Democratic Think Tank Calls for Big Weapons Cuts

Democratic Think Tank Calls for Big Weapons Cuts

Blueprints for a future military are piling up fast in Washington, D.C. It seems like not a week goes by that a new report isn’t released by one think tank or another with the hope of grabbing the attention of defense aides with the incoming Obama administration. While some of these reports are eminently discardable, others actually have some value, if not for their prescriptions, then at least for who wrote the report.

An example of the latter is a new report titled “Building a Military for the 21st Century,” put out by the Center for American Progress, a largely Democratic staffed think tank that is also pulling double duty with the Obama transition team. For that reason alone it might carry more weight than others. So let’s unpack this one.

The report, authored by Larry Korb and others, could be called a “progressive” agenda, as it aims to rein in “out of control” defense spending and calls for cutting the familiar list of “gold plated” weapons systems dreamed up during the Cold War. A lack of fiscal discipline has created an environment where the services are free to spend as much as they want and buy whatever new weapon they fancy, the authors say.

Perhaps the most important ongoing debates in defense policy circles is over the types of wars the U.S. likely to fight in the future. One camp says protracted counterinsurgency campaigns in failed or failing states on the order of Iraq and Afghanistan will dominate. The other says the military must prepare for full scale conventional fights against a regional power, which really means one of three countries: China, Russia or Iran. The answer to that question reveals where an individual or institution is going with force structure recommendations.

The CAP report comes down squarely in the counterinsurgency and irregular warfare camp. While proficiency in conventional fire and maneuver skills cannot be allowed to lapse, this applies to the ground forces of course, preparedness for stability operations should take precedence.

CAP’s solution for bringing defense spending under control is a little fuzzy. They say pulling troops out of Iraq will save $140 billion over the next two years, although $22 billion will need to be redirected to operations in Afghanistan; much of the hoped for savings will come from cutting or slowing development of costly weapons programs.

The report says continue with the planned 92,000 troop end strength increase in the Army and Marine Corps, but don’t allow recruitment standards to drop. The authors don’t provide any real good answers on how to solve that problem other than upping financial incentives. They also don’t explain how Defense is supposed to deal with skyrocketing personnel costs, particularly health care. Rising personnel costs will drive up the defense budget, unless force strength is cut. The CAP report’s failure to lay out a proposal for dealing with personnel costs is a serious shortcoming.

As for programs: Army reset should be fully funded. The Army’s Future Combat Systems program should be slowed, its budget cut by a third over the next four years and FCS equipment should only outfit 10 brigades instead of the planned 15. The Army should substitute MQ-1C Warrior drones for a new armed reconnaissance helicopter.

Aircraft: End production of the F-22 Raptor at 183 aircraft. Slow development of the F-35 JSF until it’s fully proven in flight tests. Any potential “fighter gap,” real or imagined, should be made up by buying more Block 60 F-16s. Cancel the Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey program, but the Air Force should buy more CV-22s for the special ops community. Build more C-17s at the rate of five a year over the next four years. Build the KC-X. Develop and build a new long range bomber.

Shipbuilding: Cancel the DDG-1000 program and build 2 Arleigh Burke class DDG-51s destroyers a year over the next four years. Continue the plan to build 16 LCSs over the next four years. Keep building Virginia class attacks submarines at the rate of one per year. Build the CVN-78 Ford class carrier, but then delay carrier construction for five years. Cancel the LPD-26 amphib, and while you’re at it, cancel the Marine Corps EFV program, Inchon style amphibious assaults are a thing of the past.

Missile Defense: Cancel unproven systems such as Airborne Laser, Kinetic Energy Interceptor and Multiple Kill Vehicle. Halt deployment of ground based systems, including stop building sties in Poland and the Czech Republic. Continue development of low risk programs such as Aegis and Patriot PAC-3.

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Hasn’t this idiotic group been discredited enough already?

Why would anyone place ANY stock in anything they say?

Cause the Democrats are in charge now?

Agree with almost everything they recommended. What else would you expect from Lawrence Korb and company…the guy with the most experience of any of the “Center of” guys.

