NK Military Options Look Bleak

NK Military Options Look Bleak

As North Korea continues to play the DefCon game, it’s time to analyze what kind of military response the U.S. might be able to mount should something really bad happen. Bottom line: the response would probably have to rely on the fear factor of killing some of the 58,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, on what China would do and how the good ole international community would react. The reasons for that prognosis are fairly simple: the US has committed so much of its troops and treasure to Iraq and Afghanistan for so long that the conventional military has little stretch left in it.

The North Korea situation is clearly at the point where serious may become deadly. Defense Secretary Robert Gates rose in Singapore to declare that, “We will not stand idly by as North Korea builds the capability to wreak destruction on any target in Asia — or on us.” There are whispers about that US intelligence assets have detected the early stages of ground force mobilization by the North Koreans, but I stress those are still rumors. And today there are reports that North Korea is readying another ICBM test, which would send ripples of tension throughout the Pacific basin.

The Financial Times quoted Gates about the game played by North Koreans. “We have to be very tough minded about this. Everyone in this room is familiar with the tactics that the North Koreans use,” he said. “They create a crisis and then the rest of us pay a price to return to the status quo ante … I am tired of buying the same horse twice.”


While few in the military are willing to talk about specific options being considered, the strained US military will find it difficult to respond quickly to any major provocation by North Korea. Here’s the evidence. Item: Gen. George Casey, Army chief of staff, said last week that it would take about 90 days to get more troops to the Korean peninsula.

Item: During an April 22 hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee Army Gen. Peter Chiarelli, vice chief of staff, and Gen. James Amos, assistant commandant of the Marines, delivered a sobering assessment in direct response to questions about the country’s ability to respond to a North Korean crisis.

“I think it would be very difficult, challenging — I don’t think there is any question about it,” Amos said, adding that it would “emasculate all our strategic reserves.” For those who remember Gen. Macarthur’s brilliant gambit at Inchon (pictured), Amos delivered a truly worrying assessment that has since been echoed by the deputy commandant. The toll of the last seven years of combat has forced the service to sacrifice its traditionally vaunted capabilities in combined arms operations and large-scale amphibious operations to be the excellent counterinsurgency force it has become.

The current deployments to Afghanistan and the toll of Iraq have done nothing to lighten that load, Amos made clear.

The stress of combat and the greatly increased use of air and ground equipment are beginning to affect the availability of “critical” equipment, he said.

Item: When the Corps sent the 2nd MEB to Afghanistan it had to pull 14 percent of the equipment needed from non-deployed units. And in a move that showed just how little room for maneuver the Marines have, 51 percent of the equipment for the brigade rolled right off of production lines to the Marines, not from inventory.

Marine aircraft “are flying at utilization rates far beyond those for which they were designed. We are nearly tripling the utilization rates of our workhorses – the F/A-18C and D; the KC-130 cargo and aerial refueling platform; our EA-6B electronic warfare aircraft; and even the new MV-22 Osprey,” Amos said in his prepared testimony. To keep deployed squadrons fully equipped the Corps has cut aircraft and parts to non-deployed squadrons. In all, the service is short 248 aircraft.

The Army is in slightly better shape, but only because it so much larger. But there is little wiggle room, Chiarelli made chillingly clear: “We are consuming our readiness as soon as we get it.”

On top of all this, consider how many strategic assets such as squadrons of F-22, B-1 and B-52 stand ready to respond in the Korean theater. The exact answer is classified but there aren’t many.

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I think North Korea knows this and that’s why they are going schizo on us. Fortunately, our counterinsurgency wars leave a lot of our conventional weapons available (cruise missiles, F-22s, B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, etc) to put a hurting on NK. That wouldn’t make it easy, but if we were left with no other option we could probably do it.

North Korea must be run by guys that are totally out of touch with reality. If they wanted to do something, the last five years have been their best window of opportunity. Aren’t some South Koreans troops actually still in Iraq? The US has been distracted and all of our folks have been fully engaged in SouthWest Asia. The B-1s and B-52s have been overtasked — until recently we were pulling B-1s out of the boneyard since we had so few.
The Russians saw their opportunity with South Ossetia (in Georgia) and took it — we had to return Georgian troops from Iraq. We couldn’t even threaten to do anything there — we did send a Coast Guard ship as I recall.

Something is going on in the Nork gov’t that we likely don’t know about (our intel might ? ). This sudden change of behavior isn’t a coincidence. My best guess is that when KJI had his stroke, it jolted another screw loose. Since he has recovered, he is more reckless than ever, if not totally insane now. Either that or his health is so poor that he is losing power and elements within the regime are running amok.

