<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Murtha Questions Army Camo</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:49:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: crusrjoel</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-20724</link> <dc:creator>crusrjoel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:17:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-20724</guid> <description>Why does the Dept. of the Army have to pay for unforms for it&#039;s troops? They should do like the Marine Corps and have the troops PAY for their uniforms. It&#039;s not a novel idea. Besides, I guarantee the troops will definately take better care of them if they have to dole out the money for unsatisfactory and damaged uniforms. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the Dept. of the Army have to pay for unforms for it’s troops? They should do like the Marine Corps and have the troops PAY for their uniforms. It’s not a novel idea. Besides, I guarantee the troops will definately take better care of them if they have to dole out the money for unsatisfactory and damaged uniforms.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: S. Pritchard</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-17753</link> <dc:creator>S. Pritchard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:55:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-17753</guid> <description>It&#039;s easy to be apathetic, my friend, when you aren&#039;t the one being shot at. I feel like a sore thumb in ACU&#039;s, unaffectionately dubbed &quot;I See You&#039;s&quot; during my first Iraq deployment. They&#039;re like a multitool - able to do many things but not particularly good at anything. A soldier you can see is a soldier you can kill. I pay taxes like anyone else and sure wouldn&#039;t mind a little of that money being allocated to uniform change. It may just help me live a bit longer. -SP- </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s easy to be apathetic, my friend, when you aren’t the one being shot at. I feel like a sore thumb in ACU’s, unaffectionately dubbed “I See You’s” during my first Iraq deployment. They’re like a multitool — able to do many things but not particularly good at anything. A soldier you can see is a soldier you can kill. I pay taxes like anyone else and sure wouldn’t mind a little of that money being allocated to uniform change. It may just help me live a bit longer.</p><p>–SP–</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arc USBPx</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-13662</link> <dc:creator>Arc USBPx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-13662</guid> <description>For what its worth, i&#039;m not speaking from a postion of authority here.  I never served over seas in combat or had an occation in which camo put me in a life or death situation.  My experience is with the U.S. Border Patrol where we wore forest green uniforms without a pattren and have recently gone to a OD utility style uniform.  I have to tell you, the faded OD just works. Its just as effective from the lush green sub tropical we have in deep south texas to the sage deserts of southeren California and even inthe mountains in Arizona.  Now I can see where it might stick out a bit in a pure sandy desert, so wear tan or carry a tan  shemagh.  What I DO know is that the detailed guard units that work with us in there ACU stick out like sore thumbs in ANY enviroment.  The exception to this rule is when using NVG equipment.  In this case the ACU does blend in better, but heres the irony,  who has the NVGs most of the time in modren warfair?  US!!!!!  So here is what ACU does, It makes you harder to see by frienly forces and easyer to see by the enemy.  Does this make any sence to anyone?I do have some expence with pattren camo in another place.  Ok before I say this, please understand this is a hobby.  I am an avid airsofter/milsimer.  (ok, finish laugin and read on).  One thing that this type of gaming is good for is testing uniforms.  Think about it guys, we dont have any restrictions on what we wear, we have money to buy whatever tacticool crap we want and get to see ALL types of uniforms right next to each other all the time. I was at a game just this last weekend where we had teams wearing ACU, MARPAT, DMARPART, Multicam, DCU, BDU, Black and OD.  Thats not to mention the guys that wear guillies, cadpat, flectarn, that british pattren that i cant rember the name of and even XCAM which is a digital multicam (Dumb Idea anyone?)The envirment we play in is both green wooded and tan sage so you get a bit of all colors.  I&#039;ve been doing this for 4 years now and Ive noticed a few things.1. Multicam isn&#039;t 2. ACU is like wearing hunter orange 3. Marpat is not bad but not great (too much brown) 4. DMarpat is just DCU 5. Air Force digital is ACU 6. BDU and DCU are as effective as Marpat and Dmarpat (exception, BDU in green woods is a bit harder to spot) 7. Faded OD green with a bit of natural foliage is as hard to spot as pattren camo.So what works?  Well they all do except ACU. Here is what I recommend.  Insted of doing all of this R&amp;D in the latesist and greatist camoflage color, start focusing on physicaly breaking up that silhouette.  