Hill To Spend And Rebuild DoD: Murtha

Hill To Spend And Rebuild DoD: Murtha

Build tankers. More ships. And Defense Secretary Robert Gates needs to drop this re-balance stuff and rebuild our conventional forces. Congress will “spend money on defense for a long period of time… to get the military back to where it should be.”

Those are the sentiments of Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Penn.), the pugnacious and powerful chairman of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee. Murtha doesn’t need to wait for the Obama administration to present its detailed defense budget. He came out swinging today at an Aviation Week conference.

In what may be the most telling statement for the long haul, Murtha slammed Gates for going too far in his efforts to “re-balance” the military to better fight small-scale irregular wars versus preparing for large scale conventional battles against another great power. The military should only be used against direct threats to U.S. security, and Murtha favors buying weapons to fight at the higher end of the conflict scale. The quote to remember: “We’re going to spend money on defense for a long period of time… to get the military back to where it should be.”


He plans to fund 10 ships in the next spending bill. Murtha didn’t get very specific. It will be a mix of Littoral Combat Ships, submarines and a new aircraft carrier. “We’ll put 10 in. I’m not sure what the mix will be,” he said.

On the KC-X program, Murtha said we got to build them and we better build them fast. Awarding both industry teams a slice of the contract because it is the only way to avoid further contract protests and delays. “We believe we should build two tankers a month instead of one, because they’re so old and it would take so long to get the (old tankers) replaced,” Murtha said. The proposal for a new tanker contract would be included in the 2009 supplemental.

The tanker contest would still be competitive, he said. “The [company team] that has the best proposal would get the most airplanes per month. The other one would get less.” He said the details of the proposed contract award have yet to be worked out, but he thinks he can sell the idea to the rest of Congress. “If [the new tanker contract is] contested you’re not going to get a new tanker for another two or three years.” He said he was unsure whether he could convince DoD to go along with the plan.

Meanwhile, the White House proved that when budget deliberations are under way, no niggle can be too small. Case in point: White House spokesman Ken Baer’s statement that OMB has “not directed the Defense Department to either delay production of the new tanker or cancel the new bombers.”

OK. The White House has “not directed” the department to do anything, yet. But these are possibilities being considered by the people who have the final say on what goes in the budget. So it’s pretty big news when those folks even consider a substantial delay to a program worth $35 billion or so, not to mention one that is the Air Force’s top priority.

The fact that the White House spoke publicly about these budget deliberations, after requiring senior DoD officials sign a pledge not to reveal any details, shows just how hot the budget battles have already become.

On top of the tanker and next-gen bomber, the White House has also directed the Pentagon to consider major changes to the Amy’s Future Combat System, the Airborne Laser missile defense program, and the Marines’ Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle. None of those are surprises to regular DoD Buzz readers, of course.

The biggest possible loser in industry, should any of these happen, is Boeing, maker of FCS, ABL and — maybe — of tanker. Boeing is also hooked up with Lockheed on the next-gen bomber but that money was so iffy to start with that we won’t count it. The EFV is built by General Dynamics.

My prognosis: ABL is the likeliest major cut, and next-gen bomber the easiest cancellation or long delay. ABL is far behind and so far over budget and lacks the enormous constituency to which the tanker and FCS can lay claim.

Boeing defended the program, noting that ABL is the only boost-phase program MDA is pursuing and argued it could be used for other missions.

“Although ABL’s primary mission according to the Missile Defense Agency is to intercept all classes of ballistic missiles in the boost phase, with company research and development resources, the directed energy team has begun simulation work to show capabilities for the system in the future. We believe this capability could include counter-aircraft and counter-SAM and potentially counter-cruise missile,” Boeing spokesman Marc Selinger said. But ABL faces an uphill battle, extra missions or no. Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.) has shown consistent doubts — if not outright hostility — about the ABL program, although she is chairman of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee.

Reflecting that deep and continuing skepticism about missile defense among Democrats, Murtha said he thought missile defense will be cut. He urged a balance of sea and land based missile defense, something we’ve been hearing from the Senate for some time, on both sides of the aisle. And that does not include ABL.

Greg Grant contributed mightily to this story.

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Two companies making the tanker. Anyone with any brains can see this is a disaster waiting to happen. I’ll take Bob Gates judgement over Murtha’s any day of the week.

So what is it about missile defense that riles the Dems? Is it skepticism about the technology? Or is it something else?

Aurora,

The Dems generally believe that missile defense is necessary. But they want the Pentagon to initiate tougher testing regimes to make sure the systems perform as well as they should.

