America’s Disappearing Industrial Base

America’s Disappearing Industrial Base

Many Americans will be watching this week to see whether the Bush administration decides to bail out the ailing auto industry as one of its last official acts. Loren Thompson, a defense expert at the Lexington Institute, has written a number of important briefs in the last few weeks warning about the disappearance of American manufacturing and the potential long term implications that would have on this country’s future.

Thompson lists some deeply troubling data on the decline of American manufacturing. When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, manufacturing made up nearly 25 percent of the economy, compared to 12 percent today. Today, one third of our manufactured goods come from overseas, versus a tenth in the 1970s. In the past eight years of the Bush administration, the U.S. share of global economic output dropped from 31 percent to 27 percent, while our merchandise trade deficit doubled to $800 billion. Those trends are driven by the erosion of domestic manufacturing and the auto industry is biggest component of that sector.

Thompson, who is no liberal, chides devotees to the Republican economic model that goes something like this: “deregulate everything and then stand back so the market can work its magic.” That model has presided over decline of the U.S. shipbuilding, electronics and steel industries and it’s about to work its magic on the auto industry. “We are destroying the foundation of our economy, not to mention the arsenal of democracy. If America loses what’s left of its auto industry, or its aerospace industry, or its chemical industry, our superpower status will ebb away,” Thompson writes.


America’s aerospace industry remains a global leader because the government shovels money into it to maintain the huge U.S. arsenal. “It gets a lot more money from taxpayers in a typical year than the auto industry is going to get from any federal bailout, and much of the aerospace sector would cease to exist in the absence of government support.” Its not that foreigners are better at manufacturing than we are, they’re just better at protecting their manufacturing base, Thompson says. In 1981, Reagan cancelled subsidies to commercial shipbuilders, by the end of his second term the industry had collapsed, now U.S. trade moves on foreign built ships.

The long term implication is that soon the U.S. will no longer build anything. Most U.S. job growth in this decade has been to provide services to consumers. If the country is ever to get out of this economic mess, it will need an industrial base that can provide goods for a global marketplace. Wall Street has been kneecapped and the consumer is shriveling as jobs and wages are cut. At some point the U.S. must go back to actually making things of value.

As Thompson says, the U.S. needs leaders who grasp that “economic growth generated by making world-class products is more sustainable than growth generated by having lots of lawyers.”

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If the same product can be made more cheaply at the same quality outside the US, than it would hurt American citizens double if the US government were to subsidize American manufacturing of that same product.

Not only would it be a waste of taxpayer money but also the US consumers would end up paying more than they should for the product.

An even worse idea would be to add tariffs and taxes to foreign imports. Not only is this type of reverse subsidy against the conservative principle of free trade, but it suffers from the same two complications as straight up subsidy.

American manufacturing is important, but it needs to be focused in areas and on products where it makes sense and where America truly has a competitive advantages, not a false one.

And American benefits from the exports of manufacturing jobs to other nations in other ways. Usually these jobs coincide with the development and growth of consumers in other nations, which in turn have voracious appetites for a lot of American music, films, and brands.

Part of the problem is that the government refuses to act like an industry customer. Instead, they want to have the benefits of a domestic-production industry without the costs–they want private concerns to eat all the risk, to pay for maintaining production lines in perpetuity in case the Air Force manages to wheedle Congress into buying a few more F-22 this year.

But by Nonspecific Deity, Charismatic Figure, Animist Nature Spirit, and/or Secular Rational Reasoning, we’ll make sure that there are 50% of every conceivable minority working in our assembly areas, and that there are no unlicensed solvents being used, and that every last shaved-off piece of Styrofoam is captured and triple-bagged and sent to the disposal facility where they dump it in a ditch. We’ll kill ourselves, but at least we won’t feel guilty about it, and we’ll leave some good-looking corpses.

He states that de-regulation is the problem, yet give not one shred of evidence to support this theory.
I am interested in knowing the logic behind his claims so please post them.

The De-Industrialization of the US is a myth. The manufacturing output of the US has grown by 67% since 1965 and about 1 to 2% a year. Increasing productivity of the sector has meant more “stuff” can be made with less people and less resources. Therefore as a percentage of GDP it is less, but in absolute terms, output is more. This trend will continue much like that of agriculture in the last century. The makeup of agriculture of the GDP is ~1% and yet the total output per capita in the US is as high as it has ever been.

