Comments on: Osprey To Afghanistan: Conway http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:54:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Geoff Gonzalezhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6253 Geoff Gonzalez Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:45:09 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6253 As a former AO on the beloved CH-53E for just over 4yrs., I am rather insulted when I continuously see CH-46, H-60 and V-22, for any of the branches of the US services, stated as "Heavy-Lifters". The US Army deployes only one commonly used Heavy and that is the CH-47. As for the US Marine Corps, it is and I hope always will be, versions of the CH-53. As a former AO on the beloved CH-53E for just over 4yrs., I am rather insulted when I continuously see CH-46, H-60 and V-22, for any of the branches of the US services, stated as “Heavy-Lifters”. The US Army deployes only one commonly used Heavy and that is the CH-47. As for the US Marine Corps, it is and I hope always will be, versions of the CH-53.

]]> By: Bart Kesselringhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6210 Bart Kesselring Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:27:13 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6210 Tourist trips coming to Afghanistan. We flew around aimlessly in Irag in V-22s avoiding enemy contact, which was fine with me. The orders were to keep the Osprey otherwise known as the Albatross off the front page. Even at that we ere terrified every time we landed as we were forced to stay inside as the brown out created by the props because (you have to be powered all the way to the ground) was really a sand storm. At that point you are extremely vulnerable to an infrared seeking RPG. It is difficult to tell where the Marines end and Boeing begins. It is the plan of every officer involved to get a 6 figure job with Boeing when they retire, to qualify you have to play ball. Mean while us grunts get joy rides. Tourist trips coming to Afghanistan. We flew around aimlessly in Irag in V-22s avoiding enemy contact, which was fine with me. The orders were to keep the Osprey otherwise known as the Albatross off the front page. Even at that we ere terrified every time we landed as we were forced to stay inside as the brown out created by the props because (you have to be powered all the way to the ground) was really a sand storm. At that point you are extremely vulnerable to an infrared seeking RPG. It is difficult to tell where the Marines end and Boeing begins. It is the plan of every officer involved to get a 6 figure job with Boeing when they retire, to qualify you have to play ball. Mean while us grunts get joy rides.

]]> By: El Coquihttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6182 El Coqui Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:48:47 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6182 Yasotay:All early models are full of bugs, before they proved themselves. What was the jokes about the early Harrier crashes?The Osprey will do well, as its crews had a vested interests in coming home safe. Yasotay:

All early models are full of bugs, before they proved themselves. What was the jokes about the early Harrier crashes?

The Osprey will do well, as its crews had a vested interests in coming home safe.

]]> By: yasotayhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6099 yasotay Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:57:49 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6099 LOL, I remember all of the ugly arguments about the "Boeing Body Bag" (a.k.a. CH-47A)in the early 60's. I think only the aircraft nomenclature and location of the conflict have changed. LOL, I remember all of the ugly arguments about the “Boeing Body Bag” (a.k.a. CH-47A)in the early 60’s. I think only the aircraft nomenclature and location of the conflict have changed.

]]> By: Maj Eric Denthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6081 Maj Eric Dent Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:46:06 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6081 Clark -- really? I think you are misinformed about the comparison between CH-46Es and MV-22Bs. There is a significant difference between these two aircraft, especially (as an example) in the Afghanistan scenario. No doubt the CH-53Es are the best heavy lift helicopter we have, but they are not smaller than an MV-22. Regards, Maj Eric Dent, HQMC Public Affairs Clark — really? I think you are misinformed about the comparison between CH-46Es and MV-22Bs. There is a significant difference between these two aircraft, especially (as an example) in the Afghanistan scenario. No doubt the CH-53Es are the best heavy lift helicopter we have, but they are not smaller than an MV-22.
Regards,
Maj Eric Dent, HQMC Public Affairs

]]> By: Clark Etonhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/12/osprey-goes-to-sea-then-afghanistan-conway/#comment-6065 Clark Eton Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:45:26 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=4968#comment-6065 Someone please tell the CMC that the V-22 carries less vertically at high-hot conditions that the ancient CH-46E. (check NATOPS) The V-22 will be limited to airplane ops from airbases, like in Iraq, while helos fly helo missions. With only a 7.62mm gun on the ramp, the V-22 will stay far from any combat, as it did in Iraq. The old CH-53Es are the best choice since they have three .50 cals, can carry three times more payload, even though they are smaller than the V-22. Someone please tell the CMC that the V-22 carries less vertically at high-hot conditions that the ancient CH-46E. (check NATOPS) The V-22 will be limited to airplane ops from airbases, like in Iraq, while helos fly helo missions. With only a 7.62mm gun on the ramp, the V-22 will stay far from any combat, as it did in Iraq. The old CH-53Es are the best choice since they have three .50 cals, can carry three times more payload, even though they are smaller than the V-22.

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