Oshkosh Wins $1B MATV Deal

Oshkosh Wins $1B MATV Deal

The Defense Department announced Tuesday evening that Oshkosh has won a decision — the initial M-ATV contract — with the potential to reshape the Army and Marines for the next decade. Oshkosh won a deal worth $1 billion to build and support 2,244 M-ATVs, a little more than half of the recently pegged requirement.

The Joint Requirements Oversight Committee announced earlier this month that the requirements for M-ATVs is an impressive 5,200 vehicles, which may mean as much as $5 billion is at stake just for the M-ATV award. Given what Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said about MRAPs becoming the new vehicle for the FCS follow-on, the M-ATV award may become as important to the Army as the decision to cancel the Manned Ground Vehicle has become.

[Here’s the official contract announcement:

Oshkosh Corporation., Oshkosh, WI is being awarded a $1,055,910,053 Firm Fixed Priced Delivery Order Number 0002 under Contract W56HZV-09-D-0111 for the purchase of 2,244 MRAP All Terrain Vehicles (M-ATVs), Basic Issue Items, Field Service Representative Support, Equipment, Engineering, Authorized Stocking List Parts Packages and Prescribed Load List parts packages. The US Army Tank Automotive Command, Warren, Michigan, is the contracting activity.]

The players in this part of the drama are BAE Systems; Oshkosh Corp., Navistar International and Force Dynamics, a joint venture between Force Protection Inc. and General Dynamics. Each company was contracted to build at least several test vehicles.

If the Marines have much to say about the contract award — and they should given their numbers in Afghanistan — I’m giving Oshkosh a leg up on this one. The Oshkosh vehicle is built on the Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement (MTVR) chassis and uses the TAK-4 suspension, which more than 10,000 MTVRs use. And senior Marine leaders have been very publicly enthusiastic about the MTVR’s performance in Afghanistan. Let’s hope there are no protests.

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I thought the Commandant said that the Marines were going to skip this vehicle and just use the suspension from the MTVR on the MRAPs already in use…

Seems like we are optimizing to fight Iraqi IEDs — a threat that is unlikely to be repeated — right as we withdraw from Iraq. Iraq was a giant ammo dump. Never before has an insurgency had such easy access to so many loose bombs, and probably never again.

The MRAPization of the Army, and especially of the Marines, carries real risk.

No, the Marines are seeing what they can do with their existing fleet but they have not totally disregarded the M-ATV program.

Sorry Collin Force Dynamis is so far ahead in technology for M-ATV their unit is patented. In addition its the only one that Raytheon is providing a full FCS package with. You need to do some research.
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Dave has it right unfortunately. When the occupation started we simply did not have enough troops to properly batten down the hatches on Iraq and there were dozens of unsecured ammo caches filled with old but live mortar rounds, and large artillery rounds.

IEDs would have happened anyway probably, but better planning could have perhaps made it harder to find them.

Daniel
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Inside word is that Navistar has it in the bag. It will be announced on the DOD web site at 5:00 pm today.

Shhhh.…

The word I heard was, BAE is a shoe in.

OK, folks. I hope each company has now put its foot forward. Now, let me know as soon as you hear you’ve won!

We all need to post again in the morning to see who is full of manure and who isnt :-)

Right now it is a toss up between BAE’s two solutions and Force Dynamics. Oshkosh in a distant 3rd (4th?). No way Navistar gets this, they had to threaten a protest just to get to the final round.

We just heard BAE has won the award. We thought we had a slight advantage over BAE and Oshkosh but that’s not the case! We are happy that our troops will have a new safe vehicle for the future.

Oshkosh is the winner / I am told

BAE Caimen has best impact energy mitigation features. Caimen gets the call.

Hehe… You know it!

Congrats BAE Santa Clara job well done! Thought for sure OSH would be the winner.…

Good luck BAE, best vehicle won.

Just post the award already, we know from a few subcontractor BAE has the award.

ALL OF YOU WHO PICKED BAE, NICE JOB.

DAMN! I should of bought BAE stock instead of FPI.

Damon, what FCS package? There is no more FCS. Plus the stuff raytheon had developed for FCS is not exclusive to anyone.

Anyone else hear that BAE has outlasted oshkosh, force and nav?

Oshkosh has this one won.