I have not ever read about the status of the South Korean armed forces. What’s up with these folks? Are they not prepared to defend their counry? I don’t think that South Korea is the third world dump that it was in the early 50’s. Why do we have to bail out every country on earth? South Korea can fend for it’s self.

That’s the nightmare scenario. Stroke fried his impulse control, and there’s no mechanism in the NK gov’t to relieve him. Since he is the gov’t.

I read Huffingtonpost to see what’s making the libs mad. Merrill Markoe (comedian / writer) had a bit on there about Kim Jung Il that turned out to be pretty sharp. She’s read his books. She says he’s a Pathological Narcissist. She was raised by a couple of them, so she would know. KJI is “the piece of s*** the world revolves around.” He can only exist in two mental states: Grandiosity, or Humiliation.

All the talk recently has been about his stroke, so he’s humiliated. Poor widdle Kim’s bwain bwoke… A humiliated P-N throws temper tantrums until someone tells them how great they are. Her solution was for us to stage the six operas he wrote. No way I would watch those.

Pathological Narcissism makes a hell of a lot of sense, though. What do you do about a two year old with a nuke and a few thousand artillery tubes?

This is all problems and few solutions. Our second infantry division is right on the border. It should have been pulled back down the peninsula decades ago so that any invasion could have been pounded by our air assets before reaching it.

Nok’s equipment is old but there is lots of it and there are a million men or more under arms—numbers have a quality of their own. Soul is within artillery range of the border. Most probable all out military situation is that Soul and the second inf. would be overrun. After that you can nuke Nok all you want but the worth while assets of the game are lost.

Last I heard South Korea hadn’t spent all that much on their military, counting on Uncle Sugar to defend them. But to say again the main military and social/economic assets are so easily reached by Nok troops that in fact they can’t be defended with any scenario.

It might be wondered why Bush never thought to expand our number of infantry divisions lo these many years of war.

Remember Tom Clancy? AT the end of book ARMERED CAV, he had a section called ACR roles and missions in the real world and one of them was what would happen if North Korea invaded the South. He described how the US Army using the ACR THAT STILL EXIST TODAY would react be used and his prediction that the invasion was stopped and North korea surrendered in 12 weeks (note: without the FCS MGVS)

According to the ROK Army website they have 560,000 Soldiers, 2,360 tanks, 5,180 ARTY pieces, and 2,400 AFV’s.

I think the ROK Army could defend itself without our help.

The South Korean military is five time stronger than the North. We should pull out troops out and let them kill each other if they want. But then the U.S. Army would have no jobs for a dozen Generals who command the single U.S. Army brigade there.

Someone mentioned that the North Koreans have numerical superiority, and that numbers was a quality of it’s own. But the South Korean military is stronger in terms of discipline, training, technology, funding, and first-hand intelligence (the North would have to rely on intelligence help from China). That can easily outmatch the North’s numbers.

At one point their F-15K’s were superior to our F-15E’s, but not for long. That was shortly before the USAF had implemented some upgrade programs to match the JHMCS and AESA capabilities. Even now, the South Korean F-15K still possesses IRST capabilities and more stronger GE engines that our F-15E’s lack.

The South Korean Air Force regularly trains with the USAF, with their F-16’s and F-15’s training alongside our F-16’s and F-15’s, with E-3 AWACS support.

That is as far as I know for the airpower side. But I’m quite certain that the status is the same with their land and naval power.

Also, don’t forget that we have about 10 Marine Corps bases in Okinawa alone ready to support the fight. The Air Force also has a base there with F-15C’s, heavy lifters, AWACS and tenant Marine Corps AV-8 and F/A-18’s.

And then Guam, and bases on the mainland of Japan.

All maintain readiness to deploy to the Korean peninsula with quick reaction contingency plans.

So don’t just count on only the forces stationed in South Korea for this fight.

Seoul is within artillery range, and can be wiped out by NK in 30 minutes.

The problem is not available forces or hardware. The problem is whether the Chicago Pimp in the white house has the stones to take any action. Remember he is the one that wanted to force the Veterans to pay their own medical expenses.

Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require veterans to carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to
military personnel received during their tours on active duty.

The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.
“Look, it’s an all volunteer force,” Obama
complained… “Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn’t compute..“
“I thought these were people who were proud to
sacrifice for their country,” Obama continued. “I wasn’t asking for blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I’d have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation’s deficit. I guess I
underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans.”

