Prez Pledges Piracy Action; Experts Say US Forces Not Suited

Prez Pledges Piracy Action; Experts Say US Forces Not Suited

Everyone is feeling fine about the three good shots by the SEALs that took out the pirates and freed the captain of the Maersk Alabama. And President Obama pledged this afternoon to “halt the rise of piracy” But almost certainly more hostages will be taken, either at sea or on land, and there really isn’t much the US Navy or the SEALs can do to prevent that happening, according to two experts at the Naval War College in Newport, RI.

And the US probably should not spend more or do much more to combat a problem that is, in national security terms, relatively insignificant — though emotionally laden. (For example, consider how much US treasure and blood is worth being spilled to combat men such as the fella in the picture.)

“The Navy is not designed to provide hostage rescue or prevent ships from being hijacked. SEALs are focused on counterterrorism operations in Iraq. The Marines are focused on counter-insurgency ops in Afghanistan,” argues Derek Reveron, a professor of national security affairs in Newport.


The Somalis demonstrated their unusual talent for stupid revenge by trying to mortar Rep. Donald Payne, as he left their country, only to kill or injure almost 20 of their countrymen. Payne certainly deserves kudos for taking his job as chairman of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Africa seriously enough to risk capture or death. Having travelled to Somalia and its neighbors often during almost six years in East Africa I can tell you just how stupid and cheap life and death can be when some sub clan becomes aggrieved or a clan leader thinks you’ve offended him.

That gives weight to Reveron’s assessment that, overall, piracy is a relatively unimportant national security problem. “Since piracy is a small nuisance, resources should not be redirected to confront a small problem where self defense by merchant ships is best solution,” he says, adding that military action in Somalia to try and trim the pirates’ sails “would be relatively ineffective and undermine US efforts to reassure partners in Africa.”

So, as often happens with highly irritating but newsy problems such as piracy and the more virulent forms of terrorism, the question is how do we accept the problem without encouraging it and manage it to ensure its impact on US and allied interests remains at the really itchy level. We have to scratch it occasionally but most of the time we can ignore it or spread soothing oils on it.

Obama’s declaration today that he will halt piracy’s rise may fit within the itch management spectrum or it may signal mission creep in the face of success, something Naval War College professor Nikolas Gvosdev cautions against: “It’s the classic problem: you have a success and then you widen the mission.”

Also, for the US to take a more active role in piracy to protect ships that do not fly the American ensign may raise the uncomfortable question of why are we spending our national treasure to protect ships flying Liberian, Panamanian or other flags.

“Over time, Obama is going to have to justify why he has to spend money to protect [shipping] companies” that fly flags of convenience to save money on standards and crews and are not, under both US and international law, entitled to the protection of US warships.

One potential solution I have heard discussed is deploying Coast Guard units to Djibouti and Mombasa to patrol the Somali coast as they do the US coast and parts of the Caribbean looking for drug smugglers. But Gvosdev says the Navy is very uncomfortable with deploying Coasties to the region at a time when the service’s basic roles and missions and budget are all being debated.

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Maybe we cant stop it but we sure can cause a ruckus on the waters.… i dont think we can deploy land forces.. you have to atleast have support of some of the people to do land based operations… that would be a disaster.. sending the coasties? maybe to hang off shoree.. but i sure as hell wouldnt have them dock there… you will just provoke the radicals to blow themselves up.… or get in a gunfight.. or possibley get their boat rpged.. you just couldnt secure the boats there.. its lawless…

i say deploy a couple amphibious assault boats to the coast… use them as your own forward operating base to conduct sweeps and offensive assaults against these guys w/small gun boats, helicopters, maybe even a ac130?… they coordinate over radios and satilite phones… by using UAV’s and some good inteligence work we can figure out what these freaks are up to, and target them on the way to their targets, or simply confiscate and scuttle their boats.. There is a lot of these guys so we will no means stop these guys… but you cant just let them do what they want! make them think twice… i mean right now they have no-one to counter them… they are un-opposed…(unless you highjack a U.S or french boat…) Once we make this about money and death… things will start turnging around!

LoS precludes an officially sanctioned, armed interdiction against these clowns prior to an overtly aggressive act by the “pirates”.

Furthermore, any aircraft or USN vessel from Diego Garcia or elsewhere would most likely have to wait for executive authorization BEFORE engaging Capt. Jack Sparrow in his zodiac (with one or more civilian hostages on board).

ST6/DEVGRU and their specOps ilk around the world are the only viable solution to this sort of backsliding into the 18th century…

Why don’t we make a provision in the international sea-faring laws that any merchant ship transiting the Horn of Africa may be armed until reaching the nearest port outside of the danger-zone?

