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> <channel><title>Comments on: Obama Admin Crushes F-22 Supporters</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:27:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: GARRETT</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-16202</link> <dc:creator>GARRETT </dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:46:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-16202</guid> <description>WE AS A PEOPLE WASTE TOO MUCH MONEY ON FEDERAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT WERE SPOCE TO GIVE A CHANCE FOR SUCCESS &quot;WE NEED TIME TO WAIT AND SEE&quot; IS FOOLISH AND LEAST PRIORTY IN AMERICA WHY NOT TAKE THAT 7 BILLLION DOLLARS TO SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WE AS A PEOPLE WASTE TOO MUCH MONEY ON FEDERAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT WERE SPOCE TO GIVE A CHANCE FOR SUCCESS “WE NEED TIME TO WAIT AND SEE” IS FOOLISH AND LEAST PRIORTY IN AMERICA WHY NOT TAKE THAT 7 BILLLION DOLLARS TO SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dsueii</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-12205</link> <dc:creator>dsueii</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-12205</guid> <description>You&#039;re all wasting your time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re all wasting your time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Olaf Brescia</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11959</link> <dc:creator>Olaf Brescia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:40:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11959</guid> <description>I think you will find compelling reasons for F-22 production halt at a fleet size of ~180 aircraft.see link
http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/07/airborne-infrared-and-supersonic.htmlsee link
http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/06/supersonic-radio-spectrum-airfoils.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you will find compelling reasons for F-22 production halt at a fleet size of ~180 aircraft.</p><p>see link<br
/> <a
href="http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/07/airborne-infrared-and-supersonic.html" rel="nofollow">http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/07/airborne-infrared-and-supersonic.html</a></p><p>see link<br
/> <a
href="http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/06/supersonic-radio-spectrum-airfoils.html" rel="nofollow">http://theboresight.blogspot.com/2009/06/supersonic-radio-spectrum-airfoils.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: War Pony</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11847</link> <dc:creator>War Pony</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:07:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11847</guid> <description>F-22 projects force, and provides jobs while the F-35 (not a dogfighter) R &amp; D database &quot;flew&quot; into commie hands.  The RAH-66 was on recon in &#039;96 - saw it.  When the whip comes down, we will miss the progress made by continuing production - STAY IN THE GAME - like GW (endurance)~!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F-22 projects force, and provides jobs while the F-35 (not a dogfighter) R &amp; D database “flew” into commie hands.  The RAH-66 was on recon in ’96 — saw it.  When the whip comes down, we will miss the progress made by continuing production — STAY IN THE GAME — like GW (endurance)~!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sr</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11658</link> <dc:creator>sr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:54:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11658</guid> <description>My Republican friend in Georgia says the F-22s were axed because Georgia voted Red.  I think it&#039;s ridiculous bu wanted to throw it out there to see what response I get.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Republican friend in Georgia says the F-22s were axed because Georgia voted Red.  I think it’s ridiculous bu wanted to throw it out there to see what response I get.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J.B. Fett</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11639</link> <dc:creator>J.B. Fett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11639</guid> <description>JDS,Any particular reason why you consider the F-22 to be a pork barrell project?  This is the next-generation fighter that can meet our air-superiority needs for years to come.  It may not be practical in the Iraq or Afghansistan operational theatres, but consider the future when we may be in conflict with North Korea, Iran, or even China.  Would you rather have an advanced tactical fighter like the F-22 on hand or be scrambling to deploy the world&#039;s most expensive, STOVL paper weight?  As I said in my previous post, the F-35 is suppose to COMPLEMENT the F-22, not replace it.  187 planes is not enough to effectively fight a war against an adversary that possesses sophisticated surface-to-air capabilities.  The increased costs for more F-22s can be offset by scrapping some older, obsolete weapon platforms.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDS,</p><p>Any particular reason why you consider the F-22 to be a pork barrell project?  This is the next-generation fighter that can meet our air-superiority needs for years to come.  It may not be practical in the Iraq or Afghansistan operational theatres, but consider the future when we may be in conflict with North Korea, Iran, or even China.  Would you rather have an advanced tactical fighter like the F-22 on hand or be scrambling to deploy the world’s most expensive, STOVL paper weight?  As I said in my previous post, the F-35 is suppose to COMPLEMENT the F-22, not replace it.  187 planes is not enough to effectively fight a war against an adversary that possesses sophisticated surface-to-air capabilities.  The increased costs for more F-22s can be offset by scrapping some older, obsolete weapon platforms.