<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Hammes and Biddle on Future Warfare</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:43:36 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: gotarmadillo</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/#comment-5749</link> <dc:creator>gotarmadillo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:58:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4575#comment-5749</guid> <description>I agree with most of this Hammes and Biddell analysis, especially on the nuclear aspect of future wars, an aspect about which the Pentagon is not so strangely remiss: Because, if we add nukes into the equation, F 22s don&#039;t make sense. Ha! If you see only what you wish to see, it&#039;s not hard to &quot;tell it like is&quot;. My only criticism concerns using special forces as advisors. Yeah, mobilizing local nationals is a good thing to do, but nothign one can rely on. Rather, I think, that the military has a real tendency to under utilize their people, all for the sake of &quot;control&quot; and beauracracy. Lots of kids leave teh Army just because they get bored and army life looks its just going to be more of the same. I am reminded of the ReichWehr, in which every private was teh equivalent of senior NCO in any other army. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all about money and promotion with a lot of people, but rather, something personal that&#039;s quite missing from our &quot;warrior ethos&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of this Hammes and Biddell analysis, especially on the nuclear aspect of future wars, an aspect about which the Pentagon is not so strangely remiss: Because, if we add nukes into the equation, F 22s don’t make sense. Ha! If you see only what you wish to see, it’s not hard to “tell it like is”.<br /> My only criticism concerns using special forces as advisors. Yeah, mobilizing local nationals is a good thing to do, but nothign one can rely on. Rather, I think, that the military has a real tendency to under utilize their people, all for the sake of “control” and beauracracy. Lots of kids leave teh Army just because they get bored and army life looks its just going to be more of the same. I am reminded of the ReichWehr, in which every private was teh equivalent of senior NCO in any other army. I don’t think it’s all about money and promotion with a lot of people, but rather, something personal that’s quite missing from our “warrior ethos”.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/#comment-5696</link> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:49:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4575#comment-5696</guid> <description>I agree, I don&#039;t think China displays acts of agression and doesn&#039;t seem to try to force it&#039;s influence on other countries the way Russia does. Russia has a major inferiority complex and needs to be contained. Although China should be watched they don&#039;t seem to force fear on others. With Russia&#039;s return to authoratarianism it will be interesting. We can&#039;t give up on having the edge that we enjoy when it comes to overwhleming military capability and technology.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I don’t think China displays acts of agression and doesn’t seem to try to force it’s influence on other countries the way Russia does. Russia has a major inferiority complex and needs to be contained. Although China should be watched they don’t seem to force fear on others. With Russia’s return to authoratarianism it will be interesting. We can’t give up on having the edge that we enjoy when it comes to overwhleming military capability and technology.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cole</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/#comment-5630</link> <dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:48:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4575#comment-5630</guid> <description>&quot;As for the Russians: in Georgia, “the Russians drove a single division 60 miles after three months preparation.” Not a threat.&quot; ------------------------------------- Tell that to the Georgians. Just because they did not advance more than 60 miles did not mean they couldn&#039;t have. Did we knew about it 3 months in advance? Couldn&#039;t we have put some FCS brigades in south Georgia if we did??Now if you tell me that the Russian Air Force is not a threat, I instantly believe you based on results of this war. If you tell me that the Russian Navy is no threat, it&#039;s easy to be similarly convinced.But Sec of Defense Gates was a Russian specialist, and I&#039;ve read him comment on the fact that there are inherent Russian insecurities and tendencies to posture...and follow through on that posturing in a tit for tat.We recognize Kosovo. They attack Georgia. We help the Northern Alliance beat up on them in Afghanistan. They bribe Kyrgysztan to kick us out of Manas. What happens if they attack a NATO or near Europe ally? Does a solely air attack response...especially if deep...create the same kind of response that Hammes talks about reference China?I don&#039;t worry too much about China. A billion Chinese won&#039;t swim the Pacific and they can&#039;t shut off our oil/natural gas. Russia, in contrast, is quite close to European allies we are sworn to support,and equally close to numerous sources of energy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“As for the Russians: in Georgia, “the Russians drove a single division 60 miles after three months preparation.” Not a threat.“<br /> ————————————-<br /> Tell that to the Georgians. Just because they did not advance more than 60 miles did not mean they couldn’t have. Did we knew about it 3 months in advance? Couldn’t we have put some FCS brigades in south Georgia if we did??</p><p>Now if you tell me that the Russian Air Force is not a threat, I instantly believe you based on results of this war. If you tell me that the Russian Navy is no threat, it’s easy to be similarly convinced.</p><p>But Sec of Defense Gates was a Russian specialist, and I’ve read him comment on the fact that there are inherent Russian insecurities and tendencies to posture…and follow through on that posturing in a tit for tat.</p><p>We recognize Kosovo. They attack Georgia. We help the Northern Alliance beat up on them in Afghanistan. They bribe Kyrgysztan to kick us out of Manas. What happens if they attack a NATO or near Europe ally? Does a solely air attack response…especially if deep…create the same kind of response that Hammes talks about reference China?</p><p>I don’t worry too much about China. A billion Chinese won’t swim the Pacific and they can’t shut off our oil/natural gas. Russia, in contrast, is quite close to European allies we are sworn to support,and equally close to numerous sources of energy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cole</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/02/25/hammes-and-biddle-on-future-warfare/#comment-5623</link> <dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:30:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4575#comment-5623</guid> <description>&quot;Lethality in hybrid warfare is certainly increasing, as the vulnerability of even the most heavily armored vehicles will attest.