Brian: You’re advocating the same attitude that Reagan and others held, which is why all our manufacturing has moved offshore. As in, ALL of it. There are no domestic chip factories remaining, other than a scant few prototyping shops.

The result is that we cannot trust any electronic components to be what they say they are. Flash drives come with trojans and keyloggers pre-installed; and that’s even assuming that the chip is what it’s supposed to be! There are instances of flash memory chips being counterfeited BY THE FACTORY THAT MADE THEM–1-Gb chips marked “2 GB” and fitted with a partition that shows “1 GB free, 1 GB used”.

You’re looking at this from a “total dollars spent on things” issue. Yes, with global trade, total dollars spent goes down, and total dollars profit goes up. But there’s a point at which you wake up and realize that if the Chinese closed their ports, the American military would run out of spare parts in about two weeks. Is that really a good situation for us to be in?

The problem is simple.….…You can only except so many foreign goods especially cars! Do most American really believe we have the same access to foreign markets as they do to ours??? As a matter of fact cars are a great example. As many nations have strick limits on how many vehicle that can be imported.…..Yet, the main problem is not the Goverment or even the Car Companies. Its the huge US Consumer Appetite for Foreign Goods! In short its our own fault and we better wake up soon :o( As I like to say its very much like “If you eat to much you’ll get fat”, If you drink to much you’ll destroy your liver, and If you smoke to much you’ll die of lung cancer!!!! Its not that we should quit buying foreign goods. We are just buying to many.….……

WE AMERICAN ARE DOING IT TO OUR SELVES!

the USA’s ability to make “TOOLS” is our biggest
threat to US security. If a country cant “tool-up industry. industry cant happen. we are relying on other countries for our security. Education is a failure. There is no quality science or math systems in place. we are relying on european and eastern countries for our tool technology.

At some point the U.S. must go back to actually making things of value.
ALL
In fact we do make A LOT of things of value.
The best Fast food in the world. The best Electronic play toys anywhere are designed in the Aerospace off line work shops. Games, Toys,Food, and probably the best Garment system the world has ever seen.
Why, you can buy almost anything at Walmart. Trouble is, most of the stuff comes from China, India or points west.
A hard core, manufacturing base envisioned by the article simply does not exist anymore. Go to any factory, anywhere in the US. The TOOLS are made by Germany, and India. The JIGS and the RAW STEEL come from the Pacific rim. These basic elements are the core of manufacturing. True, we do have Process Engineers of note and the automation is impressive. BUT THE HARD FACT IS, the US manufacturing base long ago sold out to the Global market. We are an intregal part of that flow, that process. So to say, we MUST return to the days of greasy old shop floors, no Osha standards, no unions, no automation, piecepart labor, manual trucking, etc. is foolish.
The modern factories of today, bear no relationship to the factories of the 60s.
I know, I lived thru both of these eras, as a Logistician and a Piece Part Laborer.
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The De-Industrialization of the US is a myth. The manufacturing output of the US has grown by 67% since 1965 and about 1 to 2% a year. Increasing productivity of the sector has meant more “stuff” can be made with less people and less resources. Therefore as a percentage of GDP it is less, but in absolute terms, output is more. This trend will continue much like that of agriculture in the last century. The makeup of agriculture of the GDP is ~1% and yet the total output per capita in the US is as high as it has ever been.
ALL
A further comment.
This poster has correct stats.
Productivity is indeed as he states.
Problem is. The products we are making. Do we make hard steel products, Intel chips, shoes,
( like the old Brown Shoe co. did), composite toys, electric cars… the list goes on.
Seems like we make what the consumer wants, as a part of the Free Enterprise system. If the product does not sell, it goes off the boards.
As to the Aerospace industry. It DOES take $$$ from the Gross National Product to build those F22s, F35s, and the Avionics in them. BUT, when the chips are down, the call goes out to the B1 boys, the F22 Alaskan sqdrns, the Carriers with the old F18s and the grunts with the expensive UAVs to save our butts.
Money well spent.
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There is a requirement in law for the SECDEF for consider the health of the industrial base for large defense programs. This requirement seems to have been ignored during the last USAF tanker competition. I would expect the debate on this subject to be very heated should the Air Force elect to try to compete this thing again. It is a very emotional subject and the new administration is likely to have their own agenda.