Each company’s stock took a hot today …no indication there…

Sorry…hit!!

BAE just got the award, buddy of mine does the fuel tanks. He isn’t golfing today because of a conference call with his subs to meet demand.

Damn! Damn! Damn! Sad day for us, we thought for sure it was our award. BAE won the entire award. We orginally thought they’d at worst split the award. Sad day!

Is BAE confirmed the winner of MATV?

Has BAE been declared winner?

Oshkosh wins
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The Winner is… Oshkosh!

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U.S. ARMY TANK — AUTOMOTIVE AND ARMAMENTS COMMAND

Oshkosh Corporation., Oshkosh, WI is being awarded a $1,055,910,053 Firm Fixed Priced Delivery Order Number 0002 under Contract W56HZV-09-D-0111 for the purchase of 2,244 MRAP All Terrain Vehicles (M-ATVs), Basic Issue Items, Field Service Representative Support, Equipment, Engineering, Authorized Stocking List Parts Packages and Prescribed Load List parts packages. The US Army Tank Automotive Command, Warren, Michigan, is the contracting activity.

Can anyone confirm that the Caiman won, that it was Global Tactical Systems as opposed to US Combat Systems?

Oshkosh just announced they received the contract for $1 Billion.

Oshkosh Corporation., Oshkosh, WI is being awarded a $1,055,910,053 Firm Fixed Priced Delivery Order Number 0002 under Contract W56HZV-09-D-0111 for the purchase of 2,244 MRAP All Terrain Vehicles (M-ATVs), Basic Issue Items, Field Service Representative Support, Equipment, Engineering, Authorized Stocking List Parts Packages and Prescribed Load List parts packages. The US Army Tank Automotive Command, Warren, Michigan, is the contracting activity

http://​www​.defenselink​.mil/​c​o​n​t​r​a​c​t​s​/​c​o​n​t​r​a​c​t​.​a​s​p​x​?​c​o​n​t​r​a​c​t​i​d​=​4​061

Oshkosh won the billion dollar contract! Damn, I was hoping Navistar.

I’m glad Force Protection didn’t get it. Oshkosh and Navistar had the best vehicles in the running.

Congradualtions OSK!

How many of you have been under a rock??? BAE has not been in the competition for a while… It was down to three and BAE was NOT one of them.

So the bigger question is who will be awarded the additional 3000 vehicles? Are any of the other bidders still in the running for the subsequent award?

BAE will get the next 2000 unit order. DOD stated they want 5200 initially.

bad math. thats 3000.

That is correct. There will be multiple awards which BAE will get the 2nd half. We are just happy to have won.

osk is the winner !!!
all of you smart analist
you didnt see it coming!!!

ha…ha… ha…

Honestly, where do some of you get your information? A sincere thanks to those of you who posted legit copy/pastes, or links to REAL stories, but geez, as somebody looking for legit information, do you other folks have any idea how annoying it is to have to filter through all this rubbish?

Anyway, congrats to Osh Gosh, make the troops proud.

Yes we are very happy to have WON!!! Shows what hard work can do… and for BAE i beleave i just made a important part of a truck that has the OSHKOSH name on it.. but is going under a BAE vehicle… HMMM..

Hmmmm good point dave… will the armor requirements be needed or excessive spend (and consumption of fuel) in future conflicts?

With independent suspension Oshkosh has been pretty much been a lock for a while here. Don’t count them out for a second award. BAE offers more options though at a substantial markup. Force Protection, originally thought to have submitted an inferior product actually came through with a respectable entry at an attractive price. Don’t count either out here. Tomorrow’s a new day, and we all await a new 5:00pm announcement.

Duck—you must be kidding! NAV had already failed the initial requirements but protested until they changed the definition (that all other companies managed to meet!) so that their inferior vehicle was allowed to remain in the running!!! From that point it was never taken seriously! It builds school buses, and that’s what it should go back to! It was political conniving that enabled them to win earlier competitions over FRPT which has by far the better vehicle! If another company wins a portion it will be FRPT, perhaps working with OSK which it has already done in the past.

we can all agree the oshkosh truck was the prettiest of the bunch. that’s why they won.

Every one is excited about this new vehicle…until the next war when they get hit from sabot rounds shot from a T55 or T72 series tank. Then, after the soldiers and marines killed are buried, the blood washed from the floor of the vehicles, and deaths swept under rug.

