Iran Joins Space Club; Why US Expresses “Great Concern”

Iran Joins Space Club; Why US Expresses “Great Concern”

Iran, after a decade of trying to develop space capabilities, today joined the small club of countries able to build and launch a satellite into orbit. In and of itself, the Iranian technological success worries American and other countries national security experts because it places Iran much closer to being able to deliver a nuclear warhead against an enemy.

But there is another reason American military and national security officials are so worried: in at least two earlier ballistic missile launches, the Iranians launched in ways that “appear they were designed to optimize an EMP burst,” according to a Pentagon source with detailed knowledge of the Iranian’s efforts and of space technology.

Iran launched the satellite on the thirtieth anniversary of the founding of the clerical state, a fact noted by its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as he declared the country’s success.


EMP stands for electro-magnetic pulse and it is one byproduct of a nuclear blast. EMP destroys power sources, communication capabilities and would cripple or destroy the abilities of most satellites to function. A percentage of military communication and other satellites are hardened against EMP but the gravest effect would be on the ground, the space expert said. “As bad as the space part of this is, that is pretty bad, but the ground part of it is much, much worse. Effectively, whoever was subjected to an EMP burst would be shoved back to an agricultural state.” Few civilian assets such as power grids, generators, telephone systems and commercial communications satellites are hardened against EMP.

A 2007 report by the congressionally-mandated Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack detailed the devastation that could result from a relatively unsophisticated EMP strike. It also detailed how EMP works and what measures the U.S. government might take to reduce the risk from it.

One independent study, “Initial Assessment of Electromagnetic Pulse Impact Upon Baltimore-Washington-Richmond Region,” says a Scud-type missile launched from a small ship 200 miles off our coast could cause up to $771 billion in damage, equal to 7% of gross domestic product.

This is part of the reason why the State Department has expressed “great concern” about the development. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said the satellite launch appeared to indicate Iran was working on a ballistic missile capable of “increasingly long range.” Combine a long-range ICBM with a nuclear payload and you get a new member of an even smaller club, the countries such as the U.S., Russia, China, France and Britain who can play the deadly serious global strategic game of hitting places around the globe with nuclear weapons.

Iran’s success elicited grudging admiration from the space expert. “They have had more success than a lot of other aspirants. Their path has been fairly linear and fairly successful,” this source said. All this occurred, of course, in the face of international sanctions against Iran, which included specific UN prohibitions against work on ballistic missiles.

Another reason for concern about the Iranian accomplishment, the space expert said, is that lofting a satellite into a successful orbit is, in some respects, more technologically challenging than building an ICBM. So Iran would appear to be extremely close to having the ability to send aloft a small nuclear device. And, this expert said, a trigger for a small, unsophisticated nuclear device is relatively easy to design and make if you are not trying to be highly accurate.

The Iranian’s launch today may also provide supporters of the Polish and Czech missile defense sites added ammunition since those are optimized to protect against an Iranian launch. And it may provide added impetus to cooperation with and by the Russians in countering a possible Iranian missile threat, especially in light of recent reports that Russia is exploring working with the United States on these issues.

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OMG!! Teh evil Iranians are coming!! Although the United States has been able to hold off the threat of nuclear missiles from Soviet Union/Russia and China for decades, we all need to run and hide from Iran’s and North Korea’s mighty capabilities…

For the love of Pete. Is it too much to ask that you stop the movie plot scenarios and responsibly address the EMP threat? Honestly — a ballistic missile launched from a container ship off the US coast? And your “expert” ought to understand that creating a nuclear ballistic missile isn’t merely the mating of a nuclear device to a missile. There are a few other technical details involved.

More responsible journalism, please, and less unwarranted scare-mongering.

Russia and China behave like predictable nations and the threat of deterrence has been sufficient enough to prevent nuclear war. Iran and NK have different motivations and methods of reasoning than China/Russia.

Read the report linked in the story and see just how chilling this prospect is. David is right… deterrence and MAD works with rational governments and groups only. For those groups that consider dieing in the name of a cause one of the most honorable things you can do, it’s terrifying. An EMP attack on the US has the potential to knock the US back to horse and plow days and any nation that can successfully orbit a spacecraft can de-orbit it to strike at almost any point in the world. That’s what was so shocking about Sputnik.