Aurora: Actually, no; the tanker deal would improve the US industrial base by introducing a completely new domestic widebody concern (i.e. NG fitting out and maintaining airframes procured from Airbus.) Boeing already has (well, HAD) a going concern making widebodies.

DensityDuck, I believe that the majority of the 767 is manufactured and assembled in the U.S. Add the 777 into the mix and the result is the same. As you note, the Airbus aircraft would be assembled outside the U.S.

I don’t want to debate the tanker issue here. My point was that I fully expect the Obama Administration to adhere more closely to the provisions of the law requiring the SECDEF to consider impacts on the defense infrastructure when sourcing the next tanker, or any large defense program for that matter. I recollect a Congressional hearing in the aftermath of the GAO decision on Boeing’s protest last summer when Congressman Skelton pointedly asked Asst Sec for Defense (Acquisition) John Young about the applicability of the law. Mr. Young had that “deer in the headlights” look.

I don’t think the USAF–or any other service–will get a pass on this under the Obama Administration.

Aurora: “I don’t want to debate the tanker issue here.” Well, if you don’t like worms, then why’d you open the can?

And I am directly addressing the “impact on defense infrastructure” issue. The Airbus tanker is not a “foreign product” any more than a Boeing aircraft made from Swiss aluminum and Japanese carbon fiber is a foreign product. As I said, the “defense infrastructure” can only be improved by introducing new manufacturers to the market–unless you’re suggesting that the only thing keeping Boeing alive was the potential for USAF KC-767!

the USA’s ability to make “TOOLS” is our biggest
threat to US security. If a country cant “tool-up industry. industry cant happen. we are relying on other countries for our security. Education is a failure. There is no quality science or math systems in place. we are relying on european and eastern countries for our tool technology.

Bill Wilson
You have noted the core problems. EDUCATION for technical skills. I observe the Mid West and South. Here, the Tech schools focus on farming. Noted in Michigan the Tech schools focus on local farming methods, auto skills. Calif. Seems to be mostly surfing techniques. And the list goes on. NO PLACE can we find a Tool and Die school, teaching the basic metal working or composite working techniques. Without a skills based education process, the labor force entering the highly technical based factories is way behind the power curve.
We need to focus on the basics. Education, skills and opportunities for kids coming right out of High School.
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Density Duck. The airframe for airbus tanker is manufactured Europe and assembled in Toulouse, is it not? How will flying completed airframes for painting, decals, and adding the boom boost the U.S. defense industrial base? It can’t. You’d have an argument if Boeing was biding the 787 as a tanker, but they aren’t and you don’t. Unless you are drinking the “48000 jobs” kool aid from Northrop Grumman.

At this point we’re going to have to close, because you’re arguing that the US industrial base can be improved by engendering a monopoly!

Improved? I’m praying we can keep what we got!

Don’t get me wrong, I’m GENERALLY a free market guy but there are times, there are reasons why protectionism is the prudent course.

It would be dangerous to lose our industrial capability, period. The Detroit automakers are certainly not the most important “defense” industries but they do play an important role.

We should strive to reduce the number of LAWYERS, SHOW-BUSINESS IDIOTS and other bottom-feeders, who contribute NOTHING to society but talk, talk, talk (Barry O anyone?). We do need more engineers, mechanics, etc.

If we lose all heavy industry, we will lose our independence and sovereignty and the dream of the one-world government types will come true.

We are creating our own problems.The legal system in the USA has a stranglehold on various market conditions. If your Doctor makes a mistake–sue him, if your car has not been propperly repaired sue your mechanic,if you are accidently injured sue, sue,sue,sue!!!We ARE INNONDATED WITH LEGALISM IN EVERY FIELD OF BUSINESS OR PROFESSION. THE LAWYERS ARE MAKING AND TAKING A FORTUNE OUT OF SOCIETY WITH ALL
THESE LAWS AND THE INSANE AMOUNT OF CLAUSES AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND PENALTIES. Don’t think so??!! LOOK AT THE BACK OF YOUR CREDIT CARD STATEMENT OR ANY OTHER FINANCIAL DEVICE. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO READ IT, BUT ALSO FOLLOW IT OR ELSE!!! Democracy cannot flourish under the sheer amount of LEGALISM GENERATED BY ANY ENDEVOUR OR PROJECT. In the end the lawyers will get it ALL, AND I DO MEAN ALL!!! This may be the end of the american dream. If you don’t
believe me call my lawyer and he might be able
give you an answer, when he comes back from his summer home in Italy. Over and Out.

