FCS, “Transformation” Wrong Path: Top Army Brain

FCS, “Transformation” Wrong Path: Top Army Brain

Two distinct groups are emerging in the Army with quite different views on the nature of future wars the U.S. is likely to fight and the decisions the service should make about future force structure and weapons. The first group is the Title 10 side that urges the Army to embrace the troubled Future Combat Systems program and new operational concepts built around dominant battlefield intelligence. The other side is represented by officers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who think future wars will resemble the messy reality of the current ones.

In a new paper, Army Col. H.R. McMaster, definitely a member of the messy war group, calls for abandoning so-called transformation, which is intellectually rooted in the idea of a Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA). McMaster, of 73 Easting and Tal Afar fame, is a highly influential soldier-scholar who is currently putting together a brain trust for Gen. David Petraeus to review U.S. policy towards Afghanistan and Pakistan.

McMaster says the widely held vision of a revolution in warfare, of light, agile high-tech forces destroying an adversary with pin-point precision weapons fired from stand-off distances, ran headlong into reality in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be a superlative stretch of reality to describe the brutal fighting in those wars as anything remotely revolutionary. Both have featured much less high-tech and much more high-firepower in fierce firefights, not at the stand off ranges preferred by U.S. soldiers but in engagements where combatants were separated by only a few feet.


He says the U.S. will fight future wars “against armed groups that employ tactics and strategies similar to those it is facing in Afghanistan and Iraq.” The Army’s “legacy” formations have figured prominently in the current fight and will again in future wars. He criticizes analysts and officers — calling out Air Force Maj. Gen. Charles Dunlap and Lt. Gen. David Deptula — who “advocate a return to 1990s thinking” where high-tech surveillance, air power and precision weaponry deliver “effects” against the enemy from long range in an effort to avoid costly and protracted “boots on the ground” efforts. Those who have bought into the RMA orthodoxy make the mistake of defining future conflict “as we might prefer it to be,” McMaster says.

McMaster really lets it fly at both Air Force leaders who have been very vocal in pushing the notion that airpower is America’s true asymmetric advantage. “Deptula and Dunlap fail to consider the enemy’s ability to react and adopt countermeasures that complicate our ability to remotely deliver effects. One wonders what kind of remotely delivered capability might secure people from terrorists living in their midst, reconstitute a police force, or interdict concealed vehicle bombs aimed at crowded marketplaces.” Moreover, McMaster says, future adversaries, such as China, are developing weapons designed specifically to take out U.S. surveillance and IT assets

McMaster takes a big swipe at his own service and the $200 billion Future Combat Systems program that was originally intended to supply the Army with a new family of lightweight armored vehicles but has since dissolved into a collection of some promising and many not so promising technologies. McMaster says recent combat experience shows, “we should reject the notion that lightness, ease of deployment, and reduced logistical infrastructure are virtues in and of themselves. What a force is expected to achieve once it is deployed is far more important than how quickly it can be moved and how easily it can be sustained.”

The FCS program likes to show a briefing slide that illustrates the long line of fuel tankers required to support the gas guzzling Abrams tank and the much fewer needed to support the future FCS vehicle. McMaster points out the weakness of that pitch. Sure, a 30 ton FCS vehicle with new, more efficient engine technologies will cut down on the logistical tail compared to Abrams tanks. But what do you get at the end of that long line of fuel tankers? With the Abrams, arguably the world’s best main battle tank with an impenetrable frontal arc and unmatched firepower. With FCS, you get a vehicle, with armor no thicker than that of a Bradley, that depends on situational awareness to survive an engagement.

McMaster says that despite six years of combat experience, the Army continues to embrace the “flawed doctrinal concepts and a continued fixation on futuristic experiments” that say FCS equipped soldiers will have near perfect situational awareness and will be able to promptly dispatch enemies without engaging in close combat. That’s a dangerous road to go down, he warns, that could end up costing soldiers lives. The gulf between the Army’s new warfighting concepts and the lessons coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan “demands a thorough review of Army organization.”

McMaster says theory continues to triumph over practice because of the tangled web of relationships between defense contractors, the DoD, Congress, and think tanks that often lend legitimacy to flawed concepts. He says the military should stop outsourcing its intellectual responsibilities, and defense contractors “should not produce and test operational concepts that can later be used to justify the purchase of their systems or products.”

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Contractors and Think Tanks and Government Labs collectively came up with this nonesense TO MAKE MONEY. They don’t have to suffer the consequence of their calculated fraud. They get to sell at great personal profit this new technology that will not work and which they were advised would not work. Those of us inside who advised leadership this would not work were shuffeled to the back of the bus and told to get with the program. Those who fabricated powerpoint fantasy to perpetuate and sell the fraud were rewarded. The soldier lost — frequently his life ! Finally a leader steps up. He will probably be made a Vice President to shut him up so they can get back to the process of making money.

I’m a bit confused here…he calls for low-tech low-cost solutions and his example is the M1 tank?!

“McMaster says recent combat experience shows, “we should reject the notion that lightness, ease of deployment, and reduced logistical infrastructure are virtues in and of themselves…”

Wow, just wow.

I’m thinking a redesigned, more efficient power plant in current M-1A2’s might be cheaper than an entirely new FCS. (Especially considering our purchasing process these days).

I am half on his page.– We shouldn’t recklessly dump billions into advanced systems for a war against a technologically advanced (hypothetical) enemy while ignoring today’s battles. But we can’t not have our eyes on what the world might bring to our doorstep tomorrow either.

The problem is that a lot of the “pointlessly advanced systems” he’s trashing aren’t really all that advanced. They’re just new. This guy is the classic Old Soldier who never quite got over the switch from M1911 to 92FS.

McMasters and the FCS folks both have valid points. Before you can do the close and dirty you must get general control of the ground. Just as the F-22 is required to get control of the airspace before you can use the A-10. Both capabilities are required. The initial requirement to gain control of the air and ground must not be ignored and the need finish the job (McMasters) is also required. Those who ignore both are destined to get a nasty surprise.

What strikes me as odd is that the platform for his “messy war” argument is based on Iraq, and A-stan, were FCS has not been implemented. In fact I just say a 60 minutes talking about how some of the moderate “high-tech” stuff like predators were giving our troops a VAST edge over the low-tech enemy. I’m not one for throwing billions away, our conflicts point to an INCREASED need for FCS,not the other way around. Counter-insurgency would be easier with the FCS, not harder.

BG H.R. McMaster is one of many true hero (Silver Star) Commanders/Soldiers of Desert Storm 73 Easting and OIF with 3rd ACR. However, believe he cites certain stereotypes about FCS that are not necessarily true.
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BG McMaster: “However, recent conventional combat experience also suggests that we should reject the notion that lightness, ease of deployment, and reduced logistical infrastructure are virtues in and of themselves. What a force is expected to achieve once it is deployed is far more important than how quickly it can be moved and how easily it can be sustained.”
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Upon completion of planned base/force realignments, our Army will be less forward-deployed than at any time in recent history. Unless we can deploy rapidly from stateside using a mix of sea and air assets, many conflicts may be over or our entry points will be secured by the threat before we even arrive. In addition, an oversized slow-to-deploy, logistically bloated Army increases arguments by the USAF that it is the force that can arrive on time to save the day in any/every situation. Many future scenarios may involve the Pacific theater. Relying strictly on sea-deployment or inefficient air deployment due to oversized armor, becomes even more problematic and harder to support logistically due to the “tyranny of distance” inherent in Pacific battlefields.