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A bit of rational thought here.
A missle with launch capability, an ability to throw a satellite into orbit, means that same set of HW can guide, throw, and deliver a nuc right down the tube anywhere in the Mid East.
THATs the concern. THATs the nightmare. These are the same folks that held the USA hostage in the 70s, with a capture of the diplomats. These are the same folks that fought Iraq to an 8 year stalemate, in the 80s. These are the same folks that are currently guiding and abetting Syria, Lebanenon and Gaza folks, into harrassement, rocket attacks, suicide bombings et al in the old Philistine area of Israel.
Not good neighbors. Add the Throw capability and you have just cause for concerns.
Holding off a threat, AKA Cold War style worked when each contestant KNEW without ANY doubt that a launch would mean instant and effective retaliation. The SAC folks, on the discussion boards, know this, and mention it occasionally.
Today, we DO NOT have SAC, only the Silent Service Sailors. A far different world, a far different set of controls, than in the Cold War days.
We have dedicated insane leaders abounding in the Mid East, and a simple, “Lets get along” will not work.
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I will only point out that these “irrational” leaders that you fear in Iran and NK have been pretty successful in staying in power for decades. They didn’t achieve that by being crazy. Even if we don’t fully understand their rationale or culture, that ought not lead you to the conclusion that “oh, they’re irrational players.”

NOT saying that we should “just get along,” but rather we need to drop the ridiculous practice of “strategic ambiguity” when it comes to nukes and engage Iran and NK as if they were adults. So far, ignoring them and threatening them doesn’t seem to have worked. Neither state is near as capable as Russia or China, and to give them these mythical powers of crippling the United States is just foolishness.

The EMP crowd is a bunch of wackos trying to build an industry back into nuclear survivability, and the only threat they can find is this worst-case scenario of popping an EMP over Kansas, using a megaton weapon exploding at 100 miles over the earth. Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.

You know, I’m tempted to compare our own behavior to the Iranians’ here as a little thought experiment in “rational action”, not sure we’d come out looking too good.

If the Iranians are building nuclear weapons, and that is not clear based on what we actually know, they probably want them for deterrence. They live in an incredibly dangerous, unstable neighborhood. Israel, Russia (and former Sov republics), China, India, Pakistan, several nearby western European states, and the US, all have nuclear weapons. Some of those states have bombed and even invaded and occupied other nations, notably two that share a border with Iran. States that possess a credible deterring threat are not invaded, in fact it seems to have a stabilizing effect (given history, anyway, and that’s no guarantee for the future). Iran seems to be one of those places more concerned with its survival as a state than making insane mass-destruction type terrorist strikes regionally or worldwide.

My guess is that IF a nuclear weapon is detonated anywhere in the world as an act of terrorism, it’s going to be Pakistani in origin. It won’t come by missile, and it won’t have any state’s seal of approval.

Finally, the Persian people are strong and independent. They haven’t been happy with their government for a long time now, and seem to be looking for an excuse to get along with the West, if only on their terms. Maybe if we stop pointing a gun at their heads, they’ll behave more reasonably, and kick out that bellicose little fool they installed in the Presidency. Given that thanks in part to our actions Iran is one of the stronger regional powers, diplomatic engagement is the best course of action. We should take some prudent defensive measures, but one little satellite launch is not enough to sling lead over.

mike j, in regards to “Maybe if we stop pointing a gun at their heads, they’ll behave more reasonably”:

That’s how leaders like Ahmenijihad and Kim Jong-il stay in power… they legitimize their regimes by spreading their paranoia against the West on to the people. And we simply provide more ammo for those leaders to fuel their propaganda machine and reinforce those perceptions.

Mass media is a powerful tool. Though no one used it to it’s greatest effect as Hitler did.

Trophy– agreed.

Doesn’t hurt (their cause) to treat the people like mushrooms, have people ‘disappeared’ at will, let people starve to death… and then tell them it’s that bad everywhere. Mass hostage situation. There’s no good reason for us to enable that, though. Those states are illegitimate, and we legitimize them.

