they stole.

I was assigned to a SAC base as my first duty assignment in the mid 80’s and I can say that it was run like a well oiled machine. Rules their were strict, but you knew things were being done correctly. I’m glad to hear that SAC is coming back, because before I retired I could see how the Air Force was getting worse and not better. I hope that these changes will instill pride and dedication back into our troops defending this great nation.

The reformation of higher command cannot come close to solving the problems (or supposed problems) that led to the somewhat recent incidents in the community. The biggest issue to tackle at the moment is the dilution of the dedicated personnel, that are extensively trained from day 1, to maintain and handle our nations most guarded assets. The “do more with less” attitude, that has been adopted by the AF over the past 10 years, has greatly impacted the required focus needed to control a nuclear mission. Look closely at the key personnel involved in the mishaps we are speaking of and pay close attention to their AFSC. Allot of lower level responsibilities (handling, C2) in the nuclear community have been farmed off to persons of non-nuclear specialties. The enlisted nuclear community has been whittled down to a very small family. The written policy by which we conduct ourselves is actually 10 times more stringent than it was just 5 years ago. Higher level policy or command realignment will not fix what is broken on the ground level. Dual capable missions (conventional/Nuc) have yet to focus on this big pink elephant in the room. These two missions need to be absolutely separate…no questions or blurring of lines…separate.

When Tony McPeak dissolved SAC as the AF Chief of Staff he also made alot of other stupid decession which have been reversed. This is just another example of his short sightedness. Now he is one of Obama’s advisors; another example of critial thinking gone bad.

It was a sad day, the day SAC was put to rest. Now, wiser men see the need for the type of people we had in the most awesome force in history. It warms my heart to se all the above blogs in support of getting back to discipline and basics. SAC was the better part of my life for almost 21 years mainly KC-135A and B-52H maintenance. We looked at SAC like we looked at America, love it or leave it. Today just happens to be the 40th anniversery of my enlistment, what a wonderful present to get SAC back. PEACE will still be her profession.

Bring SAC back, same name and emblem. SAC warrior from 91-94 @ Malmstorm AFB, MT.

Get-R-Done !!

Wanna know why the AF is in so much trouble? Well, it’s not one thing, but a bunch of them namely:
- TQM… what a disaster. An assault on discipline
- Political Correctness… We focused on not offending anyone rather than telling people they were not doing the right thing regardless on who they were.
- Age of the “enlightened Wing Commander”… aligned with TQM, this allowed Wg CCs to dictate convienence over necessity so as not to upset people who wanted to whine. Wg CCs made the rule WITHOUT any oversight from Higher HQ. Not good.
- Age of “accountability”… aligned with TQM, enlightened Wg CC, and the result of the Kobhar Investigation. This change in philosophy almost demanded that squadron and group commanders make ALL decisions even those routinely made by NCOs. This created a new NCO corps that don’t know how to make decisions. Probably this area was most damaging to our NCO corps and the AF.
- Carrer-ist officers: yes, we’ve always had them, but they’ve become more prevalent in the last 15 years. The officers are more concerned about their career than doing the “right thing” to include supporting their NCOs and Airmen. Further, this “disease” has began to inflict our senior NCO corps.

How to bring our Nuke mission back in line? Bring back SAC and everything it stood for!!!!
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Why aren’t there alert birds now? Seems to me now is when they are needed. What about the Old Idea of interceptors on the borders? I know the Russians need practice flying, but shouldn’t someone be watchin them? And TACs job was a bit more than ground support. The leadership of the military needs to start thinking globaly. There is more to the world than Iraq and Afganistan. And why aren’t there alert birds again? SAC is needed, its called common sense

I was in SAC in the 1950’s under General LeMay. What a great running outfit that was. We sure do need another General LeMay type running SAC again.

I worked on miisiles for 22 years, when SAC went away things started to crumble. We can not afford a mistake with Nuclear Weapons. The AF now is all about fighters, errors are accepted and expected there. When I left the USAF 10 years ago things were going to pot. I can only imagine what it is like now.

I wonder if the ALCM Bridge at Barksdale ever got fixed? There’s an accident waiting to happen.

Well…well…well. Some of the old SAC-o’fites like myself, knew this would happen sooner or later. Get the mothballs off the old Checklist!!! The standard of excellence, no matter how you slice it, was lost when they dissolved SAC! No matter how much we grumbled, we knew we could “roll hard, roll fast, and not miss a beat.” Eating, sleeping, and talking SAC assured that standard of excellence prevailed, even when we thought it wouldn’t. But taking only six months to get it done is fool-hearty! It will take longer to bring it back. Why? Because none of the old troops are there that remembers what SAC was all about. Nothing but “baby soldiers” are left and they can’t and won’t get it done!