This fascist can not be trusted to protect America and I think we can include South Korea in that thought. He called us whiners and I call him a traitor. He hates America so much he continually apologizes for our strength and patriotism. We are a proud nation and he is out telling the world we are wrong. He can go to he11 for all I care.

yes, i also believe that dprk is rattling its saber is because they know were stretch to the the limit and won’t be able to make any sizable response. another thing is that dprk knows that it can get away with those kind of scare tactics to get concessions from other countries while basically giving nothing back.

the massive arms procurement and development of china, the big brother of dprk, is emboldening this kind of actions knowing they have an ally that big and would help them in any confrontation against the US.

china’s military build up, and russia’s military modernization, along with the dprk’s saber rattling makes you want to think, “whats going on?”. russia and china being allies and china with dprk. do they just want the US military out of asia or is there something else other than taiwan?

i believe obama is just concerned in keeping his image clean and not making stands on his decision especially in military matters(except the military budget).

If we where to engage in military ops with the North. It would have to be on a masive airstrike not done before to minimize south losses. With the development of the smart bombs and others this could be done, but it wold have to be several thousand at one time (arti positions excet). The bigger question is would the Chinesse agree to assist, and if they did would they let North and South decide thire own fate after the bombs stop.

The word is that there is a succession of leadership going on in the country. Kim Jong wants his son to lead, but the military may not like that idea. So it is thought that all this bellicose behavior is all for internal consumption to prove that whoever leads looks tough to the international community.

Kill-em all Let God sort-em out.

Regardless what happens over there, Obama and the Democrats won’t do a thing to protect America or our allies overseas. He is too much of an apologist and the enemy knows it. Hence why the North Koreans are acting up now.

I find it extremely interesting that Tom Clancy wrote quite a bit concerning what is coming to fruition. You have to wonder if military strategists around the world study his novels to plan strategy.

I haven’t read most of the posting but have an idea. The army is bigger than the Marine Corp! Well lets build up the Marine Corp. It would cut down the unemployment in the USA. With all the terrorists and lame brain countries in this world we will be needing more military. North Korean people are starving. When are these people going to stand up and over throw goofy leaders. We had North Korea beat once but someone fired Doug!

the NK military has a serious problem with it’s degraded equipment and fuel supplies. they could probably make good an attack south across the DMZ for a few weeks at most. on the other hand, boots on the ground is always the prevailing factor. how long could they keep an invasion force fed and supplied is a guess at best but would play in their favor if they went after supply depots. on our side of the situation, i don’t see the current Administration rushing to help unless something on the order of 9/11 galvanizes the President into actually doing something about it. we are in a situation that is not exactly lose lose, but i think it is far from win win. the only way i can see to stop an invading force south across the DMZ would be to use tactical weapons of mass destruction. i am absolutely sure the Boss won’t do it and i really don’t think it would help our standing in the World Community. in fact, if we did use them, i believe we would incite further attacks upon ourselves from third parties and probably attacks within our borders.

It would be a sad day for this country if the North stormed across the DMZ and we did nothing to help our friends in the South. That would set a precedent for decades to come and ruin many if not most of our current and potential future alliances. I do not think that Obama would sit by idly while communist NK troops overrun South Korea.

Once again, Gates is using Obama-speak to hide his real intentions — which are to scurry away, tail between legs, run to UN and revile the wicked regime — all the while ignoring the real possibility that the NK may come across the DMZ if they’re not getting enough attention. If they fire their long range missile at/towards the US we ought to consider the possibilty of shooting it down (to protect human life — US citizens) and to demonstrate that we take the threat seriously and are prepared to defend ourselves. To me, Obama has failed to defend this country, either at home or abroad, just witness the OAS debacle and the Apology I tour now being followed by Apology II tour. All this apologizing has encouraged the wacko of the world including IRan, NK, and bin Laden and serves no purpose other than to enhance the cult of personality being groomed by Team Obama.

If NK tried that stunt, they would be wrecked by the airpower in theatre. Not just tac air, but strategic bobming, not to mention the cruise missles that will be filling the air. The ROK is more than capable, and as said above thier are units in Japan, Guam etc. Kim is crazy, and this time he may overplay his hand.

North Korea is going to do what ever they want to do– short of a direct Invasion of the South (unless some incident occures at sea, or on the Z(never say never)). They know were streached militarily, and we have an apparent “talker” for a President. I would not be surprised if Iran and North Korea don’t have a deal to share resources and what were seeing NK do, is for them to prove to Iran that they can deliver the goods. That is also why NK has stated that any boarding of a ship means war. They are going to trade goods and prop each other up. I would not be surprised.

