Army Planning for Last War?

Army Planning for Last War?

The incoming commander of the famous 10th Mountain Division, Maj. Gen. James Terry, sat down with defense reporters to talk about the future of Army modernization. Terry, a very personable commander with a refreshingly candid approach, wouldn’t offer specific answers about what the Army’s Brigade Combat Team Modernization would look like. After all, it’s one of the biggest acquisition decisions the service will make for years and it’s not unreasonable for him to go slow. But there is a larger issue that a major general dares not address in public — are the Pentagon and Army moving in the right direction when it comes to redesigning the force? The answer we got from a respected analyst is a resounding “No!”

Terry knows a great deal about the past and future of Army modernization from his job as director of TRADOC’s Future Force Integration Directorate, known fondly as FFID. But he is also an officer in the chain of command and the Army is in the midst of deciding just what the successor to FCS will be, so he couldn’t say much during his Friday talk.

Terry did say that the Army is probably going to do more of taking Operational Needs Statements from commanders in the field and turning them into programs of record, those wonderful budgeting tools that allow the service to build a program into its regular annual funding plan. At the end of the session, I asked him if the Army was moving from a force bent on fundamental change — which the service declared was the case with the development of FCS — to a more incremental approach. Terry said he thought the service was probably headed to something much closer to a step by step approach.

Eager to get some perspective on whether the service is generally headed in the right direction since the demise of the Manned ground Vehicle program, I called one of the best outside analysts who follows the Army, Dan Goure of the Lexington Institute. Goure was adamant. The Army has, under enormous pressure from Defense Secretary Robert Gates, begun to turn into an institution planning for the last war — one of the greatest sins of which a military can be accused.

The Army’s current course “almost guarantees surprise, technical and operational surprise” in our next conflict because the service is rebuilding to cope with the wars it has most recently fought — Iraq and Afghanistan. Gates has declared repeatedly that he is acting to rebalance the US military in light of the lessons he has learned since coming to the Pentagon.

“Why would you think you are going to get yourself in the same situation in five years”” Goure asked. On top of that, Army officials have said repeatedly they are planning for uncertainty and for the long war. “The Army uses the term uncertainty — that’s not a plan for the future,” he said. Instead that leads the service, Goure opined, to operating without “a greater vision, a greater purpose than the immediate fight.” And that takes us back to his initial premise, that the current course of the Army will place the country in peril because it will be vulnerable to an enemy able to target our technology that has been developed with the current fight in mind. “You don’t have a core purpose for the Army,” whether it might be developing the capability to read and react to an enemy attack, mobilize quickly and stop the enemy in its tracks almost anywhere in the world, pacify the Indians or stop the Soviets at the Fulda Gap.

Defense Secretary Gates has said several times he thinks MRAPs may become a part of the son of FCS. But Goure, Army officials and others say MRAPs can’t be networked and lack the generating power to handle anything like the sort of sensor and communication capabilities the Army will need in the future. “Building a vehicle just designed to protect your own force” just won’t cut it Goure said. “Try using MRAPs in a jungle,” he said for effect, noting the likelihood of conflict somewhere in Asia.

And the Army’s rush to redo requirements for its main modernization effort will result in “bastard child,” Goure said, arguing the incremental approach will result in something that isn’t heavy enough to be useful in places like Fallujah or to throw enough kinetics to stop an enemy dead in its tracks.

Broadly speaking, Goure said the real problem lies with the defense secretary, who wants to rebalance the US military to fight the kinds of wars we are currently engaged in. And the Army will find it very difficult to say no to someone who has killed more programs — successfully — than any civilian leader in memory.

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Goure represents the Lexington Institute an organization that is libertine in the extreme and very hostile towards social enterprises. Hybrid war is what the DoD is gearing towards Mr. Goure and your Fulda Gap plan did real well in South East Asia didn’t it(sarcasm intended). Also no vehicals move well in the jungle that is why we developed insertion by way of helicopter a technique we are still extremely good at refer to ongoing Operation Strike of the Sword in Helmand Province.

“Why would you think you are going to get yourself in the same situation in five years”” Goure asked.
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Considering that insurgencies take approximately 10 years to put down, it doesn’t seem unreasonable. The Lexington Institute obviously prefers that the Army prepare for a conventional war, but given that we are fighting two long term counterinsurgencies, I think it’s unavoidable.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/19666/funding_us_counterinsurgency.html?breadcrumb=%2F

“The problem is that the United States is now waging two real wars against actual opponents who do not fight like Hezbollah in 2006 or Croatian separatists in 1991. The future is one thing–the present is another. The young Turks over project today’s demands into the future, but they get today’s demands exactly right. And today’s wars are extremely demanding. If the U.S. military does not remake itself to maximize effectiveness in counterinsurgency, it could easily lose one or both of today’s conflicts with potentially grave consequences.

This means the U.S. military may have to transform itself twice. To avoid defeat in today’s wars may require a more thorough conversion to the needs of counterinsurgency, going beyond training and operations (which are already heavily oriented to counterinsurgency) to weapon acquisition programs, military service budget shares, and even the promotion priorities we use to shape the officer corps and its skills. But the military that results will not necessarily be suited to the demands of the postwar world. Those demands could require a second transformation.”

That Fulda Gap plan and that cold war stuff did real well in iraq 1..

Now big Army is going to be completely “rebalanced” to chase obama’s relatives in caves? Talk about last war-itis…

The russians and chicomms have to be loving having their boy in the white house.…

I wonder what was the Lexington Institute’s opinion of the merits of invading Afghanistan and Iraq?

