FCS: A Closer Look at Gates’ Cuts

FCS: A Closer Look at Gates’ Cuts

UPDATED: With Gates’ Saying FCS Was “Hardest Decision” And Details on Discussions With Army Leaders

During a recent breakfast with Sen. Carl Levin, the powerful chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, I asked him whether, as the senior senator from a state with extremely high unemployment, he could support killing the Manned Ground Vehicle portion of FCS.

Levin was frank, saying he hoped he could support such a whack to his state if it was necessary, but acknowledging that he had to help his constituents as well. If MGV — the industrial centerpiece of FCS — is cancelled it would be a substantial hit for the state with arguably the highest employment rate in the country. The entire FCS program will contribute an estimated $590 million to Michigan and give rise to roughly 10,000 jobs (direct and indirect) in 2009.

But the impact of Gates’ decision to cancel the MGV really is difficult to ascertain at this point. Part of that springs from the fact that the Army leadership opposed Gates’ decision to the end, as he made clear in answer to a question at the Army War College on Thursday.


“FCS was the hardest decision I had to make, and partly it was because the leadership of the Army was so committed to it. I had a number of meetings. In addition to the group meetings that I just talked about, I had a number of meetings with Secretary Geren and with General Casey. And we talked about it many, many times. And I made a decision that I think it’s fair to say they disagree with,” Gates said. The Army’s opposition has led to its being caught flat-footed in how to respond to the MGV cancellation.

But there may be an upside to Gates’ decision. He said he was accelerating the so-called spin out of FCS technologies “to all combat brigades.” An industry source argued this might well mean reserve and active forces, for a total of more than 72 brigades, which would mark a substantial increase to the buy. But an Army source expressed skepticism about this interpretation, saying it almost certainly applied only to the 45 active Army brigade combat teams Gates said he will approve (down from 48).

The gap to watch lies in what Gates said about vehicles and how they relate to FCS. He seemed to indicate that MRAPs might well become part of the program. The Pentagon “should relaunch the Army’s vehicle modernization program, including a competitive bidding process,” Gates said. The industry and Army source both said this appeared to raise the possibility of JLTV, MRAPs and other ground vehicles being included in FCS. It also seems to raise the possibility of the Army doing a complete rethink of all its tactical vehicles.

Given how much unhappiness there is in the Army and Marines with the maintainability of the MRAPs it seems unlikely they would buy too many of the existing MRAPs, but if they are made part of FCS it would be very difficult for the Army to buy new tactical vehicles. As Gates noted in his speech, the country has spent $25 billion on MRAPs already. The goal, Gates said, is “an Army vehicle modernization program designed to meet the needs of the full spectrum of conflict.”

A mix of light, medium and heavy armored vehicles — Stryker, MRAP, JLTV and some sort of NLOS-C — might be the way ahead.

Figuring out what’s real and what’s not at this stage is extremely challenging. The Army, surprised by Gates’ decision to kill MGV, is deep in the throes of beginning to figure out just what it all means and how much it will cost. And lawmakers have not seen the 2010 budget numbers yet, so don’t necessarily take their relative silence for acquiescence. The budget release date stll isn’t set but May 11 keeps surfacing as a target. Watch for fireworks soon after.

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Even military professionals (having been one myself) would immediately point out that we should NOT purchase vehicles based on the unemployment figures for one State. As tough as it is to be unemployed, there are worse fates.

Professional warriors can question the wisdom of deferring the process of refreshing our worn vehicles, and would question the reliance on a vehicle best suited to an occupation force (not to quote Secretary Wynne too much). The Israelis, in Lebanon, used tanks — not the armored vehicles they deploy in the West Bank.

It seems we are deferring purchasing new vehicles — because the money (all borrowed) is being used to wire rural area for high speed Internet. So they can shop faster?