Theses rolling death traps have too hugh of a ground clearence, they are way too lightly armored (even with the fabled frag6 kit)and will light up like a roman candle with all that rubber in the tires, fuel, and metal in the vehicle.

Again, the brass at the pentagon has shown that the pentagon brass is as stupid as the privates coming out of basic training…and that Def Sec gates is again smoking crack.

Future wars will not be like Iraq and Afghanistan…they may be on the hills of South Korea, on the island of Taiwan, in the jungles of South America, or on the Savannah of Africa.
They may be fought with T72 tanks, BMP troop carriers, or as insurgencies. But to be gearing up for one type of war is suicide…and if you plan on giving your life for freedom, then the pentagon brass just made sure you will have an easy oppertunity to do so riding in a M-ATV and MMRAP

Heheh… so much for those “inside informatives”. We were confident from the beginning… our chassis are tried and proven.

Pretty doesn’t save lives.… im very sure the safety of the troops inside was also a important part of the vehicle..

Were you or are you in the military operation7thwave? Either way… becuz of wars and people fighting and losing their lives gives you the right to speak the way you just did…

When I fight here in Korea I hope its in an armored vehicle rather than some soft skinned truck. Seoul would be the largest MOUT site ever. MATV would do well on the more improved roads here in the ROK. Even MRAP would do okay, but they would still be just battle field taxis.

When will they award the “second half” of the award? Anyone know?

Good, we still need the JLTV to replace the bulk of the HMMWV fleet however.

Now what do we do with all of our regular MRAPs of questionable utility beyond convoy duty in Iraq?

There will not be a ‘second half’, the 5,000 figure is little more than a maximum specific requirement including estimates for the USMC and USAF who have yet to even commit to M-ATV. Future orders will come in much small numbers on an as need basis and there is little reason to think that they will go to anyone other than Oshkosh.

If you have ever ridden in HMMWV you would be glad to to have a M ATV. A thin skin HMMWV was certain death in an ambush I would have given anything to have what they have now. You shouldn’t be in a position to fight with a T72 when in a M ATV heck a Bradley can’t take a hit from a sabot round and survive. The M ATV is a good thing for the soldiers and way over due.

Caiman proved best blast mitigation at Aberdeen. Osh has a great product and was an American Made sentimental favorite; that is OK. But, M-ATV is about best blast protection. Does anyone know if another announcement will be made today for the balance of the 5200 MATVs? Kodi keep watch.

mfgwmysonK, there is no balance: http://​www​.defensenews​.com/​s​t​o​r​y​.​p​h​p​?​i​=​4​1​6​5​6​2​2​&​a​m​p​;​c​=​A​M​E​&​a​m​p​;​s​=​LAN

BAE was in it to the last. We, the major subcontractor, are shocked.

This is great for me, I work for the company supplying the balistic glass to oshkosh. Way to go Oshkosh.

I really hope OTC reconsiders the reliability of the cast components of this vehicle suspension system that won them the bid. These are mostly being made now in Korea. I don’t think that our fighting guys will like the sound of the that. Let’s keep this american vehicle made 100% here and nowhere else. OTC makes a really good product but can be better.

Any idea what type of castings OTC are sourcing from Korea (sand, lost wax)? Alloy types?

I was shocked that our suppliers can even use foreign sources on our US Military vehicles, I thought we had DFAR requirements to stop this from happening

I really hope the Oshkosh M-ATV can protect American soldiers from road side bombs as well as BAE’s Caimen. Lives are on the line. Caimen out performed all in blast testing. We will soon know this fall.

Does castrepUSA think his good old American Ford Truck is completely made in the U.S.A. I don’t think so. The M-ATV has an already proven suspension. It has well over a half million miles of theater testing on the MTVR. Why don’t you go cry in the corner.

Hey Boohoo I hear that the MTVR axles have cracked in Afgan. I just think our US Govenrment vehicles should be Made by American sources. We all know the Big 3 went to LCC’s year’s ago I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples

It is a tad disgusting to review these comments and feel the wastrels ready to drink at the trough, make money on the stock, and get away with unproven technology. Oshkosh, thank goodness is a proven company in what it does. The B company is like the other very large ones, with the taxpayers getting hosed and some sizeable fraction of the products being nightmares or mantraps. Get real, we can’t right companies an open check. Betcha BAE would lose money on the deal, and it is supposed to be FFP.