Change your headgear or attach items that make your head look like a blob insted of, well, a head.  When I was tracking aliens (the undocumented kind, not the little green ones) thats what we would look for, the silhouette of the head and sholders.  I use a shemagh to great effect.  Its light weight, effective and I can carry more than one in diffrent colors and instantly swtich from tan to green and hide anywhere.  I drap it over my head, around my neck, over my head and sholders, over my rifle or what ever part happens to be exposed physicaly disrupting my silhouette insted of relying on a pattren that is fixed on parts of my body.  Heres the best part, THERE CHEAP. They can be made of any materal, and can easly be modified to use natual foliage.  I have one that i sew a net on to and I stick all sorts of sage and grass into it, keep it in my cargo pocket and yank it out and reload it with what is immediatly around me when ever im going be &quot;laying in&quot; and in 60 seconds i got a sniper hide.  Now im not saying this is a final soulution but camoflage manufatures and people who decide what uniforms people are wearing need to start thinking outside the box or in this case outside the uniform.  Put eveyone in Multican, train them with cheap alternative camoflague devices and call it a day.  Thats my two cents.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what its worth, i’m not speaking from a postion of authority here.  I never served over seas in combat or had an occation in which camo put me in a life or death situation.  My experience is with the U.S. Border Patrol where we wore forest green uniforms without a pattren and have recently gone to a OD utility style uniform.  I have to<br /> tell you, the faded OD just works. Its just as effective from the lush green sub tropical we have in deep south texas to the sage deserts of southeren California and even in</p><p>the mountains in Arizona.  Now I can see where it might stick out a bit in a pure sandy desert, so wear tan or carry a tan  shemagh.  What I DO know is that the detailed guard<br /> units that work with us in there ACU stick out like sore thumbs in ANY enviroment.  The exception to this rule is when using NVG equipment.  In this case the ACU does blend in better, but heres the irony,  who has the NVGs most of the time in modren warfair?  US!!!!!  So here is what ACU does, It makes you harder to see by frienly forces and easyer to see by the enemy.  Does this make any sence to anyone?</p><p>I do have some expence with pattren camo in another place.  Ok before I say this, please understand this is a hobby.  I am an avid airsofter/milsimer.  (ok, finish laugin and read on).  One thing that this type of gaming is good for is testing uniforms.  Think about it guys, we dont have any restrictions on what we wear, we have money to buy whatever tacticool crap we want and get to see ALL types of uniforms right next to each other all the time. I was at a game just this last weekend where we had teams wearing ACU, MARPAT, DMARPART, Multicam, DCU, BDU, Black and OD.  Thats not to mention the guys that wear guillies, cadpat, flectarn, that british pattren that i cant rember the name<br /> of and even XCAM which is a digital multicam (Dumb Idea anyone?)</p><p>The envirment we play in is both green wooded and tan sage so you get a bit of all colors.  I’ve been doing this for 4 years now and Ive noticed a few things.</p><p>1. Multicam isn’t<br /> 2. ACU is like wearing hunter orange<br /> 3. Marpat is not bad but not great (too much brown)<br /> 4. DMarpat is just DCU<br /> 5. Air Force digital is ACU<br /> 6. BDU and DCU are as effective as Marpat and Dmarpat (exception, BDU in green woods is a bit harder to spot)<br /> 7. Faded OD green with a bit of natural foliage is as hard to spot as pattren camo.</p><p>So what works?  Well they all do except ACU. Here is what I recommend.  Insted of doing all of this R&amp;D in the latesist and greatist camoflage color, start focusing on physicaly breaking up that silhouette.  Change your headgear or attach items that make your head look like a blob insted of, well, a head.  When I was tracking aliens (the undocumented kind, not the little green ones) thats what we would look for, the silhouette of the head and sholders.  I use a shemagh to great effect.  Its light weight, effective and I can carry more than one in diffrent colors and instantly swtich from tan to green and hide anywhere.  I drap it over my head, around my neck, over my head and sholders, over my rifle or what ever part happens to be exposed physicaly disrupting my silhouette insted of relying on a pattren that is fixed on parts of my body.  Heres the best part, THERE CHEAP. They can be made of any materal, and can easly be modified to use natual foliage.  I have one that i sew a net on to and I stick all sorts of sage and grass into it, keep it in my cargo pocket and yank it out and reload it with what is immediatly around me when ever im going be “laying in” and in 60 seconds i got a sniper hide.  Now im not saying this is a final soulution but camoflage manufatures and people who decide what uniforms people are wearing need to start thinking outside the box or in this case outside the uniform.  Put eveyone in Multican, train them with cheap alternative camoflague devices and call it a day.  Thats my two cents.