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> <channel><title>Comments on: Army Planning for Last War?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:27:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: BOOMER</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-2/#comment-11905</link> <dc:creator>BOOMER</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11905</guid> <description>The U.S. military is the finest in the world, we have no problem devising a plan and swiftly kicking our opponenets butt with what ever we have available. The issue comes from the politicians. When they finnaly give us the order to go in, they stand back and let us do our thing. Unfourtuneately they always stepp in once they figure all is well instead of staying out of our way till we tell them it is so. The politicians need to stay out of our business unless they are on the front lines with us. We are good at kicking butt but not mich good at being ambasadors of good will, peace and tranquility towards our enemies. And the politicians have yet to learn that just because you kicked thier butt doesnt mean they are going to suddenly become your best friend. If it happened on our soil how many of you would stop fighting just because our government did? fewre people and nations would mess with us or the possibility of going to war with us if they knew we would only come in - kick butt - and leave when we are done. No food and money for the survivors, no new schools or hospitals, no new highways or power stations, just a butt kicking and we come home. We should have been out of Iraq and Afghanistan by the third month, and if they showed any attitude, then we return and kick thier butts harder. would have been a lot cheaper and more of our boys would still be alive today!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. military is the finest in the world, we have no problem devising a plan and swiftly kicking our opponenets butt with what ever we have available. The issue comes from the politicians. When they finnaly give us the order to go in, they stand back and let us do our thing. Unfourtuneately they always stepp in once they figure all is well instead of staying out of our way till we tell them it is so. The politicians need to stay out of our business unless they are on the front lines with us. We are good at kicking butt but not mich good at being ambasadors of good will, peace and tranquility towards our enemies. And the politicians have yet to learn that just because you kicked thier butt doesnt mean they are going to suddenly become your best friend. If it happened on our soil how many of you would stop fighting just because our government did? fewre people and nations would mess with us or the possibility of going to war with us if they knew we would only come in — kick butt — and leave when we are done. No food and money for the survivors, no new schools or hospitals, no new highways or power stations, just a butt kicking and we come home. We should have been out of Iraq and Afghanistan by the third month, and if they showed any attitude, then we return and kick thier butts harder. would have been a lot cheaper and more of our boys would still be alive today!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: REH</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-2/#comment-11898</link> <dc:creator>REH</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:30:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11898</guid> <description>Wow some people are pushing back on the end of the gravey train... Don&#039;t worry guys there will be plenty of industry jobs after retirement. But it might be a good idea to roll up the two we have going...with a bit of success first.As for the turn around time on design. I just tossed away my old (3 years) laptop and picked up a new one...designed in the 1990s era of the Balkans and delivered in 2015 with tons of costing over run and design upgrade. Why does anyone think that is acceptable? Ok I know that has worked for GM really well.Designing to win in a future that never comes and loosing today, is that smart? Fulda Gap, lets see that was in place for some team called the Soviets...you guys are soooo 1970-80s retro, can we move forward into this century please at least.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow some people are pushing back on the end of the gravey train… Don’t worry guys there will be plenty of industry jobs after retirement. But it might be a good idea to roll up the two we have going…with a bit of success first.</p><p>As for the turn around time on design. I just tossed away my old (3 years) laptop and picked up a new one…designed in the 1990s era of the Balkans and delivered in 2015 with tons of costing over run and design upgrade. Why does anyone think that is acceptable? Ok I know that has worked for GM really well.</p><p>Designing to win in a future that never comes and loosing today, is that smart? Fulda Gap, lets see that was in place for some team called the Soviets…you guys are soooo 1970-80s retro, can we move forward into this century please at least.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carl Rizor</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-2/#comment-11812</link> <dc:creator>Carl Rizor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:02:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11812</guid> <description>It is not going to make any diff what DoD thinks about. With Fake President OB AMA in the White House, the U.S. Military will not have much of anything new to work with. Remember, &quot;The Village Idot From Kenya&quot;, does not give a rats behind about the U.S. getting into more wars. What our troops have now is all they are going to get. OB AMA has spent the farm on waste in the stimmy package and there is nothing left.
The Chi-comms are in D.C. now telling Sec. State Clinton that they will not buy anymore U.S. Government Bonds, as long as the value of the U.S. Money is in the toilet. The Chi-comms own the National Debt and they are telling the OB AMA Clowns to start cutting taxes or they are coming to collect on the debt. Chi-comms are improving their military weapons faster than we can come up with new and better stuff. After all the Chi-comms can buy whatever they want from any person in the U.S.A. That is how they have and do operate.
As for improved relations with them for long mutual agreement, it is them TELLING US, what is going to happen not the other way around!