Cited insufficient troop strength on the ground is even more reason for a lighter, easier-to-support force so greater ground force can be sustained. The current war costs $10–12 billion a month, largely due to logistical factors. If we could sustain a force of 150,000 Soldiers for the price of a force of 125,000, wouldn’t that make sense? A patient enemy can win the long war by waiting until public opinion and budget deficits overcome sound tactical and strategic policy.

BG McMaster believes we need adequate combat power on the ground. Well, FCS Brigade Combat Teams (FBCT) bring more infantry to the fight vs. current heavy divisions and Bradley fighting vehicles. FBCTs have three combined arms battalions (CAB) vs. two heavy modular Abrams/Bradley CABs. FBCT CABs are capable of dispersed “noncontiguous” operations, with their own reconnaissance and fire support as well as access to joint and FBCT fires, to spread available CABs around the battlefield as required to attack, defend, or support stability operations.

CABs capable of deploying by C-17 to any number of friendly secure locations adjacent to areas of conflict often would be sufficient ground force, when supported by joint air assets, to secure airheads and ports for follow-on FBCT deployments and logistics. It would show potential adversaries our support for nations being attacked prior to actual direct hostilities between us and the aggressor. It also would provide credible security for any air assets using the airhead as an additional deterrent. The Middle East, Israel, Taiwan, Korea, Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, the Balkans…all are a long distance from deploying stateside BCTs.

BG McMaster speaking about OIF/OEF: “Surveillance and information technologies failed to deliver the promised “dominant battlespace knowledge” as enemy forces employed traditional countermeasures (e.g. dispersion, concealment, deception, and intermingling with civilian populations) to Coalition technological capabilities.”
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First, no FCS systems were available to provide “dominant battlefield knowledge” in either conflict 5–7 years ago. Our current force is many times more capable of providing information to lower echelons today…and yet there are still no FCS systems in place. UAS full motion video provided to Command Posts is one example where today the capabilities far exceed those of just a few years ago…not to mention the sheer numbers of UAS.

Second, FCS reconnaissance and security assets are far more numerous than in the past division cavalry or current modular heavy brigades. These forces aren’t dependent on information technologies or knowledge passed from higher echelons. They generate information organically for local dispersion within CABs and information push to higher echelons.

Thus the common operational picture displaying friendly and enemy elements doesn’t depend on higher echelon information that never arrives in time, nor on satellite Blue Force Tracker coupled with outdated manual input of threats. Rather the sensors of lower echelon FBCT assets automatically populate the COP…and higher echelons benefit from that knowledge as well.

FCS forces disperse to find dispersed threats. They have sensors able to detect concealed enemies even in sandstorms and the literal “fog of war” caused by weather, stirred up dust, and battlefield smoke. They can move sufficiently close to employ powerful sensors to detect whether targets are decoys or real, and can develop the situation to determine whether facing a main effort or diversionary attack. If the threat is intermingled with civilians, these troops can establish urban OPs, checkpoints, patrols, and route security to assist the CAB in ferreting out the enemy and safeguarding true noncombatants.

Yes, it all “briefs well,” but the capabilities FBCT systems/sensors will have can be exploited by commanders like BG McMaster in ways that we pundits could never dream about. The band track and 20 minute pure electric drive will allow heavy FCS armor to sneak up on threat forces in ways the heavy modular force never could. The abundance of small UAS and unmanned ground assets down to platoon level will enhance local security in ways never envisioned to permit talented battalion and company commanders to rout out hidden enemies and find them before they ambush or rapidly thereafter.

I spent 45 years as a “combat systems engineer” for both Army and Navy labs and RD&E Centers doing engineering development on land and naval combat systems. This included multiple combined arms ORSA studies, TRD and ORD development. In those years I came away with the realization that modern warfare is a binary conflict. We are either going to fight “low intensity conflicts” as we are now doing in Iraq and Afghanistan or we are going to fight tactical nuclear warfare. Conventional warfare as envisioned by the FCS paradigm sees massive land armies at standoff combat ranges. In reality this is an interim phase before we MUST go to nukes. So, let’s just bypass the FCS and build our combat systems to go directly to nukes when the low intensity conflicts do not achieve their objectives. We no longer have overwhelming conventional firepower against anyone but third world nations and we can expect to fight both Russia and China sometime this century. The rest of the world armies are all going to nukes, well within our FCS development cycle anyways so we might as well accept this and bite “the Bomb” and get it over with.

Neither position is mutually exclusive. We must prepare for, and hopefully prevent, the next global war — while winning the regional wars we are fighting now. Stand-off or hand-to-hand, our Armed Forces will always prevail when the strategic objectives are clearly defined and sufficient resource are allocated to accomplish the mission. The devil’s in the details, so all this squabbling about the future military environment now may prevent tragedy later. Besides, it’s in our nature.

FCS should not be scrapped. The MGV’s as well as C4ISR apps are an improvement over current force crap. Having retired from active duty and given the opportunity to work on the program for two years I can say it’s definatively the right direction to head. The concepts need to be refined, but that doesn’t mean we scrap the hardware. I would rather fight in close combat with an MGV and SOSCOE rather than an M1/M2 with FBCB2.

I too am a retired US Army officer that has participated in the Network Centric warfare concept since near the beginning. The primary failure of this idea of “full situational awareness” is that data is not information. Why would a Maneuver Battalion require real time full motion video from a UAV? The ability to do something doesn’t mean that it needs to be done. At some point in warfare, a person (read soldier) must confront the enemy and decisively engage him. All of the rest is lectrons and plans. Commanders at all echelons must be capable of denying the enemy any advantage, but doing this from a computer screen isn’t how it really gets done. It is true that you can’t fight the war without getting there first, but if the cost of getting there first means you can’t afford to do it right will mean you’ve lost before you got started.

BG McMaster: “In war, the enemy makes decisions that help determine when, where, and how our forces will fight. If a force optimized for operations under conditions of information superiority loses communications, it could become isolated and unable to access remote fires.”
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FBCT CABs have organic armored mortar support that puts any current mortar system to shame, while retaining a dismounted capability. Dispersed NLOS-Launch System container launch units can support dispersed forces from combat outposts and perimeter defenses. NLOS cannons can be task organized with supported CABs to provide local support from base camps or during rapid movement to contact firing Excalibur GPS munitions.

Mounted Combat systems (Medium tanks) have gun systems firing 120 mm munitions…not Stryker 105mm. The mid range munition retains direct fire status while achieving Hellfire-like ranges. Sure beats 4 kms.

FBCTs have organic armed aircraft for close combat attack support and manned-unmanned teaming with UAS. Numerous laser systems throughout the FBCT can support cooperative engagements with joint laser-guided munitions.

The concept of networked fires may not be a complete winner, but it has ample precedent in current AFATDS. There is little need to rely on external networked fire support given the organic FBCT fires still available if local communications are retained. In addition, local and networked communications are less likely to fail in an FCS unit due to the number of nodes and comms extension resources.

BG McMaster: “While much of the transformation literature stresses speed, adaptability, and initiative, the force’s inability to overmatch the enemy in a close fight will predispose leaders toward waiting for information rather than taking resolute action in uncertain conditions. Ironically, a force that was supposed to be fast and agile will operate ponderously.”
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During Desert Storm’s 73 Easting, one of the more threatened elements was Ghost Troop with M3 Bradleys. Yet they were able to inflict enormous damage on a much larger enemy with fire support, and suffered relatively few losses.