Korb served under Reagan through 1985…apparently the ideas are embraced by Obama’s team and sound like the kind’s of things that Sec of Defense Gates has pushed.

I’m more optimistic about the Obama administration and future defense budgets than I’ve ever been before.

More of the same ole same ole. This report is a dud.

Global threats will determine weapon decisions.
Cost will dictate prudence in spending but the cancellation of systems that give us superiority is suicidal, “Peace through strength” is wise and prudent. Inducting non high school grads and training them up-front would be a boost to numbers and would provide motivated soldiers.

The problem is that there is no more money. The economy is in melt down. Wall Street, banking, manufacturing, deteriorated infrastructure, and space program are all in total disarry. We cannot continue to spend hugh sums we do not have, unless we morgage the futures of our grandchildren. Something has to give or we will be on the scrap heap of history.

And while they are stripping the Marine Corps of it’s resources, why not just get rid of them altogether. Better yet, we’ll all go back to wearing coonskin hats and shooting smooth-bore muskets.

This is Jimmy Carter ineptitude with a Bill Clinton ego. Clinton closed so many military bases in California like Mare Island, Treasure Island, and the Presidio Army Base. These bases have become ghost towns, and just so Clinton could say he had a budget surplus when he left office.

I agree Don, like CVN-76, the USS Ronald Reagan, “Peace Through Strength” is the only way the world will have reverence for us.

What’s the point? The barbarians are at the gates and Obama and company are unlocking the door.

The difficulty of coming up with a steady solution is a difficult one. Here are the facts; that there is an enemy that is constantly evolving; we have a military force that needs to transform in order to defeat the current threat while maintaining its conventional capability; we are in the midst of one of the worst economical breakdowns in this country’s history; and we are fighting a two front war. Understanding that there will be some budget cuts of some type, I hope that the CAP takes into consideration on the common factor that affects the three facts listed and that is the American Soldier. The American Soldier is the one that is placing his life on the line for what he loves dearly (this great nation). The American Soldier is dealing with the haphazard of the economy while defending this great country. The American Soldier is fighting today’s adversary and will be eager to engage a future adversary. I hope that the CAP keep in mind when time to make those “costly” decisions, don’t demoralize the organizational base that has enabled this country to become as powerful as it is.
Chris Washington
ILE Student
Ft Leavenworth, KS

ALL
Just a note.
1. The site is not discredited enough. The site is the mainstay for the Obama Nation To Be.
White Paper emanate from this Podesta Think Tank like Tsunamis. If one goes to the Change​.gov, and compare the inputs there to the Center for American Progress, one can not but be convinced that the upcoming admin is getting its direction from this site.
2. If we, the USA Electorate are to continue the path we have chosen, then we need to follow SUNTZU advice… Know your adversary. We will not get truth from the MSM, so our only alternative is to READ THE DATA from our adversary.
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Recruiting: Easier while the economy it tight.

Programs: Subject to the whims of a Democratic Congress and some of these programs are pet projects. They may not care about the defense of the country but they DO care about programs for their constituents.

Let’s give this administration a chance before we start burning the man in effigy. This report comes from an institution that does not fully disclose it’s funding and from an author that at one time was a part of senior management at a major defense contractor. I would like to see the full report and justifications for the cuts. Does anyone know if the report is published on the net somewhere?

The problem is that there is no more money. The economy is in melt down. Wall Street, banking, manufacturing, deteriorated infrastructure, and space program are all in total disarry. We cannot continue to spend hugh sums we do not have, unless we morgage the futures of our grandchildren. Something has to give or we will be on the scrap heap of history.
ALL
Succintly stated. The DEBT of the TOTOAL USA Electorate is trillions of dollars. The VALUE of the USA DOLLAR continues to deteriorate. BASIC ECONOMICS tells us the USA is in trouble. Budget fixes, just like our own checkbooks and incomes, works but is difficult.
ALLOCATION of existing revenue IE TAXES paid by you and me, to the DOD, HUD, HEW, MEDICARE, SSN, etal is the problem. We have just so much funds to spend and the eternal question, WHO GETS HOW MUCH.
The USA has to spend, by legislation, MEDICARE, SSN, PAYROLLS to civil servants, and other entitlements programs. (See the site USASpending​.gov for specifics).
Point is, can we legitametaly excise a certain amount of funding from the various US Gov agencies to DOD without gutting the READINESS POSTURE. Logistics tells us, DOD folks MUST have BEANS, BULLETS and OIL.….
The debate will go on.
The upcoming Admin has a solution.
PRINT MORE MONEY.….
Will this do the trick and save us all
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Why just blame Obama and the Crats? What happened to the Repos and what did they do for the last 8 years. I am an American. The services performed for me by the last 10 administrations has been abominable. The nazis from the second world war are still here controlling everything…wake up …this pilgrim knows the score amen? Read an article I posted on Thanksgiving 2007.…