There was no Iraq 1 and Iraq 2 they are the same war with a 12 year cease fire CVN, and the basterdized war plan, otherwise known as a COIN strategy, is what saved our military in Iraq. Those comments about the Commander in Chief are real professional by the way.

Hey at least I don’t call police officers stupid for doing their job.

Nothing against coin strategy. But do you really think there will be another war like Iraq in which insurgents/terrorist have such ready access to explosives that we need to reform the entire Army to fight that ?

What we need is. Kick in the door capability for a Georgia 2 or Taiwan situation. That is the equip Barry is gutting.

Georgia 2 and Taiwan are both non-starters, why in the world would we become involved in any hot war in the Caucasus tinderbox. That is the exact mind set we need to move away from not towards. Taiwan is an internal situation to be resolved between the PRC and RoT, any involvement on our part should be in promoting reconciliation not hostilities. Also before you tag me as a Communist know that the marxists of the world don’t include me in their book of friends I assure you.

Was even Vietnam an exclusively guerilla war? The memory of North Vietnamese tanks rolling into Saigon tells me that it was not. Part of the conflict was an insurgent conflict but there was (not while the US was there, as I recall) a classic armored invasion. Even WW2 was mostly a classic war but did have insurgent phases. So every military must plan for a spectrum of conflict intensities.
It almost sounds like the Army is developing an Army-within-an-Army with a corps of Southwest Asia specialists. From which will be taken the vast majority of General officers no doubt, and this group will decide what vehicles to buy, etc.
This will not serve us well if the next conflict occurs in some winter environment where the MRAPs are breaking thru ice covered streams and getting stuck. And then getting shot by tanks that have half their silhouette.

Anyway, we need to not obsess on this conflict as we have done so many times before, but need to acquire a flexible force with a couple of different vehicles. But on both the AF and Army sides — it seems that people feel that this particular environment and conflict is The Future.

Goure. This creeping MRAPization of the Army is unwise.

Just as big of a problem is the corrupt weasel Obama’s systematic destruction of our national defense to generate cash to pay off his cronies. Luckily Obama and Team Evil are finally getting some pushback from decent Americans.

I have to agree with cvn. You are all spewing garbage about the next war being fought as a insurgency. But, what happens when Iran decides to go into, lets say, Iraq to quell cross border drug shipments? Or, North Korea decides to go re-unite the south? Or when Venezuala decides to annex Equador? You people cannot see past the end of your nose because you are trying to kiss up to the Chinese and their puppet Obama.

You really want to know how the next war is going to be fought? JUST LIKE IRAQ. A HYBRID WAR.

You need tanks, howitzers( now the Obama chinese connection decided to gut the air force, howitzers are needed more than ever to make up for ground support that once came from the air)Amoured personnel carriers, mortors, helocopters, and trucks. And, you are going to need the radios to keep every one connected.

Yes, the next war is going to be fought as a hybrid. Just like air-land battle 2000, a plan that came out in the 80’s was put together to counter.

LTC Phillips.…youspeak like a man that has actually studied the past to learn about the future. And,I wish you were still in the military to knock sense into these people who want to litter the battle field with dead American soldier bodies.

And, I want to make another point to all those fools who want to fight just insurgencies.….

Some times, you have to invade a country to get to terrorist cells to destroy them. And, you need to do this by force. Not by sending in a few nannies to please the natives. You need armour…lots of it. You need air craft. Lots of them. You need soldiers, lots of them. You cannot depend on ground sensors to hold ground. UAVs to provide ground support. Or computers to do a humans job.

If history has shown us one thing, war, is never a constant. You have to prepare the best you can during down times. And in this case, we are going to be at war for a very long time. And, Afghanistan and Iraq are just a drop in the bucket to what is going on now, and what will be happening in the future.

Its a big mistake that we are making to prepare for todays war by fighting tomorrows wars the same as todays. Tomorrows war is going to be a combination of insurgencies and conventional conflict with a peer that heavily out numbers us in every way. So it is wise that we drop the insurgency view and start HYBRIDS.

ALL the racist comments only describe your intent, which disqualifies the focus of your point. Grow the F*** UP!!

MRAPs are pretty much useless for anything other than patrolling roads and escorting supply convoys. And unless those roads are paved, they had better be those M-ATVs. It is foolish to try to integrate them into the Army’s next vehicle program. M-ATVs should be used to supplement the JLTV in the Army’s future force structure, not be used as a true combat vehicle.

becoming to focused on counter insurgency is the same as focusing solely on fight the rooskies at fulda. sometimes you have to fight a conventional war to get into a position where you would need to fight a counter insurgency.

Exactly Daniel. That is why we should not turn big army into a constabulary force like Barry wants ~ good for parolling the roads of 3d world countries but not for powere projection.

A friendly :
Taiwan is a free and democratic country seperate from the PRC once we are to the point of throwing our allies away we have lost all moral authority — ot to mention the trust of our other allies. This may be what Barry believes but not what america stands for.

As to the caucuses — have you heard of Kosovo? If we can get involved for a non reason like that then we could and should get involved to protect an Allie like Georgia who sent troops to iraq for us.

What if Barry buddy chavez goes into hondurous? Are we going to send mraps?

I saw this ad on AFN TV about one hour ago.
It was a reenlistment ad for the 3rd Brigade Combat Team 1st Cav. A prominent phrase in the ad was, spread the venmon. Yes how appropriate the ad admits that you are VENOMOUS VIPERS AND deserve to be recognized as such. Yes vipers lie in wait beside a trail and strike out at anything that steps to close. An amoral creature that will strike a 4 year old child, or a rabbit or an 80 year old woman, makes no difference its life comes first. All other lives are either pray or a threat.