The only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history. That’s why we get caught with our pants around our ankles so much…

Well, as Rummie liked to say — we fight with the Army we have and not the one we’d like to have. Ninety days to get back into theater — deal with the laws of physics, boys. Now, who was it who just cut out all the funding for strategic mobility enhancements ? Who is it who doesn’t think that 2 MCOs or even 1 1/2 MCOs is a real world contingency ? Thank you for playing. And pulling 2 ID off the line sends all the wrong signals to our South Korean allies, who are none too steady these days…its called a trip wire for a reason. Sooner or later we are going to have to crack out all those books from the 1950s on fighting with tactical nukes. And then we’ll go relearn what we forgot about flexible response and escalation dominance. Are we getting the picture now ? Ten disposible brigades does not get the job done, so you have the same old problems in the same old place. The more you stick your head in the sand, the worse this gets. Eventually, the Japanese will wake up and take matters into their own hands — this is starting to become inevitable. We can’t see or admit we see this, because the US government can never think more than one step ahead.

Take 2 cruise missiles with as many megatons as they can carry, put one on Kim’s palace and one on his launch site. Then see what they have to say!

Seems to me that NK could possibly the mouse that starts something so that they could get more aid. If NK starts something , the Messiah would probably get his lib lawyers to limit the rues of engagement enough to ensure the destruction of South Korea. POTUS doesn’t have the balls to stand up to NK and would let the South fall, especially if China stood on NK side. McCarther had the right idea at the time and should never have been fired, but that is the liberal Democrats for you. Obama will also probably let Israel fall if Iran started something, which they will undoubtedly do, sooner or later.

I am a little wary of this, my wife is from NK and I never come home late or talk to my fiends. I am just scared!!

It’s not that bleak, far from it. If NK attacks, and that scenario is not unreasonable to contemplate, tell me about the logistics tail. One, the country is malnourished and underfed. They may have not bee the tastiest treats in the world, but our C-rats were calorie packed and could sustain troops in the field with no problem. NK has no fuel to launch a combined arms strike. The civilians who would have to be conscripted to drive trucks would need food. The weapons assets are deployed around Pyongyan and near the southern border. The NK navy, such as it is would be eliminated muy pronto…and without the need for a carrier strike force. SK can handle that quite nicely. NK has no money…none. Unlike 1950, China has no idealogical zeal to cross the border and engage two of their best “customers”. The mere suggestion of Japan and Korea going forward with nuclear arms development would jerk their heads back.

I would rather play our hand than be dealt theirs!

I certainly do not claim to be military intelligence, nor do am I privy to anything, since I am a civilian. However, I am a civilian who has lived in South Korea for the past 13 years. Kim Jong-il does this type of thing every May–it is on his list of things to do–irritate the hell out of someone. We who live here are going about our business as usual, not feeling any more threatened than we do every year. SK TV and news, according to my Korean friends, has not really even emphasized anything about what the North is doing. Perhaps, we are all delusional, but we’re not going anywhere. We haven’t even had a faculty meeting on this subject. For what it’s worth.

steve-he’s got it right, “I’d rather play our hand than be dealt ours.“
Thanks to a better-informed public, the Pacific theatre is in a far better position now (strained as we are) than in 1950!

North Korean Force understand our tactic of show of force. Much as the South Korean Force understand the show of force. Much of fraustration can be generated by North’s action, but it is all about show of force– at least huff and puff. Time will tell– and it is alway ends in endtable, as much as the Korean war has, and all the wars to come in Korea; let the Korean solve their problems. US force are here to protact the Korea, but real mission is to protect the international asset in Korea and intervantion from other nation to enter Korea in political ambition, like Russia,Japan, China. History repeats itself. Korea will be unify in next 20years in peace under proper UN guidence. No need to rush to talk unification– It will happen in 20 years under better political circumstances.

It’s all a smoke screen…

Obama is a Muslim terrorist at heart. His allegiance is to his Arab heritage!! (Sorry, but he’s NOT Black!) This is all a set up to keep people from focusing on the REAL objective; The Destruction of Israel! (The secondary goal is more blackmail for NK.)

NK needs money and oil. They were “given” missile technology from certain “friends” that was transferred by Clinton. The terrorist countries need TWO things to destroy Israel; WMD’s (All types) and launch capability. NK has BOTH! As usual, certain European countries will remain “neutral” because they supplied some of the needed technology and equipment to the terrorist countries, as they did in Iraq! While everyone is freaking out about NK, Iran, Syria, and Jordan as well as the various terrorist groups are gearing up! While this is being accomplished, NK is building up a basis for more blackmail, which of course pantywaist Obama will give into…The cost of which will be MUCH greater than the medical that he wants to deny honest soldiers! Obama is a scum bag, but not stupid. He sees the politics of it all and will rely on his accomplices, the media, to run blocker for his insanity! They NEVER report the truth about any of this!