Do not be fooled by what the liberal national media is putting out about these talks. The Chi-comms are doing ALL the talking and the U.S. is saying, &quot; YES SIR!&quot;
The Chi-comms are true Capitalist NOW and they have NO desire to go back to being a poor country with billions of people.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not going to make any diff what DoD thinks about. With Fake President OB AMA in the White House, the U.S. Military will not have much of anything new to work with. Remember, “The Village Idot From Kenya”, does not give a rats behind about the U.S. getting into more wars. What our troops have now is all they are going to get. OB AMA has spent the farm on waste in the stimmy package and there is nothing left.<br
/> The Chi-comms are in D.C. now telling Sec. State Clinton that they will not buy anymore U.S. Government Bonds, as long as the value of the U.S. Money is in the toilet. The Chi-comms own the National Debt and they are telling the OB AMA Clowns to start cutting taxes or they are coming to collect on the debt. Chi-comms are improving their military weapons faster than we can come up with new and better stuff. After all the Chi-comms can buy whatever they want from any person in the U.S.A. That is how they have and do operate.<br
/> As for improved relations with them for long mutual agreement, it is them TELLING US, what is going to happen not the other way around!<br
/> Do not be fooled by what the liberal national media is putting out about these talks. The Chi-comms are doing ALL the talking and the U.S. is saying, ” YES SIR!“<br
/> The Chi-comms are true Capitalist NOW and they have NO desire to go back to being a poor country with billions of people.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cvn</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-2/#comment-11809</link> <dc:creator>cvn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:49:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11809</guid> <description>Chiefy houston:Brilliant argument there:  &quot;racist, sexist, blah blah blah...These &quot;ists&quot; can&#039;t hold a candle to the IST barry obama is: marxIST...IF anyone needs to grow up it is those who think barry has the best interest of the USA in mind..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiefy houston:</p><p>Brilliant argument there:  “racist, sexist, blah blah blah…</p><p>These “ists” can’t hold a candle to the IST barry obama is: marxIST…</p><p>IF anyone needs to grow up it is those who think barry has the best interest of the USA in mind..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stan</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-2/#comment-11804</link> <dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:10:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11804</guid> <description>All of this is why there were many different types of regiments back in the Napoleanic wars.  We are returning to the days where missions specific training helps create the regiment.In cavalry alone there was light and heavy, hussars, lancers, dragoons/carabineers etc.  An experienced commander would know how and when to use them.We need to do the same now .  We need light infantry, we need cavalry (recon and fast attack), we need special forces, we will need-if only at the begining of a conflicy heavy units of armour and full fledged motorized infantry units.The answer is right in fron of  our eyes.  Relish the different combat solutions these unis potentially provide.  then react and train new units when the need becomes apparent.we sgould even consider a real mounted cavalry unit as a ceremonial and real alternative training unit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this is why there were many different types of regiments back in the Napoleanic wars.  We are returning to the days where missions specific training helps create the regiment.</p><p>In cavalry alone there was light and heavy, hussars, lancers, dragoons/carabineers etc.  An experienced commander would know how and when to use them.</p><p>We need to do the same now .  We need light infantry, we need cavalry (recon and fast attack), we need special forces, we will need-if only at the begining of a conflicy heavy units of armour and full fledged motorized infantry units.</p><p>The answer is right in fron of  our eyes.  Relish the different combat solutions these unis potentially provide.  then react and train new units when the need becomes apparent.</p><p>we sgould even consider a real mounted cavalry unit as a ceremonial and real alternative training unit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Momloui</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11783</link> <dc:creator>Momloui</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11783</guid> <description>&quot;Prepair to fight the war that is at hand and not the one you trained for.&quot; Clawswitz.  How many years did the army pound into your head Air Land Battle? Never happened. Be prepaired to fight two MAJOR battles in two AOs at once. Still waiting. I don&#039;t know who does all the mental masterbation to come up with Training and Docterin but that think tank is as effctive as my spelling.The 101st had some of the bloodiest battles of  Vietnam&#039;s war with America. Hamberger Hill, Tet offensive and the last major and bloody battle in Vietnam for the 101st was Fire Base Ripcord. But along with being the warriors that they were they were also using CI and Civil Affairs tactics trying to &quot;Win the Hearts and Minds&quot; of the Vietnamise citizens.John Paul Vann on CI No collateral Damage!!!Colin Powell   Kill&#039;em all Let God Sort Them Out
What is CI? No senitor there are no atrocities in our AO. Well hello Mai Lai.Well about thirty eight years and the fifth general in Iraq the 101st was back in action being &quot;Warriors and Diplomats&quot; Trying to win the &quot;Harts and Minds&quot;. The 101st was applying the same CI and Civil Affairs tactics used thirty eight years ago. Progress.After the fall of Bahgdad And our heavy forces deserve alot of credit for an outstanding job, it was then that the Great Paul E. Bremmer and the CPA failed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi citizens when the citizens were looking to the coalition for security,inferstruction and work. The people were ready to be won. Mental masterbation strikes Paul E. Bremmer, he does not want to have Bathists or Saddam&#039;s people running security or electric power plants or water distrobution. The people are looting there is very little electricity and water,he is not winnig the hearts and minds,they had more securety power water and jobs when Saddam was in power. Now in the vacuume that he has created rushes in the insurgents to TAKE the hearts and minds and to continue the war.Paul E Bremmer: NOT QUALIFIED.