Don’t feed the trolls. Instead, email Military​.com and ask them to close comments and require everyone to post to a message board instead.

I don’t see why you need a forum to delete a few bad posts. All a forums do is limit the posting base to a small handful of contributors.

Density Duck,
Are you happy. I had 2 posts here directly above the one at 2:08 pm. and they were removed. That proves that there is a moderator here paying some attention to what I am writing and deleting those comments that are perhaps to extreme or perhaps reveal information that could be used to harm US troops. Or perhaps they are removing those those posts that could actually lead to some highly intelligent US citizens from reaching the conclusion that the US military leaders do not want them to reach.
That is highly unlikely however. I saw on Satbrain I believe it was that DODBUZZ gets about 3000 hits a day. Well some people like me check in several times a day. So lets guess 1500 regular readers then even less than that would read the comments posted after the articles. People with varying political outlooks who actually are part of or want to be part of or were part of the military industrial complex. The idea that something I write will actually persuade them to do something to risk their financial well being is very very remote.

Broadly speaking, Goure said the real problem lies with the defense secretary, who wants to rebalance the US military to fight the kinds of wars we are currently engaged in. And the Army will find it very difficult to say no to someone who has killed more programs — successfully — than any civilian leader in memory.
ALL
And there you have the answer. Gates. Gates. Gates. Secr’y of Obama Nation. Bent on derailing funds, programs, RE adjust and Re Adjust. Keep the Professionals off balance.
All, ALL, right out of Saul Alinsky’ Play book, Rules for Radicals. Examine the motives folks, and your vision becomes a H… of a lot clearer.
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Semper Fi
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I heard a gentleman recently remark that in a couple years the Army won’t be able to give away MRAPs as garden decorations to anyone.

The FM 3–24 obsession will end and Secretary Gates will be seen as a misguided fool who misallocated our finite resources in a time of great global change.

Well since several of my posts have been deleted it has thrown off my train of thought. I sure hope that does not cause any trains to derail today. Anyways my opponents say there is no need to worry as I do not have thoughts.
I seem to vaguely recall comparing military service for the United States in the 21st century with membership in the Bloods and the Crypts and showing why membership in the Bloods and the Crypts is more honorable.
Perhaps my comparisons were to painful to inflict upon the soft skinned princesses that might have been offended by it.
Perhaps it was deleted because it would have given usable tactile information to Abu Mahdi.
Hahahahahaha
That is an evil sounding haahahahahaha.
Perhaps it was deleted because I correctly pointed out that I am the most offensive tactical weapon system in the Russian or Iranian military short of nuclear weapons and such a portrayal of enemy capabilities is not good for the degenerate budget.
So if I can not pass on those secrets I will pass on a different one. I do not run on nuclear power. I run on crypto knight.
And now u no the rest of the story.
Good night

**The views expressed in this entry are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government**

Both the title and premise of this article misunderstand Secretary Gates’ end state in pushing Congress to cancel the FCS vehicle platform, and most recently the Air Force’s F-22 fighter jet. Rather than “planning for the last war,” Sec Gates is committed to winning the wars we’re currently fighting … and planning to win ALL wars.

During testimony before the House Armed Service Committee, Sec Gates essentially told Congress that they must take an appetite suppressant. The FCS, F-22, and other questionable acquisition programs were designed during the height of the Cold War and during a time when the country was busy forgetting the lessons of Vietnam — on purpose. The U.S. military was ill-prepared for the asymmetric nature of warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan because, as in institution, we purged ourselves of everything that dealt with irregular warfare or insurgency, because it has to do with how we failed in that war. Sec Gates understands that we must now institutionalize the lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, lest we forget them again and find ourselves reflecting on Iraq and Afghanistan as the new Vietnam.

If we want to know what future threats will look like, we need look no further than the past and present. The Gulf War excluded, the conflicts involving the U.S. military since the Vietnam war include actions in Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others. Notably missing from this list are the types on conventional force– on-force wars that the FCS and F-22 systems were built based on.

Moreover, when we look into the crystal ball, the future threats to the U.S. look much like the current fights in Iraq and Afghanistan. Globalization, resource scarcity, proliferation of weapons of mass effect, and the youth bulge and urbanization in underdeveloped states all point to future conflicts sparked by terrorism, failed regimes, or rogue states. Our enemies will not stand toe to toe with U.S. military superiority because they know they will lose. Instead, they understand that protracted warfare is most effective against the U.S. because ultimately, politics drives war, and once the will of the average American is broken, then their votes will soon determine whether U.S. forces stay and fight or go home. Thus, U.S. forces will face an enemy with capabilities than run the gamut from highly capable and technical Hezbollah to home grown insurgents. Sec Gates is preparing the U.S. military for full spectrum conflict. This requires an acquisition process that is flexible and responsive.

Sec Gates’ decision to kill the FCS vehicle platform and the F-22 fighter does not mean that he fails to grasp future threats. Instead, it means that he desires to go back to the drawing board to re-analyze future threats because acquisition decisions made 30 years ago are irrelevent today, yet the process lacks the flexibility to quickly adapt and modify those decisions. For example, in scrapping the FCS vehicle, Sec Gates stated that the Army will design a new vehicle from scratch after careful research and analysis.

Never in American history has the military taken on so much responsibility around the world, and never have we had a Secretary of Defense more up to the task. Sec Gates is committed to not only transforming the U.S. military, but also transforming Congress to be more responsive to the needs of the military … and the nation’s defense.