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sgtheavygilstrap</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10990</link> <dc:creator>sgtheavygilstrap</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10990</guid> <description>Murtha was a part time marine, and also was a part time congressman.  What else need to be said.  Perhaps he and some general are in cahoots in a uniform mfg company.  Give it some thought... The army baret is stupid for everyday wear.  It was intended for special groups as was the leather flight jacket. Give me a mustang anyday as a leader....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha was a part time marine, and also was a part time congressman.  What else need to be said.  Perhaps he and some general are in cahoots in a uniform mfg company.  Give it some thought…<br /> The army baret is stupid for everyday wear.  It was intended for special groups as was the leather flight jacket.<br /> Give me a mustang anyday as a leader.…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vic in Tucson</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10988</link> <dc:creator>Vic in Tucson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:50:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10988</guid> <description>Murtha wants to award another earmark to one of his political contributors. Murtha is nothing but a traitorous piece of crap after his statements about our troops in Iraq.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha wants to award another earmark to one of his political contributors. Murtha is nothing but a traitorous piece of crap after his statements about our troops in Iraq.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BOOMER</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10969</link> <dc:creator>BOOMER</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10969</guid> <description>Gee there is a lot going on with this subject. Plain and simple fact is the brass is going to pick what they want despite what we say here, always have. The brass is all about developing the latest duplicates from star wars or star trek. Soon I am expecting them to to restart the exo suit concept again, as soon as they watch G.I.Joe. You cant have one uniform/ weapon/ and gear combo that will work in ervery enviroment. If the brass would ask the troops what they want we would still be wearing slant pocket greens,boonie hats or hockey helmets, jungle boots, and old style web gear, carrying M14&#039;s and 45 auto pistols. But the brass want our guys to look like movie storm troopers or movie special forces (spec ops guys dont wear the majority of issued gear in real life, light weight, comfort,and speed is the rule). Some of the new stuff is OK but most is unpractical due to weight and comfort. Luckily we dictated what we wore when deployed as well as what weapons we utilized.the majority of the time it was old school gear because it still works best. especialy in hot enviroments with rough terrain.Brass is going to pick a new uniform, I just hope more of our guys will attempt to dictate what it might be by voicing thier opinions in various military publication blogs. The multi cam is a good start, all U.S. branches need to be the same to avoid confusion in the field though, communications are not dependable enough to call and ask who just crossed your line of fire, and GPS fails too often to not stray from your AO into someone elses, been done too many times recently.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee there is a lot going on with this subject. Plain and simple fact is the brass is going to pick what they want despite what we say here, always have. The brass is all about developing the latest duplicates from star wars or star trek. Soon I am expecting them to to restart the exo suit concept again, as soon as they watch G.I.Joe. You cant have one uniform/ weapon/ and gear combo that will work in ervery enviroment. If the brass would ask the troops what they want we would still be wearing slant pocket greens,boonie hats or hockey helmets, jungle boots, and old style web gear, carrying M14’s and 45 auto pistols. But the brass want our guys to look like movie storm troopers or movie special forces (spec ops guys dont wear the majority of issued gear in real life, light weight, comfort,and speed is the rule). Some of the new stuff is OK but most is unpractical due to weight and comfort. Luckily we dictated what we wore when deployed as well as what weapons we utilized.the majority of the time it was old school gear because it still works best. especialy in hot enviroments with rough terrain.Brass is going to pick a new uniform, I just hope more of our guys will attempt to dictate what it might be by voicing thier opinions in various military publication blogs. The multi cam is a good start, all U.S. branches need to be the same to avoid confusion in the field though, communications are not dependable enough to call and ask who just crossed your line of fire, and GPS fails too often to not stray from your AO into someone elses, been done too many times recently.