5 Theater commanders:NOT QUALIFEDAs the last ditch effort we will throw Patreas in.David Patreaus    WROTE THE BOOK!Success.Intelligent leaders with different ideas and having a set of balls to implement their tactics when they know they are correct will be able to adapt to most situations.What is better than Mrap, Stryker if you must use roads? The shoe leather express. Foot patrols with close air. Stryker,MRAP in desert, Not bad. Stryker, MRAP in ASIA, SE ASIA Leave them in the motor pool if they can make it that far.A great asset in wining the hearts and minds of the people would be Joe Snuffy that is intelligent,chrismatic,easy to be around and it would not hurt for him to have a set of balls.  He is your key to success. Sorry got to quit gotta go.Mom LouiVietnam &quot;69-70&quot;   101st ABNIraq &quot;04&quot;   103rd Iraqi National Guard BN</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Prepair to fight the war that is at hand and not the one you trained for.” Clawswitz.  How many years did the army pound into your head Air Land Battle? Never happened. Be prepaired to fight two MAJOR battles in two AOs at once. Still waiting. I don’t know who does all the mental masterbation to come up with Training and Docterin but that think tank is as effctive as my spelling.</p><p> The 101st had some of the bloodiest battles of  Vietnam’s war with America. Hamberger Hill, Tet offensive and the last major and bloody battle in Vietnam for the 101st was Fire Base Ripcord. But along with being the warriors that they were they were also using CI and Civil Affairs tactics trying to “Win the Hearts and Minds” of the Vietnamise citizens.</p><p>John Paul Vann on CI No collateral Damage!!!</p><p>Colin Powell   Kill’em all Let God Sort Them Out<br
/> What is CI? No senitor there are no atrocities in our AO. Well hello Mai Lai.</p><p> Well about thirty eight years and the fifth general in Iraq the 101st was back in action being “Warriors and Diplomats” Trying to win the “Harts and Minds”. The 101st was applying the same CI and Civil Affairs tactics used thirty eight years ago. Progress.</p><p> After the fall of Bahgdad And our heavy forces deserve alot of credit for an outstanding job, it was then that the Great Paul E. Bremmer and the CPA failed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi citizens when the citizens were looking to the coalition for security,inferstruction and work. The people were ready to be won. Mental masterbation strikes Paul E. Bremmer, he does not want to have Bathists or Saddam’s people running security or electric power plants or water distrobution. The people are looting there is very little electricity and water,he is not winnig the hearts and minds,they had more securety power water and jobs when Saddam was in power. Now in the vacuume that he has created rushes in the insurgents to TAKE the hearts and minds and to continue the war.</p><p>Paul E Bremmer: NOT QUALIFIED.<br
/> 5 Theater commanders:NOT QUALIFED</p><p>As the last ditch effort we will throw Patreas in.</p><p>David Patreaus    WROTE THE BOOK!</p><p>Success.</p><p>Intelligent leaders with different ideas and having a set of balls to implement their tactics when they know they are correct will be able to adapt to most situations.</p><p>What is better than Mrap, Stryker if you must use roads? The shoe leather express. Foot patrols with close air. Stryker,MRAP in desert, Not bad. Stryker, MRAP in ASIA, SE ASIA Leave them in the motor pool if they can make it that far.</p><p> A great asset in wining the hearts and minds of the people would be Joe Snuffy that is intelligent,chrismatic,easy to be around and it would not hurt for him to have a set of balls.  He is your key to success. Sorry got to quit gotta go.</p><p>Mom Loui</p><p>Vietnam “69–70″   101st ABN</p><p>Iraq “04”   103rd Iraqi National Guard BN</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Johnny Fly</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11768</link> <dc:creator>Johnny Fly</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:28:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11768</guid> <description>From a guy with recent Pentagon experience...At the heart of the matter is Pentagon leadership that is almost wholly focused on current operations, at the expense of near-, mid- and far-term strategic thought and shaping activities - which is why the Pentagon exists.Combatant Commanders can handle the current fight, and yes, Pentagon leadership must adjust programs to provide responsive capability where their predecessors &quot;got it wrong&quot;; however, trying to be an &quot;operator&quot; versus a &quot;strategic planner&quot; in the building (because we are comfortable with the certianty of current ops and uncomfortable with the myriad risks associated with resourcing for the far-term) reflects poorly on Pentagon leadership.Resourcing the solutions for an ever-present strategy to capability mis-match is tough work, but it must be the focus of the Secretary of Defense on down in the Pentagon - lest we risk taking one in the &quot;loss&quot; column with unimagineable consequences.Thank God for the professional Non-Commissioned Officer Corps that acts as lubrication for this innate friction in our system, and solves for the second, third, fourth order effects between decisions in the Pentagon and decisions/outcomes in the battle space!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a guy with recent Pentagon experience…At the heart of the matter is Pentagon leadership that is almost wholly focused on current operations, at the expense of near-, mid– and far-term strategic thought and shaping activities — which is why the Pentagon exists.</p><p>Combatant Commanders can handle the current fight, and yes, Pentagon leadership must adjust programs to provide responsive capability where their predecessors “got it wrong”; however, trying to be an “operator” versus a “strategic planner” in the building (because we are comfortable with the certianty of current ops and uncomfortable with the myriad risks associated with resourcing for the far-term) reflects poorly on Pentagon leadership.</p><p>Resourcing the solutions for an ever-present strategy to capability mis-match is tough work, but it must be the focus of the Secretary of Defense on down in the Pentagon — lest we risk taking one in the “loss” column with unimagineable consequences.</p><p>Thank God for the professional Non-Commissioned Officer Corps that acts as lubrication for this innate friction in our system, and solves for the second, third, fourth order effects between decisions in the Pentagon and decisions/outcomes in the battle space!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Donald Grant Cheesman</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11748</link> <dc:creator>Donald Grant Cheesman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:29:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11748</guid> <description>Planning, vision and reason are wonderful tools; not decision makers.  USArmy leaders,