I’d like to see a couple of pirates take on another Maersk Alabama brimming with M2’s or miniguns.

Its a simple fix really. We just need the right leadership and determination to make this happen. But any force needs to find and destroy all the Pirate motherships known to operate in International waters.

You will also need to fix and destroy all known Pirate land bases that support the motherships at sea as well through Naval and air force capability.

The world can’t’ be held captive by organized Somali Pirates who receive their logistical and monetary support from Al-Queada. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.

Actually piracy is terrorism!Its the same as shooting rockets at ungodly hours at night etc…Therefore you have a locked mind feature,
called fear…

Kayaker!You think its a joke right?Yes!Only a person who see’s the future does that…And He alows it and its connected to prophecy.…Thats
why we can’t stop terrorists.Ultimate strategy
against sin,death,world and satan!

Yes, the United States can put a stop to it!

Paul:

What are you talking about?!

“shooting rockets at ungodly times of night”?!! As opposed to what? More polite hours of the day like after nap-time in the afternoon???

Please forgive me if I’m wrong (I’m a mere mortal and not beyond reproach). But from what I just read, you and Osama seem to be on the same theosophical page…

Paul, I really can’t take you serious here. For one, your now ranting and your use of diction is horrendous. Don’t preach to me about Pirates and if they are Terrorists or anything else considered Evil.

As I said before, Piracy can be combatted properly if there is a will. Remember, GOOD will ALWAYS conquer EVIL. Understand that point and you will go a long ways in life.

Piracy on the high seas is, by international law, one of the PRIMARY causes for a Navy to exist. It is the only peacetime reason — to defend a nation’s maritime trades. Therefore, (I can’t believe I’m DEFENDING Obama!) it’s absolutely RIGHT for Obama to send USN warships and USMC personnel into East African waters to seek out and destroy these Somali pirates.
Doesn’t ANYONE remember the first line of the Marine Hymn?
“From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores or Tripoli,” The shores of Tripoli, where Lt. Duane O’Bannon took his Marines ashore to fight against Barbary Pirates in 1805, when it was decided we would no longer pay tribute to them in order to keep our merchant seamen and their passengers safe from piracy. We meant it then, and we still do.
BUT, to do this, it will mean expanding the Fleet and the Corps; we can NOT perform this NECESSARY job with the resources we have on hand.
Also, it will require the willingness of our political leadership to go after the merchants who support the pirates — the fences. The guys who accept their hijacked ships and resell them, who bankroll and support them, and who launder their ransoms. If we’re not willing to do that, we’ve already lost the fight.

Simple solition: We know where the pirates are based and that they use mother ships. Place a warship within gun range of each location. Whenever a potential mother ship is spotted on radar, send out an unmanned aircraft to confirm. Radio them to turn back. No response, one shot across their bow. No response, fire for effect. If there is a suspected mother ship at sea, send in an unmanned aircraft to confirm. We could also use some of the unmanned armed aircraft to attack the mother ships and smaller vessels.
Secondly, we need one massed attack to all locations we know of where hostages are being held to free as many as possible. Seals in first followed by marines in V-22’s and amphibious vehicles. Sites confirmed by satellite and unmanned aircraft.

Just like in WW2 when German subs attacked all types of shipping, these pirates are a problem to maritime commerce which effects the world economies. Just like in WW2 the U.S. needs to take aggressive action; such as pickets, enlisting Temporary members of the USCG under title 14 usc sec 706 to stand guard on some of the U.S. flag ships also they could augment regular coast guard on patrol in areas where the pirates are known to ply. With the way the U.S. economy is now we do not need more things that would make the price of things such as oil to go up. maritime commerce is vital to our economy and could become a national security issue if more organized terrorist takes up the cause of these pirates.

There are too much politics involved with any type of land based incursion into somalia to combat piracy.…

the only way we can do this is at sea… my guess is targeting the mother ships that are extending the pirates range (as they are using small speedboats for the actual hijacking). Once you can do this you can simply keep a safe distance away from somalia.

Only problem is i dont think we have the right resources in the region on this project.… We need a lot of smaller faster gunboat/assault ships to attack these mother ships (as they have tons of them). While a huge guided missle surface ship can take a small boat, just not the number of them spread out over hundreds of miles.