Much has changed in America since Lincoln’s Proclamation on Thanksgiving…and much is still the same….we are now a Godless nation…our industry has been defiled and raped….our national treasures depleted…and our valiant warriors still go on in the battlefield! Does anyone under the age of 50 even think of God? What does Thanksgiving mean to anyone and everyone in America today? ..Is there still a “chicken in every pot and a car in every garage”? What has happened to the greatness of this land and it’s leaders?

A Christmas Prayer
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“O God, when I have food,
help me to remember the hungry;
When I have work,
help me to remember the jobless;
When I have a home,
help me to remember those who have no home at all;
When I am without pain,
help me to remember those who suffer,
And remembering,
help me to destroy my complacency;
bestir my compassion,
and be concerned enough to help;
By word and deed,
those who cry out for what we take for granted.
Amen?

Stop squealing like a herd of seal and be an American first and a party member almost never. My heart is aching for this country and iit’s people. The land of the Free and the Home of the Brave…yeah, we are…but, what of oour leaders??? Put them all in headstock, I say…

Cole: I wouldn’t expect anything else from Larry Korb. He’s been saying the same tired things and using the same worn analyses to come to these conclusions for years. I must side with pfcem this time. Whether CAP or CDI the notes are resoundingly similar. I don’t necessarily disagree with every recommendation, some are good. It’s just that they’re about 10 years old. Let’s see some unconventional thinking going into rehaping our military.

Dsueii, really don’t know much about Korb but the Reagan executive experience cannot be discounted. Whoever made the recommendations, they seem to have Obama’s ear, and I think many make sense…to include my favorite program’s FCS recommendation:

FCS: Save $4.8 billion by 2013 by slowing FCS and cut from 15 to 10 brigades to save future money. Keeps the capability at reduced level. Spins out systems to help win the current wars while adding time to perfect the network and software and get manned ground vehicles right. Though I love MQ-1C, not sure about replacing ARH with Sky Warrior. Convert all AH-64A to AH-64D first and you get manned-unmanned teaming that proved itself in Task Force ODIN in Iraq with Afghanistan soon to follow. (see new Army Times news)

USAF:
Cutting F-22 saves $12 billion. Delaying F-35 to test saves $15 billion, but may not need the F-16 Block 60 or F/A-18s, but Reapers make sense. Buying not 20 more C-17s but 40 more cost just $12 billion…the savings by stopping the F-22. Buying some next generation bomber research with the F-35 savings makes sense because they don’t need forward airfields in the Pacific, which are vulnerable.

Navy:
Cancel 2 DDG-1000 and buy 8 DDG-51 with better air missile defense capability and save nearly $3 billion to boot. Buy one Virginia class sub per year instead of 2 saves nearly $3 billion. Delay new Carrier by 5 years to save $4.5 billion. Use all these savings to buy more littoral combat ships costing $9 billion. Savings and costs nearly equal and piracy and the straits of Hormuz argue for the latter.

Marines:
Buy more prepositioning ships (or joint high speed vessels) and pull up to a friendly dock sooner and with more combat effective, no compromise ground vehicles carrying fewer troops and with a V-hull: i.e., buy FCS manned ground vehicles like the Army and cancel EFV…a 10 foot tall huge target with a flat bottom, not enough armor, and 70K lbs! Plus the ships can’t survive at 25 miles and at greater distance the EFV runs out of gas and any semblance of surprise. Inchon was 1950. Trying to relive that and island hopping is not next-war-itis, it’s historical war irrelevance and nostalgia.