on the ground in our current fights, have a
vision--also--and Sec Gates should not ignore
that visions value; when considering and
planning the future army mission...  It is
easy to explain that those who look into the
future and plan for the last war are foolish--
but---the army leadership must consider which foolish genius has the plan to end the current war (s)?  Has the &quot; GLOBAR WAR ON TERROR &quot; been won; is it over, as we set for the next war?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planning, vision and reason are wonderful tools; not decision makers.  USArmy leaders,<br
/> on the ground in our current fights, have a<br
/> vision–also–and Sec Gates should not ignore<br
/> that visions value; when considering and<br
/> planning the future army mission…  It is<br
/> easy to explain that those who look into the<br
/> future and plan for the last war are foolish–<br
/> but—the army leadership must consider which foolish genius has the plan to end the current war (s)?  Has the ” GLOBAR WAR ON TERROR ” been won; is it over, as we set for the next war?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: robert c brenzel, sr</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11746</link> <dc:creator>robert c brenzel, sr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:22:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11746</guid> <description>This has been educational up to a point.  The post that lauded &quot;The Air Force as not needing to justify itself after every election and doesn&#039;t change its doctrine every 8 or ten years&quot;. hasn&#039;t lived the history that I have (AF 54 to 87). Big and little things (use of Bombers and uniforms, where do acft mech&#039;s belong with fighters or in the rear with the gear, come and go with 4 star rotations along with SecDef&#039;s and AAF&#039;s.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been educational up to a point.  The post that lauded “The Air Force as not needing to justify itself after every election and doesn’t change its doctrine every 8 or ten years”. hasn’t lived the history that I have (AF 54 to 87). Big and little things (use of Bombers and uniforms, where do acft mech’s belong with fighters or in the rear with the gear, come and go with 4 star rotations along with SecDef’s and AAF’s.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Katzman</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11745</link> <dc:creator>Joe Katzman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:53:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11745</guid> <description>&quot;“Try using MRAPs in a jungle,” he said for effect, noting the likelihood of conflict somewhere in Asia.&quot;Try using 28 ton tracked FCS vehicles.In the jungle itself, neither will help all that much. On roads, which still have to be protected for logistics, MRAPs will still be very helpful. MRAPs will also work just fine in any African operations, and are beginning to see use on the Mexican border.If you want armor for the jungle, you want smaller things like Wiesels and Bv206S/BvS10/Bronco tracked vehicles. Which folks like the Swedes and German paratroopers have. The British have also found their BvS10s extremely useful in Afghanistan, where wheeled vehicles, including MRAPs, have real issues off-road.The other thing that works in Afghanistan are the 60+ ton tanks, whose weight is needed to deal with mud walls around villages.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>““Try using MRAPs in a jungle,” he said for effect, noting the likelihood of conflict somewhere in Asia.”</p><p>Try using 28 ton tracked FCS vehicles.</p><p>In the jungle itself, neither will help all that much. On roads, which still have to be protected for logistics, MRAPs will still be very helpful. MRAPs will also work just fine in any African operations, and are beginning to see use on the Mexican border.</p><p>If you want armor for the jungle, you want smaller things like Wiesels and Bv206S/BvS10/Bronco tracked vehicles. Which folks like the Swedes and German paratroopers have. The British have also found their BvS10s extremely useful in Afghanistan, where wheeled vehicles, including MRAPs, have real issues off-road.</p><p>The other thing that works in Afghanistan are the 60+ ton tanks, whose weight is needed to deal with mud walls around villages.