<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Senate Votes to Whack F-136</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:41:49 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: roland</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-12782</link> <dc:creator>roland</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:44:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-12782</guid> <description>This are state of the art technology. Russia and China has this technology already. It would be bad for our defenses if we dont have this F-22 and F-35.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This are state of the art technology. Russia and China has this technology already. It would be bad for our defenses if we dont have this F-22 and F-35.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Trophy</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11529</link> <dc:creator>Trophy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:21:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11529</guid> <description>Like conventional radar warning receivers, the R-27P&#039;s seeker head won&#039;t be able to detect AESA signatures thus not homing in on the source. It will require more than just a software upgrade, but hardware as well so at the moment it&#039;s not much of a threat to AESA-equipped fighters.Though, AESA-equipped fighters would still be able to jam and then fry the guidance systems onboard the missiles, rendering them harmless. The aircraft would only have to worry if the missile was fired in their blind spot from too close of a distance for them to react, which proper tactics would alleviate. For example in Combat Air Patrol missions with two fighters, they&#039;d be facing in opposite directions to cover each other&#039;s six o&#039;clock positions. Datalinking allows fighters to share information about the battlespace, so as long as there are eyes facing in each direction, all datalinked parties will have a virtual 360-degree field of view. AWACS also possess datalinking capability, with an AESA upgrade in the near future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like conventional radar warning receivers, the R-27P’s seeker head won’t be able to detect AESA signatures thus not homing in on the source. It will require more than just a software upgrade, but hardware as well so at the moment it’s not much of a threat to AESA-equipped fighters.</p><p>Though, AESA-equipped fighters would still be able to jam and then fry the guidance systems onboard the missiles, rendering them harmless. The aircraft would only have to worry if the missile was fired in their blind spot from too close of a distance for them to react, which proper tactics would alleviate. For example in Combat Air Patrol missions with two fighters, they’d be facing in opposite directions to cover each other’s six o’clock positions. Datalinking allows fighters to share information about the battlespace, so as long as there are eyes facing in each direction, all datalinked parties will have a virtual 360-degree field of view. AWACS also possess datalinking capability, with an AESA upgrade in the near future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jack Mehoff</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11514</link> <dc:creator>Jack Mehoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:14:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11514</guid> <description>So what happens when an AESA equipped fighter runs up against someone with an ARM(R27P)Alamo?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what happens when an AESA equipped fighter runs up against someone with an ARM(R27P)Alamo?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Trophy</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11513</link> <dc:creator>Trophy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11513</guid> <description>A few things about the Su-37:1) It&#039;s not in production.2) The export version would have a primitive avionics package compared to the Russian version, especially for &quot;two-bit&quot; dictators from Venezuela.3) From a kinematic standpoint, it wouldn&#039;t be a match against even an F-15 with the (V)2 AESA radar, let alone the (V)3 AESA radar that will be upgraded on majority of the remaining F-15 fleet. With this radar the Su-37 wouldn&#039;t know it was being locked onto or tracked since the Radar Warning Receivers on the Su-37 wouldn&#039;t trip. Also, the Su-37&#039;s own radar would become useless since AESA radars have the ability to jam conventional radars. Should the Su-37 manage a missile shot (radar or IR), the AESA radar is powerful enough to focus it&#039;s beam&#039;s energy and function like a high-powered microwave... actually frying missile guidance electronics.At the moment AESA capability is in it&#039;s infancy in Russia and only a few select fighter aircraft actually have it or will have it, a capability that the US has had since 1999. Export versions would be less likely, and pricey.The F-22&#039;s APG-77 radar is a newer AESA radar compared to the first generation (V)2 radar, and has already demonstrated all the same capabilities listed above to a greater extent.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things about the Su-37:</p><p>1) It’s not in production.</p><p>2) The export version would have a primitive avionics package compared to the Russian version, especially for “two-bit” dictators from Venezuela.</p><p>3) From a kinematic standpoint, it wouldn’t be a match against even an F-15 with the (V)2 AESA radar, let alone the (V)3 AESA radar that will be upgraded on majority of the remaining F-15 fleet. With this radar the Su-37 wouldn’t know it was being locked onto or tracked since the Radar Warning Receivers on the Su-37 wouldn’t trip. Also, the Su-37’s own radar would become useless since AESA radars have the ability to jam conventional radars. Should the Su-37 manage a missile shot (radar or IR), the AESA radar is powerful enough to focus it’s beam’s energy and function like a high-powered microwave… actually frying missile guidance electronics.