Comments on: Hill Fires C-17 Budget Shot http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:05:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ChuckLhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8095 ChuckL Tue, 12 May 2009 18:30:46 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8095 The production of aircraft and ships for our military use also creates jobs in the U. S. and the money wasted on bonuses paid to Obama's supporters in AIG and other businesses, as well as the Labor unions could have easily paid for all of the requested aircraft and the navy ships that were canceled.Obama promised to strengthen the U. S. Military. He is instead destroying its capability. I see no other conclusion. The production of aircraft and ships for our military use also creates jobs in the U. S. and the money wasted on bonuses paid to Obama’s supporters in AIG and other businesses, as well as the Labor unions could have easily paid for all of the requested aircraft and the navy ships that were canceled.

Obama promised to strengthen the U. S. Military. He is instead destroying its capability. I see no other conclusion.

]]> By: ChuckLhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8094 ChuckL Tue, 12 May 2009 18:26:20 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8094 Aircraft are designed for a "service Life" measured in hours. When you use them at 171% of design, their life time reduced to only 58% of design.We must buy more. Aircraft are designed for a “service Life” measured in hours. When you use them at 171% of design, their life time reduced to only 58% of design.

We must buy more.

]]> By: Colehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8018 Cole Fri, 08 May 2009 22:28:14 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8018 From the Headquarters Air Mobility Command White Paper "KC-X: The Next Mobiliity Platform, The Need for a Flexible Tanker": "The Mobility Capability Study (MCS) and subsequent excursions in the past year (MCS-06) highlight the nation’s need for strategic and theater mobility capability in airlift and aerial refueling. It’s important to recognize that current plans for future force structure are funded only to support THE BOTTOM OF THE MCS RANGE in each mission area. MCS calls for 292 to 383 strategic tails (C-17s and “fully modernized” C-5s). The US currently has a program for 190 C-17s and 111 aging C-5s." ========================================== Call me a country bumpkin Alabama Army advocate, but when I add up 205 C-17s + 111 aging C-5s (forgive me, I don't have enough fingers and toes) I think it adds up to 316 airframes. 316 airframes is far closer to 292 (the lowside) than to 383 (the highside) is it not? I mean, wouldn't you much rather have 316 trucks to move your double-wide furniture in a hurry than just 383? But then what do we know. We're just joint land component C-17 users.General Barry McCaffrey called for 600 C-17s and said the Army should size its vehicles based on the C-17 instead of the C-130. Because Sec of Defense Gates wants bigger future Army vehicles, does it not follow that we need more C-17 airlift to transport some of those vehicles?Somehow the USAF was going to come up with enough squadrons for 381 F-22s. Somehow the USAF wants 500 plus KC aircraft at a cost of over $100 billion to support primarily themselves and will find the force structure and funds for that. Something tells me there are a few Airmen out there that could be diverted to flying/maintaining C-17s to support the joint force. Maybe instead of using C-17 pilot to fly UAS out of Creech you could have enlisted guys do that?But then what do those of know who aren't in the USAF!!! From the Headquarters Air Mobility Command White Paper “KC-X: The Next Mobiliity Platform, The Need for a Flexible Tanker”: “The Mobility Capability Study (MCS) and subsequent excursions in the past year (MCS-06) highlight the nation’s need for strategic and theater mobility capability in airlift and aerial refueling. It’s important to recognize that current plans for future force structure are funded only to support THE BOTTOM OF THE MCS RANGE in each mission area. MCS calls for 292 to 383 strategic tails (C-17s and “fully modernized” C-5s). The US currently has a program for 190 C-17s and 111 aging C-5s.“
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Call me a country bumpkin Alabama Army advocate, but when I add up 205 C-17s + 111 aging C-5s (forgive me, I don’t have enough fingers and toes) I think it adds up to 316 airframes. 316 airframes is far closer to 292 (the lowside) than to 383 (the highside) is it not? I mean, wouldn’t you much rather have 316 trucks to move your double-wide furniture in a hurry than just 383? But then what do we know. We’re just joint land component C-17 users.

General Barry McCaffrey called for 600 C-17s and said the Army should size its vehicles based on the C-17 instead of the C-130. Because Sec of Defense Gates wants bigger future Army vehicles, does it not follow that we need more C-17 airlift to transport some of those vehicles?

Somehow the USAF was going to come up with enough squadrons for 381 F-22s. Somehow the USAF wants 500 plus KC aircraft at a cost of over $100 billion to support primarily themselves and will find the force structure and funds for that. Something tells me there are a few Airmen out there that could be diverted to flying/maintaining C-17s to support the joint force. Maybe instead of using C-17 pilot to fly UAS out of Creech you could have enlisted guys do that?

But then what do those of know who aren’t in the USAF!!!