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill R</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11741</link> <dc:creator>Bill R</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:58:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11741</guid> <description>I have a good friend and colleague who is being redeployed. Like myself, this guy is a history buff. As we talked the other day, I spotted on his bookshelf this very interesting book on the post-Korean War Army, a book written by Bacevich in the mid-80s:http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201980%20to%201989/Pentomic%20Era%20-%20July%2086/PENTER.pdf&quot;The Pentomic Era: The US Army Between Korea and Vietnam&quot;This book is a classic. It is filled with quotes from heavy hitters like William DePuy and Jack Cushman, from a time when those men were field grade officers. Change the names and the circumstances, it could be front line news as to what is happening to the U.S. Army today.We do need to understand why it is that the U.S. Army is particularly subjected to each stroke of the electoral cycle, and why it is forced to engage in radical transformative ventures, why it is compelled to continuously redefine its business model. No other army in the world does this. The Marine Corps and the Air Force do not have to wage a continuous battle to justify their existence - or their acquisition programs. They do not junk their doctrine and rewrite it from scratch every 8-10 years.Part of it, I believe, is that the U.S. Army is always overextended; part of it, I think, stems from an intrinsic American dislike of standing armies. And then there is our national tendency, only partly muted since WWII, to fall into military disrepair and unreadiness during times of (relative) peace. How would we mobilize if we needed a much larger army ever again ? This is not a new problem. The Army&#039;s end strength in the 1950s fell into the 800K range for only 14 divisions of 11K men apiece. Pathetic force generation...just pathetic. But then, this was an army of draftees. Conventional ops ? No, that was outmoded Cold War thinking - the Army was to break with the past, with the last war. The Korean War. We would never be fighting a war like that again.What the record shows is that in the 50s, the Army went over the top in designing a force supposedly optimized for high intensity conflict, under Eisenhower&#039;s New Look, with SecDef Charles Wilson foreshadowing Rumsfeld and Gates in browbeating the Army leadership. Replace the Crusader, the AGS, and the FCS MGV with the T113 (the prototype M113) and the story is the same. Megabucks for missiles (the latest fad in the inventory), pennies for ground combat vehicles.After Kennedy&#039;s election, the pendulum swung towards low intensity conflict. Many of the arguments the Army made to counter the New Look came back to haunt it during the 60s. It was only after the Vietnam debacle, under the leadership of Abrams and Depuy, that the Army rediscovered its center. Nonetheless, the strategic tension remained, as many of us well recall; Bacevich reveals himself in the 1986 book to be as pro-LIC as he is today. He actively opines that the US should have declared itself to be an international police force on the model of the Roman imperium back in &#039;55.I do find it difficult to fault the Army leadership for this situation; Truman and Eisenhower ended the careers of Douglas MacArthur and Matthew Ridgeway. Bush and Obama ended the careers of Shinseki and McKiernan: what, pray tell, has changed ? Conclusion: while Goure&#039;s premise is correct, his evaluation of the problem&#039;s cause is flawed.In a proliferated world, what makes us think there is no room for pentomic divisions ? If anything, we should reflect that the pentomic era&#039;s operational motto of flexibility, mobility and depth prefigured our Air Land Battle tenets of agility, initiative, depth and synchronization - words that I now understand to have be buried at Fort Leavenworth.There are warriors in the ranks of the generals. Men of common sense and toughness, the Tex Goodspeeds of my generation. The Army of the Future awaits their lead, when all this has played out.Klotzen, nicht kleckern.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a good friend and colleague who is being redeployed. Like myself, this guy is a history buff. As we talked the other day, I spotted on his bookshelf this very interesting book on the post-Korean War Army, a book written by Bacevich in the mid-80s:</p><p><a
href="http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201980%20to%201989/Pentomic%20Era%20-%20July%2086/PENTER.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201980%20to%201989/Pentomic%20Era%20-%20July%2086/PENTER.pdf</a></p><p>“The Pentomic Era: The US Army Between Korea and Vietnam”</p><p>This book is a classic. It is filled with quotes from heavy hitters like William DePuy and Jack Cushman, from a time when those men were field grade officers. Change the names and the circumstances, it could be front line news as to what is happening to the U.S. Army today.</p><p>We do need to understand why it is that the U.S. Army is particularly subjected to each stroke of the electoral cycle, and why it is forced to engage in radical transformative ventures, why it is compelled to continuously redefine its business model. No other army in the world does this. The Marine Corps and the Air Force do not have to wage a continuous battle to justify their existence — or their acquisition programs. They do not junk their doctrine and rewrite it from scratch every 8–10 years.</p><p>Part of it, I believe, is that the U.S. Army is always overextended; part of it, I think, stems from an intrinsic American dislike of standing armies. And then there is our national tendency, only partly muted since WWII, to fall into military disrepair and unreadiness during times of (relative) peace. How would we mobilize if we needed a much larger army ever again ? This is not a new problem. The Army’s end strength in the 1950s fell into the 800K range for only 14 divisions of 11K men apiece. Pathetic force generation…just pathetic. But then, this was an army of draftees. Conventional ops ? No, that was outmoded Cold War thinking — the Army was to break with the past, with the last war. The Korean War. We would never be fighting a war like that again.</p><p>What the record shows is that in the 50s, the Army went over the top in designing a force supposedly optimized for high intensity conflict, under Eisenhower’s New Look, with SecDef Charles Wilson foreshadowing Rumsfeld and Gates in browbeating the Army leadership. Replace the Crusader, the AGS, and the FCS MGV with the T113 (the prototype M113) and the story is the same. Megabucks for missiles (the latest fad in the inventory), pennies for ground combat vehicles.