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scotty</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10968</link> <dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:46:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10968</guid> <description>Jerry I disagree with you. The Dress uniforms worn by the our military are used for formal occasions such as basic training graduations and events that require the service member to &quot;dress up&quot;. The reason that they have the ranks are so people can identify their leaders in the field. that is the sole reason for having ranks on the uniforms.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry I disagree with you. The Dress uniforms worn by the our military are used for formal occasions such as basic training graduations and events that require the service member to “dress up”.<br /> The reason that they have the ranks are so people can identify their leaders in the field. that is the sole reason for having ranks on the uniforms.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FoRCeBwIThU</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10962</link> <dc:creator>FoRCeBwIThU</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10962</guid> <description>You need to check your math. 40,000 x $88 = $3,520,000 not $35.2 mil. Or is it that you used the &quot;Math Made Easy by Murtha&quot; method, then I can understand the discrepancy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to check your math.<br /> 40,000 x $88 = $3,520,000 not $35.2 mil.<br /> Or is it that you used the “Math Made Easy by Murtha” method, then I can understand the discrepancy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jerry Webb</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10942</link> <dc:creator>Jerry Webb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:02:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10942</guid> <description>Save money? - Do away with the dress uniforms, all combos. The military exists to prevent and fight wars, we do not need to look like a businessman or woman to meet our mission, We try too hard to let the general population forget our primary mission by trying to dress like them. Patterns? They are called uniforms for a reason, we focus on ranks (the AF and their sleeve rank is an expensive joke) and unit designations. They need to be left on our luggage, not sewn on a combat uniform. No one pattern is going  to work in all terrains, but in most combat situations outside stealth maneuvers, life gets too involved to be worried about blending in. Caliber? I would rather shoot a single round with effect than kill a jungle with rounds downrange. Our weapons and training should focus on effectiveness not density, one of the few heritage items we should be focused on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save money? — Do away with the dress uniforms, all combos. The military exists to prevent and fight wars, we do not need to look like a businessman or woman to meet our mission, We try too hard to let the general population forget our primary mission by trying to dress like them.<br /> Patterns? They are called uniforms for a reason, we focus on ranks (the AF and their sleeve rank is an expensive joke) and unit designations. They need to be left on our luggage, not sewn on a combat uniform. No one pattern is going  to work in all terrains, but in most combat situations outside stealth maneuvers, life gets too involved to be worried about blending in.<br /> Caliber? I would rather shoot a single round with effect than kill a jungle with rounds downrange. Our weapons and training should focus on effectiveness not density, one of the few heritage items we should be focused on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Asa Chandler</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10940</link> <dc:creator>Asa Chandler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10940</guid> <description>If we stop all the benefits to illegal aliens there would be more than enough money to outfit our servicemen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we stop all the benefits to illegal aliens there would be more than enough money to outfit our servicemen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jerry</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10932</link> <dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10932</guid> <description>They would&#039;ve had to kick me out of the Army, before i would wear that digital crap our troops have to wear. There was nothing wrong with the woodland pattern. All they did when i went during the first year of iraqi freedom, 04, they just changed the color to desert, which was just fine. The digital pattern was the worst idea they came up with in awhile.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would’ve had to kick me out of the Army, before i would wear that digital crap our troops have to wear. There was nothing wrong with the woodland pattern. All they did when i went during the first year of iraqi freedom, 04, they just changed the color to desert, which was just fine. The digital pattern was the worst idea they came up with in awhile.