<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Smaller is Better</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:48:44 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jake</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4657</link> <dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4657</guid> <description>People forget the marines are shock troops. They are designed to be fast and deploy anywhere in the world. For the marines, smaller would be better. I personally think marines should be stationed on ships (like true marines) and deploy amphibiously (if possible) or by air. The marines are lacking a small, light air transport that can quickly deploy infantry, take the role of air support, medevac casualties, then extract the infantry. The army should be used as a heavier force that can siege, hold, move, and repeat. all army infantry should also be assigned transports, preferably ground (to work with tanks)and stick with conventional warfare tactics. The marines should be completely mobile and use small, light air transports to deploy and kick ass and get the fuck out of fire.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People forget the marines are shock troops. They are designed to be fast and deploy anywhere in the world. For the marines, smaller would be better. I personally think marines should be stationed on ships (like true marines) and deploy amphibiously (if possible) or by air. The marines are lacking a small, light air transport that can quickly deploy infantry, take the role of air support, medevac casualties, then extract the infantry. The army should be used as a heavier force that can siege, hold, move, and repeat. all army infantry should also be assigned transports, preferably ground (to work with tanks)and stick with conventional warfare tactics. The marines should be completely mobile and use small, light air transports to deploy and kick ass and get the fuck out of fire.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tjm308</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4544</link> <dc:creator>tjm308</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:22:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4544</guid> <description>HELP --- RE the CLAWS Air Defense system --- busted or still in the works???  Got a source I can look at ??</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELP — RE the CLAWS Air Defense system — busted or still in the works???  Got a source I can look at ??</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pfcem</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4534</link> <dc:creator>pfcem</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4534</guid> <description>No, smaller IS NOT better.  What IS better is &quot;the right size fot the task at hand&quot;.  That means you need Divisions, Brigades, Battalions, Companies &amp; Platoons NOT all &quot;one size fits all&quot; no matter what &#039;size&#039; your UOA (Unit Of Action) is.  Being able to mix &amp; match different smaller units to create specialized &#039;task at hand&#039; units is also good but you still need dedicated &#039;fixed&#039; cohesive units.Larger numbers of smaller units produces HUGE overhead &amp; in fact cuts the size of your actual combat forces.  Going from a Division based force to a Brigade based force is bad enough.  The problems increase exponentially the smaller you go.The big difference however is that smaller units within a larger unit can still operate semi-independantly but trying to get a large number of small units to act cohesively as a smaller number of larger units causes all kinds of headaches.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, smaller IS NOT better.  What IS better is “the right size fot the task at hand”.  That means you need Divisions, Brigades, Battalions, Companies &amp; Platoons NOT all “one size fits all” no matter what ‘size’ your UOA (Unit Of Action) is.  Being able to mix &amp; match different smaller units to create specialized ‘task at hand’ units is also good but you still need dedicated ‘fixed’ cohesive units.</p><p>Larger numbers of smaller units produces HUGE overhead &amp; in fact cuts the size of your actual combat forces.  Going from a Division based force to a Brigade based force is bad enough.  The problems increase exponentially the smaller you go.</p><p>The big difference however is that smaller units within a larger unit can still operate semi-independantly but trying to get a large number of small units to act cohesively as a smaller number of larger units causes all kinds of headaches.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4530</link> <dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4530</guid> <description>Seems the military always train for the last war, and forget that there are multiple types of battles in the future. Even one war can have multiple phases, such as the current one in Iraq. The heavies beat their way in, but the small units had to clean out the nests. But what happens if we face our old enemies China or Russia. Or a heavily armore Syria, Iran. THe French had better tanks in 1940 but had them spread out too thin and the Germans walked over them. You have to be able to fight multiple ways, you need the heavies. I have read of sevearl small unit actions in Iraq where the grunts would have not made it out as well if a Bradley or an M1 had not shown up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the military always train for the last war, and forget that there are multiple types of battles in the future. Even one war can have multiple phases, such as the current one in Iraq. The heavies beat their way in, but the small units had to clean out the nests. But what happens if we face our old enemies China or Russia. Or a heavily armore Syria, Iran. THe French had