Apparently, this winning bid was chosen some time ago, since “Oshkosh began daily production on its manufacturing line a few weeks ago”. So, I would think the announcement was only for public sake.

I, to, am worried about the subcontracting to non-US companies, where sabotage at the material level can occur. An armored vehicle is very vulnerable if the potential enemy knows the weakness. Even more, they know where the fault is built in. A harden piece of hardware can been weakness with a cup of sand added to the mixture.

I’m curious. There seems to be a few who are assuming that future conflicts will be heavy and I’m not so certain.

I think we may have decided to tailor our force to one which mostly occupies just the ground portion of our battlespace and has significant technological deficiencies.

With the increasing availability of recon drones I suspect we’re going to find that large concentrations of forces and heavy equipment will be increasingly vulnerable to any militarily competent force we might face. It seems likely that we will have to learn to disperse our forces, accept losses of men and equipment and maintain a battlespace awareness and mobility that allow us to concentrate direct and indirect fires from relatively light ground and air forces.

I’ll be happiest if you convincingly tell me I’m wrong.

Sorry, I should have stated that we are tailoring our force to an opponent which mostly occupies the ground portion of our battlespace.

the person who said they heard that our outstanding otc matv is made in korea is way wrong i have been building these trucks and they will be built in oshkosh by men like me in the u s of a

It could also turn out to end up in a split army… Army of Invasion with Marines and heavy armour, and an army of Occupation with MRAPs and strykers to keep the conquered natives heads down after the armour pulls out.

Believe me, your guesses about future wars are as good as what all the King’s horses at the Joint Chiefs of Staff and all the intelligence agencies can come up with. Regardless, let’s not let the Big Six Defense contractors drain our treasury without some protection for our brave troops and good value for the folks who are paying for it. Let’s give a big hand to Oshkosh.

What is this all coming to??

seams were giving to much power to one individual company..But what do i know..

BAE is owned by one of General Electrics’ 18 or so Divisions. G E is owned by Chase J.P. Morgan.
J.P. Morgan tells Congress what to do. And where the bids go. Why? If they don’t give the contract to a J.P. Morgan backed company. They either tell them no, or charge more interest. J.P. Morgan has been financing every U.S. War Contract since the
1900’s. Ever wonder why General Motors got such sweet heart deals? And sold such crap to the Army.
Like the LAV, and similar junk. But recently, J.P. Morgan pulled the plug on GMC and let it sink. Too bad for all those people that worked there. Oh well. With out J.P. Morgan’s money, we
could not afford to buy anything right now.
Unless we barrow 3 trillion more from the Russians, or 5 Trillion from the Red Chinese, or
from the Saudis, a ton from them. And a few trillion from the Rothschild/ Bank of Brittan.
And were buying $400,000.00 vehicles for a war that will be against our bankers? Not to mention the Vehicles designs are static pieces of junk. They are death traps. Opp.7thwave right on. TARDEC you are a sissy.

The marines will want to see it swim ashore before they buy it won’t they?

The EFV is going to get the ax and the MATV will work where there are some hard surfaces.
Sounds like the marines will have to live with the LAV-25 and LAAV-7 awhile longer in the amphibious assault arena.

Just a little factoid.
Allison Transmission. I haven’t looked this month who owns them. But recently, the Carlyle Group did. They make every Automatic transmission in every U.S. Army Tactical vehicle currently in use. And who financed Carlyle? Saudi Arabia.
By the way. The suspension from the MTVR/Trac4? design. Is from the British Isles. The FMTV. Austria. Don’t look now. But BAE/ British Aerospace owns almost everything on land or in the water. Or the helmets and belts you wear.
BAE is GE in the UK. J.P Morgan has the largest Army, Navy and Air Force in the World. He paid for all of it. Ask your Congressman.
By the way. Saudi Arabia, they have a office in the Pentagon. Why?

The problems with BAE is not who owns them. It is the track record and value of things they sell to the US govt to make its forces lethal and to protect the valiant troops. This situation cries out for more competition, not to mention hearings and investigations. Who keeps ensuring they get contracts, em?