MAJ Edwards,

While I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post, unfortunately you are wrong on several points regarding FCS.

First, while the F-22 began during the Cold War, the FCS program did not enter into the SDD phase until May, 2003, which by my reckoning is a good decade plus after the end of the Cold War. To call it a Cold War era program is simply wrong. The genesis for the effort lies with the Army’s experience in the Balkans in the late 1990s as any reading of the program history will tell you.

Second, you appear to think that every future war will look like the wars we are in now. By taking that point of view, you are guilty of the same mistakes you attribute to senior military leaders following Vietnam. Since we can’t “know” the future, the Army must be prepared to wage war across the spectrum of conflict rather than overspecializing in irregular warfare (the current fad of the day) or in conventional war (the post-Vietnam Army). For example, did anybody in 1981 think that the US would send more than half a million soldiers, including 2 Corps from Europe (!!!) to fight Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 1991? Having worked with TRADOC for several years, it is apparent that the Army is taking the necessary steps to institutionalize the lessons learned from the current conflicts.

Third, you note that “in scrapping the FCS vehicle (NOTE — it wasn’t one vehicle, it was a family of 8 vehicles centered on a common chassis. At least get the details right!), Sec Gates stated that the Army will design a new vehicle from scratch after careful research and analysis.” He has also stated that he expects the Army to field those vehicles in 5–7 years. Those two statements can’t both be true. Why? Because the Army was planning on fielding the first full FCS BCT in 2015, 6 years from now, based on continuing the FCS program as is. There is no way the Army can, “after careful research and analysis” field a new vehicles in the same time frame. Additionally, while Sec Gates has promised that the money from the FCS program will be there for a new vehicle, there is no guarantee that he will be the SECDEF 5–6 years down the road. People leave, conditions change. The result of Sec Gates decision is that the Army will continue to use armored vehicles designed in the 1960s and 70s and built in the 1980s well beyond their anticipated life-cycle. Also, given that TF 120 has until Labor Day to report back on the requirements for these new vehicles, how new do you really think it will be?

Everybody talks about reforming the acquisition process yet the decisions made by Sec Gates will only return the Army at least to the stovepiped hell it was in before FCS. The program will serve as a warning to all other potential reformers — try something new and you will get screwed.

While there are numerous things that the Army could have done differently on FCS, the fundamental concept of the program was true — the Army needs a full-spectrum capability and while Sec Gates might mouth the words, his actions have set back Army modernization by a decade.

Finally, while Sec Gates has made several anecdotal comments about the survivability of FCS vehicles, OSD did no independent analysis to support the decision. That’s right, he canceled the Army’s largest modernization program since WWII and has no analysis or data to support the decision.

Thanks for the post Sebastian.

Well said Armywonk. But it does seem like there is room for compromise:

* Change GCVs to around 40 ton to retain 2 per C-17 for limited air deployment of battalion task forces
* Add a full time V-Hull and figure a way to do it on a tracked vehicle
* Reduce GCV numbers in an infantry platoon and increase men carried to 15 and make it a joint program with the Marines instead of EFV
* Add M-ATV to the force structure (and IED protection leading road marches) in place of some JLTV for full spectrum conflict and organic resupply
* Retain FCS active protection, sensors, networking, band track, and hybrid-electric drivetrain to maximize existing R&D

Ditto, Drake. So glad to see Army officers willing to post. Their needs to be a public debate by more officers than the blue ribbon panel can address.

Cole,

Another solution is to have 2 common chassis — the first would support heavier vehicles like a mounted combat system, NLOS-C, and ICV. A lighter common chassis could then support a NLOS-Mortar, C&C, Recon, Maitenance/Recovery, and Medical. All would have a hybrid electric propulsion system and you design them so they can take a V-shape hull kit if the mission requires it.

Armywonk.

Great point on 2 common chassis, but how heavy do you make the new tank, howitzer, and ICV? 80K? 90K? 100K pounds or more?

Wouldn’t the Abrams continue to suffice for heavy BCTs with new 40 ton ICV and howitzers? A new 40 ton tank would work for the lighter FCS BCT with the same 40 ton ICV, howitzers. But would that weight work with hybrid electric drive? Electric motors are high in torque which helps, but isn’t that a lot of batteries?

Plus, the recovery and C2 vehicles would probably need to be larger. The recovery vehicle must weigh about the same as the heaviest vehicle being towed, and the C2V has potential to carry more staff if it is 40 tons to reduce C2 vehicle numbers.

A 40 ton heavier common chassis works well when combined with two of the lighter chassis 35–40,000 lb. vehicles on the same C-17. But that is lighter than the FCS vehicle was going to be at 54,000 lbs…which couldn’t be met. But if the second common chassis consisted of smaller wheeled vehicles, maybe they could get to a 20 ton weight. After all, M-ATV are around 32,000 lbs gross vehicle weight.

Planning for uncertainty means your force has the following two attributes. It is composable (like Legos) and collectively has the requisite variety to be assembled into specific compositions appropriate to the unpredictable and — yes — uncertain future.

To those who rail on Gates and Obama for restructuring the FCS program and for the emphasis on COIN, I argue that you aren’t understanding the restructuring, you’re ignoring trends in warfare and you are not seeing how Gates has STRENGTHENED the Army for ALL types of conflict, including the beloved scenario of a grand war with China.

Much of the strength in FCS was and is in the network of sensors and information. Not only did Gates keep this all important part of FCS, but he EXPANDED it to the ENTIRE Army, not just FCS brigades!