I remember the days where Cadillac was the de facto of quality and elegance, the All-Star shoe was the only basketball shoe, our airplanes were the best of the best…don’t forget, we invented Internet and we offered it to the world on a silver platter…The world is so ungrateful…then the ladder started slipping. Thanks God our military is still the best and will remain the best. Globalization doesn’t mean selling the farm. We do not know how to protect our intellectual assets. Our kids will suffer for sure.

The education issue isn’t just restricted to the US. Here in Australia we’re facing similar issues and problems with regards education and heavy industry — and this problem is also becoming more of a problem in many of the Western countries. You know your technical base is in trouble when the help desk is located in India or Pakistan as most of our banks and IT specialists now are. While rolling back the clock isn’t possible it is time we the consumers in the Western world turned around and said enough is enough. There are too many lawyers and bean counters telling others what, when and where they should buy their products.

Way to go,this is what it takes to be an American,
talking leads to ideas and action. Only the best for the u.s.a. .

When a worker can be paid up to 80% of his/her pay for not going to work, I think we have a problem. Unions were good when America began the industrial revolution, but they are a hindrance to growth, to work ethics and to the American Population as a whole. Make a person work for their money, and maybe just maybe we’ll come back as a vital country again.

I think the issue they did not hit on was the World Trade Org additions of China in the past decade opened the doors to allow this mass shift by US Corporations cashing in on the cheaper labor. It caused an imbalance in our economy. It caused our wealth and natural resources to be exported. It astounds me that the Congress has not gotten it in their heads that the main problem is poor trade policy. Look at the trade deficit.

It is sad to see U.S industry desintigrate before our eyes.I believe that this downfall of good industrial jobs also contributes to the housing crisis. As far as defense related programs go, would you want microchips for our defense computers or weapon systems to be made in China?

Well, Duh?
Out sourcing and deregulation have been making the fat man fatter and squashing everybody else for along time-now, we have poisoned Chinese toys, pharmaceuticals, faulty electronics, major growth in a “Walmart Economy”, while the bottom falls out of our own dollar barrel. Protective tarriffs would have been a lot better than de-regulating the SOBs who are importing this junk. But now, Boy George, behold-foreign concerns even own most of our military hardware-You-BAE owns the Bradley! Protective tarifffs would have protected our weapons, our kids, our jobns-and ensured quality products that would have won out over Chinese Junk-but now, we have to start all over again in the face of devalued Chinese currency and world monopoly of many products (vitamin C, for instance-nothing but Chinese vailable)-the only thing we didn’t deregualte was teh OSHA adn EPA requirements, which also makes out sourcing lucrative-however, if one outsources to apolluter like China, shouldn’t the Importer be held liable for environmental excursions??

… So many great, thought provoking comments. I love this country! My take, from the viewpoint of a seasoned aerospace engineer … 1. The blending of Capitalism and Socialism is a core reason for the apparent “failure” of what we have been calling “free markets”. 2. No tool & die makers is a key indicator of our dependency on someone else to do the critical work. “Dependency” is certainly not “Independency” (so much for 1776). 3. I concur that relying on foreign producers to provide components of military equipment is a huge national security problem (seen it personally). 4. If we can’t independently convert raw ore to usable product, then what good are we? Why then does the world need America? To buy toys?!

“Thompson, who is no liberal, chides devotees to the Republican economic model that goes something like this: “deregulate everything and then stand back so the market can work its magic.” That model has presided over decline of the U.S. shipbuilding, electronics and steel industries and it’s about to work its magic on the auto industry. “We are destroying the foundation of our economy, not to mention the arsenal of democracy. If America loses what’s left of its auto industry, or its aerospace industry, or its chemical industry, our superpower status will ebb away,” Thompson writes.”

Yeah, with this I have to agree. I have seen us go from “sugar to s–t”, in a short period of time. You know, for those who defend this practice of the Reagon years need to know one thing, there are a lot of Americans still alive that remembers what it was like before this practice was instituted. You can’t say the above is not true, you can’t justify it, and you sure as h–L can’t convince us that it is not happening, there is no justification, there is no explanation, cause we see it and live it everyday.

I had my reservation about helping out the auto industry at first, I still don’t like the idea of doing it now, cause I know what caused it, greed. But the fact is, we cannot allow this industry to fail even if it is their own fault, and of course the fault of this vile practice. There is too much at stake. For those of you that think it is Un-American to help out, I say to you, it is YOU that is Un-American, cause no true American would allow this to happen.