</p><p>At the moment AESA capability is in it’s infancy in Russia and only a few select fighter aircraft actually have it or will have it, a capability that the US has had since 1999. Export versions would be less likely, and pricey.</p><p>The F-22’s APG-77 radar is a newer AESA radar compared to the first generation (V)2 radar, and has already demonstrated all the same capabilities listed above to a greater extent.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cvn</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11509</link> <dc:creator>cvn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:26:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11509</guid> <description>Chiefy houston:ywan... I think that age question is best directed to your man-child president who gave $800 million to the Palestinian Authority.Keep in mind, we could have had another eight F-22s for that price. Which, even if you think the F-22 is useless, it can&#039;t possibly be as useless as giving nearly a billion dollars to a corrupt and incompetent Palestinian Authority.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiefy houston:</p><p>ywan… I think that age question is best directed to your man-child president who gave<br /> $800 million to the Palestinian Authority.</p><p>Keep in mind, we could have had another eight F-22s for that price. Which, even if you think the F-22 is useless, it can’t possibly be as useless as giving nearly a billion dollars to a corrupt and incompetent Palestinian Authority.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rick</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11507</link> <dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:18:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11507</guid> <description>Since there are exactly two SU-37&#039;s in the entire world. They are NOT in production anywhere. So I can&#039;t say that I see anyone having to worry about squadrons of the things in anyone&#039;s hands.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there are exactly two SU-37’s in the entire world. They are NOT in production anywhere. So I can’t say that I see anyone having to worry about squadrons of the things in anyone’s hands.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BuddhalovesPaine</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11502</link> <dc:creator>BuddhalovesPaine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:10:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11502</guid> <description>1. Saudia Arabia 2. Kuwait 3. Egypt 4. Until very recently Pakistan Another good question is how many countries had democracy until the US helped take it away? The US has never cared whether or not a foreign country was dictatorship or not as long as they did what the US wanted. Then take the case of Iraq.  Can a country be considered a democracy just because it has an election, leaving aside the question of whether or not it is a disputed election, disputed not in the sense of the results but disputed in the sense that some factions believed the rules were biased against them from the beginning as in the case of Gerrymeandering.  Also an election done the proper Continental way with proportional representation will produce much different result than winner take all districts. Furthermore the American government also does things that the American people do not know about until many years later.  How many things do they do that never comes to the light of day? For example in January of 2007 Germany issued arrest warrants for a pack of CIA agents operating in Germany.  The official reason was for the kidnapping of a German citizen.  Shit Germany is supposed to be our ally.  If we had evidence against a German citizen why could we have not asked the BKA (German FBI) to pick him up.  I will tell you why.  Because we were to embarrassed to ask the BKA because the person we kidnapped came upon some information through a friend that the CIA had a cell operating in Leipzig Germany who had the mission of altering the election results of the German Federal elections that would have occurred in Germany after the US had launched an attack on Iran which would have split the ruling coalition in Germany causing new elections and a sharp leftward  in the Bundestag (Parliment) which was a side effect that the US MIC was not willing to pay.  That poor German citizen had to be frightened to death to make sure that he would never utter a word about what he had figured out.Furthermore although it is never publicly questioned in the US that the US is a democracy it is questioned by many in Europe, including many Ex-Pats.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Saudia Arabia<br /> 2. Kuwait<br /> 3. Egypt<br /> 4. Until very recently Pakistan<br /> Another good question is how many countries had democracy until the US helped take it away?<br /> The US has never cared whether or not a foreign country was dictatorship or not as long as they did what the US wanted.<br /> Then take the case of Iraq.  Can a country be considered a democracy just because it has an election, leaving aside the question of whether or not it is a disputed election, disputed not in the sense of the results but disputed in the sense that some factions believed the rules were biased against them from the beginning as in the case of Gerrymeandering.  Also an election done the proper Continental way with proportional representation will produce much different result than winner take all districts.<br /> Furthermore the American government also does things that the American people do not know about until many years later.  How many things do they do that never comes to the light of day?<br /> For example in January of 2007 Germany issued arrest warrants for a pack of CIA agents operating in Germany.  The official reason was for the kidnapping of a German citizen.  Shit Germany is supposed to be our ally.  If we had evidence against a German citizen why could we have not asked the BKA (German FBI) to pick him up.  I will tell you why.  