]]> By: Rickhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8013 Rick Fri, 08 May 2009 19:46:00 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8013 It's interesting that nowhere in this story does it mention that the C-17 is not being 'cut'. By the end of this year the DoD will have bought all of the C-17's that they planned to buy. That is to say every single plane that the contract was for.Boeing is crying because Gates feels that there may be more pressing needs than increasing the size of Airforce. It’s interesting that nowhere in this story does it mention that the C-17 is not being ‘cut’. By the end of this year the DoD will have bought all of the C-17’s that they planned to buy. That is to say every single plane that the contract was for.

Boeing is crying because Gates feels that there may be more pressing needs than increasing the size of Airforce.

]]> By: IntheAFhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8009 IntheAF Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:49 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8009 I have a clue and in the AF. I plan strat air missions worldwide and the biggest hurdle we have to overcome while accomplishing the missions assigned are the number of tails availible on any given day. Just because we have 200+ in the inventory, doesn't mean we can use all 200 all the time. We routinely have a low as 10 jets a day to use. AMC runs 900-1000 msns a day. Do the math. I have a clue and in the AF. I plan strat air missions worldwide and the biggest hurdle we have to overcome while accomplishing the missions assigned are the number of tails availible on any given day. Just because we have 200+ in the inventory, doesn’t mean we can use all 200 all the time. We routinely have a low as 10 jets a day to use. AMC runs 900‑1000 msns a day. Do the math.

]]> By: NeoConVethttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8008 NeoConVet Fri, 08 May 2009 16:52:00 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8008 Perhaps if our fearless(?) leader would consider moving the $3-8 billion from ACORN to the C-17 it might bring more votes, since that seems to be his prime motivation for anything!Of perhaps rather than bailing out States for fiscal irresponsibility (CA illegal alien medical, MASS and cars for unemployed) there could be a replacement for AF refuelers!But then I am not a professional pol like Spector or "I Know Nothing Pelosi"! Perhaps if our fearless(?) leader would consider moving the $3–8 billion from ACORN to the C-17 it might bring more votes, since that seems to be his prime motivation for anything!

Of perhaps rather than bailing out States for fiscal irresponsibility (CA illegal alien medical, MASS and cars for unemployed) there could be a replacement for AF refuelers!

But then I am not a professional pol like Spector or “I Know Nothing Pelosi”!

]]> By: LAGhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8007 LAG Fri, 08 May 2009 16:35:22 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8007 Everyone wants to blame the Democrats for the cuts, but who got in this mess in the first place??? Everyone wants to blame the Democrats for the cuts, but who got in this mess in the first place???

]]> By: Aurorahttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8006 Aurora Fri, 08 May 2009 16:27:28 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8006 Senator Murray has introduced an amendment that requires DOD to notify the Congress if pulling a program will adversely affect the industrial base. Smart move. There will be implications for the tanker procurement as well. http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090507/BLOG01/905079979/0/BIZ Senator Murray has introduced an amendment that requires DOD to notify the Congress if pulling a program will adversely affect the industrial base. Smart move. There will be implications for the tanker procurement as well.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090507/BLOG01/905079979/0/BIZ

]]> By: Alanhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8004 Alan Fri, 08 May 2009 15:34:52 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8004 When it's time to run for election our civilian politicians LOVE to campaign on excessive Pentagon spending and assure us that THEY will fight to reduce the burden on the taxpayer when THEY are in office.Of course that's during the campaign. We always see what happens after they get elected. Civilian constituents complain about job losses, devastated communities and lowered national defense.Anyone sense any phony baloney and hypocrisy here besides me?My USMC calibrated Bull---- meter is pegged! When it’s time to run for election our civilian politicians LOVE to campaign on excessive Pentagon spending and assure us that THEY will fight to reduce the burden on the taxpayer when THEY are in office.

Of course that’s during the campaign. We always see what happens after they get elected. Civilian constituents complain about job losses, devastated communities and lowered national defense.

Anyone sense any phony baloney and hypocrisy here besides me?

My USMC calibrated Bull—- meter is pegged!

]]> By: Torch Schreinerhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8003 Torch Schreiner Fri, 08 May 2009 14:23:26 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8003 For those of you, who are obviously clueless or not Air Force, we don't need anymore C-17s. We have a full complement filling all the Squadrons in Military Airlift, including the ones still in production. There's no need to keep feeding the Defense Contractor dragon and this ludicrous notion of more is better has to end. For those of you, who are obviously clueless or not Air Force, we don’t need anymore C-17s. We have a full complement filling all the Squadrons in Military Airlift, including the ones still in production.
There’s no need to keep feeding the Defense Contractor dragon and this ludicrous notion of more is better has to end.

]]> By: Torch Schreinerhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8002 Torch Schreiner Fri, 08 May 2009 14:21:35 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8002 For those you, who are obviously clueless or not Air Force, we don't need anymore C-17s. We have a full complement filling all the Squadrons in Military Airlift, including the ones still in production. There's no need to keep feeding the Defense Contractor dragon and this ludicrous notion of more is better has to end. For those you, who are obviously clueless or not Air Force, we don’t need anymore C-17s. We have a full complement filling all the Squadrons in Military Airlift, including the ones still in production.
There’s no need to keep feeding the Defense Contractor dragon and this ludicrous notion of more is better has to end.