The essential problem of the free market for the US is that while we provide the capital and the consumption, we don’t provide the means and the raw materials. That means that our economy is based on fundamentally on profiting off cheap off shore labor. We add a few things like logistics and services, but generally in terms of manufacturing, we are the capitalist investors and the rest of the world is doing the work. That would be an okay solution if there was economic equality for all parties, but the ongoing inequities just fuel our enemies. Improving educational opportunities, and investing in our infrastructure will hopefully move us out of being an nation of McJobs and blood suckers at the top who skim off the fat of others work.

Our CEOs outsourced American jobs with the same sense of responsibility enjoyed by most con-artists. They took our jobs and gave us back shoddy Walmart merchandise, poisoned toys, drugs, and gave our money to countries where environmental and worker safety and health aren’t even on the horizon. Sure, the books are blue, but it’s obviously ephemeral. Pity, no one really got concerned until we started losing our weapons makers, huh?

Let the revolution begin.

This is all on BILL CLINTON (NAFTA)

I have also seen my beloved country go from sugar to s&*^ in the past 15 years. Manufacturing is or used to be a critical element of this economy. We and I stress the word “We” are allowing jobs that were once right here in the homeland to be outsourced to other countries. The killer is simple thus far our elected officials have not made one iota of fuss about this very issue. It very rare to see “Made in America” any more and that’s very disturbing to me. When you look at computer parts the majority are not made in the USA, it makes wonder about defense issues.
I hate to say it but we have become our own worst enemy and are simply contributing to our own decline, “if we don’t get our head out of our fourth point of contact”

In the American society we expect more than this from our elected officials. We all work everyday and do our best to keep up with the issues of our times, but we elect and pay our politicians to lead and protect our Country. Needless to say, they have not done a very good job of balancing import/export trade, or taken into consideration the Nation’s defense industry, the industrial base, nor the affects of an open global economy on the US if we are so strict on EPA regulations, Union wages, or even fair wages, and the affects they have us. It really is sad. This has mainly come about because people that are allowed to vote are to ignorant to elect wisely and vote for the wrong reasons. Communist should be swaggering over how stupid this Country has become! Because they may be correct, that is, if we don’t educate our youth better. In most States we don’t even pay our educators enough to get by, and that may be deliberate by our elected officials just to keep our children in the dark. Why? So that they can continually be stupid enough to keep electing them into office and keep selling out our Country. We can stop this vicious cycle by attracting better educators. That is what can save this nation and it will take a number of years to do so, I’d guess about 20 year to turn it around, and that’s optimistic. Ross Perot was right!

Dr. Thompson has written some really quality papers on thorny acquisition issues and he’s often correct in my opinion. I believe he’s correct on this one too. The comments here are mostly good. We do need better educators and we need leadership to help the defense industry focus on what they’ve always done better than anyone else in the world to date.

The negative side is that they’ve done this over the last few years with an “on-going bailout” in the form of Cost Plus contracting, massive overruns and extension of efforts by failing to meet scheduled deliveries. $900 billion dollars between 2000 and 2007. Do we want to keep these results going just to maintain in-country production? You tell me.

I believe the answer lies in aggressively and smartly reforming procurement practices in DoD. It’s the key to having both expanded defense industry production, new and better weapons to fit planning scenarios and doing it with valid estimates and on-time deliveries. Am I smoking something? Probably. However, it’s a better alternative to attempt this than to send our defense production overseas.

There are respondents on these DoD Buzz blogs that know how to do this. I’ve read their suggestions and hopefully so will a few Obama change advocates. It can be done.

People.…please. Don’t you ealize taht the wireless hand held drill you use, the electric razor, the lazer, and a myriad of other products that make your life what it is today are directly related to the military Industrial Complex we had. The big three auto makers are a key to the defense of this country as are many other industries.

If we lwt them die, where do we get the supplies to dend our country. From our enemies? Could we trust other nations to supply our needs in time of crisis?

Ask your congressman “What happened to the Defense National Stockpile of Strategic Materials.” The Aluminum, copper, Manganese, Diamonds and many other commodities we had stockpiled for emergency manufacturing have been sold off. Why? Because we have no manufacturing base.