Because we were to embarrassed to ask the BKA because the person we kidnapped came upon some information through a friend that the CIA had a cell operating in Leipzig Germany who had the mission of altering the election results of the German Federal elections that would have occurred in Germany after the US had launched an attack on Iran which would have split the ruling coalition in Germany causing new elections and a sharp leftward  in the Bundestag (Parliment) which was a side effect that the US MIC was not willing to pay.  That poor German citizen had to be frightened to death to make sure that he would never utter a word about what he had figured out.</p><p>Furthermore although it is never publicly questioned in the US that the US is a democracy it is questioned by many in Europe, including many Ex-Pats.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SuperSean</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11500</link> <dc:creator>SuperSean</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11500</guid> <description>@ Drake1its not a matter of if they can... it is do they? Other things to consider:1. I think most 2 bits dont get top notch tech in their export versions 2. They send their sons and cousins (who most likely are not the best candidates) to be their pilots pilots</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Drake1</p><p>its not a matter of if they can… it is do they? Other things to consider:</p><p>1. I think most 2 bits dont get top notch tech in their export versions<br /> 2. They send their sons and cousins (who most likely are not the best candidates) to be their pilots pilots</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Drake1</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11496</link> <dc:creator>Drake1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:55:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11496</guid> <description>How many two bit dictator&#039;s can properly support an SU-37 airwing and keep its pilots properly trained? How many two bit dictators have the full backing of the U.S military? These two bit dictaor&#039;s ala Saddam have all this high tech eqquipment, but lack the money and experience to use it to its full potential. his goes for all conventional capability.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many two bit dictator’s can properly support an SU-37 airwing and keep its pilots properly trained? How many two bit dictators have the full backing of the U.S military? These two bit dictaor’s ala Saddam have all this high tech eqquipment, but lack the money and experience to use it to its full potential. his goes for all conventional capability.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BuddhalovesPaine</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11495</link> <dc:creator>BuddhalovesPaine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11495</guid> <description>It will be a great thing if every two bit dictator has a SU37 to use against other two bit dictators.  Besides many Americans would not recognize a two bit dictator if one came up and bit them in the ass.  This idea that we have to be worried because Venezuela has Su37s is complete childishness.  The only way the F15 would ever face a Venezuelan SU37 in combat is if the US is trying to invade some Latin American country.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be a great thing if every two bit dictator has a SU37 to use against other two bit dictators.  Besides many Americans would not recognize a two bit dictator if one came up and bit them in the ass.  This idea that we have to be worried because Venezuela has Su37s is complete childishness.  The only way the F15 would ever face a Venezuelan SU37 in combat is if the US is trying to invade some Latin American country.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John a byrd</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11461</link> <dc:creator>John a byrd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:21:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11461</guid> <description>If you think we have nothing to worry about go to this,http://blog.flightstory.net/129/video-f-22-raptor-vs-su-37-vs-su-30-vs-eurofighter-typhoon/and check out the Su37, its coming to every two bit dictator in the world</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think we have nothing to worry about go to this,<a href="http://blog.flightstory.net/129/video-f-22-raptor-vs-su-37-vs-su-30-vs-eurofighter-typhoon/and" rel="nofollow">http://blog.flightstory.net/129/video-f-22-raptor-vs-su-37-vs-su-30-vs-eurofighter-typhoon/and</a> check out the Su37, its coming to every two bit dictator in the world</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chief Houston</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11424</link> <dc:creator>Chief Houston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:48:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11424</guid> <description>CVN,How old are you? 12?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVN,</p><p>How old are you? 12?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A Friendly</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11408</link> <dc:creator>A Friendly</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:28:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11408</guid> <description>Little tidbit off topic(forgive the drift) our Aussie friends are soon to take delivery of their first F/A-18 Super Hornets with the designated name &#039;Rhino&#039; many of which will be wired for later conversion to EA-18G should the need arise.  Gotta love our friends down under.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little tidbit off topic(forgive the drift) our Aussie friends are soon to take delivery of their first F/A-18 Super Hornets with the designated name ‘Rhino’ many of which will be wired for later conversion to EA-18G should the need arise.  Gotta love our friends down under.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Drake1</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11402</link> <dc:creator>Drake1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:43:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11402</guid> <description>Bill Sweetman should also make a list of the    seven memes that dominated the arguments for the F-22. Lord knows we see both daily in every F-22 related story.