</p><p>After Kennedy’s election, the pendulum swung towards low intensity conflict. Many of the arguments the Army made to counter the New Look came back to haunt it during the 60s. It was only after the Vietnam debacle, under the leadership of Abrams and Depuy, that the Army rediscovered its center. Nonetheless, the strategic tension remained, as many of us well recall; Bacevich reveals himself in the 1986 book to be as pro-LIC as he is today. He actively opines that the US should have declared itself to be an international police force on the model of the Roman imperium back in ’55.</p><p>I do find it difficult to fault the Army leadership for this situation; Truman and Eisenhower ended the careers of Douglas MacArthur and Matthew Ridgeway. Bush and Obama ended the careers of Shinseki and McKiernan: what, pray tell, has changed ? Conclusion: while Goure’s premise is correct, his evaluation of the problem’s cause is flawed.</p><p>In a proliferated world, what makes us think there is no room for pentomic divisions ? If anything, we should reflect that the pentomic era’s operational motto of flexibility, mobility and depth prefigured our Air Land Battle tenets of agility, initiative, depth and synchronization — words that I now understand to have be buried at Fort Leavenworth.</p><p>There are warriors in the ranks of the generals. Men of common sense and toughness, the Tex Goodspeeds of my generation. The Army of the Future awaits their lead, when all this has played out.</p><p>Klotzen, nicht kleckern.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: VJ2044</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11738</link> <dc:creator>VJ2044</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:29:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11738</guid> <description>i have never gone to war, but still i was in svcs (USArmy)at the begging of nam. did not like then and still don&#039;t. we need more manpower and vehicles to do the job right.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have never gone to war, but still i was in svcs (USArmy)at the begging of nam. did not like then and still don’t. we need more manpower and vehicles to do the job right.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Silver Wings</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11733</link> <dc:creator>Silver Wings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11733</guid> <description>History shows that we always are ready to fight the last war, as we go into the next one.  Every nation has done that for all of history with only a few exceptions.  The US has never been one of those exceptions.My war was Nam for two tours but we were always getting ready for change.  Declaring that whatever is happening needs change is how people get promoted so it is essential that every new politician and every new officer or commander announce they will make changes.  Then all the footsoldiers (enlisted and junior officers) have to change so those guys can get promoted or re-elected.  That won&#039;t ever change.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History shows that we always are ready to fight the last war, as we go into the next one.  Every nation has done that for all of history with only a few exceptions.  The US has never been one of those exceptions.</p><p>My war was Nam for two tours but we were always getting ready for change.  Declaring that whatever is happening needs change is how people get promoted so it is essential that every new politician and every new officer or commander announce they will make changes.  Then all the footsoldiers (enlisted and junior officers) have to change so those guys can get promoted or re-elected.  That won’t ever change.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: old sarge</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11722</link> <dc:creator>old sarge</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:43:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11722</guid> <description>the military is always in the middleof change. so thereis no one way to say, this is how we will fight a conflict. the military is always 3 to 5 years behind on how to handle any given situation. an we have no idea what our next conflict will be, thats why we are better prepared for most situations. an where were all these compaints when good old W. WAS SCREWING EVERYTHING UP FOR 8 YEARS. OBAMA hasn&#039;t started a bunch of crap to cover up what is really going on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the military is always in the middleof change. so thereis no one way to say, this is how we will fight a conflict. the military is always 3 to 5 years behind on how to handle any given situation. an we have no idea what our next conflict will be, thats why we are better prepared for most situations. an where were all these compaints when good old W. WAS SCREWING EVERYTHING UP FOR 8 YEARS. OBAMA hasn’t started a bunch of crap to cover up what is really going on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pennst98</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11692</link> <dc:creator>pennst98</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11692</guid> <description>I completely disagree with the General, though I thank him for his service and candor.The reason why so many Senior Military Officers are opposed to hybrid warfare (and other approaches to conflict) is that once you examine this new type of warfare, you realize how increasingly irrelevant and inefficient the modern military command structure is.Our command structures are built to command and control very large armies against organized enemy forces as large (if not larger. Without a command and control structure on the other side to oppose and analyze, the modern military senior staff and its echelons of officers and senior advisors serve little purpose beyond interference. After it isn&#039;t like we&#039;re fighting a single organized enemy force that can be outmaneuvered or whittled down through attrition; we’re dealing with dozens  if not hundreds of smaller groups all of whom share little in common beyond a distrust of outsiders.Do you still need central command and supervision?? SURE! But the question they all fear is how many? In counterinsurgency and other hybrid wars the Captain, and Sergeant take on duties and command authority once reserved for Majors and Colonels. Taken to its logical conclusion it also makes one wonder just how much all this organizational “command” inefficiency costs us in both fighting strength and effectiveness??How many levels of command DOES it take to change a light bulb?? How many squads and supporting equipment you could get if you cut out all that dead weight??Now you know....and now you know, and knowing is half the battle.