OK, it may not be a job for the USN or the USA’s military. However, something must be done with this issue to make hijacking or the attempt of hijacking so costly the pirates think twice before attempting it. How can this be done? Suggest the shipping companies of the world employ companies like Black Water to ride “shotgun” on their ships. If small teams of protectors (say five individuals) are on board with the ability to protect and defend the ships against these hijackers, they would not want to play their high stakes games. As stated several times before, this is not a USA problem, nor is it another countries problem. This is a shipping industry problem and they will have to fix it. Paying teams of guards to deal with their problem should be justified. NO prisoners will be taken. If they are bold enough to attempt a hijacking, they should be shot in their attempt or allowed to swim for it without the aid of a boat or a board to hold on to. Once this is adapted and challenged successfully a couple of times, these troubled waters would once again return to safe to proceed.

Have you heard Ron Pauls plan? Mercenaries… not a bad idea i think… Let blackwater at it.…

Why can’t we revert to WWII methods of convoy. In WWII. the Allied nations would attach Navy vessels to convoys running the German blockades to get supply’s to Russia, england, etc. The other thing they did was to change maratime law to allow merchantmen to be armed. Navy and cost guard personel were placed on the ships also to man the big guns. If each U.N. Nation did this it would end. On approach blow them out of the water, no discussion or negotiations. You cannot reason with animals.

convoys work good against other big boats.. these guys are in fast dingys.… kind of overkill… we just need to iradicate the bigger vessels they use to get soo far out to sea.

How did this come to be America’s problem to fix?! Well, nobody else has the stomach or balls for it. Fortunately for the Captain, Obama retrieved his nuts back from moth-ball and made a decision we can all respect. We have the biggest and best Navy on the planet — lets start using it when our interests are threated. As for the pirates land based assets — B-52’s doing 24/7 bombing runs, bring the rain (AC-130’s) to do the mopp-up.

I don’t buy this crap about somalia having not functional gov’t — it’s a criminal gov’t but a gov’t nonetheless. My 2 cents.

Piracy is terrorism,plain and simple. Don’t forget that Kenya is right below Somalia. Imagine if we stationed a few A10 Warthogs there. A merchant ship calls in a mayday and 1/2 hour later, the A10 rips apart the bathtub these idiots are using with its minigun. Game over. I guess that is too simple for Washington to figure out.

And Jimbo is dead on. Blackwater just found a brand new role. They wouldn’t take this crap and they wouldn’t have to answer to the pantie-wearing weasels in Washington.

criminal govt’s are not functional… thats why nothing gets done there.…. hence why its called NOT FUNCTIONAL

Ship owners don’t value human life. Insurance companies will re-imburse them no matter what. Sailors should be able to protect themselves. Tasers come to mind. Also, why can’t an electrical grid be fitted to the ship’s sides so that when pirates try to board, they can be zapped…might work for other rats, too.
Pirate’s ships should be sunk so they have no escape. Perhaps if Somalia’s people were denied food, they would identify pirates. U.S. gives too much to these countries who hate us.

@Jimbo:

First off (Blackwater) doesn’t exist anymore, it’s called Xe and pronounced ‘zee’
Secondly, there are plans for them to scale back that side of the business.
Lastly, they don’t have the capacity to go after these pirates at sea. They only have one rather large vessel that isn’t outfitted with weapons. Xe at its core is a training and logistics business now, with security being a side lined business. Come May we’ll get all the specifics on what they are planning to do with their security contractors (army), GSD Manufacturing, US Training Center, and Guardian Flight Systems.

So no, they nor DynCorp or Triple Conopy

…will not be asked to take on this task

I heard something interesting within the last few days on NPR. One major reason shipping lines don’t want to arm their crews is that their insurance rates would go way up if they do. I’m not sure that makes sense but I’m sure there’s some twisted mathematical justification for it. Maybe the equally twisted solution is to encourage the pirates to demand higher ransoms to encourage insurance companies to do away with incentives for defenseless crews.

You know, people need to rise up and say enough is enough. We have spineless fools who don’t have the stomach to fight for what is right and just. These pirates need to be shut down before any other ship is taken captive or another hostage taken. Thats reality. We simply have to stand up and demand action now. The pansies will have no other option but to take heed.

PUT MICROWAVE RAY GUN ON THE DECK AND HOT BLAST ‘EM!

Why do you think the Marine Corps Hymn has the line “…to the shores of Tripoli?” We’ve used the Marines before to fight piracy on the high seas: we invaded Tripoli, Libya to stop the Barbary pirates a century and a half ago (and it worked). Piracy is terrorism on the high seas. One of the jobs of the Navy is to keep the shipping lanes free and open. Let them do their jobs.