John, NG won and will provide the better tanker and will produce more. Boeing has enough money coming in from other projects, NG EADS is a win win for Alabama and America and will bring much needed aerospace competition to make others build better products…

You would think that as the first Vietnam combat Veteran elected to Congress, Murtha would understand the danger and outright stupidity of his attempting to direct the Sec Def on how to do his job! Politicians ran the Vietnam war and led to our first ever defeat. I don’t understand why one would publicly stick around and turn their own youthful heroic image into that of an old, blubbering man fighting dimentia not the enemy.

Murtha is one of three X-Marines I know of, he is not worth his savor, (salt). I will not bore you with my personal contempt for him. It would take more time than I have today and tomorrow and the day before and after that.

God Bless the Fire Eaters
Semper Fi

Like it or not in this severe recession, preservation of jobs is going to be Congress’ #1 priority. Defense programs with suppliers spread around the US will have the biggest political clout.

Killing a production program, or one very close to production, will incur extremely strong Congressional resistance.

The Dems do not like Missile Defense because they have bought into the concept of negotiations and mutual assured destruction as viable alternatives. Unfortunately, this is an outdated concept. We have negotiated with Korea and Iran for years and all that has done is buy them time to develop & deploy their weapons. Mutual Assured Destruction, as a deterent, works when you are confident that your opponent is rational — not applicable to Korea or Iran. The Dems pushing for more realistic testing is a smoke screen — their way of delaying deployment and forcing the US to adopt the above rationale.

Although I cannot disagree with the “rebuild the conventional forces” mantra of Murtha I think he is trying to get out front of the shenanigans with PWI and possible illegal campaign donations to him. So he will turn into a “job saving hawk” to gain support.

By the way, what about the nuclear forces. The US needs to start replacing the MMIII, design a new SSBN and SLBM and build the RRW while vigorously researching WMD “capabilities surprise” technologies.

Let me state upfront, I’m not a Democrat, didn’t vote for Obama and although he’s a distant relative can’t stand Murtha. However, after working for years on directed energy research and knowing the technology and physical constraints we need to surpass the ABL program appears to be nothing more than corporate welfare. For the reasons that I outline in my book Full Threat, the concept, although very stylish in SF stories doesn’t cut the mustard in the real world. I’d recommend that these funds be put to use doing verification testing on our aging nuclear weapons as model simulations are inadequate.

Airpower. F-22’s and JSF. Tankers? Yes, they are needed. I trust Bob Gates judgement more than Murtha’s, so anything that helps the men on the ground Iam for. UAV’s right down to platoon level. Spend wisely.

The Ruling Class dems plan on being in their palatial FEMA bunkers. They won’t need a missile defense. Besides, it’s OK for us peasant workers to die. We can easily be replaced from Mexico. Fortunately, most peasants live in coastal cities making targeting easier. And, most city peasants vote for dems. I’m hoping survivors ignore the coddled government czars when they crawl out of their underground FEMA resorts. It’s all going to be fine.

Dear Rep. Murtha,

We have to leave the toystore, now. Come along, dear. We don’t have any money. Can you say “broke”?
The Chinese don’t want to give us any more money. And if we piss them off, thkey’ll sell all our Treasury notes, and then we won’t even have what little money we DO have.
And anyway, it’s getting embarrassing, losing all these little wars, preparing for the big one, that The Chinese and Russians don’t really want ot fight-that’s why we have teh little wars, see? So we don’t toast the planet!
So, as one Marine to another, get your head out of the head and your hand out of Boeing’s back pocket. Current Stukdies show, tht most of this high tech stuff doesn’t work.

The ABL program will work and is closer than ever to proving it. Theres an update video on Boeing’s website. If we cut this program now, the project will be scrapped, and Russia & China will continue with their own research into directed energy weapons while we sit here with our sharp sticks. Then when everyone else has ABL equivelents, we will finally decide to build one and guess what.… Its going to cost us all over again. ABL is so close to completion that we should wait and see if it does indeed perform to standards when it tries to shoot down a missile either this year or next year. Lets not waste the money already invested in the program, lets push for results and see what it can truly do.

Murtha is an idiot who lost all respect owed to him with his “cold blooded murder’ comment, why he gets re-elected is beyond my ken.…

The tanker contest would still be competitive, he said. “The [company team] that has the best proposal would get the most airplanes per month. The other one would get less.” He said the details of the proposed contract award have yet to be worked out, but he thinks he can sell the idea to the rest of Congress. “If [the new tanker contract is] contested you’re not going to get a new tanker for another two or three years.” He said he was unsure whether he could convince DoD to go along with the plan.

Oh ya, and Murtha, what part of this statement sounds like Capitalism? Sounds more like socialism and “spreading the wealth” to me. How about the losing bid gets nothing as it should be? Second place doesn’t mean you get compensated just for competing…dufus.

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