The U.S. does not chose fighting vehicles on merit of design. But financial and political pedigree. Most of our vehicles just flat out suck. But everyone says they are great. How high is the bed on a FMTV, or MTVR? And we were the Army that thought Humvees were a urban tactical patrol vehicle.“But if we armor it, it will be!” What if we mount 6000 lbs of stuff on it? What if we ?
What if we just used vehicles for their intended purpose. The problem was. GM had control of that little gem of a design at the height of the commotion. The more HUMVEE S that bit the dust. The more they sold. Forget G.I Joe. Interestingly, HUMVEE, wanted to sue other armor companies. To have exclusive rights to equip the Humvee. It is their design, Right?
They backed off. But it shows the callousness of a defense company. Solders? Apparently, you get to pay the price. Wait until the RPG 8’s get out there. M-ATV= Scrap metal. And burned, dead people. Not to mention Coronets. TARDEC you stink. And your GiAY!

I think that the selection competition should be held all over again. I would be willing to bet that not enough factors were considered the first time around.
For example could any of the proposed vehicles run on alternative fuels?
Were any of them designed to minimize injuries to civilian pedestrians who are occupied with their radios while walking in occupied territories?
Are any of these vehicles equipped with fine particle filters to reduce the levels of health damning emissions?
Are Braille instructions available on the vehicle?
Most importantly are the wheel chair accessible? You may not think that such a thing is important but how is a person supposed to get out of the vehicle if they have no legs?

BAE should have won!!!

It’s about time TACOM got involved, they know more about tacticle vehicle’s sence the jeep corp. I’ll bet the last administration would have gave the contract to KBR or blackwater(ZE)some such nonsence.

This vehicle is meant for Afghanistan where terrain sucks and the other armored trucks roll/tip over ( I know I just got back and was involved in a rollover and came close to others). So when you say this is stupid because Iraq is the only place with IEDs and we are pulling out you need pull you head out of your butt and take fresh breath, you are a moron.

Where does the Cheetah fit into all of this? Its more of an M-rap with room for soldiers and a gun on top. Is Oshkosh vehicle better than the Humvee?

What happened to FRPT?

Rhyno327 July 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm

“Where does the Cheetah fit into all of this? Its more of an M-rap with room for soldiers and a gun on top. Is Oshkosh vehicle better than the Humvee?”

A VW beetle is better than the HUMVEE, it has more armor.

armygirl, nice reply.

All I have to say is I build this M-ATV. It is downright awesome. The ultimate offroad vehicle, capable of protecting our soldiers, the important thing. What is this Cheetah? A cat. Oh yeah, Oshkosh has one of those to it’s called the Sandcat. Why is everybody picking on the Tak-4 suspension on the OTC M-ATV. I hear it was the only truck to pass the suspension test.

I don’t doubt that the M-ATV is an awesome vehicle.

What I doubt is whether we should really be building vehicles that heavy/expensive. At the moment I think we do but I’m not sure it’s right.

I’m really wondering whether it wouldn’t be better to make a whole bunch of light and maybe even unarmored vehicles and put just one or two soldiers in each with the ability to have rapid ingress and egress.

I really worry that we’ve entered a period where relatively light forces (I’m talking dismounted infantry) can readily destroy even relatively heavy armor. If my concerns are right then the answer may be to have many small, dispersed, and “low value” targets which are still able to concentrate fire through superior intel and coordination.

FWIW (and it may be worth what you paid for it).

The majority of all the vehicles in the military’s fleet are this expensive, just to let you know. Heavy? This is actually an extremely light vehicle considering it’s size and how thick it,s armor is.

Boy, bunch of poop house lawyers and overly emotional wrecks in this chat room. Guys, need to do your homework:
1. Navistar did not protest. Oshkosh did when the award went to only BAE and Navistar. Oshkosh only got back in the running thru protest and “crying on capitol hill”. Ohand by the the way Navistar and BAE were partnered on both of their vehicle prototypes.
2. The MTVR Suspension TAK-4 is not what the MTVR is famous for in the Marine Corps. Might have something to do with that CAT and Allison combo powering that baby…the power upgrade, in comparison to what the Marine Corps was used to with M939 is what has them sold on MTVR. Oh, and the TAK-4 is not without its significant problems..
3. Lastly, and mark my words, Oshkosh will not be able to produce the numbers in time..and will blame it on someone else. They are landlocked and can only put out 25 trucks a day…on a flexible line that produces all their trucks. Ask em what happnened on their Alpha vehicle..