In contrast, many Bradley losses around the same timeframe were due to fratricide as units forward of other units were hit from behind. FCS reconciles some of that with better combat ID systems. FCS also brings better situational awareness for self-synchronization of parallel unit movements. Common operational picture displays show friendly and detected enemy or unknown elements superimposed with control measures such as phase lines. This allows leaders to match the pace of adjacent units during rapid advance in low light and adverse weather conditions.

But when one front line armored combat element is virtually impervious to damage (M1) and its task-organized partners in victory are not (M2/M3 Bradleys), one may question whether exploiting the situation through rapid advance into the possible unknown, is fair to all parties concerned. Some analysis of detected threats on the COP, coupled with judicious route choices and overwatch may enable rapid decisions on whether to charge, or cool it and attack by fire from standoff.

Active protection systems and the advanced armor of FCS vehicles will still produce highly survivable vehicles for close combat and stability operations. Few enemy systems capable of penetrating an FCS vehicle can sneak up on its organic vehicle sensors. There is also nothing precluding multiple divisions from leading a corps attack with legacy armor. But a strong lead element does not mean follow on units must be equally over-armored and gas guzzling.

We can’t continue to pile armor on tanks and infantry vehicles or the other armored vehicles around them. Bridges won’t take it, off-road mobility is hampered, and a force where every armored vehicle gets 2 gallons to the mile instead of 3 mpg can theoretically transform a million+ gallon per day division into a 3 million gallon per day behemoth. Is that fair to the vulnerable logisticians toting that fuel about the battlefield? Why is the life of an armor Soldier more worthy of impervious armor than that of the infantryman or logistician? How much gas will be available in 20 years and how much will it cost???

I can tell you that when the TOC looses it’s COP, it doesn’t know what to do. Enemy forces are only displayed on the COP when they are manually entered. Is a tank commander supposed to worry about entering the location of enemy forces on his FBCB2 or should he be concerning himself with how he is going to engage the enemy he sees?

The technology is great, but when a ground pounder can’t read a paper map, there is a huge problem. And this is occuring right now. we rely far too much on technology and not enough on basic soldier skills.

FCS has some great programs they are working on right now, but if the technology gets in the way of a soldier knowing how to be a soldier without the technology, it is a big mistake.

When thing go to nukes all that technology will be gone (the electronics in the area that is) and soldiers will have to do without and they cannot do without anymore (I have very reliable sources for that substantiate these statements, I promise.)

The General is right. We need an armed force that can bring decisive firepower to the battlefield, regardless of what that battlefield looks like. As for the notion of getting there quickly, that is what the Rapid Deployment Force is for. And nowdays, they have weapons systems that are lightweight and lethal. so they can hold a position until heavy forces arrive.

Something else that occurs to me: Here’s a tanker who’s come to the conclusion that heavy armor deployed in mass quantities is the solution to every battlefield problem. quelle surprise.

I mean, I’m aware that BG McMaster is a combat commander with battle experience and I’m just some schmoe on the Internet; but at the same time, I don’t see how someone can look at the lessons of OEF, OIF, and ongoing peacekeeping ops, and come to the conclusion that the solution is large amounts of max-capability heavy armor. We no longer live and work in a world where it’s considered acceptable to drive through a populated area and fire five-inch cannister rounds into every structure within 500 meters of a friendly vehicle.

I am in theater now, I support UAV ops, and we are deploying 24 hr UAV missions with full motion video! And guess who our customers are? Manuever battalions! It’s no secret that theatre commanders have requested a 300% increase in our capability and the Army is responding. My only point is that you (read soldier) use the computer screen as a tool to assist in preparation for the danger close combat.

He says the military should stop outsourcing its intellectual responsibilities, and defense contractors “should not produce and test operational concepts that can later be used to justify the purchase of their systems or products.” -
I hear that–
war is ancient-the only two major shakes since the beginning of time were gunpowder and internal combustion engines-so, if the new technology fits into what war is, and gives an advantage worth the price, sure-why not? Trouble is, a lot of this stuff gets bought just because, and it’s a wonder what anyone would do with some of it.

FCS sounds like a continuation of DoD’s version of welfare. A high tech, well paid, version of a jobs program for defense contractors. Belief in FCS only, got us the looting in Baghdad. And I wonder what real benefit we reap in an environment like Iraq or Afghanistan by using F-22’s vs. the older and cheaper F-16.
You can’t “high tech” a commited enemy in to capitulation. All you can get him to do is go to ground.
Dominance is the name of the game and if we aren’t willing to dominate the ground where folks live then we shouldn’t go. Dominating the ground environment is what it is all about.
Everyone should ask themselves where we would be today had we followed Gen. Shinseki’s advice regarding troop levels.
How many troops lost their lives due to Rumsfeld trying to prove the point of “transformation” and failing.

Yes, we should have this high tech stuff to SUPPLIMENT our troops, but we should NOT be relying on it, like the current mindset is. We should be listening to our officers that HAVE COMBAT EXPERIENCE over some desk jockey. I guarantee you that our next major war is going to be with CHINA! So yes, we need the F-22, but we also need F-16s and A-10s. We are wearing out our equipment in Iraq and Afganistan, and we need to invest money into rebuilding our military. Of course, politicians will say the we can’t afford it and they will want to cut the hell out of it. But of course, we can afford to give out FREE presciption drugs, welfare, foreign aid, crappy ethanol subsidies.
The money we need is there, we just need to pull our collective heads out of our asses!

FCS is a great concept, network centric — system of systems — deployability, mobility, survivability, lethality. It has had its problems with the JTRS radio and with NLOS cannon costs and weight issues, but the Army MUST modernize and “transform” and FCS is a COMPREHENSIVE program to do so. The problem with anything comprehensive is that there will be glitches in the minutia.

When one focuses on the large hardware like the NLOS Cannon, they lose focus on the totality. Vehicles for multiple functions sharing a common chassis makes for interchangability of parts, reduced logistical and maintenance costs etc. Man Packable bots and UAVs are lifesavers and integral for urban engagements. Unmanned ground vehicles can clear areas of mines/IEDs. These are all components of FCS besides the “tanks”.

And the network aspect is no less vital. During the initial push to Bagdhad, “Blue Force Tracking” was in use. This provided tactical information to the officers in the field in real time. Further technologies have been “spun out” since. Our CURRENT warriors are benefiting in TODAY’s battlespaces because of FCS.

FCS is one of the few programs in government, military or civilian, that has performed anywhere close to on track and on budget — at least until the budgets were slashed. And when it comes to “on time”… FCS has fielded some technologies EARLIER than anticipated.

When all is said and done, FCS may need tweaking, but it is still a noble, worthy and necessary effort.

Kudos to those who have accomplished so much, so soon, with so much opposition!