As a 24 year Nuke Puke, it was not the uniforms or the name of the Command. It was the Regulations. Now, there’s just Instructions. It’s like George Carlin’s view if baseball: Everywhere you go it’s different, there are no rules, no penalties. If you make a mistake, it’s just an error. There is no accountibility for materials, procedures, or people. And people - the numbers kept getting cut while the jobs got more complex. Munitions need rules and regulations along with dedicated Munitions Officers that aren’t trying to impress the Commanders.

I retired from the SAC crew force in 1989. Since then the Air Force seems to have lost much of its respect for cooperative enterprise, becoming more and more elitist as time went by. The very idea of spreading the responsibiity for nuclear operations to multiple commands was ludicrous to begin with. Now the Air Force is the laughing stock of the free world. Bring back SAC and mold some pride from the smoldering ashes.

I too was a SAC one, from MM I, MM II, MM III, Peacekeeper and GLCM. Been retired since 94, and does any of this lack of moral/motivation, lack of leadership really surprise any of you that were in at that time and saw what were were letting into the ranks at that time, not all but a hella lot of snot nosed, suck up little brats!!!! I agree with 98 % of the threads posted here IT ALL STARTED AT THE TOP!!!!

I am currently working in the missile community and have be for almost 19 years. I can say that most of us have taken pride in what we do, and value it everyday. I cannot count the number of times that we have been working in the missile field and been forced to come home after a 16 hour day. There are two issues that I see that caused this current crises, the first is the manning drawdown in the missile community and AF wide, while still expecting to perform the same mission, and the lack of emphasis on storage/shipping of nuclear weapons/ components. But one thing I can assure you is from a maintenance aspect, we are just as dedicated and commited as we ever were.

I have been following the commments with great interest. Many of the comments have much merit and shed some historical light on how we got in this position. While I did spend over 12 years in SAC and served in AFSPC, the problem and fix is NOT with changing the name. Adding another command may very well be an appropriate thing to do, based on a changing mission.

The problem is the leadership from two levels, the TOP and the front line supervisor. Leadership has become lax and replaced common sense, good judgment and military discipline with complacency and ill-advised supervisor-subordinate relationships. The attitude, professionalism, and work ethic are a direct reflection of the expectations and follow-through from the leadership. The problems the Air Force has seen over the last couple of years is a reflection of that complacent leadership. Leaders —lead, followers—follow. If the subordinates, were complacent, and obviously they were, the leadership and immediate supervisors created that complacent environment by their actions or inactions resulting in critical errors. Their removal was appropriate and designed to send a message. Some just didn’t get the message!

The Air Force has created exactly what we told them that they would create many years ago, a hollow force structure, by troop cuts through by VSI/SSB, early outs and targeting middle rank structures. The Air Force has been cut too deep in manpower and taken away their experiece. It is no wonder we are seeing these kinds of problems now, just as predicted. This can only be changed by congress approval and increasing the budget.

The bottom line is if you bring back the old SAC leadership philosophy, the professionalism, and the military discipline, you bring back the pride, espri de corps, and work ethic of a bygone era. Problems are less likely to occur! BRING BACK THE 1505s AND COMBINATION 4A

As an old SAC Warrior who as an Airman stood watch on alert B-52s, I have to say Yippee. I joined the Air Force in 1979 and now am a member of the National Guard. With a little more than 29 years of military service I have to say this is the best news I’ve heard in a long time. Not only do we need to go back to the old Commands but the old Regulations. It is my humble opinion that 90 percent of the problems the Air Force has today are created by the meager Instructions the we operate off of today. Regulations were directive in nature giving us absolutes to work with and little room to circumvent the system, however today leadership slips, slides, completes a nifty u-turn and maybe, just maybe, skirts the Instructions that are supposed to guide us in or duties. I have never seen anything be successful with such garbage as the foundation of an organization. Bring back SAC, TAC and MAC. Bring back regulations. Bring back the Air Force that has helped keep this country free. Again, just my opinion.

I served in SAC with pride for 22 years of my 27 year career. A weapons mechanic on B-52s C,D,E,F & G. Don’t see that pride around today. America needs SAC and the mighty 8th Air Force more then ever today.