For a close: a little over a year ago I made a conscience effort to buy only items clearly marked “Made in America/USA” and found it nearly impossible to purchase necessities, or pretty much ANYTHING for that matter, that wasen’t imported. I was about 20 years too late in my effort. Not a day goes by that the realization doesn’t stab me at least once. If we’re not our worst enemy we’re running a close second.

it is simple, any company who moves their business over seas should lose their us citizanship. lets see how many well paid president of large companys would choose to sel back its own goods with tarrifs back to their own country.

Kory Trebbin, You took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you!

Does not do much good to have low cost products made out of the US if we here have no jobs to pay taxes to buy them.

“Today, one third of our manufactured goods come from overseas, versus a tenth in the 1970s. In the past eight years of the Bush administration, the U.S. share of global economic output dropped from 31 percent to 27 percent, while our merchandise trade deficit doubled to $800 billion. Those trends are driven by the erosion of domestic manufacturing and the auto industry is biggest component of that sector.”

That is part of the problem, the main problem is we don’t make stuff anymome, we rather have somebody make it for us, thats sloppy and thats not America. If we keep that up there won’t be a U.S. by the time our kids grow up. There was a time when we didn’t depend on anybody for certain products, as of late, it’s like we can’t do without those products, products we use to make.

And another thing, Our Auto industry make economy cars in other countries, why can’t they do that here? That crap about “there is not a market for them” is BS, Thats why Japanese cars are outselling them on their own turf. I saw this new electric car GM plan to build, it look good, but not good enough to pay $40.000 for.

There are a lot of good ideas in the previous comments. I sent the following, somewhat different, proposal to my Congressmen and friends and newspaper recently:

The U.S. Economy

The ‘bobble-heads ’ on TV are talking a lot about the current economic crisis in the United States. They ask, “What can we do about it?”

Our leaders are proposing bailouts and other infusions of money from the top in a band-aid approach to the problems. Those efforts are futile. They attempt to address symptoms – not the problems.

Some of our problems are: unemployment, inability to pay our loans, business inability to get credit, insufficient manufacturing capacity, and the importation of almost everything we buy.

One of the major reasons we have these problems is that, for many years, taxes have made it unwise and unprofitable to invest in the U.S economy. As a result our means of production has moved overseas. Our intellectual power has been outsourced. We have not invested in plants, refineries, and power generation. Anything we buy comes from China. Our loans and our industries are owned by foreigners. Our businesses are closing and our people are out of work and losing their homes. As a nation we are almost ‘down-the-tubes’.

We need a quick and easy fix – and one is available. Abolish the capital gains tax!! Make it worthwhile to invest in refineries, alternate energy, manufacturing, and other job creating business activities. Provide investment credit for mortgages and businesses.

Some politicians will bemoan the loss of current capital gains revenue and the loss of revenue that they will never see if the tax is continued or, as threatened, increased. The ‘losses’ will pale in comparison to the cost of the bail-outs. The creation of real business activity and jobs will generate much more money in the form of income and sales taxes. We will create wealth, not the opportunity to fund bank buyouts, golden parachutes, and mortgage foreclosures. The effect will be long lasting and a benefit for, not a drain on, future generations

Canceling the capital gains taxes would be a tiny step in streamlining the tax code, and a giant step in restoring our confidence in our nation’s future. Let us get back to where ‘Made in the USA’ is something that is possible and something to be proud of.”

BoBRyan, taxes are only one of the factors that adds to the operating costs in the US. The other part is cost of labor.

Everyone knows that labor is outsourced to Asia and Mexico because they are willing to work for half as much as most lower-class Americans aren’t willing (or can’t afford) to work for.

In comes the labor unions. They were originally, and most still are, meant to combat bullying from Big Business and have more fair wages and working conditions. Now we have a lot of labor unions that have gone beyond that and are holding companies and even entire industries hostage, labor unions in Hawaii are especially notorious for that. This is one of the biggest reasons why American automakers can’t compete with the overseas non-union manufacturers… but that’s not move the fault away from their own stupidity with management and marketing. You’d think they’d have learned from the 1973 and 1979 oil crises, and instead we got gas guzzling SUV’s in the 90’s and early 00’s. This right here is economic-Darwinism at work… or attempting to with the bailout in progress.