Now, The terrorists will have two options: (1) Give Israel an ultimatum or (2) launch against Israel without forewarning. What they FAIL to realize is two things: Even though Obama has done everything possible to isolate and hurt Israel politically and militarily, Israel remains strong with a large nuke force and (2) The soldiers in Israel are meaner than junk yard dogs and better trained! So, the terrorists MUST go for total annihilation with their first strike…Which is my greatest fear!

In terms of the US response…Since SALT II, we are screwed! We gave up our BEST TAC weapons! (DUMB!) How long will it take us to get the W33’s and W79’s back on line? (You thought that I did NOT know what I was taking about…)

For the present crisis, we need to get ALL of the available low yield versions of the W80 to NK and Israel. If there is time, so we may need to convert some of the high yield versions over. We need to get our nuke labs working overtime to get some of the old TAC weapons back on line/WR! (Or, consider using W69 pits to put together something fast…as was done in the past!) [I am not at liberty to discuss the others.] The ONLY way to deal with short distances and huge numbers of disparity is TAC nukes…period!

I KNOW that some will go nuts over my comments, however, with the huge numbers of remaining WMD’s from Iraq that are available to the terrorist groups/countries (Yes, they DO exist!), we can NOT take any more chances! We are risking our conventional forces against WMD’s, which is immoral! (I still remember when good old George Sr. told Saddam that if he launched ANY WMD’s against us in ’91, that we’d respond with TAC nukes! That is the ONLY reason that he did NOT use them! We still had the W33’s and W79’s back then! AND, Clinton has since KILLED them! (Getting them back in to WR status may prove impossible because of the lack of LLCE parts and the lack of people to accomplish the task.)

It is ONLY with BOLD, definitive action that NK and the terrorists will take us seriously and END this potential disaster! This is FAR worse than previous nonsense from NK because the terrorist countries are involved, and they have both money and oil for NK! How do we accomplish this task with TWO of the WORST politicians involved, Obama and Hillary?… By overriding the media and alerting the “people” as to the truth! As you can probably guess, my knowledge of WMD’s and intelligence is far greater than the average scientist…It’s because I spent my career in the field, and I KNOW what I’m talking about! If we rely solely upon the liberal, evil politicians in the White House, Israel may not last the next year! (They’ll not go down without a fight, but depending upon that amount of WMD’s left over from Iraq and the number of missiles, it would be extremely difficult for them to survive!)

Semper Fi

Something should have been done with North Korea along time ago! The USA should not allow
any more mind games with the NK .
Artie Pungi
US army vet. service in S Korea
1971/1972

California says it has a lasser that is the largest in the world ues it to perform surgery on north Korea if that isnot true then nuckium untill they glow.

I cannot for the life of me believe that in this day and age of communication technology that our military commanders would openly telegraph our military might to the free world. This makes abosutely no sense. Just the thought of sacrificing 58,000 troops in South Korea is irresponsible thought from our military leaders.

We have the technology, but we don’t have the common sense to use it because we’re afraid we might make some folks upset with us. Grow some nads!

While the DPRK is a very serious threat and cannot be taken lightly, this is not 1950. The ROK armed forces of today are far different from their under-manned, under-equipped, and ill-trained grandfathers. The ROK’s stand among the best troops in the world, and man-for-man, are more than a match for their northern counterparts. While the ROK’s would certainly require a sizeable contribution on our part to their defense, I don’t see Kim Jong Il threatening Pusan like his daddy did. Nor do I see the Chinese intervening on his behalf as they did in 1950. The North Koreans have isolated themselves from the entire world. They stand alone.

The possibility of a reopening of hostilities in Korea is horrifying but Kim Jong Il’s saber-rattling could ultimately lead to his own demise.

The USA has to get together with Russia and China and work together to deal with most countries today. This may take some serious restraint on the US’s part. China should be tasked with dealing with North Korea and the All three countries should be dealing with the middle east issues.

At some point the whole world has to get together to fight anyone who is power hungry and greedy. There in lies part of the problem as the leaders of the USA , China and Russia fall into the=is catagory.

Never the less since these three countries and all free western societies all have common threats we need to work togeter.