McPeak was the guy who declared “the year of training” then abolished the education/training career field…enough said.

I was a 43151E and F at Kincheloe AFB Mi. from 1966-1968 in bomber team 5 of the 449th OMS.
SAC was my first duty station and I was impressed with their attitude compared to members of ADC and TAC at Kincheloe . I had some “personality” conflicts with some of the older NCO’s and I put in for transfer as soon as I was eligible.
I still look back with pride having being a SAC member and when I was transfered to a MAC/AWS squadron in Japan I saw another side of the USAF.
Bring SAC back and give some pride to being a member of the USAF.

SAC was tight in the 50’s & 60′S.especiallyt APs

as a member You could hold your head up and be PROUD. I retired in 1978 and am very disappointed on how the AF has gone. BRING SAC BACK and lets all be proud again

I totally agree with the Mobility Warrior!!! Changing a command name does nothing to fix the problem. No matter what command you are in the same rules apply to handling special weapons. Above comments mention officers not feeling important because they are not involved in space operations. If you do your job you will get the recognition you deserve. A name change is going to make these people who are not following the rules to do start doing the right thing? From what I read above each command has their own levels of discipline… that is crazy!! In my 25.5 years of prior service and assigned to multiple commands the same rules applied. No matter what command you were with the same mentality was there. By saying Space Command does not enforce standards or discipline is a problem. To me this is individual responsibility as members of the Air Force not a command name change!

My first assignment (1982) was a SAC base, Carswell AFB, Tx., home of the B-52. Back then you knew what to do, why you were doing it and did it to the best of your ability or you were gone. It was called being…SACcumcised. Spending most of my career around “Things that go Boom” I can’t fathom how nukes traveled unnoticed and I’m LE. As far as McPeak, he was and is absolutely the worst AF Chief of Staff ever…if he’s an Obama advisor I may have to rethink my vote…not that I have much faith in Palin being a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Perhaps it is time for a return to the SAC standards where if you made a mistake you had to suffer the consequences. This was true from the Wind Commander to the lowest airman. If the Wind lost an airplane the commander and probably the DO were gone the next day. Now days I know of a three star that lost two airplanes while a Wind Commander and still got promoted. Where is the old acceptance of responsibility. The old system didn’t start by punishing the lowest man on the totam pole but with the highest. lI was a B-52 crew member.

THE LATEST PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW CYBER COMMAND
HAS THE OLD SAC SHIELD….I REALLY THINK THAT
CYBER COMMAND SHOULD RETAIN THE AFCS, AFCC,
& AFCA SHIELD SHOULD BE RETAINED FOR THE
CYBER COMMAND. JUST LIKE SPLITTING UP SAC
I THINK SPLITTING OFF COMMUNICATIONS WAS A
MAJOR SCREW UP. AND AS TO RIC’s COMMENT IT’S
ALSO OUT THERE IN THE CIVILIAN ORGANIZATIONS.
AND MOBILITY WARRIOR IS CORRECT.

AS ONE OLD MASTER SARGENT ONCE SAID…THE
GUYS WHO GET PROMOTED ARE AT THE NCO CLUB.
ALMOST SAD…EXCEPT SOME OF THOSE ALCOHOLICS
UNFORTUNATELY MADE BETTER SENSE THEN SOME
T-TOTALERS.

Get rid of the quality crap and go back to SAC,TAC, & MAC. Everybody knew what their job was. Bring back no notice IG’s. I will always remember the yellow SAC sups to AF regulations where EVERYTHING was spelled out. Why did we go to AF Instructions? It was very simple and direct before. AFR’s and AFM’s. I was even in the DMSP sattelite program UNDER SAC and had great pride being a SAC warrior. After 20 years in the military I did 20 as a civilian in Services where Missile and Bomb Wing CC’s were more concerned about the color of china in the club than operations.

Congratulations to Gen Schwartz,former Sec
of Defense Schlessinger and other participating
members of this study group.
As a former SAC, Support Staff, Senior Officer,
I TOTALLY agree, we need to reinstill the true
Professionalism, SAC gave to our Air Force
tradition. I know Gen Curtis LeMAY would be proud to know of this proposal. If we can only
get our DO NOTHING CONGRESS OFF OF THEIR
ASSES, maybe this program will succeed.

I am all for the brining back of SAC, but I wonder how AF leadership is going to deal with the overall larger problem of…well…themselves. When I was on missile crew it was evident that no one mattered but leadership, now that I am in space it is that more evident. So what I want to know is when will leadership stops admiring their own careers so that the rest of us can do what we joined the Air Force for, protect and defend the US.