For those who argue how does that help us with conventional war scenarios that some seem to be so fixated on. Let’s look at the deep raid performed by a large AH-64 Apache task force in Iraq. They were equipped with Longbow Hellfire missiles and radars. If you know how this works, they could have made mincemeat of the armored formation that was detected, HOWEVER due to issues with SENSOR acuity, they could not positively ID that tank formation. So rather than commit fraticide possibly, they used visual ID which was when they overflew the ambush that was awaiting them.

Gates’ move to disperse and widen sensors for the ENTIRE Army would prevent a repeat of this because the entire force would have sufficient organic sensor coverage.

I’ll leave the discussion here, but my points above remain in that those who rail on Obama and Gates are doing it strictly out of political party affiliations and without a grounding of what really was done and how it IMPROVES the Army situation.

Gates has said the Army NEEDS and will get new armored vehicles. He wants a true successor to the Abrams/Bradley vehicles.

Atacms,

Agree that some of the decisions that Gates has made have been positive. For example, FCS Spin Outs will now go to all BCTs in both the active and reserve component. That said, by cancelling the FCS BCT acquisition program and forcing the Army to create new MDAPs on follow-on BCT spin outs and the network, there will be a considerable delay in that happening as compared to the FCS program of record pre-April 6.

Additionally, the cancellation of the MGVs does hurt the Army. There is no realistic way that the Army can field the new GCV in 5–7 years. Furthermore, the requirement to include MRAPs is a return to stovepiped acquisition. They are going to take an existing platform (MRAP) and have to figure out how to hand jam in the network rather than the MGV design which incorporated the network from the ground up. The end result is a delay in fielding new armored vehicles that the Army needs.

Major Williams implicitly points out a horrible truth. Why you (the US military) fight is because you are asses. Review his list,
Globalization, OK so you are mercenaries for a corporate welfare state. Critical natural resources OK so we waste tons of these critical natural resources like EIGHT MILLION BARRELS OF OIL PER DAY not to mention steel, titanium and what have you preparing to fight and actually fighting wars. Unfortunately we can not expect people raised in a barn like the US military to be able to think these things through. A third world youth bulge, OK lets kill third world youth so they will not compete with us for scarce resources. Then we brand the sore losers as terrorists. The nerve of third world people to have children! Urbanization ditto.
Failed states and Rouge states well first of all it must be pointed out that it takes one to know one. Second of all let us ignore our own role in creating the failed states in the first place. Third of all let ignore the undeniable that US military intervention is not about helping the inhabitants of the failed state anyways.
I have not been to Afghanistan but If you tell me that our presence in Afghanistan has had a positive effect I will call you an idiot. I do not care it you have 4 or 5 tours there. Some people are just so keen to justify their paycheck or their blood lust that any excuse will do.
Iraq ditto even worse. We have traded one dictator for another. Perhaps a more popular one but a dictator none the less, and we have committed mass murder in the process.
So shall we fight wars in the future to spread democracy? Contain the Russians or the Chinese?
The Russians can not even defeat a few Central Asian Rebels and the Chinese are wiping us out economically. Should we fight a war to defend Israel? The idea behind Israel was to have a safe place for Jews to go to. There already is a safe place. It is called the United States.
Furthermore it was the Europeans who made the Jews unsafe so it is complete nonsense to say that they should be allowed to build their homeland in Palestine without the consent of the local inhabitants. It is a case of the cowboys and indians all over again. The Mexicans have a much stronger claim to California than Jews do to Palestine.
The current US leadership both military and political needs to be replaced by Grasshoppers.
They could do a better job. Of course how can I expect you to know that, who have you been edukated bei?
I love Native Americans, and African Americans, and Jewish Americans. I love Arabs and Iranians too. I can even respect an abortion clinic bomber, although I would be glad to see such a person go to prison, because I can understand how such a person can believe that he is working for a greater good.
I am a very tolerant person but I draw the line at people who take part in wars of aggression. For them I have no tolerance. I also have no tolerance for those who define clear and present danger so broadly that they become the clear and present danger themselves. And I really HATE people who wage wars of aggression based on lies in order to hide their personal reasons for going to war. Furthermore I do not accept a war as being legal let alone being morally justified just because it is popular.
The American people do not have the right to wage a war of aggression therefore they can not delegate that right to Congress.

buddha i find what you say very interesting and would like to subscribe to your news letter.

Secretary Gates never said he wanted to rebuild the US Army to just fight insurgencies. He actually spelled out a force ratio (don’t remember the numbers) which allocated certain percentages of the army for conventional or irregular warfare. He wants to make sure we’re successful in the current fight (which is by no means over) and keep that institutional knowledge and equipment for when we’ll need it again down the road while we keep our great conventional abilities.

All the criticism, all the time, without a single realistic alternative to war in many scenarios. But do agree that some of that list may not lead to war.

Globalization: Keeps India and China on our side when other problems might otherwise tear us apart. It’s irritating that they get to pollute (and guzzle cheaper gas rather than more expensive alternate energy sources) to their hearts content while we will go bankrupt trying to change global temps a few degrees.

Resources: Potential source of conflict over dwindling oil supplies: Drilling near China seas and in arctic may lead to trouble. Kurds/Shiites/Sunnis not sharing oil? Venezuela may seize too much U.S. industry and corrupt neighbors. Just remember: Citgo equals Venezuela gas…don’t buy it.

Youth bulge: Pot calling kettle black…Europeans (you’re in Germany right?) welcoming so may muslims into their countries are inviting trouble when there are no jobs. In contrast, American muslims are fairly satisfied because they have work and freedoms without outrageous European taxes…at least up until now.