V-22 can lift 2,800 lbs (11 Marines, not 24)at 10,000′ (Afghanistan)density altitude compared to UH-60L 5,600 lbs (11 Marines plus 2,900 lb external load) at 1/6th the V-22 cost.

Other items mentioned that brought sad realities into focus:

With 38% of total DoD force structure, the Army has endured 64% of total DoD force deployments to Iraq and 68% of deployments to Afghanistan.
Avg Army tour length: 12 months compared to 8 months for Marines, 5 months for Navy, and 4 months for Air Force. You can stand on your head for 4 months.

Personnel costs: A Navy Lt Cdr with 12 years could make up to $121,000 more in bonuses/incentives than an Army Major Infantry officer who gets none. Army AH-64Ds were responsible for 71% of enemy casualties in Iraq in 2007 according to Boeing. Some aircraft carrier rotations, with 5,000 sailors on board, were in theater for many months and didn’t drop bomb-one in Iraq.

The study also points out the big savings that could fund other projects to be found in Missile Defense.…up t $25 billion!! European missile defense to stop Iranian missiles is dumb. We nuke Iran if they nuke Europe or Israel and they know it. That alone is deterrent both there and in North Korea.

We never fight the big one with China or Russia for the same nuclear reasons. Recall that Sec of Defense Gates was CIA Director for years and a Minuteman officer. Seems to me he would know if either country posed a conventional threat or had first strike aspirations/capabilities that we couldn’t handle…especially now that Russia has seen what Georgia aggression did to its stock market…and China already knows who its best current and future customer is.

ALL
Center for American Progress​.com
This site is Obama’s Progressive Think Tank
Originally set up for Hillary but easily trainsistioned to Obama.
Provides 90 percent of the white papers for him. Read his Change​.gov site. The data there is simply reprints of the Ctrs for American Progress site.
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I totally agree with cutting back on some of the exotic weapons systems which have not been tested or, in many cases, even requested by the services. The most important thing for the bureaucrats and politicians to remember is that even the best, most sophisticated weapon in the world is nothing but a doorstop (or landfill) without the people to operate it. That is something they have forgotten about when they approve some of these things just to curry favor with the big defense contractors and buy votes.

RetVNVet
As a Warrior from the now won, but still being debated, Cold War, I looked forward to upgrading my old Korean and in some cases WW2 gear. Avionics especially. I still recall cussing the old Avionics equipment that could not talk to the USAF because they were using Ham Gear, sold right off Radio Shack shelves.
Money spent for “High Tech” gear, if properly monitored for corruption in processes, is money well spent. Stealth technology, expensive yes ‚actually saves lives. Ask a F14 driver if he would have chosen a F22 or an old F4J to work the Saddam Air spaces prior to 2003.…
Stealth, Adv. avionics, bigger engines, VSTOL, STOVL, all are systems that take YEARS to design, build and operate. The LCC process is beyond discussion, because the facts are hidden in the analysis. A short, pithy paragraph does not touch on the complexities of the “Design to build ” Process.
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ALL
One final word, for me, on the Center for American Progress. This think tank is not PRO DOD nor is it PRO Defense. Check the funders for this outfit. You will find the Anti War sites Code Pink and others right in there.
The White Papers are full of the Aesopian Lingo, dedicated to obvuscate and obscure the details. There stated goal, years ago, is to gut the DOD, end the Free Enterprise systems and invoke what we have so blindly elected.
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“This think tank is not PRO DOD nor is it PRO Defense”

Gosh, Anon, maybe that’s because they’re Pro-*American*?

And that sometimes furthering America’s interests means not giving the DOD or the services every last tiny little thing that they demand in a time of–just to choose a random example–severe economic crisis?

I have to admit a small portion of this report makes sense…but only a very small portion.

