John Young’s Valedictory Defense; ATL Ain’t Broke

John Young’s Valedictory Defense; ATL Ain’t Broke

As his days in office dwindle, the Pentagon’s acquisition czar John Young has issued a five-page memo slamming the latest GAO criticism of Pentagon acquisition, calling it “misleading, out-of-date and largely irrelevant to the current management of DoD programs.”

In fact, Young argues, the acquisition system is not “broken,” as so many politicians and commentators have claimed recently. Instead, much of the cost and schedule growth has come from “outside factors.” What are they? Young points to requirements changes and the budget process.

GAO concluded that 96 programs are responsible for an amazing $298 billion in cost overruns in 2008. That compares to 77 programs that had a still very impressive overrun of $183 billion in 2003.

The truth, Young avers, is that most of the programs that are over budget and behind schedule are older programs over which the current DoD management has had relatively little control. He also accuses GAO of comparing apples and oranges by not comparing the same programs in the two time periods.

He adds a detailed breakdown of the increased costs:

* $95.7 billion of the increase arose from the very simple act of buying more stuff than was previously planned for 18 programs.

* $72.2 billion derives from nine programs where quantities were cut or schedules were drawn out.

* Another $57 billion in 39 programs arose from cost growth in programs that grew less than 10 percent over their baseline. Young argued that this cost growth was largely caused by changes in the number of units bought and actually reflected “good unit cost control” in the face of program changes.

Taken together, those accounted for 40 percent of the cost growth, Young notes. Another $166.6 billion came from 28 programs which simply grew too much. The main villains here: “excessively low initial cost estimates, fluid requirements, optimistic schedules and assumptions, excessive application of government certification standards, initiation of development with immature design or technology, and poor performance by government and industry teams.”

Of the 96 programs, Young goes on, eight accounted for 79.9 of the cost growth. The evil eight (our phrase, not his) are: DDG 51, Future Combat System, Joint Strike Fighter, V-22, C-17, Virginia Class subs, C-130J and the Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles (FMTV). Six of those programs were started in or before 1996, Young writes. Perhaps his most disturbing conclusion is that most of the cost increases here (excepting DDG 51 and C-130J) occurred because “the entire national enterprise — acquisition, requirements, budgeting and funding, and industry performed poorly…” causing the nation to spend $160.5 billion it had not planned for.

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Hee. I love how costs go up both when we buy MORE units and when we buy FEWER units.

Or when cost on R/D gets outrageous!

Gee, another AT&L official denying that the system is broken. There have been numbers in Mil​.com as high as 900 billion in “not planned for” cost overruns in the last 8 years.

I’d be more inclined to believe Young if he’d tell us how the admittedly poor “national enterprise” performance issues are being corrected now that it IS his watch.

Or are we going to get only “we inherited these problems” diversions?

That congress wastes 4% of GDP on these guys is marvellous.

Young is (has been) basically clueless. Like most of the senior folk in the pentagon acquiring stuff.

His stances are juvenile.

He does not say that requirements changes result from: the acquisition system not understanding the users’ need in the first place, the users’ needs may not have been stated in time to spend the money (see budget process), or the contractor asked for relief from specifications and charged more. Also requirements changes occur from “selling” off the shelf and finding the thing don’t work.

Sometimes an Airbus just don’t do the job!

The budget factor implies DoD should buy the whole lot at once, which is ridiculous given the requirements fiasco.

If you had the pleasure to read his weekly missiles you could relate to the humor of the above.

It is insane to plan to fight WW II over and over again and maintain an industry for it.

Young’s point is that you need to look at context. He’s saying that the GAO’s report, by changing from one set of problem programs to another, is making it look like there hasn’t been any progress at all; when in fact there has been quite a bit of progress.

I also agree with his point about “excessive application of government certification standards”. MUOS nearly doubled in cost from the original proposal, because the original proposal was “don’t re-certify from commercial standards”, and they got all the way to PDR before the customer changed their mind…

You is wrong that the acquisition system is not “broken” but is correct that much of what is wrong is NOT the fault of acquisition but of forces outside the control of acquisition & that simply looking at the cost (overrun) numbers is misleading.

pfcem,

The pentagon is broken.