better tanks in 1940 but had them spread out too thin and the Germans walked over them. You have to be able to fight multiple ways, you need the heavies. I have read of sevearl small unit actions in Iraq where the grunts would have not made it out as well if a Bradley or an M1 had not shown up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carlton Meyer</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4527</link> <dc:creator>Carlton Meyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4527</guid> <description>I agree, a Major as CO, a Captain as XO, which allows a 1stLt to remain as platoon leader. Then I&#039;d keep another 1stLt as a platoon leader by putting a Msgt E-8 as weapons platoon leader. http://www.g2mil.com/FewerLts.htmThe Corps does need independent companies for security duty and to guard ships from pirates. This may require a couple dozen extra Marines at the company HQ for intel and logisitcs.I&#039;d convert the weapons company to a rifle company and cadre the three battlion HQs in a regiment on each coast. Then each regiment HQ would train its 12 companies in a rotational deployment cycle, so that 3-4 are deployed overseas to where they are needed. This is easily accomplished by ending the insane battalion deployments to Okinawa where Marine grunts are not needed nor wanted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, a Major as CO, a Captain as XO, which allows a 1stLt to remain as platoon leader. Then I’d keep another 1stLt as a platoon leader by putting a Msgt E-8 as weapons platoon leader.<br /> <a href="http://www.g2mil.com/FewerLts.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.g2mil.com/FewerLts.htm</a></p><p>The Corps does need independent companies for security duty and to guard ships from pirates. This may require a couple dozen extra Marines at the company HQ for intel and logisitcs.</p><p>I’d convert the weapons company to a rifle company and cadre the three battlion HQs in a regiment on each coast. Then each regiment HQ would train its 12 companies in a rotational deployment cycle, so that 3–4 are deployed overseas to where they are needed. This is easily accomplished by ending the insane battalion deployments to Okinawa where Marine grunts are not needed nor wanted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sammyb</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4526</link> <dc:creator>sammyb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4526</guid> <description>listen i believe that what this is saying is very rational an to agree wid tordenskiold.  My brother is going to al ambar in march and he has been in the marine corps for like a year.  I know it may not seem long to u but it feels like forever for me because i love my brother.  When i get older i wanna be able to do the same good he has done and i am gonna be one of the few and one of the proud to defend my country and just do great for everyone</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>listen i believe that what this is saying is very rational an to agree wid tordenskiold.  My brother is going to al ambar in march and he has been in the marine corps for like a year.  I know it may not seem long to u but it feels like forever for me because i love my brother.  When i get older i wanna be able to do the same good he has done and i am gonna be one of the few and one of the proud to defend my country and just do great for everyone</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cole</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4516</link> <dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:08:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4516</guid> <description>Interesting ideas. But consider peacetime maintenance, personnel, and training issues. It&#039;s probably hard enough to manage ARFORGEN of 45 BCTs with 1/3 of BCTs in reset, 1/3 in training, and 1/3 deployed. Now multiply that 45 BCTs by multiple maneuver, reconnaissance, fire support, maneuver support, and sustainment battalions! Now add National Guard and Reserve battalions!!Its simpler to maintain all Strykers, all FCS manned ground vehicles, all HMMWV/JLTV/MRAP-ATV, or all Abrams/Bradley/M109/M113(well maybe not so much in the case of the Heavy BCT) in the same BCT. Some BCTs already use combined arms battalions that mix tank and infantry companies.Semi-recently, Gen Petraeus mentioned a Heavy BCT that had some heavy Abrams/Bradley, some Stryker units, and some light infantry BCT units during the forced construction of concrete barriers in Sadr City. You can always task organize the 2-3 battalions or 3-4 companies therein with other types of battalions/companies in a force-tailored BCT or even division.Example: You could have a heavy Bn task force with 3 M1A2 tank companies and a Bradley company leading a &quot;division&quot; along with perhaps two FCS battalions in a V just behind. That in turn could be followed by the remaining FCS BCT battalion,and a Bradley-heavy combined arms battalion with one Abrams tank company along the most dangerous flank. Bringing up the rear could be a Stryker BCT guarding the supply trains for the heavier battalion/BCTs to the front. The overall force would have a far smaller deployment and logistics footprint than 3 pure heavy or FCS BCTs...albeit with more complex ammunition delivery and parts/maintenance support that would also have to be task-organized.Now put a similarly mixed division on another axis of advance.Train as you fight? If IBCT, SBCT, FBCT, and HBCT are scheduled to deploy you could always train different battalions together at the major training centers and via networked simulators just prior to deployment. Once you did it on a regular basis, it would become second nature.One advantage of this type of mixed unit deployment and combined arms employment is that you don&#039;t