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Sweetman should also make a list of the    seven memes that dominated the arguments for the F-22. Lord knows we see both daily in every F-22 related story.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cvn</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11397</link> <dc:creator>cvn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:31:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11397</guid> <description>Bill Sweetman runs down the seven memes that dominated the arguments against F-22. And then he explains why they are all based on &quot;assumptions that are, at best, unproven.&quot;Meme number 1: The F-22 hasn&#039;t been used in Afghanistan or Iraq. In itself this is a statement of the obvious. What makes it a meme is the corollary that the F-22 is militarily irrelevant. However, there are many capabilities that haven&#039;t been used in those theaters - submarines, for instance - but nobody seems to panic as we keep spending money on those.Meme number 2:  The F-22 was an airplane that the Pentagon did not want. Since when has the Pentagon been of one mind? The right number of F-22s was the subject of controversy within the Pentagon;  and the firings of the two top Air Force leaders a year ago were clearly related to that argument.Meme number 3:  The F-22 is a Cold War weapon and therefore obsolete. Again, no argument, the requirement was written in the Cold War - but the same can be said of supercarriers and submarines, the Virginia being a downsized Seawolf. The Joint Strike Fighter&#039;s basic requirement document, although it is post-Cold War, precedes the current conflict, Bosnia and the other unexpectedly messy contingencies that have followed Desert Storm. It wasn&#039;t designed to chase Terry Taliban around the Af-Pak border, any more than the F-22 was.Meme number 4: The F-22 was designed to shoot down enemy fighters, and there are few of those so we need few F-22s.  But as anyone who was around for the start of the project knows, the combination of speed, altitude and all-round stealth was aimed - absolutely and intentionally - at defeating SAMs.Meme number 5:  The F-22 is an unreliable hangar queen - the WaPo said so. So coincidentally, just before a narrow vote, all sorts of Pentagon sources decide it&#039;s their duty to leak all kinds of negative (but arguable) stuff about the F-22. It might have been that way. Barney might be a real dinosaur.Meme number 6:  The JSF will cost &quot;half as much&quot; as the F-22. It&#039;s more correct to say that the F-35A may get to that point (the B and C certainly won&#039;t), once full-rate production gets going, if from now on the program performs far better than any previous Pentagon project. Which, so far, it has not done. Even then, to do this it has to break the model under which similar aircraft, built under similar circumstances, tend to cost about the same amount in terms of dollars per pound of empty weight. Nobody has done that yet, either.Meme number 7: The F-22 takes money away from the &quot;warfighters&quot; and their real needs. Apart from being a handy emotive criticism of any weapon that you don&#039;t like that&#039;s not a container-load of body armor or a one-war-wonder MRAP, it&#039;s not correct. What the USAF has been talking about for years is - given that you&#039;re going to maintain a fighter force - what the right mix of F-22s and F-35s might be within a given budget.http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&amp;plckScript=blogScript&amp;plckElementId=blogDest&amp;plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&amp;plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:338b1664-f6f7-4795-939b-16536947dafb</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Sweetman runs down the seven memes that dominated the arguments against F-22. And then he explains why they are all based on “assumptions that are, at best, unproven.”</p><p>Meme number 1: The F-22 hasn’t been used in Afghanistan or Iraq. In itself this is a statement of the obvious. What makes it a meme is the corollary that the F-22 is militarily irrelevant. However, there are many capabilities that haven’t been used in those theaters — submarines, for instance — but nobody seems to panic as we keep spending money on those.</p><p>Meme number 2:  The F-22 was an airplane that the Pentagon did not want. Since when has the Pentagon been of one mind? The right number of F-22s was the subject of controversy within the Pentagon;  and the firings of the two top Air Force leaders a year ago were clearly related to that argument.</p><p>Meme number 3:  The F-22 is a Cold War weapon and therefore obsolete. Again, no argument, the requirement was written in the Cold War — but the same can be said of supercarriers and submarines, the Virginia being a downsized Seawolf. The Joint Strike Fighter’s basic requirement document, although it is post-Cold War, precedes the current conflict, Bosnia and the other unexpectedly messy contingencies that have followed Desert Storm. It wasn’t designed to chase Terry Taliban around the Af-Pak border, any more than the F-22 was.</p><p>Meme number 4: The F-22 was designed to shoot down enemy fighters, and there are few of those so we need few F-22s.  But as anyone who was around for the start of the project knows, the combination of speed, altitude and all-round stealth was aimed — absolutely and intentionally — at defeating SAMs.</p><p>Meme number 5:  The F-22 is an unreliable hangar queen — the WaPo said so. So coincidentally, just before a narrow vote, all sorts of Pentagon sources decide it’s their duty to leak all kinds of negative (but arguable) stuff about the F-22. It might have been that way. Barney might be a real dinosaur.</p><p>Meme number 6:  The JSF will cost “half as much” as the F-22. It’s more correct to say that the F-35A may get to that point (the B and C certainly won’t), once full-rate production gets going, if from now on the program performs far better than any previous Pentagon project. Which, so far, it has not done. Even then, to do this it has to break the model under which similar aircraft, built under similar circumstances, tend to cost about the same amount in terms of dollars per pound of empty weight. Nobody has done that yet, either.