THIS IS FOR ANY GENERAL WHO IS READING THIS ARTICLE! I am currently a civil service person working for the Air Force. I am responsible for testing jet engines and making sure that they are going to be reliable for the pilots. I can tell you catagorically that 99% of these contractors you are hiring are KILLING us! By that I mean that they are giving you the lowest quality at the highest price! Oh yeah, they come in at first and UNDERBID your cost, once you shut everything down and turn the work over to them, then they jack up the cost! They lay off just about everyone, except the old farts that should be retired, and they run on skeleton crews. They maximise their profit margins anyway they can think of. I saw this first hand down at Kelly AFB, which has been turned over to contractors. One company there, has gotten rid of all its programmers and engineers, and has one old guys, in his 70s, working there. Yes, he has experince, and he is going to retire and then be hired back as a consultant. Once he dies though, they wll have NOBODY, to take his place. I know that they could afford to hire and train more people, and they are probably charging the government to do so, but they are not! As a matter of fact, they have to call us for help! I know that they get by with this because they offer some of you retired colonels and generals a nice cushy job when you retire from the military! THIS CRAP HAS GOT TO STOP! No, I am not worried about them taking my job, I can always find a new one, but I do worry about our ability to SUPPORT the warfighter! The military should do everything it can INHOUSE! That way you have total control on quality! These contractors are nothing but paranas that are ruining our capability to fight! Yes, there are a very few good ones, we should keep those, but for the most part get rid of the rest. Even Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Pratt & Whittney, etc., have been contracting out their work, which is bringing them down as well. Everyone is strictly looking at PROFIT over our National Security! One of these days SOON, we are going to pay for this BIGTIME! PLEASE STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is one of the things that normally don’t concern us but as a corpsman in the navy i don’t like hospitals and when it come’s down to it that’s were most of us will be if all those lack luster inventions don’t work. food for thought if we have it then everyone else will, and that makes the ground we walk on even so why not train harder and make stuff that makes battle ready since. cause i’m not going to lose anyone to faulty garbage– meaning if it puts my men in trouble then when i find who invented the thing that did it, there dead. so think hard about your life and the men and women who are going to use this stuff. Im 23 but i tell you if the next war are anything like living in ghetto USA, then think gurrilla war cause thats what it is unless we fight a real war with uniforms– then this stuff might work but im in the military and alot of the stuff we use sounds and looks like the stuff they want to us. and WW1 and WW2 tell us ha hahahahaha, death to those who cant fight with there fist.

“Yes, we should have this high tech stuff to SUPPLIMENT our troops, but we should NOT be relying on it, like the current mindset is.”

How does something “supplement” without you “relying” on it? I suppose that wheeled vehicles “supplement” the armed forces in the sense that we’ve all got two legs and could conceivably walk everywhere…oh, and radios are just a “supplement”, because we could replace them by carrier pigeons or maybe just yelling really loud.

Someone in here commented on “Our next war will be with the Chinese”. I’ve got to hope that that one is fought on the economic front. We are struggling to maintain our composure in two ultimately minor sized conflicts with what is arguably the most technologically advanced military in the world and no-one is going to call it a decisive victory at this point.
Neither Iraq, nor Afghanistan have anything approaching the nationalist fervor of the Chinese, nor do they have a trained military that I’m assuming has many more boots than ours.
That is the reason we do nothing more than generate rhetoric when it comes to Iran. They have a national identity that would unify the whole country against us that would be orders of magnitude beyond the Iraqi experience.
Anyone who thinks we are going to blythely fight the Chinese, FCS or no FCS has been drinking the Kool-Aid by the bucketful.Besides that, all the Chinese need to do is call in all of our debt that they own, or embargo the USA and we’d probably put out the white flag since we couldn’t buy cheap tv’s, dvd movies, computers, or any of the miriad products that we buy from that country. We are joined at the hip to the Chinese and we have further to fall in that conflict.

Tim the Civil Servant,

I worked for the Army as a civilian engineer for 35 years. When I checked into Frankford Arsenal back in 1965, it was a fabulous place employing some of the most brilliant people I ever had the privilege to meet. I designed all sorts of fire control instruments there.

Then came Robert McNamara and his management is where the action is whiz-kids. This attitude combined with congressional pressure to get the Government people out of competition with private industry has just about wiped out any vestige of technical competence within the Civil Service.

I hear you but you’re swimming upstream on this one.

— CHAS

One thing FCS people may want to think about.
Like traffic on the highway. Radio waves have a
traffic jam too. When you put allot of signals and frequencies out there. You have to keep turning up the wattage to make your message push through. Cell phones, PC’s, FM radios, satellite transmissions, jammers, wireless controls, anti air radar radiation, opp force jamming, TV and commercial and private signals. Climate. Dust. Terrain.
Where I work. They had to turn up the
wattage so high you would be amazed. And it still only works part time. When radio traffic
goes up, computer signals start to fail. And quite a few half messages. Or complete system
failure. The people I work for. Have a unlimited budget. And their system still fails.
Regularly. Locally, regionally, Internationally.
Any breakdown in the system. The whole thing crashes. And these are simple numeric signals.
Not weapons coordinates and digital scrambled signals. Not from 100,000 signals at once. I am not a radio expert. Just sharing a little story of a system that is struggling to function and fails regularly. I think FCS will be easy to jam. Or the signals corrupted to give false commands. Or the enemy using massive amounts of dirty EMF. Just open a few Microwaves. Turn it on. Poor mans radio jammer. I work for the World’s largest private Navy fleet. Ask them how their system works. It does sometime. Not when bad weather anywhere around the globe effect a break in a link to the system. Just do what the Germans do. Go into poor countries. Buy all their truck factories,
fertilizer, chemical, pharmaceutical, food processing, cement factories and foundries. And the countries welcome them in. Gladly. What Hitler could not do by force. The German banks
and Corporations are doing with ease. In all of their former annexed territories. Poland, etc.
They get them addicted to input. All the time.
The countries are bled dry by Insurance companies and brokered deals. The cycle never ends. Where is this FCS system going to be used?
And on who? Chinese? We owe them almost 4 trillion dollars. They aren’t our enemy. They are our rich uncle. You know the old guy the family thinks worked too hard. But we are smarter. We will take a short cut. We went to a University. He just raised pigs or chickens. And drives a big old car. And we drink coffee all day telling ourselves we are more clever than him. And our old farmer uncle did it the wrong way. He worked too hard. We will use our minds! As we borrow more from him to finance our new plan. The Chinese could just kill us with a billion pitchforks. Our economy would collapse if the Chinese system fails. 4 out of five shipping containers come from China. Our largest companies like Wal-mart, Home Depot, Target, Toys are Us. etc. They are all China centered. We love China. They love us. In a financial kinda way. Wal-mart has a office in their main Government building just a short walk from their head guy. With their cabinet ministers.

Export American made products.
Superior designs, and efficient production and hard work. He/she who works hardest will be first.
Spending to much time on weapons and their design
to kill our future enemies will tax us into the poor house. Ask the french how they did against a inferior force of old little tanks and armored cars. Quite a bit, horse drawn. The Vietnamese did
it with bicycles and pajamas. The Technical.s with old unexploded U.S. bombs and Toyota pickups. A pawn can win a cheese game. Or bring it to a draw. Given enough pawns. You can win.
It just takes a little longer.

Radio does. Not work that way.

What the Colonal is Talking About Is the Stuff they Show On FutureWars The BodyArmor Soldiers can wear To Protect Them these Smart Bombs We have Now Maybe some Jets Cause People There is a Real Thing Called a ION Bomb That Can Take Out Cities Mititary with all there HIGHTECH NOW!!! And You Wont Know YouR Hit Till You Loose EveryThing!!! And Banks Loose All there Stuff Stocks Go Laugh If You Want Be Russia Has It And They Are Open Now The wall Is Down Thats Why I Would Go With My Trusty M16 M4 CAPUS and Map You All Can Have Your High Tec And Be Pissed Off AT The Colonal I Know What He‘s Talking About!!!!

