Big Boys Battle For JLTV Billions

Big Boys Battle For JLTV Billions

With up to $100 billion at stake in an era when defense budgets are probably going to shrink, you can understand why defense industry officials lust after the contracts for the three variants of the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV). Final proposals are due this week with a contract award set for the end of the month. The rubber is about to hit the road with the Army set to award three 27-month technology development contracts.

One interesting tidbit: Army Lt. Gen. Stephen Speakes, Army’s deputy chief of staff for programs, told reporters Wednesday afternoon that JLTV must be able to withstand both IEDs and explosively formed penetrators. Until now, industry and government officials had avoided discussion of explicit protection levels. Most details of protection requirements are classified. Industry officials with each team declined to discuss this, only saying that their vehicles met or exceeded MRAP protection requirements.

Here are the teams competing: Boeing, Textron and SAIC; BAE and Navistar; Northrop Grumman and Oshkosh Truck; Lockheed Martin and Armor Holdings; Blackwater and Raytheon. A lot of the floor space at the AUSA conference this week boasted a variant of the JLTV. All of the JLTV’s variants on display boasted ISR systems that will allow them to joint FCS brigades, as the Army plans for them to do eventually. They also had either the ability to let drivers flip a switch or hit a computer screen for differing terrains and weather conditions.

BAE unveiled its prototype for variant B [pictured above], a rakish looking vehicle with a relatively spacious interior capable of seating seven fully loaded troopers.

Lockheed displayed a very impressive vehicle. During a press briefing, Lockheed officials boasted of the 20,000 miles their JLTV prototype has endured. Troops had clambered in and out of the vehicle with full combat gear, proving their cabin design, they said. The company had declined to use a hybrid engine after extensive analysis, said Katherine Hasse, who leads the company’s JLTV effort. “Our experience with hybrids was that they are not ready for military use yet,” she said, adding that they boost vehicle weight by up to 700 pounds.

An Oshkosh official agrees that hybrids aren’t ready yet. There also are disadvantages to the big hump between the two front seats caused by the GTV vehicle’s transmission. (The Oshkosh official had not seen the Lockheed vehicle.) The”That’s fine if you’re a hurdler,” said Ken Juergens, Oshkosh’s program director for JLTV. The Northrop-Oshkosh team is using a diesel-electric drive system, which eliminates the need for a transmission and conventional drivetrain. Juergens also touted Oshkosh’s experience in building vehicles in different weight classes: Nobody else has gone to different weight classes.”

Congress has concerns about whether the Army can handle all the ground vehicles it plans to buy. In the House report accompanying its version of the 2009 defense authorization bill, the House Armed Services Committee mentioned JLTV twice in separate sections.

“In addition to the thousands of light, medium, and heavy trucks and hundreds of armored security vehicles, the committee is aware the Army would purchase over 12,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles by the end of fiscal year 2008 and almost 2,000 additional Stryker vehicles through fiscal year 2013,” the report noted.

“Concurrently, the Army and the Marine Corps continue to develop the joint light tactical vehicle (JLTV), which would perform many of the same missions that current up-armored high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWV) and MRAP vehicles now perform.” So it calls on the Army to work with the Marines to come up with a long-term strategy and to “consider cost reduction strategies, reliability, and maintainability improvement initiatives.”

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Colin, you left out AM General and General Dynamics in a joint venture as General Tactical Vehicles.

Of course Militor would say that’s a THIRD BAE JLTV entry in addition to BAE/Navistar and LockMart and Armor Holdings (owned by BAE). ;)

Something I’ve been watching closely, and unfortunately, Im a little bit, scratch that, ALOT bothered by how these vehicles are going to defend against IED’s. Unfortunately, nearly 60 to 70% of permanently disabled, and a full 50% percent of the KIA’s from AO’s Afghan and Iraq are IED involved.
How is it going to (specifically, to some degree of common sense, we have to KNOW.) defeat IED, now and in the future? What about when we need to leave (as we are pulling back) in Iraq. And end up in the “Pacific Rim” somewhere, ergo “Vietnam” and we are faced with mud three/four feet deep and IED’s going off from trees above?
Why are they utilizing “tires” on a vehicle thats supposed to be “Hyper Velocity Proof?”
Why not use a three disk/sprocket wheeled track system, it just all so makes so little sense to me.
I know if we handed these to WWII Troopers and the Nazi’s or Japanese were using IED’s, they would make the current variations look, well, quite unseemly < being kind. And you can ask a favorite editor on this here website if thats not so.
To be straight up with people? I’d like to have just one of these vehicles to work on for six months, When I was done with it, I think some Troops may become my friend. After all, its about them, not about your investors and wallstreet or any armed committe whom have (with few exceptions) never fired a rifle….

Standing bye to assist………anytime, anyplace
David Woroner, CEO, SCI

In case you’re interested, here is the USMC web site for JLTV…

http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/peolandsystems/JLTV.aspx

The ONLY way to do this is by having interested parties build 100 vehicles. Deploy the vehicles and the best one wins - according to SOLDIERS. That pack of crooks named as competitors should be vetted by their remarkable failures. One, of the largest, has always believed you win the contract by underbidding then make up the profit by funding continuous changes - perturbing the contract. This will be a great vehicle (not as good as the M 1953 Jeep) but still it will be a great player in FCS. Toss most of the FAR in the circular file and acquire with brains. I have over 35 years experience in acquisition.

Chief warrant Officer (retired)

We really don’t need MRAP or other programs like that. Just send our contractors over there. Boeing, BAE/GE, Raytheon, Lockheed, and Grumman.
They will have Iraq so far in debt, and so corrupted with bribes. Their government will cease
to function. Like ours. Democracy will be replaced
by a form of corporate Quasi nationalism. The moral fabric and culture will crumble. The peoples will and needs will be irrelevant. Their quality of life will be only used for the benefit
of others. So that a person can work hard and sacrifice all their lives. All the time not knowing that they serve interests of people outside their own country. Paying taxes to the order of over 50%. The highest in human history.
Necessitating your wife and yourself to work full time and then some to just survive. While your children grow up with very little input or
encouragement from either. If you have not noticed a marked deterioration of our American culture and lifestyle. Kinda like World War 11
Germany. Krupp and Hanomag, Mauser and Porsche
called the shots. Like Boeing does here now.
MRAP won’t be decided on merit of the vehicle. BUT! based on the companies ability to
beguile the people that write the big checks.
This is another reason why some real clowns with certain propensities end up staying in office. They can be owned. I worked at Lockheed for a while. Some women were employed there. Any type for any customer. Very nice in most all ways. Hostesses of sorts. They walked like stork Goddesses. And carried brief cases. I don’t think they had any pencils inside their cases. Charming even from a distance. I am sure their contributions to Lockheed were invaluable.
Better designs exist. Unfortunately they get buried. And the solders never catch wind of them. The contractors do compete. Designs do carry some weight discussion wise. Like the Stryker. That’s a fantastic vehicle. Everyone loves Strykers. We can just destroy all the values and ethics and integrity of the leaders of Iraq. Like we did in the U.S.A.. IKE was right! Even to the point of borrowing money from the Chicoms to pay our bills. And buy our weapons. Our mortgages. Burn in Hell BAE!
Oh. Hi Cole. How have you been.
Wanna hear how to build a MRAP?

The vehicle you need to look at is

http://www.adi-limited.com/site.asp?page=154

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