The management of war migrated across the river to Capitol Hill. It went from soldiers, engineers and writted contracting officers running the arsenals to a profit making sector of the economy. With one customer. That being congress.

The shift means that DoD is run for the industry not the other way around.

Old tale: When John Vessey was offered Sec Def, he replied I’d rather run it from ‘this side of the river’.

I suppose this is why Eisenhower warned of the influences of the military industrial complex.

loggie20,

Did you even READ my post?

I SAID THAT YOUNG WAS WRONG THAT THE ACQUISITION SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN!!!

AND I SAID THAT MUCH OF WHAT IS WRONG IS OUTSIDE THE CONTROL OF ACQUISITION.

“DoD is run for the industry?” Buddy, what are YOU smoking, and where can I get some?

If DoD were run for the industry, then TSAT would have been awarded back in 2004, we’d be building six AEHF and twelve WGS (along with nine MUOS), we’d by flying leased KC-767 tankers, we’d have 500 F-22 and 800 F-35 AND all of FCS…I don’t understand how you can look at the past ten years of defense acquisitions and claim that “DoD is run for the industry”.

Acquisition is broken and it starts with requirements. When the user can’t make up their and keeps changing key requirements, how can they expect a system to be delivered on-time and on-budget? Most of the “requirements” community can’t even tell you how a KPP is supposed to be written and the users refuse to accept incremental capabilities.

That’s where the biggest problem lies and that needs to be fixed before they over react and lay additional reviews and rules on the program managers.

loggie20, the 4% or so of the GDP that goes to defense spending is FAR better spent there, even with all of the problems, than in one of the welfare schemes or other places Obama would dump it. In fact it should be higher than 4%.

@Recon-Team, right on brother we should be spending 8% of our GDP on defense. I would rather employ scientists, engineers, nuclear physicists than ACORN workers filling out fraudulant voter registrations.

I love all those who claim the defense industry or the “evil” military industrial complex is in charge of the country. Don’t you think we would be spending slightly more on defense that we are. Don’t you think they could have told Obama to give them some of the $787 billion stimulas for weapons. Would Sec. Gates have had that press conference yesterday, wouldn’t the evil industry have stopped him. Grow up or wake up people.

My 04/06 10:52 comment is somewhat ironic in light of how things panned out.

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NHRonin: Bingo. The typical requirements process these days goes: 1) Aerospace Corp tells customer they should want something. 2) Contractor spends two months of fifty-hour workweeks writing the actual requirements statements. 3) Aerospace Corp tells us that it’s all wrong and that we have to rewrite 95% of what we did.

Note that nowhere in this process does the actual CUSTOMER appear…

That goes on at all levels of acquisition, Duck.

There are far too many retired officers and Sr. NCOs who are now contractors getting direct access to see decision makers and then selling them on their new widget…which amazingly then becomes a requirement even though it doesn’t appear in the ICD, CDD or CPD.

The decision makers are too weak to tell them to get lost…mostly because they know in a few years they’ll be the ones trying to sell company X’s widget.

The US could do better with a different arrangement.

After 39 years in work 4 of 10 F-22 are grounded at their flying units.

Good thing those are not providing for the common defense.

DensityDuck,

There isn’t enough money to buy all that stuff. There is more already bought than anything other than the jobs can justify. See above, just one example of shoddy outcomes.

ReconTeam/BobbyMike,

At least you didn’t say “ditto”.

The MICC is in charge of about 3% too much of the GDP. See above.

My opinion.

8% of GDP, where will the US get the money?

If my kids were getting Dminuses in school would I send them to Harvard?

Hmmm. C-130J. Gee, wasn’t that one of the Clinton era “acquisition reform” champions? Wasn’t the C-130J developed by Lockheed-Martin with corporate funds and to civil aircraft spec requirements (as opposed to DoD requirements and development)? Wasn’t that the program where nobody could figure out how to correlate civil aircraft requirements with military aircraft requirements so the airplane could undergo valid military operational testing? Wasn’t a lady named Druyan the acquisition reform thunderbolt lady? So, now let’s all ignore all of this historical reality for current day histrionics. Oh, and how many airlines are flying C-130J’s? The old mantra from DSMC was so true…“You want it bad? You get it bad.”

@loggie20 — gosh such wisdom and yet you deign to humble us with your brilliance.