All those neat, high-tech networks, video feeds, blue force tracker, GPS guided munitions, fire-control systems, etc., all rely on RF communications. ALL RF communications can be jammed, whether it be a data link, a tactical radio, GPS, analog or digital. Even laser can be jammed. This hasn’t been a concern in Afghanistan or Iraq, as we are fighting a relatively unsophisticated enemy. Iran, Russia, China, to name a few potential adversaries, have the capability to disrupt any and all systems that depend on RF communications. Many of these systems also emit RF energy in order to communicate. MOST countries have the ability to DF and attack RF emitters. THIS is why we use certain systems to “supplement” our warfighting capabilities: Sometimes, you have to turn them off. Sometimes it’s bad to be an emitter. Sometimes, your comms are jammed. If you can’t fight without them, you’re pretty much phucked.

Radio waves are radiation. Thats where the term radio came from. If it is high or low frequency .
It is just radiation. Radiation has different sources. They collide and change angles when interrupted. They can be modified and squeezed.
But rarely do they push their way through when
they hit something. Or are purposely made to do so. If we spend billions to send signals into space? The Chinese will too. But it is easier to stop one then to send one. If a lightning storm in Texas can ruin my Satellite TV signal in California. The FCS can have a Achilles heel too. The Chinese are on their way to the Moon.
Remember they built a really big wall once. When they decide to do something. Even their grandchildren finish the job. FCS. Better buy tanks instead. They have quite a few Armored
divisions on their eastern border. In case we cut off their sea route. Or the Russians cut em off in the North. The best your gonna do is contain em. If we let a billion Chinese starve to death? We will be the ones looked down on for starting it. Just contain em. Sell em beef.
Beer and cigarettes. Get em hooked on nascar. They will just say,” Billy Chang Bob is runnin today, I aint goin anywhere!”.

Who are we suppose to fight with this FCS?
Where did we get the 4 trillion so far to buy some stuff? The Chinese. If we paid our import bill, and the Chinese cashed in their Treasury bills? In stead of rolling them over. We would be
in allot of trouble. Recently we had to barrow quite a bit more money. The British banks offered it at 4%. The Chinese at 2 %. The British jacked up the price of their money just before the stuff hit the fan. Knowing we would need some money.
Nice. Can you blame the Chinese for wanting to feed their people? Or look important? We do.
Lets barrow the money from the Chinese to build the FCS program. And then we can test it on them. Lets see if we can knock out their banking system too! Or blow up their ports.
Or stop selling them steel or cut off their oil. Lets just be crazy mofos.

I think this guy is both right and wrong. He seems to be focused on the current conflict, and the technology hasn’t caught up to those requirements. But, situational awareness is 9/10th the battle. The Army must utilize advanced technology to keep the U.S. the superior force. What if you told him
that a system could be produced that enabled him to pinpoint every OpFor individual at anytime and at anyplace. And that individual could be taken out remotely via a weapon the looks and acts like a house fly.

Tunnels, caves, underwater, Sand, snow, civilians
fighting as technical s in cities, They wont come out and fight where you have the advantage. Op force. Who? The Germans fiddled around with secret weapons. Giant guns and tanks and didn’t even have a Navy. Or oil. They spent a ton of money on crazy stuff. If we are to the point of borrowing from our enemy ( presumably China?) to build weapons to fight them. How is that suppose to work? Back to the drawing board. I like FCS in it’s conception. It should help. But on a limited basis. We aren’t fighting on that basis now. We are in a little trouble. Time to save the dinghy and not build the racing boat! Pass the bucket. Lets get out of debt first. then go shopping. If the DOD was my wife. I would divorce her ass. Or go to a marriage counselor. But cut up her credit cards if she had a spending problem to the point of borrowing from the neighbors to live.
No honey. we cant afford two two show poodles.
Now don’t cry. Daddy has to get the water turned back on today. Someone forgot to pay the silly bill. Out. USA !

What are the FCS alternatives?

Stryker is too lightly armored. Suspension constraints and poor off road mobility/rollover propensity limit potential for more add-on armor. Inadequate electrical generation exists for FCS-type sensors/comms/computers.

Marine armor is too light, as well. LAV and EFV are no better armored than Stryker. Where is all the indignation over light Marine armor gobbling up all the bucks…not to mention V-22 that only transports light infantry.

Light infantry, airborne, air assault, and Marine light elements excel at low intensity conflict, complex and urban terrain, and forced entry…but could not hold terrain, airheads, and ports against substantial enemy armor.

Heavy BCTs guzzle gas, are hard to deploy, and have inadequate infantry for stability and urban ops. They’re armor is overkill for prolonged conflict in most stability ops after an initial combat campaign.

Can you envision trying to land Marine or heavy Army armor onto mainland China? Me neither, nor can I envision a conflict with them over anything but Taiwan where we could airland FCS armor by C-17 on the east side. But even war over Taiwan is a stretch due to their dependence on Walmart and the U.S. market…not to mention the bonds they own that we could conveniently default on.

Do we need 15 FCS BCTs? Well if it is a long war, yes, because troop rotations would require it. But if you could rotate with Stryker and Heavy BCTs, maybe not. That may be the future compromise…a reduction to 9–12 FCS BCTs, while retaining some heavy and Strker BCTs indefinitely, with FCS spin-outs.

But if we do reduce future FCS BCTs, be smart about it and put brigades in Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, and Ft. Lewis to be close to the Pacific theater, and in Italy and Germany, or even England to be closer to the Middle East.

BTW, if the bad guys use a nuke for EMP…our current force is already hurting, and our likely response is also nuclear. We have plenty of emitters already on the battlefield and our direction-finding capabilities far exceed most of the threats.

I’m convinced that FCS manned ground vehicles and RSTA assets could fare very well even without all the electronic information technology gizmos. Should Soldiers still be able to read paper maps…you betcha. But that isn’t an FCS-only problem either.

Thank god SOMEBODY in the Army has a brain & an actual understanding of combat & is not afraid to use them!

Here is THE problem with FCS…

There are a LOT of vehicles that go into a Maneuver Brigade besides the combat vehicles & across the ENTIRE unit only TWO vehicle types of a FCS unit are any smaller or lighter than the equivalent vehicle is a Heavy Maneuver Brigade — the MGS (vs M1 Abrams) & the NLOS-C (vs M109A6 Paladin).

The fact is that in order to deploy a Maneuver Brigade (or even Battalion) is going to require a LOT of airlift sorties to accomplish & while FCS does lessen the number, it does not do so by nearly as much as you might think. It would take 410 C-17 sorties (based on an AVERAGE load of 60 tons) to deploy an entire Heavy Maneuver Brigade vs 340–380 C-17 sorties (based on an AVERAGE load of 50–55 tons) for a FCS Maneuver Brigade. Another way to look at it is that an entire Heavy Maneuver Brigade weighs ~120,000 tons & a FCS Maneuver Brigade ~95,000 tons…

Blah, blah, blah, we’ve been through this before pfcem. As few as 30 C-17s could deploy 90 well-armored manned ground vehicles constituting the combat elements of most of a Combined Arms Battalion task force. That force then secures the airhead and nearby port for follow-on force deployment. It also secures any USAF elements operating from the same airfield. Get it.