Unfortunatly this means it might take the USa holding back and letting something like a nuclear srike take place first from Korea or some other rogue state. This will insure the will of the rest of the world to step in and fix this.

The USa trying to Police the world without the support of the world will fail. It is time to sit and wait one out. Let others get fired up over teh issue and and ask for US help rather then then US asking everone else for help.

After spending a year in Korea I have no doubt that the South Korean military can handle anything that North Korea attempts. And this is not counting the forces we have in country, which alone can handle any attempts by themselves. And then with the forces we have a short jump away in Japan. We don’t need to move any forces into the area if North Korea decides to become more stupid. Enough said.

My concern is why are all these generals blabbering about our military capabilities in public? Ten or twenty years ago they would have been court martialed. These days I cannot believe what you can easy find on Internet about our military, such as troop strengths, organizational movements, aircraft operational levels, etc, etc, etc., and the sad thing is all this information is coming from politicians and high ranking military officers. In my day, if an enlisted had mentioned anything similar to what you can read on the web, they would be in jail. So I say, with due respects, please keep your mouths shut about our military capabilities.

From a retired Ammo Troop!

Ammo!

“As North Korea continues to play the DefCon game, it’s time to analyze what kind of military response the U.S. might be able to mount should something really bad happen.”

Theres been something “really bad” happening in North Korea every sense the armistice was signed, this is no different. I can tell a lot of you guys have never been to Korea by reading some of these posts. North Korea has been doing this or something like this for years. When I was there in the late eighties and early ninties we went on alert for things like propaganda floating across the fence to finding tunnels big enough to drive tanks through, not to mention the one man subs the north use to launch into the south. The North new this was a one way mission because when the south caught them(one man subs)they were shot on the spot, if they(north korea)was going to do something they would have done it then, we had a name for it, “posturing.” I think South Korea would love for the north to start something so they can exact a measure of revenge for what happened the first time they(north korea)came across the border, Now don’t get me wrong, North Korea is no dummie, they know this and they will try to provoke a response from the south so they can cry foul to the rest of the world to get sympathy. All we have to do is keep our eye on them and stay on our toes and let them play their games, cause if the s–t ever hit the fan, based on the way the ROKS train, it will be no game.

“The main thing is not to panic”

Can’t we see what this is? History repeats itself, and this is Obama’s Cuban Missile Crisis. The next ICBM the NK’s fire needs to be shot down in the first 1/3 of its trajectory. Will Obama have the balls to do what needs to be done?

We just simply need to nuc the hell out of north korea and consider any body else that gets in the way collateral damage.

Well Kim Jung’s health is still not very good. Perhaps he is thinking that he doesn’t have too much longer to live and he wishes to go out with a Bang! It’s not beyond the realm of possibility. I suspect that Al Qaeda and the Taliban are watching these events closely too. Attacks on multiple fronts would be devastating to us at this point in time.

Why do we always put ourselves in a bind when it comes to preparedness?We don,t modernize our equipment in sufficient numbers because of cost and then we complain later that we don,t have the necessary tools to fight this “new threat”.We get involved in unnecessary and costly adventures( in terms of both lives and money)and spread our forces too thin so that we don,t have the troop strength to deter our real enemies.We put a bunch of short sighted bean counters in charge of defense who can,t resist cutting every program they can. So is any surprise that we,re in trouble.

This is getting really old. North Korea jumps around and starts everyone screaming and then waits for us to pay them. Enough of playing games with them. They want a nuke, give them three and after they stop glowing, tell every other little piss-ant country that wants to run its mouth to take a hint! Whats really sad is that if we had done what General Patton had wanted to do and finished Russia off after the Germans had them on thier knees, Millions of people would still be alive. Think about it — If russia never was allowed to become a super power, only the U.S., France and England would have had Nukes. No nukes in Russia, China or anywhere else. No Arms Race, No Korean War because China wouldnt have been a superpower, no Vietnam War because Russia couldnt have supplied the weapons and no war in the middle east for the same reason. The U.S. and its allies would have kept the peace because we were the big guys on the block with the bomb. And why did none of this happen? Because the Politicians stuck thier nose in it and started making policy. And remember, for the most part, they always made sure none of thier kids were ever in harms way. Now I’m gonna have a beer! Semper-Fi

Like they said above; NK has been at this game for along time. I spent about 8 years in and out of that area and it was always something with these guys. It has been war gamed to death, we have never taken our eyes off them there are plans and assets set aside for them. the current war has been taxing indeed, but don’t think the US is so naive that they would put all its eggs in one basket. A wise man once said: “believe nothing you hear and half of what you see”
“TILL THERE IS NO ENEMY BUT PEACE”

I can see that there are some serious and insightful military types in here, and I’m not one… but it seems to me like the perfect tool for the job is one or two SSGN’s. If NK so much as twitches, cruise missiles would be flying through their windows. And I agree with the person who wrote that we should shoot down their next ICBM test… right off the launcher.