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MAJ "Pain"</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10928</link> <dc:creator>MAJ "Pain"</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10928</guid> <description>Murtha has no credibility whatsoever. He&#039;s a political hack, whore and glory hound, nothing more. that being said, the ACU COULD use some help!OK, here goes. First, LOOSE the velcro! Good heavens, whoever thought of that has never been out in the woods.Second, there is no such thing as a cammo pattern that will work everywhere. It&#039;s just not gonna happen! The pattern should change with the environment. Yeah, I know I&#039;m talking money here, but with all due respect, I&#039;d like to keep my butt in one piece! Gees, even deer and duck hunters have better sense!As for ammo, give me a .45 pistol and a .30 rifle any time! It actually STOPS the SOB!Finally, the uniform should fit the job. Since I&#039;m in a Guard environment, I&#039;ve seen exactly what the &quot;Blue Suiter&quot; LTC has referred to. What IS up with wearing a flight suit when you never get in an aircraft?? Or for that matter, wearing cammo when you&#039;re not getting shot at!Just a thought on that one. Gotta defend a &quot;Blue Suiter&quot; sometimes! :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha has no credibility whatsoever. He’s a political hack, whore and glory hound, nothing more. that being said, the ACU COULD use some help!</p><p>OK, here goes. First, LOOSE the velcro! Good heavens, whoever thought of that has never been out in the woods.</p><p>Second, there is no such thing as a cammo pattern that will work everywhere. It’s just not gonna happen! The pattern should change with the environment. Yeah, I know I’m talking money here, but with all due respect, I’d like to keep my butt in one piece! Gees, even deer and duck hunters have better sense!</p><p>As for ammo, give me a .45 pistol and a .30 rifle any time! It actually STOPS the SOB!</p><p>Finally, the uniform should fit the job. Since I’m in a Guard environment, I’ve seen exactly what the “Blue Suiter” LTC has referred to. What IS up with wearing a flight suit when you never get in an aircraft?? Or for that matter, wearing cammo when you’re not getting shot at!</p><p>Just a thought on that one. Gotta defend a “Blue Suiter” sometimes! :-)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mathew</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10913</link> <dc:creator>mathew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10913</guid> <description>Whether the ACU is an effective camo is irrelevant to Murtha. I doubt he is really concerned. His problem is it isn&#039;t made in his district or by a company that contributes to his campaigns. With the recent string of corruption accusations surrounding companies linked to Murtha, he has slightly less credibility with me than Bernie Madoff.I personally hate the ACU, I have be in an environment that it works well in. Well, except that funky floral pattern couch I was sitting on a few months back. That being said, Murtha is a political hack whose main purpose is to enrich his cronies and political donors.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the ACU is an effective camo is irrelevant to Murtha. I doubt he is really concerned. His problem is it isn’t made in his district or by a company that contributes to his campaigns. With the recent string of corruption accusations surrounding companies linked to Murtha, he has slightly less credibility with me than Bernie Madoff.</p><p>I personally hate the ACU, I have be in an environment that it works well in. Well, except that funky floral pattern couch I was sitting on a few months back. That being said, Murtha is a political hack whose main purpose is to enrich his cronies and political donors.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Uhrah</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10890</link> <dc:creator>Uhrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:52:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10890</guid> <description>Please stop the retired AF LtCol from posting anymore drivel. This is not a forum for paper pushers. If you have no idea why something is the way it is ....shaddup. Some examples:&quot;Hopefully we will not waste money changing from 5.56 mm ammunition back to 7.62 mm ammunition – change for change’s sake.&quot; It&#039;s because the 5.56 doesn&#039;t have the stopping power. If you were ever in combat you&#039;d know. &quot;OK so the Special Forces got their green berets (certainly one of the least practical hats ever invented)&quot; Berets are French and look best on a poodle. No self respecting fighting man would be caught dead in one. As for functionality, they have no visor, period.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stop the retired AF LtCol from posting anymore drivel. This is not a forum for paper pushers. If you have no idea why something is the way it is .…shaddup.<br /> Some examples:</p><p>“Hopefully we will not waste money changing from 5.56 mm ammunition back to 7.62 mm ammunition – change for change’s sake.“<br /> It’s because the 5.56 doesn’t have the stopping power. If you were ever in combat you’d know.</p><p>“OK so the Special Forces got their green berets (certainly one of the least practical hats ever invented)“<br /> Berets are French and look best on a poodle. No self respecting fighting man would be caught dead in one. As for functionality, they have no visor, period.