In the late 1980s / early 1990s, I live in Houston, TX. The area was having a real problem with violent armed convience store roberies. The Harris County Sheriff’s set-up some “shotgun squads” that set up in the back room of likly targets. After a few of the bad guys had gotton blown away, the number of robberies dropped dramatically. Just like the Sheriff’s Department didn’t have the manpower to cover every convenience store, I sure the Navy could put marine / seal teams on every US flagged ship. However, why can’t they put some on randomly selected potential targets. Even the old “Q” ship strategy from WWI has some merit. Modified cargo ships that concealed heavy weapons sailed likly areas of raider and submarine attack. When the raiders approaced, the concealment was dropped and the weapons brought into action. Obviously, the approached would have to be modified to counter more modern technology. However, the concepts are still valid. The bottom line is that you have to have the will to use force or the problem will never be solved.

U.S.Coast Guard DOG’s air lifted with drop boats 5 miles out from pirates. Joint SEAL/PSU/Force Recon Boarding teams. We need that specops air wing, since overwatch with modified sea surface landing Cobra’s would be primary gunships.

If any of you Olympic Task Force vets like me are out there, you know how we used the Icebreakers as mother ships with RHIB’s.
The U.S. Coast Guard is Uncle Sam’s pirate fleet.
14USC89!!

The Navy did not want the PSU’s until the Cole was blown up. Commandant Allen, this is the time for you to push, as I know you are Sir.

Unleash the DOG’s!

9th PSU lead the way! Urragh!

Bring back the flying boats armed with miniguns and small rockets,
Slow flying with heads up,
Cheap to deploy and effective

Barbary Pirates: Presley O’Bannon if memory serves.

I think the solution is to issue arms (and make sure they know how to use them) to the crews of the merchantmen. It would be a simple task to rake their skiffs with fire. A few such incidents and I’ll wager the buggers stay a bit closer to home.

I agree on blowing the pirates out of the water but a long term solution is needed. As long as you have people living in desperation they will be doing desperate things. If you have been to Somlia or Djibuti or any where in that area you know these people basically have a day to day existance. The warlords are providing this wonderful employment opportunity so thay can feed the families. Its like busting a pot smoker and expect to stop the drug trade. They will both be examples of delayed success.

How about merchantmen with an arms locker???

I mean, at 20 to 4 odds, all the merchant crew needs is a few AK-47 asault rifles of their own, a little training, and post a watch.

I don’t see why I can get a concealed carry permit in Texas, where anyone would be crazy to do something like piracy, but merchantmarines can’t have a weapon.

At $50 a piece, the BATF ought o be buying them up and distributing them to those in need, rather than torching them up and driving domestic import prices up to voer $600.

Gun control means, a good sight picture and squeeze the trigger.

What would it cost to assemble a squadron or two of UAV’s that could escort American flagged ships through these areas. We could even lease the service to other vessels on a per trip basis to cover fuel, manpower, ordinance and misc. expenses. The insurance companies would save a fortune and the program should be cost neutral after a yr or even turn a profit. JMHO

I would just put private securtiy on the boat… 5 guys w/guns.. maybe a mounted 50cal front and aft.. smoke-em

Prior to and through WWII, under the guidance of the US Navy our merchant marine armed their ships against possible attacks by axis powers. The ships had deck guns as well as small arms, The crew was trained in the use of the weapons and prepared to defend their ship.
Piracy, is nothing but a form of terrorism,if let to go unchallanged it will grow and more innocent people will be held hostage and more ransome will be payed.
To some in our government, piracy may appear
to be only a small problem not worthy of the full might of our nation but it’s amazing how uncontested fear mongers lead to the perpetrators becomeing more bold in their actions.
Remember only a few months ago the pirates went out 30 miles now it’s 200 miles.

Attacks on US shipping leds us to a World War. Now another US vessel was attacked and damaged. Ehere were the the Navy fighters that could have been on the stop in no time to blow these scum suckers back to their maker. I’m tired of hearing about civillian causalties, we didn’t worry about them in WWI or WWII so bomb the cities these people operate out of. I’m sure then their own people will give them up. Let’s quit playing games.

Hess I agree you could do that provided the .50 cals were semi-automatic (US flag and all) it would still do the job.
Seems to me if you justed hung a layer of razer wire over the edge would give them a nice surprise…

Flame throwers shot from the deck as the pirates climb, then snipers man the rails and pick off the pirates as they float smokin’ and burnin’ like flares on the water.
I call it the “Crab lice treatment” Like using a right guard can and an ice pick.

This pirate crap is for the birds. I say and will keep on saying that its the UN that has to take care of this. They are jumping ships of all countries and that makes it right for the UN. Of course the idiots that sit up in New York UN place can’t agree on how to change a baby. So we can not expect to much from that way. If the US companies send a ship to that area they better put people on board to fight or stay out of there. If these creeps keep getting away with their crap then look out some copy cats ome place else may start up.

Its a length and half a length of chaos!

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