Comments on: New Tactics, Combined Ops for Afghanistan http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:15:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rhyno327http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9158 Rhyno327 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:31:14 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9158 I really ain't counting on our NATO "allies" to really engage the enemy and fight. There are French, Dutch, Canadian, Brit, Lith, Estonians who really do fight. Sorry if I missed any, don't mean to offend. But, this is the TRUTH. Now, Fallujah couldn't be avoided, I don't think we had the assets in place for the same kind of battle in Sadr City. That is really Kick-azz tactics and strategy. Could we have avoided the urban warfare of fallujah? I don't think so. I agree with Mack, the threat is not realized fully by the West. Wat is the goal of the Jihadist;s? Its the spread of islam by any means neccesary. We are in a war with people who want to turn back the clock to 700AD. Europe is in danger of being outpopulated by moslems. Look at the birthrates. That is a story for another day, but check it. I really ain’t counting on our NATO “allies” to really engage the enemy and fight. There are French, Dutch, Canadian, Brit, Lith, Estonians who really do fight. Sorry if I missed any, don’t mean to offend. But, this is the TRUTH. Now, Fallujah couldn’t be avoided, I don’t think we had the assets in place for the same kind of battle in Sadr City. That is really Kick-azz tactics and strategy. Could we have avoided the urban warfare of fallujah? I don’t think so. I agree with Mack, the threat is not realized fully by the West. Wat is the goal of the Jihadist;s? Its the spread of islam by any means neccesary. We are in a war with people who want to turn back the clock to 700AD. Europe is in danger of being outpopulated by moslems. Look at the birthrates. That is a story for another day, but check it.

]]> By: Mack McKinneyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9157 Mack McKinney Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:18:03 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9157 One key to winning in Afghanistan is to force our NATO and Arab Gulf coalition partners to stop just PROMISING support and to actually deliver it. The USG should quietly arrange for the various promises from each nation to be publicized, along with the equipment and people in Afghanistan actually sent to date. We are going to need LOTS of friendly troops to help us train, patrol, supply and support US, Afghan and Coalition troops in that terrain. The Taliban and Al Qaida are threats to ALL civilized nations and it is time other countries, besides the US, the UK and a few others, stood up and were counted instead of hanging back, waiting for others to commit and invest. It is gut-check time in AF-PAK. One key to winning in Afghanistan is to force our NATO and Arab Gulf coalition partners to stop just PROMISING support and to actually deliver it. The USG should quietly arrange for the various promises from each nation to be publicized, along with the equipment and people in Afghanistan actually sent to date. We are going to need LOTS of friendly troops to help us train, patrol, supply and support US, Afghan and Coalition troops in that terrain. The Taliban and Al Qaida are threats to ALL civilized nations and it is time other countries, besides the US, the UK and a few others, stood up and were counted instead of hanging back, waiting for others to commit and invest. It is gut-check time in AF-PAK.

]]> By: Greg Gaunthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9149 Greg Gaunt Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:00:42 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9149 Further more, I don't care wht tactics are used to beat the little 8ast@rd$ as long as it works.Now, those of you in positions of knowing and authority: shut your mouths so we can finish this thing. Further more, I don’t care wht tactics are used to beat the little 8ast@rd$ as long as it works.

Now, those of you in positions of knowing and authority: shut your mouths so we can finish this thing.

]]> By: Greg Gaunthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9148 Greg Gaunt Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:57:41 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9148 I really wish the media wouldn't ask the brass how we're going to beat the enemy, because the brass are dumb enough to tell them and then it's put into print for our enemy to decipher and adapt to. For once people, learn what OPSEC is intended for! I really wish the media wouldn’t ask the brass how we’re going to beat the enemy, because the brass are dumb enough to tell them and then it’s put into print for our enemy to decipher and adapt to. For once people, learn what OPSEC is intended for!

]]> By: RTChttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9146 RTC Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:17:19 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9146 Information Operations and Intellegence is always the key to winning in the COIN environment. It is not about winning "hearts and minds" it is about assisting people to meet their basic needs inorder to raise their families. It is also about ensuring the established government of that country is trusted, sovern and just, it does not have to be a patterned democracy like the US, their culture is different and our goals and expectations need to be taylored based on those differences. The General is right, use all assets available and target the enemy, minimize colateral damage and continue to support the needs of the ligitimate government and good people in that country, that is why we are successful in Iraq and that is how we will win in Afghanistan. Information Operations and Intellegence is always the key to winning in the COIN environment. It is not about winning “hearts and minds” it is about assisting people to meet their basic needs inorder to raise their families. It is also about ensuring the established government of that country is trusted, sovern and just, it does not have to be a patterned democracy like the US, their culture is different and our goals and expectations need to be taylored based on those differences. The General is right, use all assets available and target the enemy, minimize colateral damage and continue to support the needs of the ligitimate government and good people in that country, that is why we are successful in Iraq and that is how we will win in Afghanistan.

]]> By: Joshhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9139 Josh Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:18:09 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9139 "Afganistan broke the back of the USSR. It will surely do the sme to the USA."When the Afganistan "Broke the back" of the USSR alot of money was given to Afganistan by the US gouvernement to help defend their nation. They will not receive this funding now to use against the Us military. “Afganistan broke the back of the USSR. It will surely do the sme to the USA.”