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patroitic Bystander "Buff"</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10889</link> <dc:creator>Patroitic Bystander "Buff"</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:06:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10889</guid> <description>Since when is Jack Murtha a friend of the armed services...  was he not a critic of the prior administration, articulating near treasonous accusations against our fighting men of war crimes to curry press coverage?  Another commentator mentions caps vs berets &amp; helmets.  De ja vois the fashion statement.  Looking further back, perhaps our nemises of WW2 got it right at that time, we&#039;ve seemed to have adapted the stalhelm to kevlar and their fleck pattern was effective world wide in every environment at that time.  Nothing but the best for our favorite sons and nephews, they ought to be provided with whatever they want.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is Jack Murtha a friend of the armed services…  was he not a critic of the prior administration, articulating near treasonous accusations against our fighting men of war crimes to curry press coverage?  Another commentator mentions caps vs berets &amp; helmets.  De ja vois the fashion statement.  Looking further back, perhaps our nemises of WW2 got it right at that time, we’ve seemed to have adapted the stalhelm to kevlar and their fleck pattern was effective world wide in every environment at that time.  Nothing but the best for our favorite sons and nephews, they ought to be provided with whatever they want.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 19DeltaCavScout</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10860</link> <dc:creator>19DeltaCavScout</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:48:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10860</guid> <description>Wally is right, the ACU is shit. They dont blend in with anything except a gravel pile, and since they are made by prisoners they fall apart. The stitching is very thin and weak, the velcro wears out fast, and the crotch rips out often. Oh and p.s. only a chAir Force colonel would want to retain the 5.56 instead of a 30 cal. rifle. I bet he likes the 9mm too lol. Damn POGS.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wally is right, the ACU is shit. They dont blend in with anything except a gravel pile, and since they are made by prisoners they fall apart. The stitching is very thin and weak, the velcro wears out fast, and the crotch rips out often. Oh and p.s. only a chAir Force colonel would want to retain the 5.56 instead of a 30 cal. rifle. I bet he likes the 9mm too lol. Damn POGS.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LCpl Appel</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10856</link> <dc:creator>LCpl Appel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:30:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10856</guid> <description>&quot;Also, we don’t have a ton of cash lying around, and some in the Army argue that the service has spent billions fielding the new uniforms and other gear in the pattern. Unless it sticks out like a sore thumb, why spend millions more to inject another version? &quot;Sure, the Army is looking at an incredible cash shortfall in the immediate future, however the simple and obvious fact is that for the missions actual combat units are engaged in, their ACU equipment is simply not up to the task.  The entire ACU program needed to have been scrapped years ago - the nonsense about &#039;unpopular&#039; being the right choice is utterly unfounded.  For all the tripe emerging from Natick about how they diligently studied the colors in nature, why is the ACU pattern lacking hues that are actually found IN nature?A lot of crowing will be made about how logistically challenging such a switch may be, but right now, all the ACU and ABU patterns serve to do is to tip off the Afghans which convoys to hit and which ones to leave alone (MARPAT).I forsee in the very near future (military-industrially speaking) a very distinct divergence between garrison and field uniforms for all branches.  The evolution of body armor technologies with the realities of humping 30+ pounds of PPE gear alone, along with integration of Thermal/NBC/IR threat countering is going to dictate that field uniforms become too specialized for any practical garrison use. With the introduction of FROG and comparable uniforms, this is already beginning to take place.A lot of resistance is going to come from the USAF and other rear commands, the perennial &#039;I want to look like a frontline warrior from behind a desk&#039; set that will inevitably have to wear simply different uniforms because they eat, sleep, live, and work thousands of miles from the actual boots on the ground because of the practicalities of garrison life.  Correct and novel concepts are always validated by overcoming entrenched resistance.I worry that the precedent of the big army wanting to look cool will continue to be fed, but in this instance, the basic fact is that they&#039;ve been sent into harms way in an unsat uniform, and that despite the relatively high cost in the near future, a switch from ACU is a necessity.  Us Jarheads make fun of that a lot, but it really is sad that our brothers in arms have been failed so utterly by their leadership.