I do wonder if there was something peculiar about German society in the 30’s that made Goebbels so effective. Takes two to be conned, after all.

The conditions of post-WWI Germany made the ideal grounds for him to be so effective:

The German people suffered great humiliation from the Treaty of Versailles… as Germany was not included in the negotiations and was coerced to sign it, yet the treaty demanded that Germany officially accept the responsibility of the war as well as harsh reparations. The British blockade also caused great famine. Simply put, the people were desperate and was looking for a hero.

Looking at North Korea, many people readily accepted the notion that somehow the US was to blame for the great famine during the 1990’s. The regime legitimized it’s actions in putting everything to the military in the face of an impending American attack, at the consequences of an unsustainable agricultural infrastructure. Pointing out the “American threat” is a good distraction from domestic issues.

Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez is also big on the American distraction while he quietly builds up his political power in office at the cost of civic freedom, as has Iran. Though the nuclear issue with Iran just further reinforces the “Western threat.”

@ Mike J — The “Persian people” are not in charge of Iran and neither is their President, the Ayatollahs are.

@ Jason — Every American President since the Iranian revolution has attempted to engage the Ayatollahs without success, we’re not ignoring them. The Iranians have been at war with America for 30 years, we just don’t believe them when they say it.

A ballistic missile doesn’t have to have an atomic payload to be deadly. The Iranians will just use this missile with conventional warhead and rain them on Israel like a more advanced Grad or quassam missile. Iran will expect Israel will have more problems attacking these missile launchers than is done with quassams and Grads.

So what have we done to protect ourselves against EMP? probably nothing, in the last eight years anyway. All the more reason why we need to upgrade the power-grid. I for one am not worried about Iran getting nukes, who are they gonna use them on without being destroyed themselves? I think the best thing to do at this point is to welcome them to the club, that is if they really have nukes in the first place. We tried to stop them but they figured it out anyway, there will others. You can’t stop something like that once it’s gets out no matter how hard you try. Let’s see, not counting the “Big Boys” theres India, Pakistan, mabe North Korea and now Iran, all want to join the “Big Boy Club”, what a World.

“I am become death, the destroyer of worlds”

Israel is the intended target. The Iranian military paid close attention to the fact that we had difficulty in finding and destroying all of the mobile Scuds that Iraq had deployed during the last two desert scuffles.

They will have to come up with something even more capable to deliver this kind of mission. Using such weapons against us may be a popular move with the wacko politicians; but the real intended strategy is to attack the evil Israel(in their thinking; if you can call it that).

I am sure the Iranians think this would garner more support from the rest of the Arab world, and lend sympathy to Iran for any retalitory action that the west would follow on with. This would gain Iran huge points for a expanded jihad, that they would hope could lead to World War III.

Once again our enemies misjudge the world view, and think we will all set back like fat cats and give up the ship to the tin horn Islamofacists. I’m sure they feel the west would dry up and blow away from the resultant chaos and economic turmoil in the aftermath. The reality will be much uglier for all of us.

How much longer does this have to go on before we realize the quicker we get off foreign oil, the more secure the world is going to be? This needs to happen for all the 1st world nations to be an effective transition to more peaceful world. Hitting your enemy where it really hurts, in the pocket book, is always the smart strategy.

Dave–

The Ayatollahs probably remember better than you or I how fast things can change for rulers in Iran.

Ahmadinejad probably is little more than a mouthpiece, but he is the one responsible for all the bluster and bellicosity that’s been ratcheting up tension. His ‘election’ was a reaction to increasing threats from, primarily, us. Prior to 9/11 and that “axis of evil” BS, there were glimmers of hope, and even during the initial Afghanistan campaign, the Iranians weren’t entirely unhelpful. That’s not the behavior of irrational maniacs. These Ayatollahs want to remain in power, and that’s potentially powerful leverage.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the son of a blacksmith.

He’s smart. With a Ph.D. in engineering. He’s also ruthless.

In the late 1970s, he graduated as one of the top students from Iran’s version of MIT. He joined the Revolutionary Guard.

During the Iran-Iraq War, Ahmadinejad trained 12-year-old boys to march into mine fields, sacrificing their own lives, to make way for the Iranian army.

