Comments on: The Ungoverned Space Moves Out to Sea; Clinton Outlines Response http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:04:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jock Williamshttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/#comment-7339 Jock Williams Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:32:23 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=5754#comment-7339 The first worthwhile step is for some "unknown but capable country" to wipe out the ground bases of these pirates. No fuss, no bother -we know where they live -so kill them!Having done so definitively -THEN you can arm the remaining ships -but you will already have removed the main incentives.The problem is that we waited so long to get started.Remember the words of the Marine Hymn? Doesn't anyone else remember that "The Shores of Tripoli" mentioned in the song refer to where the Tripoli pirates lived?We know where the Somali pirates live!Do you have any further (stupid) questions?Jock Williams Yogi 13 The first worthwhile step is for some “unknown but capable country” to wipe out the ground bases of these pirates. No fuss, no bother –we know where they live –so kill them!

Having done so definitively –THEN you can arm the remaining ships –but you will already have removed the main incentives.

The problem is that we waited so long to get started.

Remember the words of the Marine Hymn? Doesn’t anyone else remember that “The Shores of Tripoli” mentioned in the song refer to where the Tripoli pirates lived?

We know where the Somali pirates live!

Do you have any further (stupid) questions?

Jock Williams Yogi 13

]]> By: JShttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/#comment-7334 JS Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:40:56 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=5754#comment-7334 I agree and I just don't get it. Independent companies are venturing out of their country's territorial area and into known dangerous waters: so why are tax payers expected to protect them with government and military protection, rescue, and further costly (financial and citizen lives) political involvement to find the reason they are pirating? If they want to be pirates, let them; and let the ships defend themselves. Why shouldn't these independent, for-profit companies protect their own vessels, crew and cargo? Goodness. Why not get back to using our dollars to protect our own soil, our boundaries, our people. If you choose to travel outside your borders, do so at your own risk and own expense. These agencies and politicians are simply concerned about job securities - theirs. And as a female captain who ventured out into foreign waters and open seas in a 24 ft sailboat at the age of 22 with no one else responsible for my safety....I say these shipping companies and captains need to get real and take ownership of their own choices. If your ship, cargo and crew are worth defending, then arm yourselves and do it, and don't hide in your cabin waiting for a destroyer to handle your small jobs. I agree and I just don’t get it. Independent companies are venturing out of their country’s territorial area and into known dangerous waters: so why are tax payers expected to protect them with government and military protection, rescue, and further costly (financial and citizen lives) political involvement to find the reason they are pirating? If they want to be pirates, let them; and let the ships defend themselves. Why shouldn’t these independent, for-profit companies protect their own vessels, crew and cargo? Goodness. Why not get back to using our dollars to protect our own soil, our boundaries, our people. If you choose to travel outside your borders, do so at your own risk and own expense. These agencies and politicians are simply concerned about job securities — theirs. And as a female captain who ventured out into foreign waters and open seas in a 24 ft sailboat at the age of 22 with no one else responsible for my safety.…I say these shipping companies and captains need to get real and take ownership of their own choices. If your ship, cargo and crew are worth defending, then arm yourselves and do it, and don’t hide in your cabin waiting for a destroyer to handle your small jobs.

]]> By: Suzette Jamiesonhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/#comment-7326 Suzette Jamieson Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:45:19 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=5754#comment-7326 Other countries have GOT to get involved. The US cannot always be fixing everyone's problems.I think the individual shipping lines need to protect their own ships ... however they see fit to do it. The military cannot just be "hanging around" in case something happens. Other countries have GOT to get involved. The US cannot always be fixing everyone’s problems.

I think the individual shipping lines need to protect their own ships … however they see fit to do it. The military cannot just be “hanging around” in case something happens.

]]> By: Aurorahttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/#comment-7321 Aurora Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:31:38 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=5754#comment-7321 Ed Ward says "Provide armed on board protection for US flagged shipping and let every other country do the same or deal with the results".Spot on, Ed! The last thing we need to do is charge in like the calvary, destroy a pirate lair, and then have a host of EU lawyers file cases for human rights violations at the Hague. The UN was utterly feckless in its dealings with the genocide in Darfur and Rawanda. Perhaps they might want to tackle what is truly an international problem? I pray this administration does not allow themselves to be talked into taking a "leading role" here.We have demonstrated that we can take care of our own. There is too much cost and downside risk playing the beat cop in the world any more. Ed Ward says “Provide armed on board protection for US flagged shipping and let every other country do the same or deal with the results”.

Spot on, Ed! The last thing we need to do is charge in like the calvary, destroy a pirate lair, and then have a host of EU lawyers file cases for human rights violations at the Hague. The UN was utterly feckless in its dealings with the genocide in Darfur and Rawanda. Perhaps they might want to tackle what is truly an international problem? I pray this administration does not allow themselves to be talked into taking a “leading role” here.

We have demonstrated that we can take care of our own. There is too much cost and downside risk playing the beat cop in the world any more.

]]> By: Ed Wardhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/04/15/the-ungoverned-space-moves-to-sea-clinton-outlines-us-piracy-response/#comment-7278 Ed Ward Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:30:22 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=5754#comment-7278 The very last thing we should do is try once again to deal with Somali Warlords and/or the current government. Been there done that - it sounds so easy and certainly appealed to the "other" Clinton. Bottom line is money. Somali govt and more importantly Somali "elders" are only looking for money.Food aid and other badly needed basics of life will never flow to the average Somali.Somalia is all about tribes,retribution and money.Provide armed on board protection for US flagged shipping and let every other country do the same or deal with the results. We have far more important matters on our plate at home and elsewhere abroad. The very last thing we should do is try once again to deal with Somali Warlords and/or the current government. Been there done that — it sounds so easy and certainly appealed to the “other” Clinton. Bottom line is money. Somali govt and more importantly Somali “elders” are only looking for money.

Food aid and other badly needed basics of life will never flow to the average Somali.

Somalia is all about tribes,retribution and money.

Provide armed on board protection for US flagged shipping and let every other country do the same or deal with the results. We have far more important matters on our plate at home and elsewhere abroad.

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