I propose mixing your idea of lowering corporate taxes (though maybe not so much abolishing) and adding the regulation of unions to prevent them from crippling industries. Add in some kind of monetary incentive for home-brewed labor, tax outsourced labor, and for goodness sakes… watch out for those damned tax loop-holes when instituting these measures. This will move jobs back to the US… more people working, more people to pay taxes. Take that extra tax income, inject another economic stimulus to the lower and middle-class citizens and hopefully they’ll put at least some of it back into the economy.

Rather than abolishing the capital gains tax, how about providing exemptions from that tax if the company invests into those key industries you mentioned. That would provide them with even more incentive, and encourage growth of alternative energy into something that’ll benefit the American public even further.

Abolishing the tax altogether could just as well end up with the corporations keeping the money for themselves, or putting that money into things that doesn’t benefit the American public.

Generally great comments from everyone. We need to ask one fundamental question what is the constant in all of this. Unemployment, inflation, manufacturing, etc. move with the business cycle. There has been only one elephant that grows and grows and slowly destroys…the government. Defense is unique in that there is only one customer…the government.

While not spending enough on defense the feds spend too much and regulate too much in all other areas of the economy.

I find it hilarious that only government can say “this program does not work we need more money or conversely this program works well so let’s expand it”, funny how that works.

I’d say one of the biggest issues, if not THE biggest issue, with defense spending is the fact that the acquisition system is entirely broken. All too often the case is “development costs has spiraled out of control”… that has become the norm, not the exception.

And as far as government regulation… there is simply too much bureaucratic red tape. Take a look at the FCC and cell phone technology back in the 70’s. Cell phone technology was first discovered in the US, and the first patents were issued. However the FCC completely stalled the development and implementation process.

Over five years had passed, and Japan became the first country to implement cell phone technology after the US patents had expired. That became huge money lost for US electronics and communications industries. It wasn’t until the 90’s that US cell phone makers and communications companies were able to catch up and become competitive.

ALL
OK, this is what I get out of the posted comments.
1. A combined economy of Capitalism and Controlled production via fiscal restraints is good, but ornerous.
2. The USA Corporations have sold the basics of production to the world market, and we no longer have control of these processes.
3. Out education system is defunct, allowing the experts abroad to control our economy.
4. Military readiness is suspect, due to sharing production, control of processes, and even the technical details with “Allies” and in some cases, erstwhile enemies.
Now. Consider this.
Circa 1948, the Soviets were our “New Adversaries”, the Academics were instituting new Progressive Era education processes into the school systems AKA John Dewey and his methods. The UN now is the Global cop on the beat, but with no force to deal with problems. The Left has become Progressive, in that the time for a New Era is upon us, IE the USA.
Fast forward to 2001, 9/11, Islam is the New Adversary, we have no intel, education is a sham, armed force is capable, but oriented to a NATO response in Europe, and the Left is in control of Academica K-phd, Congress is in a continual adversarial conflict, no leadership in almost any venue you pick.
Do we see a pattern? Subtle to be sure, but the goal in 1948 was to ALTER, TO CHANGE, TO CONTROL and finally to effect the DEMISE of the USA culture, society and way of liberty life. The goal is almost achieved, in 2008. These posts, given in response to sensing a declining industrial base in the USA, have covered almost every aspect of the elements of that base. ALL agreed that the decline is real.
My post attempts to show the history and just who is driving the decline. The “Left”, defined universally by a set of Fourth International goals set forth in the early 60s are the drivers. No other set of activists have been so dedicated, so sure of their objective, so willing to adhere to a failed set of ideologies, has occurred in history.
Today, we, the USA electorate have allowed this fruition to flower. I hope we are now awake and alert to the true situation.
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America has the capabilities of producing her needs as well as many other needs in the world. Our problem is all industries that move overseas because production is “cheaper” is hurting us even more. Our jobs are disappearing at a great rate and we have people who are qualified who are out of work due to lack of these jobs. Why? I am sure I don’t have the entire “big” picture here but if we were a little less dependent of other nations in manufactured goods and did for ourselves more it would be more of a good thing than a bad one. More independent, more jobs created, less people needing a handout or bailout. These fat cat billionares who pull the strings like puppeteers don’t need the fat salaries that come with many of the jobs. If greed were out of the picture and people were content in making a decent living America would be far better off.

Earlier I alluded to a provision of law that requires the Secretary of Defense to consider the SECDEF to take into account the industrial base for major acquisitions. Here is the applicable language from Title 10.