Where did the US get the $787 billion for the recent stimulas? Where did it get the $1 trillion to buy back gov. bonds to increase the money supply? Where did they get the extra $500 billion the non-defense budget increased in FY10?

If your kids were getting d-minuses? With you as a parent I am sure they ARE getting D-minuses!

bobbymike,

It is not always welfare for poor people versus welfare for war profiteers.

What is bad about the stimulus?

Do you know how many infrastructure projects are funded in the stimulus? Any work on energy independence? Educating kids? Improving health care outcomes?

The stimulus is doing things that deliver the “public goods” as the economists say, national infrastructure, among other things.

Why is it always war machine that does nothing for the US compared welfare?

There are other things to do with the money.

The F-22 failed KPP’s that is an F grade anywhere else. It flies by politics, were it not for the politics the lack technical performance would demand it be canned.

Not only does the F-22 waste the airplanes but all the talent going into it should have done better for the nation.

The real problem is the AT&L have all the education requirements, special emphasis programs, and no knowledge of the warfighters needs. If instead of requiring 24 hours of business courses tehy required 2–3 years of operating a like system and did away with all the special emphasis (woman owned, blind, veteran, etc.) programs we coudl definetly get better products at cheaper price

@loggie — you have no facts on your side with anything you say.

Welfare for war profiteers? Thanks for advertising your politics that is a straight Marxist statement. You are a far left radical that would tear down everything this country stands for so you can get your free government cheese.

What F-22 are you talking? It is the best most technically advanced fighter plane ever built. Complex weapon systems need time to develop. Non-partison defense experts extol it war fighting capabilities on a regualr basis. It is performing very well in Red Flag exercises with 100–1 kill ratios.

There was just a report released that only $27 billion of the stimulas will be infrastructure and most won’t even be spent until 2010 or later.

Energy independence? By taxing small energy producers and not allowing drilling pretty much anywhere in the US. We cannot wait for cars that run on Unicorn farts or some other magical energy like you want to. Electric cars, when 50 million people plug in their cars drawing power from a neglected energy grid that is mostly coal fired plants what happens then, brown outs, black outs? Did you know their is a coal fired plant, nuclear plant, natural gas plant, hydroelectric dam, etc. at the end of your light socket? Or when you flick a switch a light bulb just magically turns on!!

Welfare does something for people? Keep them dependent on big brother government. We don’t want to keep scientists or engineers employed let’s have more people on welfare. Government assistance should be a safety net not a hammock.

Improving Healthcare outcomes? What does that even mean, is the Obama White House website permanently on your computer and you just quote verbatim?

Educating kids? The US spends the most per pupil on education and has some of the worst results in the industrialized world but you want to throw more money at it? When a weapon system doesn’t work you say waste of money but a failing education system “that needs more money”

While I support a person’s right to go on any website and comment I really have to wonder why you go to defense related websites you obviously have no idea about defense issues.

For fiscal year 2010 the federal government is spending (including the stimulas)over SEVEN times as much on non-defense as on defense and yet you just sit back and say more, more, more, gimme, gimme, gimme.

loggie20 said, “If my kids were getting Dminuses in school would I send them to Harvard?”

It would all depend on if they were affirmative action candidates like Obama now wouldn’t it? A “Dminus” for an affirmative action candidate would move that candidate to the top five to percent wouldn’t it? Then you could sail right on in to Harvard.

In the Chicago Police Department, affirmative action candidates scoring in the 40th percentile are often rescaled into the top five to ten percent.

Truly chuckle worthy commentary. Ah, I just love the smell of hate in the morning! Throw out a position on darn near anything and watch the ‘antis’ swarm. The best thing about the next four years is going to be the sound of whining from the far Reich. Hold close your ARs, stockpile your Soviet-era AK knockoffs & PMC ammo & listen for the sound of the black UN helicopters-Obama is giving all your tax dollars to welfare mothers! He bowed to a Saudi! May your greatest fears come true and your neighbors all be ethnic and/or gay! May that married gay!
DoD needs to stop the revolving door-today a one/two/three/four button & tomorrow a Boeing, Lock Mart, Raytheon, Dyn-whatever, L3, etc VP. There’s a big part of your problem.

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