When the Afganistan “Broke the back” of the USSR alot of money was given to Afganistan by the US gouvernement to help defend their nation. They will not receive this funding now to use against the Us military.

]]> By: BuddhalovesPainehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9134 BuddhalovesPaine Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:16:20 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9134 JFC, not only is the US not in any position to give others moral lessons, when US leaders need moral lessons so badly themselves, its leadership is in no position to give tactical lessons either. If I had even 10% of the resources that are available to the US military, in 6 months I could build a military that could defeat the US military in 6 minutes and that is even with giving the US the advantage of being able to attack first. No Nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons would be necessary either. Any one who would delete some of my comments while not deleting others so that they can not be read in context has got to be a real chicken. By the way 2 Rosas stopped in today to say hello. They are on their way to Tibet by way of Damascus. They offered me a sling shot but I had to turn them down. Gozt to run. JFC, not only is the US not in any position to give others moral lessons, when US leaders need moral lessons so badly themselves, its leadership is in no position to give tactical lessons either.
If I had even 10% of the resources that are available to the US military, in 6 months I could build a military that could defeat the US military in 6 minutes and that is even with giving the US the advantage of being able to attack first. No Nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons would be necessary either.
Any one who would delete some of my comments while not deleting others so that they can not be read in context has got to be a real chicken.
By the way 2 Rosas stopped in today to say hello. They are on their way to Tibet by way of Damascus. They offered me a sling shot but I had to turn them down. Gozt to run.

]]> By: Maxhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9127 Max Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:20:35 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9127 Learned from history. correct it. Don't repeats the same mistake taken from previous predecessors. Tactics will be difference or approach. USSR came in 1979 with the mission to established Communism in Afghanistan and all the people in that country revolts again the government and USSR. Its totally difference scenarios and times. US government must first win the heart and mind of the people there. stop bombing discriminately . it only cause resentment towards US soldiers. Learned from history. correct it. Don’t repeats the same mistake taken from previous predecessors. Tactics will be difference or approach. USSR came in 1979 with the mission to established Communism in Afghanistan and all the people in that country revolts again the government and USSR. Its totally difference scenarios and times. US government must first win the heart and mind of the people there. stop bombing discriminately . it only cause resentment towards US soldiers.

]]> By: nnnhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9125 nnn Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:03:27 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9125 Afganistan broke the back of the USSR. It will surely do the sme to the USA. Afganistan broke the back of the USSR. It will surely do the sme to the USA.

]]> By: Chief Houstonhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/06/12/new-way-of-war-to-afghanistan-petraeus/#comment-9123 Chief Houston Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:14:43 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7111#comment-9123 Buddalovespaine,There are other blogs that can accept your rant. I would like to think that you could stay on topic or read your comics quietly to yourself.Fallujah to Sadr City. Sadr City ops should have happened at Fallujah. I could not stand to see the USMC being pulled out of the city. Any comment why it was fought the way it was?The mountain people of the Vietnam highlands were trained by Green Berets. The Viet Cong raided their villages for plunder, food and young men simliar to what the Taliban has done in Afghanistan. It took around 8 weeks, but they still did not like to go out on patrol until they understood the need for them in order to defend their village. Village radios and combined defense of the local villages worked.If you look at the success ratios of LRRP's, SEALS and Force Recon in Vietnam, you start to wonder why it is that Commanders were so reluctant to build on their success. If you were able to get actionable intelligence based on captured enemy soldiers and the subsequent ambush was successful, you were probably going back to the same LZ even though it was full of Charlie waiting to bite your ass. Sometimes this was done 3 or 4 times in a row. These actions were in Laos and Cambodia and cut secret supply lines and infiltration routes before they could get to Vietnam.What has to happen in Afghanistan may be happening but it is surely in the hands of the Commanders to use their resources effectively. Do not get jealous of someone else's success since it only helps the fight. Sounds simply but is it really? Buddalovespaine,

There are other blogs that can accept your
rant. I would like to think that you could stay on topic or read your comics quietly to yourself.

Fallujah to Sadr City. Sadr City ops should have happened at Fallujah. I could not stand to see the USMC being pulled out of the city. Any comment why it was fought the way it was?

The mountain people of the Vietnam highlands were trained by Green Berets. The Viet Cong raided their villages for plunder, food and young men simliar to what the Taliban has done in Afghanistan. It took around 8 weeks, but they still did not like to go out on patrol until they understood the need for them in order to defend their village. Village radios and combined defense of the local villages worked.

If you look at the success ratios of LRRP’s, SEALS and Force Recon in Vietnam, you start to wonder why it is that Commanders were so reluctant to build on their success. If you were able to get actionable intelligence based on captured enemy soldiers and the subsequent ambush was successful, you were probably going back to the same LZ even though it was full of Charlie waiting to bite your ass. Sometimes this was done 3 or 4 times in a row. These actions were in Laos and Cambodia and cut secret supply lines and infiltration routes before they could get to Vietnam.

What has to happen in Afghanistan may be happening but it is surely in the hands of the Commanders to use their resources effectively. Do not get jealous of someone else’s success since it only helps the fight. Sounds simply but is it really?

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