No matter what changes are made those responsible for the Nuke mission need to open there eyes to the fact they own the most deadly weapon system in our inventory. The comments about promotion and glamor, are a bigger issue than what command they belong to. Troops these days are more worried about promotion then the job. Which tells me they are not getting promoted for doing the job they are assigned. Getting rid of SAC was a mistake, hardcore SAC warriors had the bragging rights from doing the job, these day the focus has shifted to the Air Force doing Army jobs in the AOR, and the Army whining about wanting to have the UAV’s. If you made rank in SAC it meant something. The way we work nukes had not changed much since SAC died, but the quility of the work force has. Place more focus on the people, give incentives where deserved, and drop the hammer on those who dont cut it, and the job will get done. What ever you re-name it, it will take some old school ways to get it back into shape, and that went out the door a long time ago.

Mc Geek caused a lot of problems in the Air Force.
His views, were and are not Viable. Thank you Secretary Bates, for seeing thru the crap being taught at the academy. PC doesn’t work either.

I, too, remember the madness that was McPeak! When he and he alone decided that the T-41 was an obsolete airplane to screen pilot candidates, and that a screening airplane with aerobatic capabilities was required, the only airplane that met HIS requirement was a modified version of a English homebuilt–the Slingsby Firefly. Now, there was nothing wrong with the T-41. In fact, one study showed with over 95% reliability that you could predict the outcome of a pilot candidate’s chance for success in Undergraduate Pilot Training, even to the type of pilot he would become–95%! There are now no more Slingsby Fireflies! And 6 or 8 good pilots are dead thanks to this megalomaniac’s inflated ego and delusions of his own self importance! The Air Force is STILL suffering the repercussions this one man’s tenure at the helm!

I remember arriving at my first assignment at DM AFB and seeing the SAC Sheild with PRIDE on it - Professional Results In Daily Effort and it stuck with me. I spent a total of 14 years of my 20 on SAC bases and always felt everyone had more pride, professionalism, discipline, camaraderie in their daily work and personal choices outside of work. Even today - after 42 years - I put PRIDE in my daily living and continue to look for ways to help those in need.

In the last 15 years, the Air Force has seen changes like never before. We have drawn down from about 700,000 to 330,000, yet we do more with less everyday. I have been part of the Air Force for 30 years and tried to let them know 15 years ago that cutting the core will lead to disaster.
People who spoke up were asked to leave since we couldn’t have a naysayer in the team. Also, anyone who ever got in trouble in their career needs to leave because they didn’t want that element in their new Air Force. So what was left were a bunch of people who flew under the radar and don’t want to make waves teach the masses to not rock the boat or make waves and just worry about their own career. Forget about your troops.
Another popular trademark was to belittle or chastise you for speaking up and accusing you of not being a team player but a whinner. Just make due with what you have and shut up.
Well, that’s what we have now and it will take about 10 years to breed out of the Air Force. Remember when the Navy plane was forced down in China a few years ago? When our people came home we gave them medals. If that were to happen in 1981, we would have court-martialed them for not putting the plane in the sea to protect our classified; or to crash it into their headquarters building at the landing strip to make a point that we will not give you our technology freely.
So in the 90’s, we got rid of SAC, TAC, MAC and became politically correct and hold hands and sing around the camp fire. We have taught our troops to speak out if they have their feelings hurt or they think their supervisor is being unfair. I don’t want to send wave after wave of our people into danger and not raise the B.S. flag but there is a place for that. When leadership speaks, troops listen. The whole Minot issue happened because 25 people are doing the job that was designed for 100, but we don’t have the people. The last few years, we just make do with what we have. We are just plugging holes because we don’t have the people. We are under manned and under funded but no one wants to hear that. Again, we are whinning and we need to get back to work. The reason things worked in the past is because we had rules and they were followed to the letter. Now we have instructions to help guide you into a decision that will make you feel good about yourself. GET A GRIP!! One last thing, 25 years ago if a SAC squadron went below 90%, the commander was in front of the wing commander getting fired. Now, if you fall below 60%, you get a medal because you made due with what you had.. So now you wonder where the problem is.

SAC Spirit is back…

“PEACE IS OUR PROFESSION”

This is the best news I have read for years…

During the Cold War, having been assigned to the JSTPS (SACEUR Rep–1966/1969) at Offutt AFB, Nebraska; I have noticed how much SAC was a “Proud Professional Command” … Sentiment I did not recover on my 2006 visit to Bldg 500 (Curtis LeMay) at STRATEGIC COMMAND!