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely disagree with the General, though I thank him for his service and candor.</p><p>The reason why so many Senior Military Officers are opposed to hybrid warfare (and other approaches to conflict) is that once you examine this new type of warfare, you realize how increasingly irrelevant and inefficient the modern military command structure is.</p><p>Our command structures are built to command and control very large armies against organized enemy forces as large (if not larger. Without a command and control structure on the other side to oppose and analyze, the modern military senior staff and its echelons of officers and senior advisors serve little purpose beyond interference. After it isn’t like we’re fighting a single organized enemy force that can be outmaneuvered or whittled down through attrition; we’re dealing with dozens  if not hundreds of smaller groups all of whom share little in common beyond a distrust of outsiders.</p><p>Do you still need central command and supervision?? SURE! But the question they all fear is how many? In counterinsurgency and other hybrid wars the Captain, and Sergeant take on duties and command authority once reserved for Majors and Colonels. Taken to its logical conclusion it also makes one wonder just how much all this organizational “command” inefficiency costs us in both fighting strength and effectiveness??</p><p>How many levels of command DOES it take to change a light bulb?? How many squads and supporting equipment you could get if you cut out all that dead weight??</p><p>Now you know.…and now you know, and knowing is half the battle.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BuddhalovesPaine</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11637</link> <dc:creator>BuddhalovesPaine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11637</guid> <description>Cole, thank you for giving me so much of your time.  I will get back with you when my time out in the corner is over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole, thank you for giving me so much of your time.  I will get back with you when my time out in the corner is over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BuddhalovesPaine</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11582</link> <dc:creator>BuddhalovesPaine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:09:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11582</guid> <description>Daniel, for now this is my newsletter.  If I remember correctly I can not provide links to outside sources but perhaps I can provide a clue.
Stan Goff is a Feral Scholar.  WayneMadsen Report is in DC.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, for now this is my newsletter.  If I remember correctly I can not provide links to outside sources but perhaps I can provide a clue.<br
/> Stan Goff is a Feral Scholar.  WayneMadsen Report is in DC.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cole</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11576</link> <dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11576</guid> <description>All the criticism, all the time, without a single realistic alternative to war in many scenarios. But do agree that some of that list may not lead to war.Globalization: Keeps India and China on our side when other problems might otherwise tear us apart. It&#039;s irritating that they get to pollute (and guzzle cheaper gas rather than more expensive alternate energy sources) to their hearts content while we will go bankrupt trying to change global temps a few degrees.Resources: Potential source of conflict over dwindling oil supplies: Drilling near China seas and in arctic may lead to trouble. Kurds/Shiites/Sunnis not sharing oil? Venezuela may seize too much U.S. industry and corrupt neighbors. Just remember: Citgo equals Venezuela gas...don&#039;t buy it.Youth bulge: Pot calling kettle black...Europeans (you&#039;re in Germany right?) welcoming so may muslims into their countries are inviting trouble when there are no jobs. In contrast, American muslims are fairly satisfied because they have work and freedoms without outrageous European taxes...at least up until now.Rogue states: When they get more nukes and give them to terrorists and neighbors who use them on U.S./Europe...THAT will be the start of a major war with mass casualties. It may be unavoidable but shouldn&#039;t we at least TRY to delay the possibility until missile defense and detection of nuclear materials improve?Russians: Want to control Europe&#039;s oil/natural gas and former spheres of influence, but that pesky globalization that you despise works against them. Unfortunately, alliance like NATO may lead to war when sensitive location newcomers want to join.Chinese: Back to that pesky globalization entangling our interests and reducing the liklihood of war. Same intertwined interests between Taiwan and PRCIsrael: They don&#039;t need our help, other than maybe counter-TBM/rocket tech. WE may need their help on Iran to delay their nuke program to keep them out of Hezbollah hands.For someone who lives in Germany, you sure gotta lot of nerve to critize warlike Americans and NATO. Do you think &quot;East Germany&quot; is better or worse off being part of Germany than the Eastern Bloc?? BTW, my wife is half German and her German mom lived in Brun (Czech Republic) and barely got out to Germany before the Russians came through...and decided to stay.Maybe we should have let the German finish off the Jews and seize all of Europe and the Soviet Union. Maybe we should have let the Soviets