After his election, he said in his speech, “Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution is arisen…” He’s doing everything possible to make sure he’s right.

Take Iraq.

The Iran-Iraq war was one of the bloodiest battles of the 20th century. Iraq was run by Sunni Muslims then. Now it’s run by Shiites. And Iran, also nearly 91% Shiite, is sending electricity to Iraq. It’s sending wheat. It’s sending $1 billion in foreign aid.

Ahmadinejad knows what he’s doing.

Iran just offered to pay for three pipelines running across Shia territory in Iraq. Iran has offered to open its ports so war-torn Iraq can use them for shipping. And every day, Iraq will ship 150,000 barrels of light crude directly to Iran for refining.

Remember, Iran also funds Hezbollah in Lebanon. And it’s busily buying influence in Syria.

–Byron King

During the Iran-Iraq War, Ahmadinejad trained 12-year-old boys to march into mine fields, sacrificing their own lives, to make way for the Iranian army.
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What?? We fear the Iranians because we are taught that by Cheney and his Neocons. They never bothered to learn much about Iranian culture nor regional politics or better yet their history. Even Ahmadinejad is forced into a corner by Cheney and reacts accordingly.

These people aren’t our enemy. Not unless we want them to be. We are so blindly xenophobic we can’t see the forest for the trees. And we charge off in the wrong direction too many times like a bull in a china shop.

We have no qualms with the Iranian people and they feel the same about the citizens of this country. They just don’t have a dog in that fight. So the sooner we realize this, come to understand how this stand off was created, the sooner we can normalize relations with the theocratic leaders of Iran.

We are just as much responsible for “creating” Ahmadinejad as were with the Shah. Let’s find a happy medium and enjoy a healthy relationship with an interesting and cultured nation.

Do the right thing:
A happy medium you say? So you want to build bongs, solar cells and crack pipes instead of wasting taxpayer money on the military? You say that we are better off joining hands and singing kumbaya? You believe that we’re supposed to think only super-ultra-ultra liberal, politically correct thoughts? I’m sorry to be the one that tells you this but you, my Sinistrate friend, are delusional.

There are quite a few intelligent, informed and thoughtful posts here, and I really appreciate them.

“The Iranian’s launch today may also provide supporters of the Polish and Czech missile defense sites added ammunition since those are optimized to protect against an Iranian launch. And it may provide added impetus to cooperation with and by the Russians in countering a possible Iranian missile threat, especially in light of recent reports that Russia is exploring working with the United States on these issues.”

This part of the article caught my eye. I did an expose on EMP dangers with Homeland Security 2 years ago and to Wired as well. My big question today is if we say this launch, why did the poland and Czek anti missle batteries not react? I thought they were anti iranian missle technologies. what good are they if we dont use them when iran is launching test icbm’s… Why didn’t we launch a counter barrage of missles?

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Civilian Corp–

- Those anti-missile systems haven’t been deployed yet.

- The Iranian rocket went in the opposite direction.

- I think we need to get in the habit of asking “and then what?” So even if we could shoot this thing out of sky during boost, or at a point in orbit, …honestly I think it would be pretty funny, but no good would come from it. We’d be the ones who looked like jerks, not them for their little pseudo “space race” missile launch.

Its not the fact that they have or not have nucleare capabilities,they have the capability to fire a rockect that far as Korea thats worrying!

“Remember, Iran also funds Hezbollah in Lebanon. And it’s busily buying influence in Syria.”

So? what has that got to do with us, what are we suppose to now, get scared, run and hide? I don’t think so. You guys never give up, still trying to scare everybody with your “chicken little” scenario. Did you guys learn anything from the lest elections?

Truth is, Iran looks more and more guilty of helping Bin Laden all the time, with 9–11, and they just want us to know that if we ever get mad enough at them to want to get even, they will blow something up.
Just let em stew in their own threats. Just let em try another 9–11 thing and Iran, Irag, Syria, and all those other Islamic countries will be the new Christian Jewish capitals of the world. Once the radiation clears.