]]> By: TJhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-8000 TJ Fri, 08 May 2009 12:56:28 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-8000 gijoe wrote: "Well I guess that’s what happens when a DEMOCRAT is put in office."Fact Check: Secretary Gates was originally appointed by President Bush43. gijoe wrote: “Well I guess that’s what happens when a DEMOCRAT is put in office.”

Fact Check: Secretary Gates was originally appointed by President Bush43.

]]> By: rhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7999 r Fri, 08 May 2009 12:38:22 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7999 In 1990, Cheney cut 90 C-17 Air Force cargo transport planes. [Newsday, 2/5/91; NY Times, 1/8/91; Boston Globe, 4/27/90; Boston Globe, 1/30/90]. Financial sanity = national security. In 1990, Cheney cut 90 C-17 Air Force cargo transport planes. [Newsday, 2/5/91; NY Times, 1/8/91; Boston Globe, 4/27/90; Boston Globe, 1/30/90]. Financial sanity = national security.

]]> By: Ricochethttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7998 Ricochet Fri, 08 May 2009 12:25:14 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7998 Cutting the C-17 production is just plain stupid! It's a fine platform, rugged and suited for a wide variety of missions. I have been a passenger many times and unlike the C-5, the 17's almost always make their schedules. We ought to buy 200 MORE. Can't have too much strat air, especially in Astan!!! Cutting the C-17 production is just plain stupid! It’s a fine platform, rugged and suited for a wide variety of missions. I have been a passenger many times and unlike the C-5, the 17’s almost always make their schedules. We ought to buy 200 MORE. Can’t have too much strat air, especially in Astan!!!

]]> By: Joseph S Principe IIhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7997 Joseph S Principe II Fri, 08 May 2009 11:46:47 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7997 See what Happens when you have someone Who does Not Understand Steagic AirLift .The United States Air Force needs to keep the C17 in production because its needed to take up the role of the retire C141B Startlifter and the aging C-5 .They say we have enought of them , Well thats a Matter of Discussion , How many of them are used for Combat, Medical evalation, Cargo ,Special Missions , How many are there in Maintence , Now lets do the Math and I bet you will come up with a number less then the number of plane they said we have 205 .Do this Math for the Active,Reserve,Guard.This Nations needs a Strong Stagtic Airlift since we are at War and we have No idea where the next one will be, Are Airlifter will be the first in with Troops on the Ground for are NationSign Joseph S.Principe US ARMY Retired e-mail ;mountainsoldier47@yahoo.com See what Happens when you have someone Who does Not Understand Steagic AirLift .The United States Air Force needs to keep the C17 in production because its needed to take up the role of the retire C141B Startlifter and the aging C-5 .They say we have enought of them , Well thats a Matter of Discussion , How many of them are used for Combat, Medical evalation, Cargo ‚Special Missions , How many are there in Maintence , Now lets do the Math and I bet you will come up with a number less then the number of plane they said we have 205 .Do this Math for the Active,Reserve,Guard.This Nations needs a Strong Stagtic Airlift since we are at War and we have No idea where the next one will be, Are Airlifter will be the first in with Troops on the Ground for are Nation

Sign
Joseph S.Principe
US ARMY Retired
e-mail ;mountainsoldier47@yahoo.com

]]> By: gijoehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7991 gijoe Thu, 07 May 2009 23:18:53 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7991 WHAT!!! WHY would they think about cutting the c-17? Are they trying to make a sick joke or something? Well I guess that's what happens when a DEMOCRAT is put in office. WHAT!!! WHY would they think about cutting the c-17? Are they trying to make a sick joke or something? Well I guess that’s what happens when a DEMOCRAT is put in office.

]]> By: Colehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7988 Cole Thu, 07 May 2009 22:55:56 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7988 C-17s support both the early and long war.;) C-17s support both the early and long war.;)

]]> By: Colehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7987 Cole Thu, 07 May 2009 22:55:02 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7987 This is one I hope lawmakers succeed in adding. You can never get too much C-17 airlift. This is one I hope lawmakers succeed in adding. You can never get too much C-17 airlift.

]]> By: Aurorahttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7964 Aurora Thu, 07 May 2009 16:29:02 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7964 Canceling the C-17 would virtually cede the upper end of the military transport segment to EADS for decades. This would be a strategic blunder with enormous untoward consequences for the U.S. aerospace industrial base. Canceling the C-17 would virtually cede the upper end of the military transport segment to EADS for decades. This would be a strategic blunder with enormous untoward consequences for the U.S. aerospace industrial base.

]]> By: johnhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/05/07/hill-fires-c-17-budget-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-7962 john Thu, 07 May 2009 15:46:37 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=6273#comment-7962 well holy crap... everythings getting cut.... This impacts all services... well holy crap… everythings getting cut.… This impacts all services…

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