Army To Boost Stryker Brigades

Army To Boost Stryker Brigades

The Army will almost certainly add more Stryker brigades to its future force, by converting existing heavy armor brigades to the medium weight Strykers, service leaders told the House Armed Services Committee.

The specific make-up of that force, in terms of how many heavy, medium and light brigades it needs, is being scrutinized in the QDR strategic review, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey told lawmakers on Thursday. While not wanting to prejudge the outcome, he said the Strykers will likely have an increased role in that future mix.

“We want available a mix of capabilities, that’s the thinking we’re doing as part of this QDR, to build a versatile mix,” of different types of units, consisting of Stryker brigades, heavy brigades and light infantry units that will rely primarily on the MRAP IED resistant vehicles for mobility, he said. The Army chose not to buy any new Strykers in its 2010 budget, compared to the 765 it bought over the last two years, but it did include $479 million for survivability improvements and other modifications and to keep the production line warm, service officials said.

The Army had originally planned to build 48 total active combat brigades by 2012, to include: 19 heavy BCTs, 23 Infantry BCTs, and 6 Stryker BCTs. In budget decisions made in recent weeks, Gates directed the Army to stop its expansion at 45 brigades, forcing the service to rethink its optimal mix.

The Strykers proved “extraordinarily successful,” in their Iraq combat deployments, Army Secretary Pete Geren told lawmakers. Stryker brigades are considered particularly well suited for irregular warfare because of the eight-wheeled vehicles’ ability to range over a vast area, their advanced communications networks and the large number of foot soldiers in an SBCT. The Strykers will see their first combat tour in Afghanistan this summer as the 5th Stryker brigade is en-route as part of the Obama administration’s troop build-up there.

For those of us who have covered the Army in recent few years, it was odd to hear an Army budget hearing where the FCS program was mentioned only in passing. So, when the chance arose during a break, we peppered Casey with questions about the recently cancelled ground vehicle part of the program. He repeated his desire to have a new armored vehicle plan charting the way ahead for the Army’s entire vehicle fleet, including MRAPs and the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle Humvee replacement, out by Labor Day.

No decision has yet been made on whether to continue with the effort to build a family of vehicles sharing a common chassis or individually designed vehicles to fill specific roles, much as the Abrams, Bradley and Paladin howitzer do today, Casey said. Vehicle survivability has moved up in importance, reflecting SecDef Gates’ concerns that FCS vehicles were too vulnerable on modern battlefields, but Casey said vehicle speed is also important, as speed can entail survivability.

Rapid deployability, one of the original requirements for FCS, remains important, and any future vehicle must fit on C-17s, the Air Forces’ major cargo lifter (that’s not a real big challenge as the M-1 will fit on a C-17, the bigger issue is how many of a certain kind of vehicle will fit on a C-17), but rapid deployability by aircraft will not necessarily be the number one priority in vehicle design, Casey said.

While vowing to start with a clean sheet of paper and even to consider wheeled vehicles for the future armored fleet, Casey said the service will leverage what its learned from the money already invested in FCS vehicle development. “We know where the state of technology is for ground combat vehicles, we pushed the envelope there with industry… we’re not going to walk away from that.” To be able to field a new vehicle in the Army’s stated goal of five to seven years means the service will build on what it’s already learned. Casey said the new vehicle design will feature a blend of lessons learned from current wars, meaning mostly greater protection against anti-armor weapons, and new vehicle technologies such as lightweight composite armor and a hybrid motor.

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As a outsider (an AF guy!) who has followed military subjects for a long time: what is the relative profile (height seems to be important) of the M-113, the Stryker, the MRAP, and maybe the Abrams? I know that the lower the vehicle the (historically) more survivable in a classic armored warfare scenario.
A lot of the ground in Afghanistan is flat and the center of gravity is not critical in that situation. But how do they compare for center of gravity? On rough ground — low center of gravity is preferable.
But for an occupation force — you gotta have a V hull so you can survive IEDs from below. Armor helps for surviving IEDs from the side. Layers of armor help for surviving RPG hits.
As the Army grows it will need vehicles and I hope that Strykers are good vehicles to buy. I hear the MRAP tends to roll too easily. Not so the M-113, but it has a flat bottom.