How does Iran pose a threat sending a satellite into space? Might I add it’s a pretty big wasteland up in space. What does Robert Openheimer actually have to do with Iran and satellites and warhads. The only reason we got to worry is about our own LEO satellites re-entering the atamopshere. Again I am glad because it would create more industry with technology and space exploration, the race has begun for space exploration.

See what the former Soviet Union can do if ONLY someone (Iran) will help them with paying off their debts? …

DONT WORRY!!! US, CHINA, RUSSIA, UK,ISRAEL, GERMANY, INDIA, PAKISTAN & OTHER COUNTRY CAN BUILT UP THEIR TECHNOLOGIES AND WEAPON…SO LETS IRAN BUILT UP THEIR OWN TECXHNOLOGIES. WIN WIN SITUATION. NO DOUBLE STANDARD. NO MANIPULATE THE STORY, NEWS ETC. WHY IRAN BUILT UP THEIR TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE SOME COUNTRY WAS TRIED TO AGAINST IRAN. YOU MUST REMEBER TO CONVERT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES TO NEW CHRISTIAN JEWISH CAPITAL OF THE WORLD ONCE RADIATION IS CLEAR? YOU ARE VERY BAD EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND ANTI ISLAM, SEMITIC, APARTHEID AND SO ON. YOU ANTI ISLAM OR ARAB.…JESUS IS ARABIAN. JESUS NOT FROM WESTERN OR EUROPE. LET ARAB EMBARGO OIL EXPORT TO WESTERN LIKE 1973 ARAB ISRAEL WAR. YOU MUST REMEMBER WHY IF GERMANY FEEL GUILTY DUE TO HOLOUCOUST FOR JEWISH WHY NOT GIVE THE LAND FOR JEW IN EUROPE OR GERMAN. ACTUALLY WESTERN HATE TO JEW BUT TRIED TO SELF CONFESSION WITH SUPPORT JEW. LIFE WITH HARMONY EACH OTHERS DO NOT BELIVE TO THE NEWS 100%…SPECULATION FOR WEAPON INDUSTRY TO SALE THEIR WEAPON AND GET MORE PROFIT TARGET. DONT EGO…US LOOSE AT VIETNAM EVEN HAVE ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES AND RUSSIAN LOOSE AT AFGAHNISTAN​.US DONT WORRY COZ ALREADY HAVE ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES LIKE ANTI SATTELITE MISSILE LIKE CHINA AND US WAS DONE/TESTED.

Nuclear weopons are not a threat to the U.S. homeland at the CURRENT time. Now if Iran started sharing their technology and nuclear capabilities with Venezuela then we have a problem. Right now the only countries that need to be concerned is Israel since Iran can watch them at all times now. Iran has been purchasing high tech anti-aircraft missiles from Russia. In that sense they can defend whatever nuclear warheads, silos, plants, and uranium mines they have from an Israely or American airstrike(at least ones they can see on radar). They are clearly preparing for war. I think the time is now where the U.S. needs to use its advantage of being able to force Iran to fight from 2 fronts(Iraq and Afghanistan/North and south)before its too late. I also have a suggestion. If terrorist organizations that are funded by Iran want to bomb us by suprise, why don’t we do it to them? Use a stealth bomber and drop a payload on specific targets and just say it wasn’t us. They wouldn’t be able to proove it and if its widespread enough then their economy will be destroyed. No more nuke threats, no more satellites, no more money to buy weopons, and no more false sense of pride that they currently have. Who cares if its not fair. Its not fair that thousands of hard working respectable people were murdered on 9/11.

This goes to “Do the right thing”. You clearly took your happy pills before you wrote your post. When you are taught anti-western propoganda since birth that is what you will believe. The Iranians clearly don’t like us or our allies and will not comply. Hence why their nuke program is still up and running. So heres something a little more in your context for you to understand. ALWAYS TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED. They treat us with explosions and economic damage, lets do the same to them. Remember now, they do a big part in the funding of Jihad and other anti-western terrorist organizations.

@ Marc– Good lord, man. The Iranians expressed SADNESS over 9–11. Hezbollah and other Shiite organizations came out against that attack. Do a reality check.