</p><p>Meme number 7: The F-22 takes money away from the “warfighters” and their real needs. Apart from being a handy emotive criticism of any weapon that you don’t like that’s not a container-load of body armor or a one-war-wonder MRAP, it’s not correct. What the USAF has been talking about for years is — given that you’re going to maintain a fighter force — what the right mix of F-22s and F-35s might be within a given budget.</p><p><a href="http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&#038;plckScript=blogScript&#038;plckElementId=blogDest&#038;plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&#038;plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:338b1664-f6f7-4795-939b-16536947dafb" rel="nofollow">http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&amp;plckScript=blogScript&amp;plckElementId=blogDest&amp;plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&amp;plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:338b1664-f6f7-4795-939b-16536947dafb</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cvn</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11396</link> <dc:creator>cvn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11396</guid> <description>Cole:Yep. barry boy..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole:</p><p>Yep. barry boy..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chief Houston</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11386</link> <dc:creator>Chief Houston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:06:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11386</guid> <description>ReconTeam,I would like to see that also!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ReconTeam,</p><p>I would like to see that also!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ReconTeam</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11381</link> <dc:creator>ReconTeam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11381</guid> <description>We could at least add a 3D thrust vectoring nozzle to the F-35A and F-35C now to partly make up for the loss of the F-22As the USAF was supposed to get.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could at least add a 3D thrust vectoring nozzle to the F-35A and F-35C now to partly make up for the loss of the F-22As the USAF was supposed to get.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Drake1</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11377</link> <dc:creator>Drake1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:20:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11377</guid> <description>Why should we think that the F-35 will be any less expensive to operate than the F-22? ----------------------------Cheaper less extensive coatings?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should we think that the F-35 will be any less expensive to operate than the F-22?<br /> —————————-</p><p>Cheaper less extensive coatings?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DensityDuck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/23/senate-votes-to-whack-f-136/#comment-11376</link> <dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:18:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8163#comment-11376</guid> <description>Cole et al:Much of the reason that there aren&#039;t any extant near-peers it that it IS so expensive to get to our level.  If our level is no longer high, then maybe it&#039;s not so hard to get there after all.  &quot;Deterrence&quot; means more than just &quot;we can blow you up&quot;.Cole:  You&#039;re putting a lot of weight on TBM threat to fixed bases.A: as I&#039;ve said, THIS STILL APPLIES TO THE F-35.  It&#039;s cheaper to buy more missiles than it is to build more airbases.B: Accurate TBM is not a trivial technology issue.  We&#039;re not talking about FROGs, here. Your &quot;they&#039;ll never have the technology&quot; argument is as applicable to TBMs as it is to high-spec fighter aircraft.  And there are a great many defenses against TBM--and wouldn&#039;t it be easier to defend fewer locations than many?  Isn&#039;t that an argument in favor of consolidation (and the F-22)?C: Maintenance costs.  Allow me to pull an argument from the V-22 discussion and point out that the F-22 has been in service for less than four years.  And I recall various glowing projections of how easy it was going to be to maintain the F-22; and I&#039;m seeing those same comments in all the Powerpoint packages about the F-35.  Why should we think that the F-35 will be any less expensive to operate than the F-22?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole et al:</p><p>Much of the reason that there aren’t any extant near-peers it that it IS so expensive to get to our level.  If our level is no longer high, then maybe it’s not so hard to get there after all.  “Deterrence” means more than just “we can blow you up”.</p><p>Cole:  You’re putting a lot of weight on TBM threat to fixed bases.</p><p>A: as I’ve said, THIS STILL APPLIES TO THE F-35.  It’s cheaper to buy more missiles than it is to build more airbases.</p><p>B: Accurate TBM is not a trivial technology issue.  We’re not talking about FROGs, here. Your “they’ll never have the technology” argument is as applicable to TBMs as it is to high-spec fighter aircraft.  And there are a great many defenses against TBM–and wouldn’t it be easier to defend fewer locations than many?  Isn’t that an argument in favor of consolidation (and the F-22)?</p><p>C: Maintenance costs.  Allow me to pull an argument from the V-22 discussion and point out that the F-22 has been in service for less than four years.  And I recall various glowing projections of how easy it was going to be to maintain the F-22; and I’m seeing those same comments in all the Powerpoint packages about the F-35.  Why should we think that the F-35 will be any less expensive to operate than the F-22?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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