Rogue states: When they get more nukes and give them to terrorists and neighbors who use them on U.S./Europe…THAT will be the start of a major war with mass casualties. It may be unavoidable but shouldn’t we at least TRY to delay the possibility until missile defense and detection of nuclear materials improve?

Russians: Want to control Europe’s oil/natural gas and former spheres of influence, but that pesky globalization that you despise works against them. Unfortunately, alliance like NATO may lead to war when sensitive location newcomers want to join.

Chinese: Back to that pesky globalization entangling our interests and reducing the liklihood of war. Same intertwined interests between Taiwan and PRC

Israel: They don’t need our help, other than maybe counter-TBM/rocket tech. WE may need their help on Iran to delay their nuke program to keep them out of Hezbollah hands.

For someone who lives in Germany, you sure gotta lot of nerve to critize warlike Americans and NATO. Do you think “East Germany” is better or worse off being part of Germany than the Eastern Bloc?? BTW, my wife is half German and her German mom lived in Brun (Czech Republic) and barely got out to Germany before the Russians came through…and decided to stay.

Maybe we should have let the German finish off the Jews and seize all of Europe and the Soviet Union. Maybe we should have let the Soviets have Europe instead of standing up to them in the Cold War? Are Japan and Germany nicer world citizens now thanks to allied efforts to thwart their aggression…instead of appeasing it?

So tell me genius. What should we do when terrorists use Chem/Bio/Dirty bomb WMD in Europe and North Korea starts handing out nukes like candy to high bidders? What if Iran threatens oil supplies leaving the Straits of Hormuz and gives nukes to Hezbollah?

Would America have been better off in a primitive state or occupied by the current melting pot? It isn’t like there were millions of native americans when we came to town. We screwed up on slavery, but do you think African-Americans ancestors of slaves or Hispanic-Americans, Indian-Americans, Asian-Americans etc. are better off here or in Africa/Mexico/India/Asia? Sometimes when folks learn to live together, it works out for everyone.

Daniel, for now this is my newsletter. If I remember correctly I can not provide links to outside sources but perhaps I can provide a clue.
Stan Goff is a Feral Scholar. WayneMadsen Report is in DC.

Cole, thank you for giving me so much of your time. I will get back with you when my time out in the corner is over.

I completely disagree with the General, though I thank him for his service and candor.

The reason why so many Senior Military Officers are opposed to hybrid warfare (and other approaches to conflict) is that once you examine this new type of warfare, you realize how increasingly irrelevant and inefficient the modern military command structure is.

Our command structures are built to command and control very large armies against organized enemy forces as large (if not larger. Without a command and control structure on the other side to oppose and analyze, the modern military senior staff and its echelons of officers and senior advisors serve little purpose beyond interference. After it isn’t like we’re fighting a single organized enemy force that can be outmaneuvered or whittled down through attrition; we’re dealing with dozens if not hundreds of smaller groups all of whom share little in common beyond a distrust of outsiders.

Do you still need central command and supervision?? SURE! But the question they all fear is how many? In counterinsurgency and other hybrid wars the Captain, and Sergeant take on duties and command authority once reserved for Majors and Colonels. Taken to its logical conclusion it also makes one wonder just how much all this organizational “command” inefficiency costs us in both fighting strength and effectiveness??

How many levels of command DOES it take to change a light bulb?? How many squads and supporting equipment you could get if you cut out all that dead weight??

Now you know.…and now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

the military is always in the middleof change. so thereis no one way to say, this is how we will fight a conflict. the military is always 3 to 5 years behind on how to handle any given situation. an we have no idea what our next conflict will be, thats why we are better prepared for most situations. an where were all these compaints when good old W. WAS SCREWING EVERYTHING UP FOR 8 YEARS. OBAMA hasn’t started a bunch of crap to cover up what is really going on.

History shows that we always are ready to fight the last war, as we go into the next one. Every nation has done that for all of history with only a few exceptions. The US has never been one of those exceptions.

My war was Nam for two tours but we were always getting ready for change. Declaring that whatever is happening needs change is how people get promoted so it is essential that every new politician and every new officer or commander announce they will make changes. Then all the footsoldiers (enlisted and junior officers) have to change so those guys can get promoted or re-elected. That won’t ever change.

i have never gone to war, but still i was in svcs (USArmy)at the begging of nam. did not like then and still don’t. we need more manpower and vehicles to do the job right.

I have a good friend and colleague who is being redeployed. Like myself, this guy is a history buff. As we talked the other day, I spotted on his bookshelf this very interesting book on the post-Korean War Army, a book written by Bacevich in the mid-80s:

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201980%20to%201989/Pentomic%20Era%20-%20July%2086/PENTER.pdf

“The Pentomic Era: The US Army Between Korea and Vietnam”

This book is a classic. It is filled with quotes from heavy hitters like William DePuy and Jack Cushman, from a time when those men were field grade officers. Change the names and the circumstances, it could be front line news as to what is happening to the U.S. Army today.

We do need to understand why it is that the U.S. Army is particularly subjected to each stroke of the electoral cycle, and why it is forced to engage in radical transformative ventures, why it is compelled to continuously redefine its business model. No other army in the world does this. The Marine Corps and the Air Force do not have to wage a continuous battle to justify their existence — or their acquisition programs. They do not junk their doctrine and rewrite it from scratch every 8–10 years.