@ Chace… don’t know what kind of pills you took… SMDH

ya, all dem crazy “alla lalalala, WE die for…” people, if they all willin ta die for some stupid regime dat they are to dumb ta realize that they are being brainwashed and stuff, y dont dey take all dere cute little IED’s, bombs, C4, and wat not and all go in da middle of their desert and all on da count of 1,2,3 blow up tagether, da world would be much happier

@ mike j– You need to do a reality check. Who out of Iran do you think really showed sadness over 9/11? They broadcast “Death to America” on public television. Their leader campaigns off of anti-american crap. You must have voted for Obama… The guy who wants to go the “cheap route” with our missile defense and let terrorists run free.

I think its about time for the Americans to ask Israeli Can-Do forces to either share what they already know or we can all wait till Israel gets worried and goes on surgical strike status to either allow Israeli anti missle tech. to be in sinque or maybe, which seems to just about always be the case, sit back, relax and find some military worry has been neutralised, may it come from cruise, boots or the Brass Balls Boys

Chavez is also tied in good with Russia, Iran North Korea & has nuclear ambitions going on now.. in his county.. under the radar. He hates America & will participate in an attack of violence to our borders.

How come Chavez continues to exist? He should have been knocked off long ago.

In the late 1980’s, the Senior Bush Administration secretly with the coperation of the CIA, send military troops to liberate Venezula, during then his own people liberated him through power by kidnapping him, but Chavez
was able to return to power, he also supplies the world with CITGO gasoline, my understanding is his people like him, acctually the United States see’s Mexico as a possible threat like Iran.

Chace–

Have you given any thought to what would be required to pull our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan off their present missions and spin them around to attack Iran? Looked at a map lately? Thought at all about how you would supply this attack, in light of us losing the Kyrgyzstan base and the recent difficulty with the Khyber pass, and the relatively exposed supply route into Iraq that runs right through majority Shia regions– ya know, Shiite, just like in Iran, who they have close associations with?

We’re in no position to attack anybody. We’d find it hard to defend ourselves. What we need to do now is avoid conflicts that are not to our benefit. Get serious.

This is an article I recently did read an found it to be very intresting.

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MOSCOW – U.S. and Russian officials traded shots Thursday over who was to blame for a huge satellite collision this week that spewed speeding clouds of debris into space, threatening other unmanned spacecraft in nearby orbits.

The smashup 500 miles (800 kilometers) over Siberia on Tuesday involved a derelict Russian spacecraft designed for military communications and a working satellite owned by U.S.-based Iridium, which served commercial customers as well as the U.S. Department of Defense.

A prominent Russian space expert suggested NASA fell down on the job by not warning of the collision. But U.S. space experts said the Russian has the wrong agency.

The U.S. military tracks the 18,000 objects in orbit, monitoring only certain threats because it lacks the resources to do everything, said Maj. Regina Winchester, spokeswoman for U.S. Strategic Command, which oversees the military’s Space Surveillance Network.

Iridium spokeswoman Elizabeth Mailander said the company can move any of its 65 satellites out of the way if it gets a precise warning ahead of a crash. Such a warning was not made Tuesday, Mailander said.

But the company has never redirected a satellite before because the warnings they get aren’t precise enough and there are just too many satellites to be constantly rejiggering their orbit, she said.

“Ours was where it was supposed to be and it was functioning,” Mailander said. She said Iridium hasn’t talked with Russian space officials.

No one has any idea yet how many pieces of space junk were generated by the collision or how big they might be. But the crash scattered space junk in orbits 300 to 800 miles (500 to 1,300 kilometers) above Earth, according to Maj.-Gen. Alexander Yakushin, chief of staff for the Russian military’s Space Forces.

Experts in space debris will meet next week in Vienna at a U.N. seminar to come up with better ways to prevent future crashes, said NASA orbital debris program manager Nicholas Johnson.

Igor Lisov, a prominent Russian space expert, said Thursday he did not understand why NASA’s debris experts and Iridium had failed to prevent the collision, since the Iridium satellite was active and its orbit could be adjusted.

“It could have been a computer failure or a human error,” he said. “It also could be that they only were paying attention to smaller debris and ignoring the defunct satellites.”

But that job belongs to the U.S. Department of Defense’s Space Surveillance Network, which was created with NASA’s help.