Increase the enlistment age and raise the draft elgibility age! Equipment, put many of our unemployeed workers back to work manufacturing this much needed equipment!!

The Obama administration would never commit our MDA resources to intercept a North Korean missile. To do so would conclusively prove the value of ground based kinetic kill vehicles. The Obama administration and the US Congress have their hearts set on killing MDA and all other such programs.

Whatever happened to confidential, secret, and top secret info. Why is a top general putting this info out for the world to see. Maybe he should tell them how to stage the attack too!

The last time I checked the Navy was still intact in the Pacific. They could level NK in about a day.

Chris — I don’t think that is true. If it were the case, Obama and co. would have wiped out all BMD with the new defense budget, but it seems to me that the administration is giving it a chance to prove its viability.

Patriot — there is nothing said here that our enemies don’t already know.

There is plenty of food and fuel 35 miles south of the DMZ in Seoul. The north has 10,000 artillery pieces within range of the South Korean capital and thousands of short range missiles with chemical warheads. The 10 million civilians who live in and around Seoul will panic and overwhelm the South Korean military’s ability to respond. Seoul and the South Korean economy will be destroyed before Obama finishes apologizing for getting the North Koreans pissed off. We will be lucky to be able to withdraw our troops south before they can be over run.

Bob, how concentrated are those artillery pieces? I’m willing to be our military planners have a first-strike mapped out that would destroy most of it, and our air force would have a field day with the rest.

I don’t know how well their artillery is protected, but a fleet of B-2s and F-22s loaded with SDBs could potentially destroy thousands of artillery pieces in just the first few minutes of a well planned strike.

Very true we could, and will take them out. But how many rounds do they fire before they are destroyed 2, 5, 10 times10,000? What would happen if 50 thousand artillery rounds landed in New York in 30 minutes? I doubt Obama would authorize a first strike in any case. We have 20 B-2 which can carry 80 bombs each; flight time from Whiteman AFB to Korea is 20 hours. You can fire a lot of rounds in that time. I’m not saying we won’t prevail we would, but not in time to save Seoul. That’s if Obama decides to act at all.

you are right — but if war appears imminent I wonder what Obama’s willingness to authorize a first-strike to protect Seoul (as much as possible). Also, it seems that a large part of NKs forces are in underground facilities. So the question is, do we know where they are and can our bunker-busters hit them before they can come up to fight? This is probably a very complex scenario that involves more than just dropping a whole bunch of bombs on their artillery before they can destroy Seoul unfortunately. North Korea appears to be very well prepared, and after doing some reading, they have something like 7 million people in reserve to fight..pretty much their entire population age 14–60, including unmarried women, is at the very least a reserve soldier.

It’s all about timing. If we preempt then we are the bad guys. My belief is Obama would never strike first, I seriously doubt he will even react quickly. Even if we preempt we don’t have the depth to strike every target at once. That’s without adding the complexity of chemical weapons, and the fear and panic that would spread in a large metropolitan area with unprotected civilians. It doesn’t take many chemical warheads to create panic even in a trained military unit.

I would love to fight NK. I think the outcome would make many shut up, especially the comunist fools.I agree with most comments especially the one where the Pres. would not give the ok to attack.

Why have we not used Aegis cruisers to shoot down the NK missile tests as they are in the boost phase? I bet this puts some money back in the ABL program… 1 747 so equipped would make all this a moot point. If only we had not cut, cut, cut our forces for the past 20 years. We never learn from history, do we?

Isn’t it nice to live in a country where freedom of speech allows idiots to slam our wonderful president without regard to actual facts? For the most part, President Obama is still mopping up from the previous administration. Quite the enormous job considering Bush pretty much destroyed foreign policy over an eight-year period. You can bet Mr. Obama will take appropriate actions, if necessary, to bring the apparently whacked-out NK leader back to reality.

As far as the missile threat goes, station one or two of our U.S. Navy, Aegis Crusier, Guided Balistic Missile Denfense Ships off the coast of Notrh Korea and that should take care of any their missile shoots.