Part of it, I believe, is that the U.S. Army is always overextended; part of it, I think, stems from an intrinsic American dislike of standing armies. And then there is our national tendency, only partly muted since WWII, to fall into military disrepair and unreadiness during times of (relative) peace. How would we mobilize if we needed a much larger army ever again ? This is not a new problem. The Army’s end strength in the 1950s fell into the 800K range for only 14 divisions of 11K men apiece. Pathetic force generation…just pathetic. But then, this was an army of draftees. Conventional ops ? No, that was outmoded Cold War thinking — the Army was to break with the past, with the last war. The Korean War. We would never be fighting a war like that again.

What the record shows is that in the 50s, the Army went over the top in designing a force supposedly optimized for high intensity conflict, under Eisenhower’s New Look, with SecDef Charles Wilson foreshadowing Rumsfeld and Gates in browbeating the Army leadership. Replace the Crusader, the AGS, and the FCS MGV with the T113 (the prototype M113) and the story is the same. Megabucks for missiles (the latest fad in the inventory), pennies for ground combat vehicles.

After Kennedy’s election, the pendulum swung towards low intensity conflict. Many of the arguments the Army made to counter the New Look came back to haunt it during the 60s. It was only after the Vietnam debacle, under the leadership of Abrams and Depuy, that the Army rediscovered its center. Nonetheless, the strategic tension remained, as many of us well recall; Bacevich reveals himself in the 1986 book to be as pro-LIC as he is today. He actively opines that the US should have declared itself to be an international police force on the model of the Roman imperium back in ’55.

I do find it difficult to fault the Army leadership for this situation; Truman and Eisenhower ended the careers of Douglas MacArthur and Matthew Ridgeway. Bush and Obama ended the careers of Shinseki and McKiernan: what, pray tell, has changed ? Conclusion: while Goure’s premise is correct, his evaluation of the problem’s cause is flawed.

In a proliferated world, what makes us think there is no room for pentomic divisions ? If anything, we should reflect that the pentomic era’s operational motto of flexibility, mobility and depth prefigured our Air Land Battle tenets of agility, initiative, depth and synchronization — words that I now understand to have be buried at Fort Leavenworth.

There are warriors in the ranks of the generals. Men of common sense and toughness, the Tex Goodspeeds of my generation. The Army of the Future awaits their lead, when all this has played out.

Klotzen, nicht kleckern.

““Try using MRAPs in a jungle,” he said for effect, noting the likelihood of conflict somewhere in Asia.”

Try using 28 ton tracked FCS vehicles.

In the jungle itself, neither will help all that much. On roads, which still have to be protected for logistics, MRAPs will still be very helpful. MRAPs will also work just fine in any African operations, and are beginning to see use on the Mexican border.

If you want armor for the jungle, you want smaller things like Wiesels and Bv206S/BvS10/Bronco tracked vehicles. Which folks like the Swedes and German paratroopers have. The British have also found their BvS10s extremely useful in Afghanistan, where wheeled vehicles, including MRAPs, have real issues off-road.

The other thing that works in Afghanistan are the 60+ ton tanks, whose weight is needed to deal with mud walls around villages.

This has been educational up to a point. The post that lauded “The Air Force as not needing to justify itself after every election and doesn’t change its doctrine every 8 or ten years”. hasn’t lived the history that I have (AF 54 to 87). Big and little things (use of Bombers and uniforms, where do acft mech’s belong with fighters or in the rear with the gear, come and go with 4 star rotations along with SecDef’s and AAF’s.

Planning, vision and reason are wonderful tools; not decision makers. USArmy leaders,
on the ground in our current fights, have a
vision–also–and Sec Gates should not ignore
that visions value; when considering and
planning the future army mission… It is
easy to explain that those who look into the
future and plan for the last war are foolish–
but—the army leadership must consider which foolish genius has the plan to end the current war (s)? Has the ” GLOBAR WAR ON TERROR ” been won; is it over, as we set for the next war?

From a guy with recent Pentagon experience…At the heart of the matter is Pentagon leadership that is almost wholly focused on current operations, at the expense of near-, mid– and far-term strategic thought and shaping activities — which is why the Pentagon exists.

Combatant Commanders can handle the current fight, and yes, Pentagon leadership must adjust programs to provide responsive capability where their predecessors “got it wrong”; however, trying to be an “operator” versus a “strategic planner” in the building (because we are comfortable with the certianty of current ops and uncomfortable with the myriad risks associated with resourcing for the far-term) reflects poorly on Pentagon leadership.

Resourcing the solutions for an ever-present strategy to capability mis-match is tough work, but it must be the focus of the Secretary of Defense on down in the Pentagon — lest we risk taking one in the “loss” column with unimagineable consequences.

Thank God for the professional Non-Commissioned Officer Corps that acts as lubrication for this innate friction in our system, and solves for the second, third, fourth order effects between decisions in the Pentagon and decisions/outcomes in the battle space!

“Prepair to fight the war that is at hand and not the one you trained for.” Clawswitz. How many years did the army pound into your head Air Land Battle? Never happened. Be prepaired to fight two MAJOR battles in two AOs at once. Still waiting. I don’t know who does all the mental masterbation to come up with Training and Docterin but that think tank is as effctive as my spelling.

The 101st had some of the bloodiest battles of Vietnam’s war with America. Hamberger Hill, Tet offensive and the last major and bloody battle in Vietnam for the 101st was Fire Base Ripcord. But along with being the warriors that they were they were also using CI and Civil Affairs tactics trying to “Win the Hearts and Minds” of the Vietnamise citizens.

John Paul Vann on CI No collateral Damage!!!