&quot; ----------------------------------------- Went back and read part of Biddle&#039;s study about the 2006 Lebanon-Israeli war. 119 Israelis killed vs. 650-750 Hezbollah in ground portion of conflict. Ouch. Then read that Israel executed 5,000 aerial strike sorties, but few seemed oriented to support for ground forces! Sound familiar?Again, this war was an example of why you don&#039;t ask airpower to win a war by itself against &quot;effects-based&quot; targets. If the Israeli &quot;effect&quot; was to cut off the source of rockets, it failed since nearly more were firing at the end of the war than at the beginning.Nature of the opponent? How may Hezbollahs are there in the world? How many have implicit goverment support or ignoring(scared)behavior to allow Hezbollah to arm and prepare defenses in detail without interference? How many are sufficiently fanatical to employ suicide-like warfare.If there is only one Hezbollah, and its influence is in Lebanon where it has the capacity to amass 7,000 unobstructed fighters, why are we using it as the basis for all other future conflicts??? Planning to invade Lebanon anytime soon? I don&#039;t think so.Then I read that there were vollies of ATGM fire with relatively few hits...especially against moving targets. But there were 15 hits of tanks and 12 deaths because of reliance on armor against ATGMs. But these vaunted Hezbollah defenses apparently were not that intermingling with civilians.Where was the suppressive fire and airpower droppig 2,000 lb bombs to crush tunnels and deploy white phosphorus smoke (sounds like Israel learned that lesson this time around)?Israeli airpower was over near the Syrian border apparently and bombing downtown Damascus?In addition, the Israelis apparently were employing the current survival standard of belief in armor...the more the better. Because some tanks were hit and killed and many battles were close range between dismounted infantry and armor, this was supposed to be an indictment of FCS as implied here and in Biddle&#039;s study. What happens when you put the engine in front and get hit in the front. Bye, bye engine and ability to back out of harm&#039;s way or move forward to cover.If the major threat was ATGMs as described, why would a FCS force with effective active defenses, armor capable of defeating shaped charges, few exposed troops on board to get hit, engines in a unique position and batteries to provide short-term power and ample UAS and supporting Army and joint close air support access be afraid of ATGM-armed hidden bad guys?Then they talked about prolonged firefights well removed from civilians. Again, where was the artillery and suppressive/destructive close air support? I&#039;m left wondering if this was a ground force of primarily reservists that are so prevalent in the Israeli Army? Our Army provides better reservist equipment and training prior-to-fighting than the Israelis and has a far larger active force for sudden contingencies like this one.So again, why is this unique Israeli experience an indictment of FCS, when Israel will never need to deploy, and will never attack over extended distances well-removed from their homeland?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Lethality in hybrid warfare is certainly increasing, as the vulnerability of even the most heavily armored vehicles will attest.“<br /> —————————————–<br /> Went back and read part of Biddle’s study about the 2006 Lebanon-Israeli war. 119 Israelis killed vs. 650–750 Hezbollah in ground portion of conflict. Ouch. Then read that Israel executed 5,000 aerial strike sorties, but few seemed oriented to support for ground forces! Sound familiar?</p><p>Again, this war was an example of why you don’t ask airpower to win a war by itself against “effects-based” targets. If the Israeli “effect” was to cut off the source of rockets, it failed since nearly more were firing at the end of the war than at the beginning.</p><p>Nature of the opponent? How may Hezbollahs are there in the world? How many have implicit goverment support or ignoring(scared)behavior to allow Hezbollah to arm and prepare defenses in detail without interference? How many are sufficiently fanatical to employ suicide-like warfare.</p><p>If there is only one Hezbollah, and its influence is in Lebanon where it has the capacity to amass 7,000 unobstructed fighters, why are we using it as the basis for all other future conflicts??? Planning to invade Lebanon anytime soon? I don’t think so.</p><p>Then I read that there were vollies of ATGM fire with relatively few hits…especially against moving targets. But there were 15 hits of tanks and 12 deaths because of reliance on armor against ATGMs. But these vaunted Hezbollah defenses apparently were not that intermingling with civilians.</p><p>Where was the suppressive fire and airpower droppig 2,000 lb bombs to crush tunnels and deploy white phosphorus smoke (sounds like Israel learned that lesson this time around)?</p><p>Israeli airpower was over near the Syrian border apparently and bombing downtown Damascus?</p><p>In addition, the Israelis apparently were employing the current survival standard of belief in armor…the more the better. Because some tanks were hit and killed and many battles were close range between dismounted infantry and armor, this was supposed to be an indictment of FCS as implied here and in Biddle’s study. What happens when you put the engine in front and get hit in the front. Bye, bye engine and ability to back out of harm’s way or move forward to cover.</p><p>If the major threat was ATGMs as described, why would a FCS force with effective active defenses, armor capable of defeating shaped charges, few exposed troops on board to get hit, engines in a unique position and batteries to provide short-term power and ample UAS and supporting Army and joint close air support access be afraid of ATGM-armed hidden bad guys?</p><p>Then they talked about prolonged firefights well removed from civilians. Again, where was the artillery and suppressive/destructive close air support? I’m left wondering if this was a ground force of primarily reservists that are so prevalent in the Israeli Army? Our Army provides better reservist equipment and training prior-to-fighting than the Israelis and has a far larger active force for sudden contingencies like this one.</p><p>So again, why is this unique Israeli experience an indictment of FCS, when Israel will never need to deploy, and will never attack over extended distances well-removed from their homeland?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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