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: uhc</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11535</link> <dc:creator>uhc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:56:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11535</guid> <description>If you read the military rags (as I have been doing for the last three years) on a regular basis, you should know the F-22 costs $355 million dollars a pop. The F-35 (currently) costs $239 million dollars a pop. Both of those numbers are from the Air Force Times - look them up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the military rags (as I have been doing for the last three years) on a regular basis, you should know the F-22 costs $355 million dollars a pop. The F-35 (currently) costs $239 million dollars a pop. Both of those numbers are from the Air Force Times — look them up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JAMES OBOADE</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-3/#comment-11506</link> <dc:creator>JAMES OBOADE</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11506</guid> <description>i think president OBAMA should rather face the repair work than continueing in danmaging.the work OBAMA to talk to with his good manner speach and not to take the that rough steps war and damage.i believe OBAMA is the right leader the world could have in this time so let say no for the f22 mission and let face total peace the world over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think president OBAMA should rather face the repair work than continueing in danmaging.the work OBAMA to talk to with his good manner speach and not to take the that rough steps war and damage.i believe OBAMA is the right leader the world could have in this time so let say no for the f22 mission and let face total peace the world over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: james oboade</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11504</link> <dc:creator>james oboade</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11504</guid> <description>i think this is time for repairs rather than destroying.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this is time for repairs rather than destroying.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill Burress</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11444</link> <dc:creator>Bill Burress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:20:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11444</guid> <description>This is a very short sighted decision.  The F15 fleet is ageing badly.  Not only is the F22 the only replacement, other nations have in the field or on drawing boards fighter that are better and more advanced than the F15.  What ever happened to providing out troops with the best availble equipment!  We should take a page out out own history and lession we should already know, at the beginning of WWII we were out classed in fighter aircraft by both Germany and Japan.  Is this what we are going to return to, being outclassed by other nations we may one day have an issue with, or one of there customers?  Have our so called leaders forgotten we are in a resession and you are putting more people out of work.  If you need more money, stop the failed bailouts program.  Will the our future history books list Obama, Biden &amp; Gates as the ones who destroyed America through their short sighted decisions!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very short sighted decision.  The F15 fleet is ageing badly.  Not only is the F22 the only replacement, other nations have in the field or on drawing boards fighter that are better and more advanced than the F15.  What ever happened to providing out troops with the best availble equipment!  We should take a page out out own history and lession we should already know, at the beginning of WWII we were out classed in fighter aircraft by both Germany and Japan.  Is this what we are going to return to, being outclassed by other nations we may one day have an issue with, or one of there customers?  Have our so called leaders forgotten we are in a resession and you are putting more people out of work.  If you need more money, stop the failed bailouts program.  Will the our future history books list Obama, Biden &amp; Gates as the ones who destroyed America through their short sighted decisions!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WISMILGUY</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11443</link> <dc:creator>WISMILGUY</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11443</guid> <description>When the Taliban and Al Quida get fighters, maybe we will have to rethink our fighter policy.  But right now, no way.  Good call, Secretary Gates.  Let&#039;s spend our precious tax dollars on today&#039;s issues.Maybe we should have a tax check-off for certain defense spending programs.  Then people can  put their money where there mouth is.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Taliban and Al Quida get fighters, maybe we will have to rethink our fighter policy.  But right now, no way.  Good call, Secretary Gates.  Let’s spend our precious tax dollars on today’s issues.</p><p>Maybe we should have a tax check-off for certain defense spending programs.  Then people can  put their money where there mouth is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: L Puig</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11421</link> <dc:creator>L Puig</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:11:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11421</guid> <description>...actually the narrow minded ones are the ones saying that &quot;we do not need the F-22...&quot; well yes today in Afghanistan! ...BUT can anyone say for sure if 5 years from now, or 10 or even in 15 years from now we may not be in a shooting war with lets say China over Taiwan, or Russia over some territory they claim as theirs just like their &quot;intervention&quot; in Georgia, and then as we face them we wish we have had the vision to have continue building little by little the most sophisticated fighter in the sky, the F-22 instead of having killed it as we have just done? And once in that fight we surely will not be able to crap F-22 out of our behinds then, by that time it will be too late. As for the ones saying the F-35 is a good replacement, I say you are the same bunch that said the F-18 could fully replace the F-14...boloney! History repeats itself...the Pollack’s fighting German tanks with cavalry, the US not ready for WW2 because &quot;Hitler was Europe’s problem&quot; etc etc etc... the narrow minded ones are the ones ONLY seeing today’s problems and not being ready for the POSSIBILITIES of the next 20 years... like my first Navy Chief used to say: &quot;The Stupid Shall Be Punished...&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…actually the narrow minded ones are the ones saying that “we do not need the F-22…” well yes today in Afghanistan! …BUT can anyone say for sure if 5 years from now, or 10 or even in 15 years from now we may not be in a shooting war with lets say China over Taiwan, or Russia over some territory they claim as theirs just like their “intervention” in Georgia, and then as we face them we wish we have had the vision to have continue building little by little the most sophisticated fighter in the sky, the F-22 instead of having killed it as we have just done? And once in that fight we surely will not be able to crap F-22 out of our behinds then, by that time it will be too late. As for the ones saying the F-35 is a good replacement, I say you are the same bunch that said the F-18 could fully replace the F-14…boloney! History repeats itself…the Pollack’s fighting German tanks with cavalry, the US not ready for WW2 because “Hitler was Europe’s problem” etc etc etc… the narrow minded ones are the ones ONLY seeing today’s problems and not being ready for the POSSIBILITIES of the next 20 years… like my first Navy Chief used to say: “The Stupid Shall Be Punished…”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott McMahan Bowman</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11412</link> <dc:creator>Scott McMahan Bowman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11412</guid> <description>Did everyone forget that the F-35 r&amp;d was hacked by the commies?  