How many soldiers can this new machine carry?
Is it between 7–11? What is its top road speed?
Is it over 50 mph? How many can be carried on a C-130? Is it Four or five? Does it have AC?
What about TGIF? THeese may sound like silly questions for serious people. Well if you can not get in to it then stay out of it. Now that really does not make any sense does it.

Richard, you are lucky that the things that you write on the internet and in the newspapers and say on the radio get forgotten so quickly. If anyone actually paid any attention to what you write and remembered it your words would be used against you at your trial.
It is never to late to start all over again, to love the ones who have caused you pain and help them learn your name. Tell me who is to say after all is done and you are finally gone, you won’t be back again? You can find a way to change today. You don’t have to wait until then. Amen

Now that is another mystery isn’t it?

Yes a Sufi can disappear and reappear at any time.

Too cool to be a fool,when does the 2221 get one.

Sounds like some sorry losers here, and a bunch of half truths by people on the outside looking in with no real first hand info. Do some research and you will find most comments on this board are incorrect and or misunderstood.

O.K. Fred are you on the inside looking out? Congrats my fellow U.A.W local 578 brothers.

boohoo, Fred may not be an insider, but at least he did not pretend to be. Too many people were just BS and left crap.

Cassius Clay,
Oshkosh sources all types of suspension and other parts in Korea and China. The majority I have seen are sand cast ductile iron and steel and heat treat enhanced ductile iron. Items such as control arms, steering arms. castrep is correct the equipment could be better if north American parts were favored over cost.

Thank God that Force Protection did not win the M-ATV contract. They have failed time and time again to support their vehicles with proper configuration management, logistics and documentation. This fact is well known within the ranks of FP and management has responded with indifference for years.
Congrats to Oshkosh!

greendiesel,
you must have worked for Osh Kosh with all that “insider” information. i hope no one from Osh Kosh is checking this website out. they could probably figure out who you are.
as to your comment about the OEM not being able to meet contractual requirements…i am confident that the USG did its due diligence before awarding this large of a contract. didn’t a selection committee travel to all the OEMs to determine capacity and such? why would they award to an OEM that could not produce the quanitity as you stated. why setup themselves, the Marines, and the OEM up for failure? that wouldn’t make any sense given the urgent nature of the requirement.

why do so many of you write bs in here when you don’t know the facts. I would be writing all day just to correct all of the bs on this page. you should be able to come to this page for information, not misdirection.

I was in Aberdeen with the trucks so I think I might have a pretty good shot at knowing the details of the contract and the performance of all 5 trucks. The Oshkosh M-ATV outperformed all, in every aspect of the performance testing and was second lowest cost. So be proud of BAE, Navistar, and Force Protection. But in the end, the winner is the winner, and Oshkosh Corp. is it.

greendiesel, by the way, Navistar DID protest not oshkosh. You are thinking of the JLTV program. And Oshkosh DID NOT get back in it. If you want to talk smart, know what you are talking about. And as far as the TAK-4’s significant problems, name one! You probably don’t even know what TAK-4 is.

green diesel, there is more than just one production line at Oshkosh corp. The 25 trucks per day that you speak of only comes off one of the the assembly lines and the trucks coming off that line are much bigger and more complex than the new M-ATV. I think you need to “Do your homework” as well.

The bagel is correct. There is more than one production line facility at Oshkosh. The new plant will surpass all delivery requirements. Green Diesel doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Wow! It is interesting to me to read so many mis-guided, passionate responses!

As a sub-prime to all of the MRAP Suppliers, as well as many of the “Legacy” Platforms, I was a bit suprised to see OTC win the M-ATV — only becuase they were not already a provider of the MRAP.

During the MRAP Program, suppliers were asked to do things that were almost not even possible.

Putting out 17,000 trucks from ground up in less than 18 months or so really desrves a lot of credit.

I have spoke with Soldiers and Marines in COUGARS, Caimans, MaxxPros and RG33s and ALL have stated these Vehicles are life savers.

The fact that the Gov’t has decided to fund the M-ATV is encouraging to me.

It sounds like the TAK-4 is the cat’s meow for suspension and this was what the Marines wanted.