The network’s top priority is protecting astronauts — warning if there is a threat to the international space station or manned spacecraft. And it gives NASA precise warnings for about a dozen satellites that could be maneuvered out of the way, something that happens once in a while, Johnson said.

There are 800 to 1,000 active satellites in orbit and about 17,000 pieces of debris and dead satellites, like the Russian one, that can’t be controlled, he said. The U.S. space tracking network doesn’t have the resources to warn all satellite operators of every possible close call, Johnson and Winchester said.

“It’s unfortunate that we cannot predict all of the collisions all of the time,” said Winchester.

A private Web site, named Socrates, does give daily risk of crash warnings for satellites and Iridium, with 65 satellites, frequently is in the top 10 daily risks, Johnson said. However, the Iridium satellite wasn’t on Tuesday’s warning list, he said.

Lisov said the debris may threaten a large number of earth-tracking and weather satellites in similar orbits.

“There is a quite a lot of satellites in nearby orbits,” he told The Associated Press. “The other 65 Iridium satellites in similar orbits will face the most serious risk, and there numerous earth-tracking and weather satellites in nearby orbits. Fragments may trigger a chain of collisions.”

Both the U.S. surveillance network and Russian Space Forces are tracking the debris, believed to be traveling at speeds of around 200 meters — or about 660 feet — per second.

NASA said it would take weeks to know the full magnitude of the crash, but both NASA and Russia’s Roscosmos agencies said there was little risk to the international space station and its three crew members.

Russian Mission Control spokesman Valery Lyndin noted the station’s orbit has been adjusted in the past to dodge space debris.

The space junk also is unlikely to pose a threat to the space shuttle set to launch Feb. 22 with seven astronauts, U.S. officials said, although that issue will be reviewed.

The Iridium orbiter weighed 1,235 pounds (560 kilograms), and the decommissioned Kosmos-2251 military communications craft weighed nearly a ton. The Kosmos was launched in 1993 and went out of service two years later in 1995, Yakushin said.

Some Soviet-built, nuclear-powered satellites long out of action in higher orbits may also be vulnerable to collisions, Lisov said. If one of them collides with the debris, the radioactive fallout would pose no threat to Earth, he said, but its speeding wreckage could multiply the hazard to other satellites.

Iridium said the loss of the satellite was causing brief, occasional outages in its service and it expected to fix the problem by Friday. The Bethesda, Maryland-based company said it expected to replace the lost satellite with one of its eight in-orbit spares within 30 days.

The replacement cost for an Iridium satellite is between $50 million and $100 million, including the launch, said John Higginbotham, chief executive of Integral Systems Inc., which runs ground support systems for satellites.

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AP Writer Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow and AP Technology Writer Peter Svensson in New York contributed to this report. AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein contributed from Washington.

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PEOPLE LET’S GET ONE THING OUT IN THE OPEN IF A SHIP OR ANYTHING THAT PRESENTS A HOSTILE THREAT TO OUR BORDERS THEY WILL BE DETECTED THERE IS A LITTLE THING CALLED AIRSPACE AND RESTRICTED INTERNATIONAL WATERS I THINK SINCE 9/11 WE WILL NOT LET ANYTHING THAT PRESENTS A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THEY WILL BE DESTROYED BEFORE ANY HOSTILES CAN APPROACH.

THEY KNOW THIS THIS IS THE REASON FOR THEM TO CREATE A LONG RANGE ICBM BECAUSE THEY KNOW UNLESS THEY CAN CONTACT ONE OF THEIR SLEEPER CELLS TO DO THE JOB THIS IS THERE ONLY HOPE AND IF THEY DO LAUNCH A MISSILE NORAD WILL DESTROY IT BEFORE IT EVEN GETS CLOSE TO OUR COUNTRY.
PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN OUR DEFENSE FORCES WE STILL ARE THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DESTROY ANY COUNTRY OR A WHOLE CONTINENT IF WE WANTED TO SO STOP LETTING THESE LITTLE WANTABE COUNTRIES WHO TRY TO FLEX THEIR MIGHT BECAUSE COMPARED TO US WE COULD ANNILILATE THEM OVER NIGHT IF WE WANTED TO.

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