First, reducing funding for the Army’s FCS program. The entire concept is a fantasy relying too much on an information network which will do nothing but overwhelm the Soldier executing the mission on the ground. The fact the contractor and the Army are trying to re-package the system as the be-all intelligence/war fighter for the COIN fight is laughable. The only required network for COIN is the person-to-person network generated on the street in the enemies’ back yard. That said, the network will enhance the war fighter and should continue development and implementation. However, fielding should be limited to the higher echelons for better ISR and multiple information source data processing/dissemination, timely decision making, and large force execution. Program spin offs adding capability to existing systems and allowing them to access the network must continue when they provide a marked advantage over existing capabilities. Above all, the Army must regain its’ atrophied conventional capabilities. Although diminished, it still remains the premier land fighting force in the world yet; it must continually exercise it and prove it. Portions of FCS will help but most will simply hinder overall capability.

Next, the F-22. Reduced funding in the short-run also makes sense but not when the cost to resume production at a later date incurs more overall cost in tooling and expertise. However, the USAF must come to grips with a realistic end strength number based on capabilities, needs, and threat not wishful thinking, greed, or “one-ups-manship.” While I personally believe war between the US and China, Russia, or Iran is unlikely, one cannot definitively discount the possibility. Therefore, the USAF must be prepared for the worst case scenario — a near-peer competitor fight — because the price of failure is just too high. Loss of air supremacy in any fight greatly weakens the entire US joint/combined operational team. If we fail to totally dominate the air, no matter what the level of warfare we are discussing, the resulting inability to fight, sustain, and employ our world-class ISR tips the scale in favor of our adversary. We will find ourselves in a fair fight…exactly the opposite of what the US and the military desires. Now, is the F-35 part of the equation? Would airframe enhancements to existing, proven aircraft like the A-10 and the F-16 do just as well? Perhaps. Besides, another benefit of incorporating the F-22 is its ability to enhance the capabilities of other aircraft in the theater. In short, the F-22 makes all other aircraft better. Thus, in these lean times, I believe it makes more sense to incrementally improve our current fighter/attack fleet.

Now to the current and more plausible, near-term fight — COIN and failed state security. This type of warfare is decidedly land centric. To support, what the USAF needs is a light, cheap attack capability like the AT-6 and the AC-27 gunship. Entire squadrons of these highly capable, off-the-shelf, reliable, easily sustainable aircraft can be on the ramp and in the fight quickly and cheaply. They would carry the fight, decrease operational/maintenance costs, and allow the USAF to relieve stress on our aging and ill-suited fighters and bombers without sacrificing war fighter support. As a service, we must turn over our respective rice bowls and do what is right for the Nation and for the fight. We need purpose-built mission aircraft not one-size fits one fight stretched to cover all fights.

One last thought, all of DoD must re-evaluate and restructure this nation’s procurement system. The current system is abysmal! Congress runs the entire process and decides which systems to buy based on how many districts it affects and its overall impact on garnering re-election. In the end, the services buy what industry wants to produce versus what they really need. The only way a system will get funded in this day and age is to distribute systems components and parts to as many congressional districts as possible. Stop the fighting, stop the wasteful spending, stop the pork barrel add-ons, streamline the system, and get the much needed systems to the war fighter…the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, and Marine currently standing between America and its enemies.

Pretty good arguments USAF SOF Guy and thanks for your service.
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You said:“We will find ourselves in a fair fight…exactly the opposite of what the US and the military desires.“
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The Air Force loves to use the same tired phrases to make a point: Don’t want a fair fight (it already isn’t)…Must gain air superiority before anything else can be effective (what about TBM)…no ground forces have been attacked from the air in fill in the blank years (what about insurgent mortars).

Let’s put aside the cliches and practice some DoD-wide risk management here.

Exhibit A: MAJ F-22 pilot who can kill 100 or so enemy aircraft before he is shot down at 60,000′…and safely ejects. He has never been to Iraq or Afghanistan, nor will he ever likely fight against 100 enemy fighters because few nations have that many and those that do will rapidly lose their airfields.