Congrats PTC and good luck to the rest of the Team on the next contract!!

Go USA!! matthew.drakeatgrote,com

FPI HAD PROMISED THE FOLKS AT ROXBORO NC JOBS, BUT THEY JUST BULLSHITTED ALL THOSE FOLKS. FPI DOESNT DESERVE M-ATV AWARD. FPI TIME TO SHUTEM DOWN.

Good job osh, now can you actually build the things in a timely manner ? I doubt it, were not talking about tonka toys here kids. Its obvious you’re in WAY over your head, and the only reason you got the contract was because you were going bankrupt. Can you say another government bailout? That’s exactly what it was.Well be there to bail you out when you choke, don’t worry. Leave the professional work to the professionals.

bae guy, sounds like sour grapes. Don’t forget what the “B” in BAE stands for. I for one applaud the Gov for awarding this contract to an American company, hope the same thing happens with JLTV. Not surprised at your arrogance, it also fits well with the “B”.
Let’s all be happy that Force Protection is not the award winner, our warfighter is better for it, wish I could say the same for your “Brits” trying to support the Mastiffs & Ridgbacks!!!

the matvs were going to be in america by americans mostly desert storm and iraqi freedom vets. I am one of them(desert storm). The brits get the money, not the praise and satisfaction. osh got lucky with their “state of the art” suspension system, considering they failed the first bolistic test. Glad i’m not going to be fighting in one. And your right, force protection sucks.

It is not surprising that BAE lost the ontract. Remember, BAE also failed to get the FCS project straight out. What was going on within BAE is that many of the most competent and talented engineers were no longer there. People should have confidence that the OTC m-atv will do a better job than MRAP.

bae guy… u are an idiot. Sore loser much?! Oshkosh already made the first production deadline and delivered more than was needed. Grow up and quit your cryin you big baby.

BAE GUY, YOU GOT THE WRONG ATTITUDE. IM GLAD OSHKOSH WON BECAUSE IT KEEPS AN AMERICAN COMPANY WITH AMERICANS WORKING. THERE BRAND OF M-ATV WILL DO VERY WELL.

intheknow– you can take your xenophobia and do us the favor and not chat on this board. BAE Systems employs thousands of AMERICANS on AMERICAN soil. Think of how many AMERICAN jobs could have been created/maintained if they had won. So what if the remaining profits, after they flow up through all the divisions of the US business, eventually go to the UK– the stimulus to the AMERICAN economy greatly outweighs any profits that flow out of the country.

»Think of how many AMERICAN jobs could have been created/maintained if they had won.

Please explain the logic to me that says they would have created anymore jobs than Oshkosh is creating.

»So what if the remaining profits, after they flow up through all the divisions of the US business, eventually go to the UK– the stimulus to the AMERICAN economy greatly outweighs any profits that flow out of the country.

As opposed to the remaining profits staying in the US after they flow through all layers of the business as they are with Oshkosh.

None of this matters. All trucks were thoroughly vetted by the military and Oshkosh won hands down. If BAE had produced a superior vehicle they would have gotten the business. They didn’t. End of story.

WELL SAID!! END OF STORY!!

You did’nt MAKE A SUPERIOR VEHICLE, you got bailed out of a bankruptcy by the government. which they’re good at doing these days-(Fanny may,Freddy-mac, General Motors), and now Oshkosh, they felt sorry for you, like we do. Why? because we know our m-atv is the best and alwayse will be,they didnt care about the truck idiots, it was about saving jobs. Plus you under bid your capabilities, and will still be 1.5 billion in debt,and still have to file bankruptcy. haha

wow you are just sooo smart. You are just like a little kid. Cry about it why don’t you. Oshkosh won. BAE didn’t. Get over it.

»Think of how many AMERICAN jobs could have been created/maintained if they had won.

»>Please explain the logic to me that says they would have created anymore jobs than Oshkosh is creating.

My point was not that BAE would create any more jobs than Oshkosh– it was the rediculous argument that intheknow was making that since BAE is ultimately owned by Brits (mind you they are one of our greatest allies), they were undeserving of the contract. Frankly, if the Oshkosh vehicle was the best solution to keep our soliders safe, so be it and good luck to that company. I just found it absurd to attack BAE on nationality grounds.

Who is Oshkosh using for their steel (Armor)? Is it an American company?