Wouldn’t you rather have 90 armored vehicles on the ground than greater numbers of airborne troops.…and an airborne platoon can sit alongside the armor on the same C-17 to have the best of both worlds.

An up-armored Bradley is 75,000 lbs…much heavier than a 27 ton FCS Infantry Carrier Vehicle that transports more infantry than a Bradley…and is better armed.…and has equal and in some cases better all around protection.

The upcoming War right here in the USA is going to last for several years and be quite messy. I project that several thousand citizen will die right here on our city streets. I think that we are looking at >25,000 … Over a course of approximately 4-to-5-years or so. The most sophisticated weapon will be the newly replaced .50-Caliber Machine Guns. We are Americans and we are NOT at all intimidated by the thought of our own Revolution right here @ home.

Cole,

Keep on dreaming…

As I said before, FCS makes sense on a Company-sized level — an UNSUPPORTED Battalion level at best (as SMALL Air Mech units). But that IS NOT how the FCS is organized or intended to be used. The UOA (Unit of Action) is a BCT (Brigade Combat Team) — a BRIGADE, not a Battalion or a Company.

A FCS Maneuver Brigade consists of 320+ FCS MGVs, 550+ trucks, 180+ towed vehicles & 180 ‘other’ (unmanned) vehicles, your 90 vehicles would represent about ONE FCS Combined Arms Battalion (just the FCS MGVs, no support vehicles) & without ANY of the supporting vehicles it ain’t going to last long…

M2A3 combat weight is 33 tons (66,000 lbs), they are HOPING to keep the FCS ICV around 30 tons (60,000 lbs) — not a very significant difference. Take a wild guess what the FCS MCS will end up weighing…

I also LOVE how you try to justify FCS through the use of an AIRBORNE mission that Heavy Maneuver Brigades were NEVER intended for.

Check it out pfcem…courtesy of GlobalSecurity​.org:

BFVS-A3 System Characteristics:

Weight, combat loaded (without armor tiles) 67,500 lbs.

Weight armor tiles 6,410 lbs

Add and stir: 73,910 lbs.
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30 C-17s deploy 90 armored MGVs that each use 200 gallons of fuel every few days in the defense.

30 C-17s deploys 30 M1 tanks that each use 500 gallons of fuel every few hours in the defense.
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Never said anything about forced entry using FCS and C-17s. Land in safe adjacent territory as we did in northern Iraq…and as we could in neighboring nations who are probably concerned that they are next.

Just because you are part of a brigade does not mean you must deploy an entire brigade by air. If you are in the defense at an airfield, and all your supplies are coming out the back of a C-17/C-130 initially…you don’t need all the extra trucks early on.

What you DO need is a credible security force to allow follow-on force deployment by sea and air…something an airborne brigade would not have been in southern Georgia, for instance.

To have (or have not)the FCS program is moot. It is unaffordable… in any budget, and especially so when considering whether the planned technologies required for FCS will even be available. Post-war budgets are historically miniscule and usually do not support even minimum acceptable readiness levels. It won’t be any different after Iraq. Army senior leadership might be far better off improving strategic and tactical logistics, relearning how to maintain equipment without contactors, recovering off-road mobility, developing TO&Es, finding homes for MRAPs, fixing engineer operational shortfalls, and many other issues rather than attending three or four seminars/conventions a month with a canned PR speech advocating the newest initiative. Perhaps an objective requirements generation process based upon a well analysed and understood doctrine that does not simply justify what the Chief wants might also be in order. The lack of analysis in the Army is staggering, and the loser is Snuffy — the guy driving around the cities in Iraq looking for ambushes in a souped-up SUV that a junior engineer could instantly determine to be unsatisfactory as a combat vehicle (but was never asked). The Army leadership will not give up on FCS. As it did in 2001, the Army will “accept risk” in its current force by terminating programs and diverting funds to FCS. Those who criticize it will be accused of “not getting it” and be run off somewhere. Test results — if any — will be classified to prevent scutiny/criticism. Sometime later a new, even more visionary Chief will be assigned, and FCS will morph into something else with a different name, and elements of FCS will die off and others will be born. It will be pushed once more to the right, and Snuffy will likely never see anything new parked in the motor pool alongside his M113.

Iam not all that familiar with this argument. However, we have units ready to deploy within 18 hrs, the 327-101st was 36 hrs, wheels up and gone. We have Stryker brigades, and at 19 tons they can be moved pretty quick. Drawing down our heavy maneuver brigades is a mistake. I agree with Mc Master and wat he thinks. I think we need UAV’s at sqaud level, and more counter-insurgency training is needed. We cannot afford to throw away money. Wat kind of problems are the Marines having with thier new assault vehicle? Before we go dumping systems that work, we should make sure the ones we need will not fail. The Marines new amphib. looks like a winner, it has great capabilities, and that 30mm cannon is devastating. Lets not think too far ahead.

As an Army intelligence officer I can see the advantages of continuing to field and develop the Future Combat System (FCS) for three justifiable reasons; 1) to mitigate risk to the Soldier, 2) to increase joint connectivity on the battlefield, and 3) to enhance adaptation capabilities to the current and future threats. With 80% of the budget already committed to the program, the Army should consider several potential modifications, a phased schedule of implementation to existing units, and maintaining the Lead Systems Integrator (LSI) throughout the fielding of the systems rather than assign the management responsibilities completely to the Army.

There is an ongoing debate at the congressional level about the anticipated cost of the FCS for our combat Soldiers. Currently the highest Army funded research and development project for AY08 and AY09, many are questioning the justification of such large expenses, potentially approaching amounts as high as 10 billion dollars. As an argument to the estimated cost I would ask the worth of a single Soldier. The ability to mitigate risks to the men and women of our Armed Forces is priceless. The components of the FCS, such as the Small Unmanned Ground Vehicle (SUGV), the Class I UAV or the Micro Air Vehicle, are designed to diminish the threat to the Soldier by providing a picture of the danger prior to encountering it. For this reason, the FCS should continue to be fielded and developed.

The FCS is designed to integrate new technologies, link people, platforms, weapons and sensors, creating an architecture for dynamic joint connectivity and situational awareness. A battlefield comprised of a technologically connected force can lead to extensive advantages over an adversary. With our current systems the Armed Forces face many challenges when it comes to synchronized shooting, moving and communicating. The proposed FCS will assist in decreasing this challenge and allowing for the linkage required to give our Soldiers the enhancements necessary to win our nations wars.

Today’s threat is one of increasing complexity. With the current enemy fighting as insurgents, and the future enemy unknown, it is paramount that the Armed Forces enhance our adaptation abilities to meet our contemporary opposition, and prepare for that which we do not know. Technology is changing at an alarming rate and the Army’s acquisition process must begin to allow for flexibility in the design, modification and fabrication phases so that our Soldier’s are equipped with the most technologically advanced equipment of our times. If we are not adaptable in this arena, we are doing our Soldiers a disservice.

When TRADOC Commander, General William S. Wallace spoke to the Command and General Staff College on 20 October 2008, he emphasized the support for the FCS with some proposed modifications. He specified the added need for Engineers, Human Intelligence (HUMINT) and Reconnaissance Teams. Although a strong proponent for FCS, GEN Wallace highlighted the importance of the Soldier, stating that “the most effective precision weapon on the battlefield is the Soldier”. There are certainly other aspects of the equipment that would make sense to improve. As an example, I believe the program should consider changing the color of the Class I UAV from black to white in order to conceal it better in the air. It also should work on its noise reduction as to not draw attention to it while conducting air reconnaissance and surveillance over enemy terrain. Finally, although primarily a budget issue, the Army should consider maintaining the LSI (Boeing) throughout the project. I argue that an LSI is needed with such a large, complex project and can provide better technical oversight and innovation.