Greetings to all of you SAC retirees,

CWO Retired - Belgian AF (USAF/ Foreign Military)

One of the biggest problems is the the Navy/USMC had a hand in 2/3s of the Triad. They are as greedy as any other service and never unstood the land based bomber missile programs. As a matter of fact the Jarhead in charge of the command was promoted just after the Minot issue, and he had major responsibilties.

The next is the fighter jock mentality that over took the USAF. If you cold not strap yourself to it and go X4 the speed of sound it was not for them.

It is time to bring back SAC period

SAC is back!! Gen Lemay might just be breathing a sigh of reliefe from the grave.

Or, a sigh of relief meant to say….

Jay, I agree with you 100%. I spent 22 out of 26 yrs in SAC..

As a former SAC missile crew member in the 1960s, I was shocked at the careless handling of nuclear weapons and prevasive lack of seriousness in the strategic mission displayed by the current regime running the USAF. Prevailing over the Iraqi air force in Desert Storm and the “shock and awe” displayed during Operation Iraqi Freedom were technical wonders, but technology needs to be linked to a serious sense of professionalism. The fighter jocks have been running the Air Force since the end of the Viet Nam war, maybe they now need some adult supervision. McPeak is not the answer to the problem. He is a part of the problem.

Aim Higher!

Keeping cyber command separate from the nuclear command structure appears logical. Perhaps a return to strategic long range patrols to NATO airspace and ASEAN airspace with “classified” armaments on board would restore confidence. One of the ironies of the B-2, its kind of difficult to use a low observable for a show of force.:) But, hey let a B-2 crew do whatever they do for Air Traffic Radar when they want to bee seen. Nothing like strategic distance patrols to make yourself known.

It is my humble opinion that all of these remarks have merit. The prevailing theme is change for egos sake, neither to the benefit of the service nor the country it serves. During my 22 yrs as enlisted and a senior AF officer, there was never any delight in welcoming the new primadonna. It typically interrupted operations and maintenance, resulting in great leaps in progress such as painting everything Creech Brown, paying special attention to saluting passing staff cars, and mandatory o’club membership. To keep this rant under control, egos farked with a perfectly good force structure and here we are.

Look SAC, TAC and MAC were all great organizations in their day I do not disagree that many of their ways of handling operations should be brought back but the issues of the Nuke mishandling is not just an issue of some idiot not doing their job or of SAC being taken away. I grew up in TAC, PACAF, USAFE and now intel and I didn’t like McPeak either.

Unfortunately today because the Army does not have enough personnel to do their own mission the Air Force and the Navy have been hamstrung with doing convoy Ops and ground combat type missions. These are not their core competencies, each service has their own job to do and we need to make sure each service has enough folks to do it.

Another issue, because of technology and computers systems we can do many missions from home station, besides the lives that are taken out of harms way, we have a smaller footprint in the AOR however because we have many micromanaging officers that think they must be able to put their hands on every person we end up sending many more people down range than are reasonably needed. If you really want to help the services make congress fund the personnel authorizations to do it. This way each service has enough people to concentrate on their own core competency instead of another service. This way we ensure people become experts in their jobs and we don’t have the screw ups we have been suffering as of late.

Another item when people talk about UAV ops please understand what you are talking about. There is more to it than just pointing out a bad guy on the ground. There are many intelligence, Surveillance and reconnaissance applications beyond just full motion video. Also there are anywhere from ten to twenty people involved in any one predator mission depending on what package the bird carries, it is not just a pilot and sensor operator. Once again this is another mission that the Army is not set up to take on.

Also I am not a fan of the fighter career field but if you pay attention to the international news sometime you will see that the fighter era is not quite dead yet, we still have a few enemies out there that can fly very well and have the latest generation aircraft to prove it.

Obviously this is all my own opinion and not necessarily that of our leadership.

Hindsight is always 20/20 vision. I am an Army dude - 32 years of service. And am not familiar with the details of Air Force organization or mission. I can say that 15 or so years ago when some of these changes took place, the entire military structure was urged to take advantage of the so called ‘peace dividend’ resulting from the fall of the Warshaw Pact. We are now faced with a different reality. Rethinking how our Air Power is organized is important. Attempting to throw Gen McPeak under the buse is ridiculous. Attempting connect Obama is absurd. Sec.Gates is doing an excellent job seeking to give the taxpayers the best M