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Also, we don’t have a ton of cash lying around, and some in the Army argue that the service has spent billions fielding the new uniforms and other gear in the pattern. Unless it sticks out like a sore thumb, why spend millions more to inject another version? ”</p><p>Sure, the Army is looking at an incredible cash shortfall in the immediate future, however the simple and obvious fact is that for the missions actual combat units are engaged in, their ACU equipment is simply not up to the task.  The entire ACU program needed to have been scrapped years ago — the nonsense about ‘unpopular’ being the right choice is utterly unfounded.  For all the tripe emerging from Natick about how they diligently studied the colors in nature, why is the ACU pattern lacking hues that are actually found IN nature?</p><p>A lot of crowing will be made about how logistically challenging such a switch may be, but right now, all the ACU and ABU patterns serve to do is to tip off the Afghans which convoys to hit and which ones to leave alone (MARPAT).</p><p>I forsee in the very near future (military-industrially speaking) a very distinct divergence between garrison and field uniforms for all branches.  The evolution of body armor technologies with the realities of humping 30+ pounds of PPE gear alone, along with integration of Thermal/NBC/IR threat countering is going to dictate that field uniforms become too specialized for any practical garrison use.<br /> With the introduction of FROG and comparable uniforms, this is already beginning to take place.</p><p>A lot of resistance is going to come from the USAF and other rear commands, the perennial ‘I want to look like a frontline warrior from behind a desk’ set that will inevitably have to wear simply different uniforms because they eat, sleep, live, and work thousands of miles from the actual boots on the ground because of the practicalities of garrison life.  Correct and novel concepts are always validated by overcoming entrenched resistance.</p><p>I worry that the precedent of the big army wanting to look cool will continue to be fed, but in this instance, the basic fact is that they’ve been sent into harms way in an unsat uniform, and that despite the relatively high cost in the near future, a switch from ACU is a necessity.  Us Jarheads make fun of that a lot, but it really is sad that our brothers in arms have been failed so utterly by their leadership.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J.W. Wright</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10851</link> <dc:creator>J.W. Wright</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10851</guid> <description>Jack Murtha says nothing that I want to hear.  Not one thing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Murtha says nothing that I want to hear.  Not one thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JDS</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10769</link> <dc:creator>JDS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:49:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10769</guid> <description>Exactly....what&#039;s the name of the company in Murtha&#039;s district that makes cammy uniforms? There isn&#039;t one? No problem, Murtha will &quot;earmark&quot; sufficient funds for a factory to be built first, then manufacture the uniforms. Jack Murtha, &quot;retired colonel USMCR&quot;, is as crooked as a dog&#039;s hind leg and if there&#039;s a way for him to direct funding to his district for any DOD project, he&#039;ll do it. The DOD should be very wary of getting &#039;ol Jack-O involved in its business; ultimately it will go wrong for the taxpayers and may not go right for the servicemen. Mrtha&#039;s track record is long and sordid.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.…what’s the name of the company in Murtha’s district that makes cammy uniforms? There isn’t one? No problem, Murtha will “earmark” sufficient funds for a factory to be built first, then manufacture the uniforms. Jack Murtha, “retired colonel USMCR”, is as crooked as a dog’s hind leg and if there’s a way for him to direct funding to his district for any DOD project, he’ll do it. The DOD should be very wary of getting ‘ol Jack-O involved in its business; ultimately it will go wrong for the taxpayers and may not go right for the servicemen. Mrtha’s track record is long and sordid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rebecca</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/10/murtha-questions-army-camo/#comment-10765</link> <dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:21:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=7770#comment-10765</guid> <description>How about just fixing the velcro issue, for starters!  It sticks to everything and wears out and just looks like trash.  Honestly, how often do you have to change your unit patch, name and rank?!?  The Marines got their design right... take notes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just fixing the velcro issue, for starters!  It sticks to everything and wears out and just looks like trash.  Honestly, how often do you have to change your unit patch, name and rank?!?  The Marines got their design right… take notes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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