end up with exclusively one kind of BCT deploying all the time to someplace like Afghanistan. The different types of units complement each other, so the unit is not too heavy, and not too light. The Goldilocks effect!Not sure what the Marines could fit on a littoral combat ship, but bet they could squeeze more FCS vehicles and UH-60s on one than EFVs and V-22!! Give 10 FCS BCTs to the Army and 5 MEU FCS variants to the Marines and have the best of all deployment/employment worlds.BTW, JCitizen, this is all notional...just ideas...not deployment units or schedules. It&#039;s similar to publishing in a professional journal except its the 21st Century version thereof. Not all ideas are possible or necessarily smart here or in other threads. We&#039;ll leave the enemy guessing which are feasible in what time frame and which the Army and Joint Force might actually adapt in practice.In most cases, such forum discussions and exchange of notional ideas is tantamount to a Billy Jack moment where you tell the opponent where your left foot is going to go...and there&#039;s nothing they can do about it. Tends to be disheartening to the threat or causes big $$ chasing of capabilities ala the Soviets in the Cold War era or China now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas. But consider peacetime maintenance, personnel, and training issues. It’s probably hard enough to manage ARFORGEN of 45 BCTs with 1/3 of BCTs in reset, 1/3 in training, and 1/3 deployed. Now multiply that 45 BCTs by multiple maneuver, reconnaissance, fire support, maneuver support, and sustainment battalions! Now add National Guard and Reserve battalions!!</p><p>Its simpler to maintain all Strykers, all FCS manned ground vehicles, all HMMWV/JLTV/MRAP-ATV, or all Abrams/Bradley/M109/M113(well maybe not so much in the case of the Heavy BCT) in the same BCT. Some BCTs already use combined arms battalions that mix tank and infantry companies.</p><p>Semi-recently, Gen Petraeus mentioned a Heavy BCT that had some heavy Abrams/Bradley, some Stryker units, and some light infantry BCT units during the forced construction of concrete barriers in Sadr City. You can always task organize the 2–3 battalions or 3–4 companies therein with other types of battalions/companies in a force-tailored BCT or even division.</p><p>Example: You could have a heavy Bn task force with 3 M1A2 tank companies and a Bradley company leading a “division” along with perhaps two FCS battalions in a V just behind. That in turn could be followed by the remaining FCS BCT battalion,and a Bradley-heavy combined arms battalion with one Abrams tank company along the most dangerous flank. Bringing up the rear could be a Stryker BCT guarding the supply trains for the heavier battalion/BCTs to the front. The overall force would have a far smaller deployment and logistics footprint than 3 pure heavy or FCS BCTs…albeit with more complex ammunition delivery and parts/maintenance support that would also have to be task-organized.</p><p>Now put a similarly mixed division on another axis of advance.</p><p>Train as you fight? If IBCT, SBCT, FBCT, and HBCT are scheduled to deploy you could always train different battalions together at the major training centers and via networked simulators just prior to deployment. Once you did it on a regular basis, it would become second nature.</p><p>One advantage of this type of mixed unit deployment and combined arms employment is that you don’t end up with exclusively one kind of BCT deploying all the time to someplace like Afghanistan. The different types of units complement each other, so the unit is not too heavy, and not too light. The Goldilocks effect!</p><p>Not sure what the Marines could fit on a littoral combat ship, but bet they could squeeze more FCS vehicles and UH-60s on one than EFVs and V-22!! Give 10 FCS BCTs to the Army and 5 MEU FCS variants to the Marines and have the best of all deployment/employment worlds.</p><p>BTW, JCitizen, this is all notional…just ideas…not deployment units or schedules. It’s similar to publishing in a professional journal except its the 21st Century version thereof. Not all ideas are possible or necessarily smart here or in other threads. We’ll leave the enemy guessing which are feasible in what time frame and which the Army and Joint Force might actually adapt in practice.</p><p>In most cases, such forum discussions and exchange of notional ideas is tantamount to a Billy Jack moment where you tell the opponent where your left foot is going to go…and there’s nothing they can do about it. Tends to be disheartening to the threat or causes big $$ chasing of capabilities ala the Soviets in the Cold War era or China now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tordenskiold</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2008/12/22/smaller-is-better/#comment-4515</link> <dc:creator>Tordenskiold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=3358#comment-4515</guid> <description>Been saying this for years, but mainly in the context of small states, where it hardly makes any sense anymore to base oneself on a battalion, much less a brigade - have the command and control facilities to facilitate larger operations, but subordinate units should be composed of squadrons (small company, large platoons), infantry, fire support, armour, etc.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been saying this for years, but mainly in the context of small states, where it hardly makes any sense anymore to base oneself on a battalion, much less a brigade — have the command and control facilities to facilitate larger operations, but subordinate units should be composed of squadrons (small company, large platoons), infantry, fire support, armour, etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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