have Europe instead of standing up to them in the Cold War? Are Japan and Germany nicer world citizens now thanks to allied efforts to thwart their aggression...instead of appeasing it?So tell me genius. What should we do when terrorists use Chem/Bio/Dirty bomb WMD in Europe and North Korea starts handing out nukes like candy to high bidders? What if Iran threatens oil supplies leaving the Straits of Hormuz and gives nukes to Hezbollah?Would America have been better off in a primitive state or occupied by the current melting pot? It isn&#039;t like there were millions of native americans when we came to town. We screwed up on slavery, but do you think African-Americans ancestors of slaves or Hispanic-Americans, Indian-Americans, Asian-Americans etc. are better off here or in Africa/Mexico/India/Asia? Sometimes when folks learn to live together, it works out for everyone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the criticism, all the time, without a single realistic alternative to war in many scenarios. But do agree that some of that list may not lead to war.</p><p>Globalization: Keeps India and China on our side when other problems might otherwise tear us apart. It’s irritating that they get to pollute (and guzzle cheaper gas rather than more expensive alternate energy sources) to their hearts content while we will go bankrupt trying to change global temps a few degrees.</p><p>Resources: Potential source of conflict over dwindling oil supplies: Drilling near China seas and in arctic may lead to trouble. Kurds/Shiites/Sunnis not sharing oil? Venezuela may seize too much U.S. industry and corrupt neighbors. Just remember: Citgo equals Venezuela gas…don’t buy it.</p><p>Youth bulge: Pot calling kettle black…Europeans (you’re in Germany right?) welcoming so may muslims into their countries are inviting trouble when there are no jobs. In contrast, American muslims are fairly satisfied because they have work and freedoms without outrageous European taxes…at least up until now.</p><p>Rogue states: When they get more nukes and give them to terrorists and neighbors who use them on U.S./Europe…THAT will be the start of a major war with mass casualties. It may be unavoidable but shouldn’t we at least TRY to delay the possibility until missile defense and detection of nuclear materials improve?</p><p>Russians: Want to control Europe’s oil/natural gas and former spheres of influence, but that pesky globalization that you despise works against them. Unfortunately, alliance like NATO may lead to war when sensitive location newcomers want to join.</p><p>Chinese: Back to that pesky globalization entangling our interests and reducing the liklihood of war. Same intertwined interests between Taiwan and PRC</p><p>Israel: They don’t need our help, other than maybe counter-TBM/rocket tech. WE may need their help on Iran to delay their nuke program to keep them out of Hezbollah hands.</p><p>For someone who lives in Germany, you sure gotta lot of nerve to critize warlike Americans and NATO. Do you think “East Germany” is better or worse off being part of Germany than the Eastern Bloc?? BTW, my wife is half German and her German mom lived in Brun (Czech Republic) and barely got out to Germany before the Russians came through…and decided to stay.</p><p>Maybe we should have let the German finish off the Jews and seize all of Europe and the Soviet Union. Maybe we should have let the Soviets have Europe instead of standing up to them in the Cold War? Are Japan and Germany nicer world citizens now thanks to allied efforts to thwart their aggression…instead of appeasing it?</p><p>So tell me genius. What should we do when terrorists use Chem/Bio/Dirty bomb WMD in Europe and North Korea starts handing out nukes like candy to high bidders? What if Iran threatens oil supplies leaving the Straits of Hormuz and gives nukes to Hezbollah?</p><p>Would America have been better off in a primitive state or occupied by the current melting pot? It isn’t like there were millions of native americans when we came to town. We screwed up on slavery, but do you think African-Americans ancestors of slaves or Hispanic-Americans, Indian-Americans, Asian-Americans etc. are better off here or in Africa/Mexico/India/Asia? Sometimes when folks learn to live together, it works out for everyone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TB</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11575</link> <dc:creator>TB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11575</guid> <description>Secretary Gates never said he wanted to rebuild the US Army to just fight insurgencies. He actually spelled out a force ratio (don&#039;t remember the numbers) which allocated certain percentages of the army for conventional or irregular warfare.  He wants to make sure we&#039;re successful in the current fight (which is by no means over) and keep that institutional knowledge and equipment for when we&#039;ll need it again down the road while we keep our great conventional abilities.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secretary Gates never said he wanted to rebuild the US Army to just fight insurgencies. He actually spelled out a force ratio (don’t remember the numbers) which allocated certain percentages of the army for conventional or irregular warfare.  He wants to make sure we’re successful in the current fight (which is by no means over) and keep that institutional knowledge and equipment for when we’ll need it again down the road while we keep our great conventional abilities.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/07/24/army-planning-for-last-war/comment-page-1/#comment-11573</link> <dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:37:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=8199#comment-11573</guid> <description>buddha i find what you say very interesting and would like to subscribe to your news letter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buddha i find what you say very interesting and would like to subscribe to your news letter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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