Colin Powell Kill’em all Let God Sort Them Out
What is CI? No senitor there are no atrocities in our AO. Well hello Mai Lai.

Well about thirty eight years and the fifth general in Iraq the 101st was back in action being “Warriors and Diplomats” Trying to win the “Harts and Minds”. The 101st was applying the same CI and Civil Affairs tactics used thirty eight years ago. Progress.

After the fall of Bahgdad And our heavy forces deserve alot of credit for an outstanding job, it was then that the Great Paul E. Bremmer and the CPA failed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi citizens when the citizens were looking to the coalition for security,inferstruction and work. The people were ready to be won. Mental masterbation strikes Paul E. Bremmer, he does not want to have Bathists or Saddam’s people running security or electric power plants or water distrobution. The people are looting there is very little electricity and water,he is not winnig the hearts and minds,they had more securety power water and jobs when Saddam was in power. Now in the vacuume that he has created rushes in the insurgents to TAKE the hearts and minds and to continue the war.

Paul E Bremmer: NOT QUALIFIED.
5 Theater commanders:NOT QUALIFED

As the last ditch effort we will throw Patreas in.

David Patreaus WROTE THE BOOK!

Success.

Intelligent leaders with different ideas and having a set of balls to implement their tactics when they know they are correct will be able to adapt to most situations.

What is better than Mrap, Stryker if you must use roads? The shoe leather express. Foot patrols with close air. Stryker,MRAP in desert, Not bad. Stryker, MRAP in ASIA, SE ASIA Leave them in the motor pool if they can make it that far.

A great asset in wining the hearts and minds of the people would be Joe Snuffy that is intelligent,chrismatic,easy to be around and it would not hurt for him to have a set of balls. He is your key to success. Sorry got to quit gotta go.

Mom Loui

Vietnam “69–70″ 101st ABN

Iraq “04” 103rd Iraqi National Guard BN

All of this is why there were many different types of regiments back in the Napoleanic wars. We are returning to the days where missions specific training helps create the regiment.

In cavalry alone there was light and heavy, hussars, lancers, dragoons/carabineers etc. An experienced commander would know how and when to use them.

We need to do the same now . We need light infantry, we need cavalry (recon and fast attack), we need special forces, we will need-if only at the begining of a conflicy heavy units of armour and full fledged motorized infantry units.

The answer is right in fron of our eyes. Relish the different combat solutions these unis potentially provide. then react and train new units when the need becomes apparent.

we sgould even consider a real mounted cavalry unit as a ceremonial and real alternative training unit.

Chiefy houston:

Brilliant argument there: “racist, sexist, blah blah blah…

These “ists” can’t hold a candle to the IST barry obama is: marxIST…

IF anyone needs to grow up it is those who think barry has the best interest of the USA in mind..

It is not going to make any diff what DoD thinks about. With Fake President OB AMA in the White House, the U.S. Military will not have much of anything new to work with. Remember, “The Village Idot From Kenya”, does not give a rats behind about the U.S. getting into more wars. What our troops have now is all they are going to get. OB AMA has spent the farm on waste in the stimmy package and there is nothing left.
The Chi-comms are in D.C. now telling Sec. State Clinton that they will not buy anymore U.S. Government Bonds, as long as the value of the U.S. Money is in the toilet. The Chi-comms own the National Debt and they are telling the OB AMA Clowns to start cutting taxes or they are coming to collect on the debt. Chi-comms are improving their military weapons faster than we can come up with new and better stuff. After all the Chi-comms can buy whatever they want from any person in the U.S.A. That is how they have and do operate.
As for improved relations with them for long mutual agreement, it is them TELLING US, what is going to happen not the other way around!
Do not be fooled by what the liberal national media is putting out about these talks. The Chi-comms are doing ALL the talking and the U.S. is saying, ” YES SIR!“
The Chi-comms are true Capitalist NOW and they have NO desire to go back to being a poor country with billions of people.

Wow some people are pushing back on the end of the gravey train… Don’t worry guys there will be plenty of industry jobs after retirement. But it might be a good idea to roll up the two we have going…with a bit of success first.

As for the turn around time on design. I just tossed away my old (3 years) laptop and picked up a new one…designed in the 1990s era of the Balkans and delivered in 2015 with tons of costing over run and design upgrade. Why does anyone think that is acceptable? Ok I know that has worked for GM really well.

Designing to win in a future that never comes and loosing today, is that smart? Fulda Gap, lets see that was in place for some team called the Soviets…you guys are soooo 1970-80s retro, can we move forward into this century please at least.

The U.S. military is the finest in the world, we have no problem devising a plan and swiftly kicking our opponenets butt with what ever we have available. The issue comes from the politicians. When they finnaly give us the order to go in, they stand back and let us do our thing. Unfourtuneately they always stepp in once they figure all is well instead of staying out of our way till we tell them it is so. The politicians need to stay out of our business unless they are on the front lines with us. We are good at kicking butt but not mich good at being ambasadors of good will, peace and tranquility towards our enemies. And the politicians have yet to learn that just because you kicked thier butt doesnt mean they are going to suddenly become your best friend. If it happened on our soil how many of you would stop fighting just because our government did? fewre people and nations would mess with us or the possibility of going to war with us if they knew we would only come in — kick butt — and leave when we are done. No food and money for the survivors, no new schools or hospitals, no new highways or power stations, just a butt kicking and we come home. We should have been out of Iraq and Afghanistan by the third month, and if they showed any attitude, then we return and kick thier butts harder. would have been a lot cheaper and more of our boys would still be alive today!

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