Yesterday at Georgetown University President Obama announced that SECdef Gates was “right on target with the program cuts that SecDef Gates announced” this month. Today the Secretary announced that the FCS Program (office) will still get the full funding for new vehicles. Mr. Gates also said that new competition for the vehicles is needed and that the current contractual arrangements troubled him. Only a portion of the PMO is in Michigan and only a small portion of defense contractor jobs are in Michigan. Hopefully the Army will follow guidance and terminate the MGVs on the LSI contract and all the associated hardware LRUs and Software associated with them on the LSI contract.…and let the Army PMO office in Michigan run a new requirements ORD with TRADOC AND THE COMBATANT COMMANDERS located in Virginia and Kentucky, etc. The LSI ran this program in a non productive way and need to stay out of the new competition (useless they win against the vehicle competitors). If the Army allows the Lead systems Integrator contractor continue to go their direction and the vehicle dvelopers and their suppliers go another direction regarding requirements this program will be another failure and will be worst than it is today. The Army needs to be morally and ethically right in terminating the LSI and let them see how they proceed with the so called network and integration of the UAV, Ground Sensors, Launched missles, and iRobots SUGV (NOTE THAT ALL THESE PRODUCTS WERE DEVELOPED AND BUILT PRIOR TO THEM BEING GFX’D TO THE LSI) Why is Boeing still being looked at to “get” the revamped ground vehicles? Let the vehicle manufacturers do it…FORD DID IN WWII..maybe the auto industry who gave us the JEEP and HUMMVEE…can do it?

Recall that neither the Army or the vehicle competitors have successfully developed and fielded a new ground combat vehicle since the 1970s. Everything thing since has been an upgrade to an existing platform — Stryker/LAV/Mowag. So PMO and vehicle competitors require supervision from a design/integration agent that has recent experience in the development of entirely new platforms.

Absent the ability to analyze, trade and constrain requirements, the PMO will produce yet another 70 ton vehicle that is not interoperable with the rest of the force.

Mike,

In response to your comments:

1. “Only a portion of the PMO is in Michigan and only a small portion of defense contractor jobs are in Michigan.” Actually there are 10,000+ jobs tied to FCS in Michigan and the economic impact of the program this year is $590 million. In a state with double digit unemployment, that is significant.

2. “The LSI ran this program in a non productive way and need to stay out of the new competition (useless they win against the vehicle competitors).” What is interesting is that there was no competition for the MGV portion of the FCS program. The Army simply awarded it sole source to GD and BAE. The LSI had no choice in the matter.

3. “If the Army allows the Lead systems Integrator contractor continue to go their direction and the vehicle dvelopers and their suppliers go another direction regarding requirements this program will be another failure and will be worst than it is today.” Requirements depend on where you sit. If you are talking the ORD, then only the Army can change that. In fact, only the Army can change the requirements. The LSI executes FCS according to the Army plan. Any insinuation to the contrary is just false.

4. “let the Army PMO office in Michigan run a new requirements ORD with TRADOC AND THE COMBATANT COMMANDERS located in Virginia and Kentucky, etc.” TRADOC is in charge of the ORD — they are the soldier’s rep. ASAALT and the PMs can’t change the ORD, only TRADOC. What combatant commander is in Kentucky? The only combatant commander in Virginia is JFCOM and they don’t go out and fight anybody…Are you talking about the Unit of Action Maneuver Battle Lab that used to be at Knox? It’s been gone for years.

5. “FORD DID IN WWII” There is no rebuttal to that statement. Its ridiculousness stands on its own.

Obama is already dictating that the detroit 3 are to make al gore type golfcarts — which are, of course, even less useful to the DOD than what they already build

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Armywonk,
I have a hard time believing that the LSI executed to the Army plan. The Army plan did not include huge overruns and delays. The LSI executes to the customer’s plan and to the need to make a profit. Some companies put the latter first, others assume that a happy customer will drive profits. Giving this LSIs similarly dismal performance on JTRS Cluster 1, SBInet and FCS I can only assume which is their priority.

The concept of having an LSI that only has a significant stake during development (Boeing was not allowed to be a hardware supplier) is flawed since there is no incentive for them to push the program into production. They make more money the longer the program is in development. That was a mistake by the Army.

I worked for an FCS system supplier. It took nearly a year for Boeing to flow down requirements to us because of the system of systems complexity. The document we got was poor and immediately led to execution delays and technical problems. I do not believe that was part of the Army’s plan either.

Both me and my wife have been laid off due to Gates’ decision to cut the MGV portion of FCS. We now have to sell our home, put our dogs up for adoption, and sell the only thing we have of value ( our American made cars). We did not need this. Michigan did not need this. Thank you for making us a statistic.

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