Well If everything going on in this world and the situations that we (meaning the U.S.)get ourselves in, and how stretched our military is, having troops do 5 or more tours of duty, don’t you think its time to start the draft, (oh thats a dirty word) so what! It’s time to either start a draft or make it law that everyone in this country needs to serve at least two years. We have so many people coming into this country to find a better life for themselves and there loved ones. You wanted to live in this country, remember freedom is not free. I may not make sense thats because I am a little irate about the whole military situation. Now is the time to do this instead of waiting for a war to break out.

An Army played in Iraq and Afgahnistan, is a card played.

An Army at home, is an card in the hand.

No brainer.

Unless, of course, one has no brains.

We need to take out those missles before they launch. Our missle defense is untested and un reliable. And a draft is going to happen. A mojor war happens every sixty years and were due.

Nmwren: a draft is never going to happen.the moder army is to high tech for a draft.

Our President will most likely withdraw our troops. Then it will be up to the South Koreans.

Think they will win.

Eh, I think they ought to have a massive cookout right on the DMZ. Have all our troops lock weps in the arms room. Then invite the North Korean troops over to have some chicken, potato salad, beans and beer. Give them some souveniers, like pictures of Tomahawk missles, F-22’s Abrams tanks and stuff like that. Offer any North Korean soldier who wants to defect free chicken and beer for a year. Pay them to join the South Korean army. Swell the numbers on our side of the border. X-box, Cellphones, Food and beer have lasting affects. Win there hearts and minds. Otherwise no matter which way you cut it, There shall be a blood bath if the North Korean Pres says hey guys those south Koreans have enough food for everyone in the country lets go get it. Everybody wants something for free.

In the last week ROK/US intel has noted a NK SOF
brigade moving south to positions which have been reguarded for 20 yrs as a first sign of a NK move accross the DMZ.This info has been spoken in wispers around DC for over a week now. We will know for sure there intent once there Mech Divisions relocate to there jump off point,Make no mastake they are moving.This is something we have gamed for 60 yrs,I was involved in several.However the situation in the middle east and our comitments in Iraq/ Afghanistan have only recently been gamed and the outcome of these (revisid) games has been hidden from even those amoung the JCOS.Over 65% of our deployable combat divisions are ether deployed or returning from or working up to deployment.Theses numbers do not reflect the extra 3 combat bragads Obama is sendind to Afghanistan.That means that if war was to break out in Korea,We would never be able to muster anything close to what would be needed to repel a NK move south.The ROK solders are tough and well trained,Ive spent 2 tours training them,However they would not be able to hold the first line and lose Soul in hours(whatever would be left of it after 50,000 arty shells leveled it within the first 2 hours)We have several lines of defence and would most likely egress under fire and try to organise a defensive line well south of Soul.The 2nd ID (whatever is still left in Korea at the time) Would have to wait out any substanional reinforcements for up to 90 days.There are alot of brass that think NK would open with bio/cem wepones and give POTUS the option to end the whole thing with 2 or 3 W88s.And there counting on it,just ask anyone involved in the war gaming.The only problem with this is Obama would NEVER ok a nuke strike for anything short of a nuke landing in DC or NY​.So the point of this whole thing is were stretched to thin for another front and the games we should be gameing is total retreat and let the ROK fend for themselfs.Dont get me wrong,If it was up to me I would reinforce the 2ID with anything and everything,Complete the relocation of the DIV.HQ south of SOUL ASAP,move all pre position ships closer to KOREA,Deploy all BMD defences(Thaad,ABL,PAC2&3,and all Aiges ships equiped with BMDs)to the sea of Japan and start retraining troops for combined conventional operations(which has been lost because of the last 7 years of fighting insurgents)This is the Norths best chance to even have a chance to capture the entire country within 90 days.And they know it,They have the 4th largest army in the worls.granted there old and decrepit equipment wont hold up for long,but numbers have a quality of there own.7 million armed North Korens racing south,Around Soul with a goal of engaging and if not defeting US forces just getting them out of country would change the whole picture.Does anyone think Obama would commit over a half million US troops to liberate

WOW…Interesting reading.….
a insider says it all.….
read Ian Slater’s WW3 books — not the best but this is played out in them. It will happen — He is about to pop his clogs — not sure if his kin will succeed him.…he will do it.…
the rok/us cannot stop the numbers or reinforce…especially if China asserts itself too.
Interesting times we live in..
korea, Iran, hell why not throw in Taiwan and Georgia too..the west showed then it wont do anything.

Just strenghten our missile defense system. Make it inpenetrable to any rougue nation multiple nuclear balistic missile attack. Also add GPS jammer systems to our existing missile shield to thwart any incomming enemy GPS guiding missiles. That will solve this problem.

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