From shortest to tallest they are: M-113, M-1, Stryker and, tallest by far, the MRAP. BTW: There are actually many models of MRAP and actual dimensions vary widely.

Hybrid engine technology may enable co-generation turbine/diesel to power electric motors for urban night ops. The battery storage can trail behind or be tucked hydraulically.

Ever heard a Hybrid Tahoe roll up on you. It’s quieter than a golf cart. High voltage is going to be the issue since 400 Volt systems will be needed. This will require more training levels for maintenance and safety.

Greg,

FCS was not cancelled. The manned ground vehicle portion was. The rest of the program, including the network, is being expanded and accelerated.

Greg,

FCS was not cancelled. The manned ground vehicle portion was. The rest of the program, including the network, is being expanded and accelerated.
BTW I love your blog!

Armywonk,

Roger, and corrected.

Thanks,

Greg

Yes there are many versions of MRAP but they all are the highest objects on any battlefield!!

One big question is do we build a chassis for armored combat (low) or one for occupation duty (high). Or do we have the money for some of both?

Do our colleagues from the Armored corps (they seem to be out of favor right now) think that RPG, Sagger-type rockets, etc are still a danger in Blitzkrieg armored operations? Would a fighting vehicle need low profile and multiple layers of armor to defeat infantry weapons?

I think you are going to need both types of vehicles to win any future wars.

The US is so dominate in conventional warfare that enemies who try to fight us on the traditional battlefield get slaughtered. Desert Storm had less than four months of actual combat and cost us only a handful of casualties. The insurgent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have gone on for years and inficted hundreds of times as many casualties. Many of our losses are directly attributable to trying to use vehicles designed for the open battlefield (especially the armored hummer) in an enviroment for which they are not suited.

You can be sure that any enemy we might have to face in the future has taken note of the above. And, like it or not, the bad guys get a vote in what type of battles we have to fight. Since we are so overwhelming in the conventional arena they are going to try and shift the battle to areas where we are weak.

We certainly need two families of vehicles — the Blitzkrieg armored vehicle family and the occupation armored vehicle family.

While we do currently dominate the armored battlefield, I’d talk to Ariel Sharon (except that he is currently not taking visitors) and people who were in the Israeli armored corps during the Yom Kippur War before I’d assume that we will always dominate that arena. As you recall, the Israeli’s crushed the combined armies of their neighbors in 1967 but got over confident. They had not foreseen the wire guided anti tank missile for one thing. Due to discipline and a lot of airlifted supplies they did win but they got surprised.

If we had to slug it out on the ground with North Korea for example, would you want to be riding in any MRAP version? Because that was what was available?

Large parts of Afghanistan are flat (and great for growing poppies) and so the MRAP will work there, but lots of it is very rough and I wonder if the somewhat tippy MRAP is going to work there.

Sadly, a lot of the work there in Afghanistan is building roads and providing water, just what the poppy farmers need to get their heroin to market. So it can be shipped to the US.

Heavy armor will always be needed. The Canadians are using thier Leo II’s in A-stan, why not the US Abrams? Stryker can also be used-in the right terrain. In other places, we are better off using mules or horses. A-stan is 1 country with many different kinds of terrain. In the end, it will be Soldiers or Marines that dig or pry thier enemy out of thier positions.

If we had to slug it out on the ground in North Korea I wouldn’t mind riding around in an MRAP. It was most certainly be better than the 5-ton dump truck that I was riding in during my year in Korea.

Rhyno called it, there are many places were there will be no vehicles anywhere off road. I don’t care what type of vehicles you may have to drive. There would be plenty convoy security and road patrol duties for an MRAP type vehicle in those areas.

BTW: Despite total surprise and being unprepared for the threat they faced the Israeli won the Yom Kippur war. How does that in any way show a lack on dominance on their part?

Those wheels will not operate in jungle, swamp,
etc. The army should hold what they got with wheels rigth now. I have a feeling that some folks are to focused on hard surfaces there are oother battlegrounds that will not support wheels. Don’t put all you wheels in one basket.

You say you want to be stealthy, night foot patrols you will see allot more and your dispersion is far better. All vehicles are bullit and RPG magnets.

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