Lockheed admitted the info drain went for hours.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did everyone forget that the F-35 r&amp;d was hacked by the commies?  Lockheed admitted the info drain went for hours.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weaponhead</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11369</link> <dc:creator>Weaponhead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11369</guid> <description>Oooops.Almost forgot.  Let me be the first to coin the phrase   F-35-GATE !!!!!!!!or F-35-GATES?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooops.</p><p>Almost forgot.  Let me be the first to coin the phrase   F-35-GATE !!!!!!!!</p><p>or F-35-GATES?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weaponhead</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11358</link> <dc:creator>Weaponhead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:36:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11358</guid> <description>Congressional Quarterly has just come out with the news we all knew was going to come, the F-35 is 2 years behind schedule.http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&amp;docID=news-000003175295&amp;mp=Most_Viewed#These facts were hidden from Congrees as the Senate was voting to terminate the F-22 production line and while ensuring that F/A-18 did  not get a multi-year production contract.   Based on how these efforts where shoved down Congress&#039; throat by Gates and Obama, there can be no doubt that there was a cover-up.  My guess is that that is also why DoD is going to try to withhold the Selected Acquisition Reports on Nunn-McCurdy breaches.People should be going to jail over this and the American public should demand a full investigation!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congressional Quarterly has just come out with the news we all knew was going to come, the F-35 is 2 years behind schedule.</p><p><a
href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&amp;docID=news-000003175295&amp;mp=Most_Viewed#" rel="nofollow">http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&amp;docID=news-000003175295&amp;mp=Most_Viewed#</a></p><p> These facts were hidden from Congrees as the Senate was voting to terminate the F-22 production line and while ensuring that F/A-18 did  not get a multi-year production contract.   Based on how these efforts where shoved down Congress’ throat by Gates and Obama, there can be no doubt that there was a cover-up.  My guess is that that is also why DoD is going to try to withhold the Selected Acquisition Reports on Nunn-McCurdy breaches.</p><p>People should be going to jail over this and the American public should demand a full investigation!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JDS</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11357</link> <dc:creator>JDS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:31:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11357</guid> <description>Pitiful arguments for continuing the F22, all of them. Secretary Gates made the right decision to kill this &quot;pork barrel project&quot;.
The military is FOREVER focused on fighting the last war...the F22 puts an exclamation point on it.This acquisition has been treated as a &quot;pet rock&quot; by 435 or so self-interested politicians who have only themselves as their primary interest.Park it and move on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitiful arguments for continuing the F22, all of them. Secretary Gates made the right decision to kill this “pork barrel project”.<br
/> The military is FOREVER focused on fighting the last war…the F22 puts an exclamation point on it.</p><p>This acquisition has been treated as a “pet rock” by 435 or so self-interested politicians who have only themselves as their primary interest.</p><p>Park it and move on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tony Conner</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11347</link> <dc:creator>Tony Conner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:42:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11347</guid> <description>I think the F-22A will have logistics difficulty in about 10 years, no parts!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the F-22A will have logistics difficulty in about 10 years, no parts!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ericson</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11346</link> <dc:creator>Ericson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:55:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11346</guid> <description>This is also a very good day for the ChiComs: less for them to worry about, not only from us but from the Japanese (this pretty much kills export of F-22). And it is a big step in confirming the long-term decline of US defenses that the Obama budget/program represents. Even if much/most of his domestic program doesn’t make it, he’s begun locking in yet another decade of defense neglect.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is also a very good day for the ChiComs: less for them to worry about, not only from us but from the Japanese (this pretty much kills export of F-22). And it is a big step in confirming the long-term decline of US defenses that the Obama budget/program represents. Even if much/most of his domestic program doesn’t make it, he’s begun locking in yet another decade of defense neglect.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DensityDuck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11333</link> <dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:59:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11333</guid> <description>War Pony, I think &quot;the CIA had Comanches&quot; might be the funniest thing I&#039;ve heard all day.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War Pony, I think “the CIA had Comanches” might be the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: War Pony</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/21/convincing-senate-defeat-for-f-22/comment-page-2/#comment-11328</link> <dc:creator>War Pony</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8095#comment-11328</guid> <description>Rondo: they did the same with the Comanche helo - almost 10 yrs in alleged r&amp;d (cia had em) - plan cancelled 2005</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rondo: they did the same with the Comanche helo — almost 10 yrs in alleged r&amp;d (cia had em) — plan cancelled 2005</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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