The FCS is no doubt an enormous undertaking with an enormous cost. With the ability to mitigate risk to our Soldiers, increase joint connectivity on the battlefield, and enhance adaptation capabilities to our current and future threats, I have to ask if we can afford not to pursue this system of systems.

Major Blake,

I appreciate your blog, but I disagree with your position. Although I enjoyed the discussion last Monday from General Wallace, I am still under-whelmed at the Army FCS. We need to drop this program immediately. We are wasting valuable dollars for a system conceptualized by General Shinseki, which won’t be fully fielded until 2030. The system costs too much and may be outdated by the time it is fielded. The recon system is poor and a rehash of old systems. Lastly, no contractor oversight exists.

The $300 billion for Army FCS could be put to better use. Every dollar designated to FCS takes a dollar away from current systems. The OH58 and artillery will suffer due to this system, which will be obsolete by 2030. We could use that money to improve current combat systems. I agree we need transformation, but we should be smarter about how we choose to spend our money. I am ashamed as a taxpayer.

The concept was designed before 9/11 and may not be as user friendly to urban operations like many think. Technology will evolve tremendously in 5 years, so the 2030 fielding will put us decades behind other technology. Every change or update pushes the fielding back several years, while simultaneously increasing the FCS budget. This is unacceptable. Additionally, we have not sorted out the contractor maintenance package, so we may have a unique system without support. I know the system will be “user friendly” but every system has issues. We experienced this with other transformation initiatives (Trailblazers, TLQs, etc).

I though we learned our lesson from the AN PPS-5s and REMBASS systems. Why would we spend millions to self place a system, which may be as unreliable as the aforementioned systems?

The LSI issue is dead. Congress voted on it in the FY2009 Defense Bill. We should never let contractors make decisions that are inherently governmental. Additionally, the LSI wanted to circumvent the federal acquisitions guidelines. We can’t do it so why should contractors?

We need to accept our losses and reallocate money to current systems NOW!

Solomon

We need to find the middle ground. Thank God we are training today’s military using ILE — showing soldiers how to think about problems and ambiguity without a templated mentality. COL McMaster is one of my heros. I hope he makes General. The US isn’t spending enough on R&D. When we do it is either feast or famine — again we need to strike a balance. The RMA is too technology centric. Technology is, by its nature, neutral. How we educate and train our military is where the US has the edge. No one else even comes close. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water! Let’s keep our options open. Extremes in any direction are almost always an indicator that we require a re-balancing. Who will mentor the junior NCOs & Officers in a BDE that is Infantry focused — for our specialty functions? We win because we have diversity in our force “mix” and task orginization. Focus on the human factors of Purpose, Direction, and Motivation and giving the soldier the right tools for the tailored mission. Don’t only look at the hardware.

Tnanks MAJ Blake and MAJ Plymate for your great comments.

There does need to be more debate about FCS, but the LSI has censorship provisions in place that require clearing any speech about the program. The problem then becomes that only naysayers get a say. Naysayers often know little about the system and focus on the things that the LSI thinks are most important…the network and software, which are the two areas with the most potential problems.

I am no longer associated with FCS due to a 60% cut in the training budget for this fiscal year. But I still believe in the concept which should tell you something.

Physics and fuel shortages won’t be obsolete in 2030 Solomon. Anti-armor weapons will get stronger; airlift and sealift will not expand in any dramatic way. We must find other ways to detect and defeat threat that we can logistically support and rapidly deploy.

We do need more debate and FCS cuts…but they need to be smart cuts. We shouldn’t throw the concept out with the bathwater.

Fair enough guys. I just hate the fact that we have no control over the system. It is too late for soldiers to make major changes. I know tweaks will occur based on the testing process currently ongoing, but I feel as if we are handicapped by the process. The budget will increase and delays will put the fielding process off until 2031–2 0r 2033? Who knows! I appreciate your comments. I have no sway either way. The decision has been made and I will do my part to ensure its success.

Solomon

I firmly disagree with the thought that it is too late for soldiers to make major changes or have input into the process. The Future Combat Systems (FCS) is benefiting from direct field input today and will through and beyond fielding. Through the Operational Needs Statement (ONS) process, combat commanders in the field provide the Army feedback on shortfalls that exist within the current force. Feedback like this allows the Army to push hard to accelerate FCS capabilities. As part of the Army Evaluation Task Force (AETF) at Ft. Bliss, TX soldiers with current combat experience continue to support TTP and technology development. This is the current test bed for FCS and the inputs arriving from the field. These inputs allow for operational interims to be developed that are fielded as quickly as possible and put into the hands of soldiers in OIF and OEF. This has led to an acceleration of FCS capabilities to meet the gaps of today with the technology of tomorrow. FCS technologies are being proven every day in combat, in the field with combat proven soldiers, and in the labs of the FCS program manager.

This is some great discussion and there is certainly value in tossing around the varying opinions. To address some of the issues, it’s important to note that the fielding of the FCS is evolutionary with spiral developments which means that the endstate is not defined and the requirements (in 2030) are unknown. This allows for flexibility in the design as technology develops and needs arise for future threats. The FCS will also consist of spin-outs which will gradually introduce different aspects and components into units before fielding the entire thing. Every component that goes to a unit will have been tested as a prototype, then minimal quantities will be produced until the component is tried and true. If it doesn’t work, it won’t get fielded. Soldiers do have a say, but it’s hard from this end to truly know if the vote gets back to the bean counter.

It may not be the best solution, but I don’t necessarily think we’re headed in the right direction if we keep pouring dollars into old systems that are doomed to breakdown and become obsolete at some point. By the time some of the artillery systems are due to phase out they will be over 100 years old. I think we’re shooting ourselves in the foot if we don’t look seriously, to include allocating monies, at effective systems for our future Army.

I am very amazed at my peers on who is for FCS and who is against. If you are an MI officer searching for that near competitor to make your job easier or a tanker wanting a new toy because your M1 and Bradleys are getting a little old, you are hanging on for dear life to keep FCS. The Artillery and Aviators have lost their big projects; now it is time for some more. $160–200 Billion to equip 30% of the Army?

There are some in the military that seriously need to fully pull their head out of the sand and accept our future conflicts will be very similar to what we have been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What we do not need is an overpriced, over hyped FCS system that remains technology-centric. Technology can’t replace the Soldier; technology can enhance the Soldier. But, most of FCS technology barely exists. The “sprials” and “spin-outs” are nothing more than to get some basics to the troops to “prove” FCS is doable. The “flying beer keg” might show me that somebody is behind a wall, but is the sensor telling me if he is a bad guy or not?
Where in FCS do they discuss the need for the Soldiers to man and cover the sensors and senor fields? All technology still needs Soldier overwatch. How about the unmanned ground vehicle carrying the rucksacks that can’t make it through the ditch or over the fallen tree?
Most of the bigger FCS “toys” are great to go fight the Fulda Gap or DS 1/OIF 1 (first 3 weeks of Iraqi Freedom that is) all over again as long as we stay as far away as possible from urban areas and people. To me, that doesn’t look possible if we are going to be engaged within the “gap.”