Plasan North America… same as Navistar’s ATV

Plasan based in Israel. I see Navistar dropped them a while back. I’d be curious why? Anyone?

so osh you choking yet
/ you will

I JUST GOT WORD TODAY, OUR QUOTE FOR PARTS ON THE M-ATV PROJECT WERE LOWER BUT OSH WILL REMAIN BUYING PRODUCT FROM OUTSIDE THE U.S. WHAT GIVES? AMERICAN METAL, JOBS, LOWER COST…I HOPE HOWEVER GOT THE CONTRACT CAN FIGHT THE WARS TOO! MY SON IS A MARINE TOO. GUESS I BETTER LEARN TO SELL FOR CHINA OR KOREA!!

bae guy, why is oshkosh currently putting TAK-4 under BAE’s RG31? Probably because BAE is just way better.

just got word today that we willo be bailing you out.TOLD YA’ SO

it sucks that oshkosh is going to be building the FMTV now… its just a turd on wheels. Ooops. oh yea that is BAE’s

whatever, do you even know what your talking about? like i said before, government bailout.enough said, face the facts.

WTF are you even talking about? Who is being bailed out? Not Oshkosh. You are an idiot. Just got word today that ur a dousch bag.

i also heard u can’t keep up with the governments demands, we’ll be there to pick up the pieces​.as usual.stick to what you know how to do best, screw things up.

I like how every sentence u put on here always starts with “I heard” Who are you hearing all this from? Your baby sister or something? Not one bit of what you say makes a bit of sense. Give it up already and hopefully BAE and Navistar will quit protesting and slowing things up.

who’s doing your armor kits know it all? thats what i thought.only a matter of time before you face the facts.

ur so smart. u must be why BAE is doing so well. With that said im out and not lookin at this site again b/c its just u and me battling it out in here. Good luck to you.

why does it matter who makes our armor kits? Obviously our armor was the best. That was the main purpose of the vehicle, to protect troops. So if we have to use an armor company other than a US company, then so be it but the troops in that truck will be better off than in any of the other trucks. Obviously the government would have chosen the safest vehicle. Your arguments make absolutely no sense. GOOD BYE!

From what I hear OSHKOSH Underbid the contract to keep from going under. In addition I also hear they arent equipped to handle the demand.

they are not thats why were bailing them out

How is BAE bailing us out? Equipped to handle demand? Sure are.

your gonna loose the contract, your gonna loose the contract.….

I was just looking for some information on this new truck. Interesting comments on here. I don’t really care who won the contract as long as are troops are safe. That is what everyone one on here should be worried about, and not be making childish comments about their competitor. I understand it sucks to lose a contract when you poured your heart and soul into a project. That is life. Life isn’t always fair, but you just have to lift your chin up, put on a grin and go after the next challenge. Just try harder on the next one, eventually things will come your way. For the winner… congrats! For me… I will have to go somewhere else to find out about this truck. Too much B.S. on here to get any real facts.

Well interesting note in the local paper today.B.A.E. just won their government protest against the Omygosh i can’t believe they won,I mean Oshkosh company, regarding their FMTV contract that was fradulently rewarded to them this past OCT.proving my theory in previous threads that they did not make a superior vehicle, they were felt sorry for and obama was paying off the unions.Sorry, B.A.E. is hiring in Cincy!!!! HAHA

trying to use metals from china. and israel? oshkosh thats a nono. we cal that trying to defraud the government, or more commonly k now as treason. nice knowing ya’ told ya months ago to stick to garbage trucks.amateurs, cant play with the big boys

bae guy, you are a frickin idiot. I’d have to say at the very least 99% of what you have posted about the M-ATV contract is complete and utter bull crap! So I will keep this short and to the point for you. Oshkosh is way ahead of orders for the contract and will be completed by March. So you were obviously wrong when you stated they were going to lose the contract or not have the ability to produce that many trucks. As for the protest goes…Oshkosh did not have the FMTV contract taken from them, the contract is not reopen for bidding, and it is still looking good for Oshkosh to retain it on the 14th of February. Next time you post something maybe you should either wait to see how the company does in it’s production of said contracts before posting things that in the long run make you out to look stupid or do a little research first.(i.e. BAE protest) Get your facts straight before posting such nonsense.

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