Exhibit B: MAJ 11B Infantryman (or USAF SOF guy) who has had 3 year-long tours in Iraq/Afghanistan and tends to drive and walk around a lot in enemy territory. He is highly likely to face additional tours now and a decade from now in this era of enduring conflict. He can take out lots of enemy fighters and preserve the lives of hundreds of his men with what he has learned about combined arms and joint warfare.

Exhibit A gets many billions spent on his F-22 and gets 4-month tours enabled by buying excessive F-22s for the threat to fit the desired 1 24-ship squadron per AEF…so he can deploy for just 4 months enabled by 10 AEFs. His odds of becoming a casualty in conflict or peacetime are 1 in 1000. His odds of deploying or getting paid as much as Exhibit B are nonexistant.

Exhibit B is on his 3rd year long combat tour and has hundreds of miles exposed to IEDs and enemy fire on roads and humping hills. His odds of becoming a casualty at 6 feet AGL are probably 1 in 100.

From a risk management standpoint, who should we give more money and troops to make it a fairer fight and share the deployment and combat risk?? Does the ground Major not desire a fair fight for himself and especially his troops?
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You said: “Now, is the F-35 part of the equation? Would airframe enhancements to existing, proven aircraft like the A-10 and the F-16 do just as well? Perhaps. Besides, another benefit of incorporating the F-22 is its ability to enhance the capabilities of other aircraft in the theater. In short, the F-22 makes all other aircraft better. Thus, in these lean times, I believe it makes more sense to incrementally improve our current fighter/attack fleet.“
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The F-22 DOES make all other aircraft better…in its current numbers. Beyond current numbers you are starting to say that the life of Exhibit A, or the F-35 pilot is more important than that of Exhibit B…which simply is not the case.

You are also saying that we can’t get by with F-35s in air-to-air because it would be riskier than fighting with the F-22. Again, it sounds like you are saying we must spend more money on Exhibit A instead of Exhibit B because you wouldn’t want him in too much harms way in a F-35.

What about Exhibit C…the Army Warrant Officer flying around at a few feet to a few thousand in an AH-64D that according to Boeing accounted for 71% of enemy casualties in 2007. What do you think his odds are of becoming a casualty…even an accident casualty trying to land in brown out and avoid wires? Everyone knows that his risk assessment is considerably higher than either Exhibit A or the F-35 driver.

Yet Exhibit A will get $15 billion spent on new CSAR-X helicopter when both yourself and Army 160th SOAR are more than capable of rescuing Exhibit A in the highly unlikely scenario that he goes down…assuming of course he actually shows up in theater, unlike you who I suspect has been there several times.

Again thanks for your service and that of all airmen who have done yeomans work supporting the ground guys with close air support and logistical air support and casualty evacuation. As much as your service is valued, it is not worthy of a more fair fight, though, than the average Infantryman.

Same old Demorats — Clinton Part Two. We’ll have what happened after 8 years of him again only this time it will fall on Osama to cut the militarys throat. Makes sense to cut the one and only thing that stands between the US and the rest of the world.… NOT. Clinton was never in the military and had no respect for it, now Osama. After the Clinton Part One years it took the US at least four years to dig its way out of a hole because of so called cuts for what them deamed more important projects, like welfare and food stamps… So for the Clinton Part 2 years, lets make sure those projects take the front seat along with any other Socialist programs they can think of.… We are in for a long four years. God Bless America and the US Military forces everywhere keeping us safe… Former Marine Sniper — Beirut 82–84.

Any attempt to cut the military in this economy would be fatel. We need to keep people working.

This will lead to another Pearl Harbor and the reality of our men fighting todays Zero and FW– 190’s in old weak Tomahawks and Brewster Buffalo’s.
The democrats want to fight our next enemies “fair fighting” at a disadvantage.
American’s will die or live according to the way this goes.

Like most liberals Obama does not believe in a strong military. You want to make your military as non-threatening as possible. You do everything through negotiations. Even if attacked, you do not respond with force. So we can expect to see very drastic cuts in the military. Obama is even talking about de-nuclearizing our armed forces.

“Like most liberals Obama does not believe in a strong military”

You are aware that liberals won both of the World War IIs? And that Republicans haven’t won a major war since the Civil War?

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