FCS is way too expensive of system relying heavily on technologies that haven’t been developed and still doesn’t do what we need it to do. However, it looks great in recruiting ads and promotional videos. It is a leftover Cold War relic.

Why do we need more blue water ships, another strike fighter, FCS solely programmed to fight a near-competitor opponent that is 15–20 years in the future instead of concentrating on the next 10–14 years. Many in the Army are pushing FCS solely on the basis that the Navy and Air Force got new toys and the Army did not.

Before we pay and hope for FCS, how about concentrating on a replacement for the M4; a small arms weapon improvement for the M249 SAW; increased treatment and funding for the VA; additional resources for families; resetting and refixing our current equipment?

Another question is what and where is the additional money for the non-FCS units (otherwise known as the remaining 65–70% of Army units that are not scheduled to be FCS-equipped units)? This great expenditure for only 30% of the Army?

Defense contractors need the big, high-value programs (FCS, Blue Water ships, joint strike fighter aircraft, etc.)where they can send cost overruns through the roof and engorge their pockets equal to Big Oil.

MattM: “Technology can’t replace the Soldier; technology can enhance the Soldier. But, most of FCS technology barely exists.”

This sounds like people back in the 1940s saying that jet engines weren’t worth developing because they would require thousands of dollars before they’d be useful, and we could do the same job by purchasing another ten thousand B-29 and P-51.

MattM said:“The Artillery and Aviators have lost their big projects; now it is time for some more. $160–200 Billion to equip 30% of the Army?”.…..

“Another question is what and where is the additional money for the non-FCS units (otherwise known as the remaining 65–70% of Army units that are not scheduled to be FCS-equipped units)? This great expenditure for only 30% of the Army?“
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So you recommend that we do nothing to modernize the Army until such time that we must upgrade 66% or 100%.

As MAJ Blake points out, FCS spin outs are going to the Infantry BCTs now and Heavy BCTs later…nearly the entire Army and Joint force will benefit from FCS technology.
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MattM: “Why do we need more blue water ships, another strike fighter, FCS solely programmed to fight a near-competitor opponent that is 15–20 years in the future instead of concentrating on the next 10–14 years.
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The past 8 years have cost as much as $10–12 billion a month. The cost of war in dollars won’t be cheaper in the future, because M1 tanks and F-35s will still be burning lots of fuel at much higher prices. Much of current wars cost is due to fuel expense for both ground and air forces. Joint aviation fuel represents 70+% of the total DoD fuel. COL(BG?)McMaster could point out that reliance on RMA airpower, even ignoring limited ability to find hidden targets, is a losing proposition due to future cost of warfare with predicted rises in fuel costs as demand outstrips supply. But the ground force can do its part to keep down training and O/S fuel and maintenance costs, as well.

A mounted combat system medium tank does not burn 500 gallons every few hours in the local training area, and can exploit its embedded training simulation to train while stationary. A medium tank that shares 80% of its parts with other manned ground vehicles will be far less expensive to maintain and operate.
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MattM: “Many in the Army are pushing FCS solely on the basis that the Navy and Air Force got new toys and the Army did not.“
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Suspect from reading COL℗McMaster’s article that he is rightfully concerned that many RMA true-believers subscribe to the airpower-can-do-it-all philosophy. He realizes that if we face the “fog of war” at ground level, that it won’t be any easier to find targets at 25,000′. The idea that we can take out key nodes from the air and the enemy will stop fighting has been disproved by 7 years of continuing conflict.

Clearly an FCS force can fight an insurgency because its vehicles, except the tank replacement, are better protected across the board than the legacy heavy, Stryker, or light force. It has more infantry to cordon and search, patrol, and occupy combat outposts and checkpoints. It has a smaller, less frequent logistical tail that insurgents have repeatedly ambushed. And its unmanned assets will improve our ability to safeguard convoys and find hidden IEDs.
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MattM:“Many in the Army are pushing FCS solely on the basis that the Navy and Air Force got new toys and the Army did not.“
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All services got into the current pickle due to the Clinton procurement holiday. Continuous modernization of all services precludes a larger bill coming due at some distant date when nothing will be cheaper. Spin outs now, will help us win the current wars and improve future combat equipment through lessons learned in combat.

Compare FCS to the USAF KC-X, KC-Y, KC-Z approach to modernizing 1/3 of the fleet in equal $35 billion segments totaling well over $100 billion when you add inflation (or buy Boeing). Obviously it costs more to equip 1/3 of the Army than all aerial refueling tankers over the next 40 years. But do we need so many tankers if we buy fewer than 1760 USAF F-35s?

All services must take some cuts to maintain some modernization across the board. Personally, I could envision:

1) decreasing the number of USAF F-35s to 1,000 and keeping the A-10 and buying more Reapers to cover the difference,
2) cutting the number of carriers, and
3) reducing FCS brigades from 15 to 9 with a third of the BCTs on standby as ready brigades at any given time in line with ARFORGEN.
4) Getting the Marines to come on board with FCS vehicles instead of EFV and LAV.

Spin out FCS technology to the refitted heavy BCTs and upgrade light BCTs with JLTV. This kind of compromise will let all services modernize in coming tighter budget years.

I am new to the FCS conversation and there is more I would like to see of the ongoing process, but I support the system. History paints a picture of change, but some of this change had a higher price than any cost of any system or system of systems. The cost I am referring to is the cost of one life. If I can employ Soldiers and save a life with the combination of sound strategy, doctrine, tactics, and technology, I am sold. Most of history is reactive when it comes to many past revolutions in military affairs, but there are times where a nation developed tactics and/or equipment that no one could defeat and they won with overwhelming success. I feel FCS is postured to do this. The debates will continue, but the players from our chain of command, Congress, Boeing and the military members directly involve with the FCS, must develop the most effective/efficient systems, in a timely manner, meticulously using every dollar.

The systems must be effective and efficient because we do have some good systems in the Army so why would we develop something, with less protection, less mobility, less range, less connectivity? We can not build systems to only fight the “last war” or OIF/OEF for us. The effectiveness must include the ability to operate in most regions of the world and in full spectrum operations. Connectivity is very important, but there must be redundant communications to ensure that a Soldier always has communications. This is where our tacticians and the Boeing technicians must exhaust every means to produce relevant systems.

Time stops for no one. Conceptually the FCS can give us the leading edge in military technology, but if the process takes too long we will have a good system that will be equivalent to comparative nations at best or as done in the past with new equipment a little behind. This does not mean we lose our super power status, but why not continue to ’lap‘ (a track term) all other competitors?

The price is huge. Why shouldn’t be? You can not do something to leap in the future of war and expect to pay low prices, but this is no excuse to waste even a penny. In fact, Boeing and the Army must make hard decisions to save as much money at every possible turn and ensure most money is used specifically for the FCS at the greatest extent. I will give an exaggerative example. The paper used for marketing should be only used for what is necessary. If people want details invite them to the website.

There are many future changes for our great nation the need for someone to support and defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic is not one of them. Most of our major combat systems are decades old. The effectiveness, efficiency, timeliness, and smart use of money can facilitate the FCS program accomplishment of known and unknown requirements concerning the Army.

whould you please explain me caraecteristics of armor ceramic roughness?

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http://www.esnips.com/doc/79c22395-7bd6-4299-92db-cf392e381698/kutiman—this-is-what-it-became

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