“The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe regulations requiring consideration of the national technology and industrial base in the development and implementation of acquisition plans for each major defense acquisition program.”

The complete reference is: United States Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part IV, Chapter 144. I hope the USAF and DOD don’t elect to ignore the requirement in the next tanker go-around.

A solution to the decreases in our industrial base will not stop until something is done to make it more, or as, profitable to manufacture products used at home, necessary for our national defense, and desired abroad in the United States.

We must be sure that Congress understands that we do not want to be Global unless we can do so without totally destroying the United States in the process.

Many are against tariffs on imported goods. That is too bad because tariffs must be applied to goods of foreign manufacturers as well as goods of American companies manufactured abroad and imported into the United States.

Tariffs need to be applied so that the cost to the consumer is the same for a foreign product as it is for a domestically manufactured product. Then, the consumer can choose the product he wants to purchase based on quality, suitability for the intended end use, etc.

Controls must be in place and enforced to limit profits and stifle greed. Greed has gotten out of hand in all levels or our society. The big concern is always how can we make more money for less costs.

Companies need to be downsized so that small businesses have a chance to compete in the market place. Competition is the key to innovation and initiative and leads to better products. Where have all of the small town centers gone? Where are all of the mom and pop shops on which we use to rely and frequent as a matter of course?

Big business have gotten out of hand. Businesses are too big, command too much of the market share, control prices, control supply so that they can charge higher prices to meet some undocumented demand, control sources of supply used to support their industries, etc. They also are rich enough and powerful enough to control legislation passage that supports their bottom line.

Corporate farms should not be. Cooperatives worked fine for small farmers to help them get better prices for their products. Now corporate farms are controlling prices and dictating what will be sold on domestic markets and the prices for which the products will be sold.

Often, the corporate farms are the only customers that small farmers can afford to sell their products to. This puts the small farmer at the mercy of corporate interests which are to pay the least price to the farmer possible so that the corporate bottom line is fattened.

U.S. citizens are soon going to have to eat foods produced in foreign countries that are not produced and packaged under the controls and safe guards that control domestic growth, packaging, and storage.

An example is the use of melamine in baby formula made in China that the FDA has decided is in too small of a quantity to be of a concern. Hello!, if there is anything in the product that does not belong in the product and does not provide benefit to the person that consumes the product, it sure as heck should not be in the product.…period! I don’t want my children or grandchildren eating plastic for any reason, especially to accept a Chinese manufacturing process that somehow exists to increase the bottom line of some corporate interest.

Two of the things in our society today that need to go because they no longer provide services that benefit the majority of American citizens. First are trade unions. They have driven wage and benefits so far out of reason that product costs have gone sky high.

Second is the Stock Exchange. It needs to be done away with all together. Without the stock market folks good get a good interest rate at their local bank on their savings. This would provide the bank with resources to lend to its customers and to increase its resources so that it can serve more customers. Banks could then loan businesses the monies they need to operate.

The big benefit to businesses would be freedom from the ever present need to show a profit at the end of each quarter to satisfy stock holders. Stock holders that will abandon a company and put it out of business if it does not make them money.

Constantly worrying about satisfying stock holders stifles a company’s ability to develop new products and improve the ones they have. It leads to reducing the size, quantity, presentation, flavor, durability, of its products in order to provide dividends to the useless stock holders that do nothing for the product or company.

We need Congress people that have the interests of the country at heart, that are truly statesmen/stateswomen and willing to give as much for their country as are our servicemen and servicewomen. I am afraid that, for the most part, we are stuck with a bunch of self-serving individuals that are out to fatten their own pocketbooks.

I am constantly contacting my representatives and letting them just where I stand. We all need to do this and to vote the buggers out of office when they do not represent us in the way we want to be represented.

I think you are thinking like sukrat, but I think you should cover the other side of the topic in the post too…

The Asian nations built their industrial bases by relying on national subsidizaton and protectionism, while our stupid leaders were pursing “free trade” policies.

Now the Asians own world industry and we are $11 Trillion in debt, with no jobs.

Our leaders and economists should be tried for treason.

Look at the civil war —

The South was rich; the North was poorer, but had a huge industrial base.

The South’s money ran out, and the North kept pumping out goods to fight the war.

Look who won. Lose of our industrial base has already weakened the U.S. and made us dependent on China and India.

Don’t subsidise every industry, subsidise research and advancements that make industrial production viable in the U.S.

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