Congress ‘Concerned’ About Afghan War

Congress ‘Concerned’ About Afghan War

In what appears to be the first official expression of deep concern on the Hill about the war in Afghanistan, the House spending bill report says the appropriations committee is “concerned” about an “open-ended U.S. commitment” in a country long known for “successfully rebuffing foreign military intervention.”

Although the House Appropriations Committee did not use the blunt tool of cutting spending for the war, which would bring howls of protest that they were shortchanging troops in the field, the committee wants a detailed update from the National Security Advisor and the Defense Secretary every 180 days. The report will include an administration assessment of “the overall prospects for lasting stability in Afghanistan.”

When the administration released its Afghanistan strategy few lawmakers questioned it. For the most part, there was a brief love fest after the strategy’s release with many lawmakers praising President Obama’s administration for focusing on the remote land, sending more troops and putting more emphasis on so-called soft power elements.


Now one of the most powerful group of defense lawmakers is raising questions about that focus and is telling the White House that, while they do get reports mandated by section 1230 of the 2008 defense authorization act, this does not provide a clear view of “how much time and resources the United States will commit” if things don’t go well. One expert familiar said that it was unclear whether Congress could order the National Security Advisor to participate in a study since he is a personal advisor to the president and not head of a government department, adding that the fact the HAC-D wanted the input of Jim Jones was a clear signal of the subcommittee’s unease.

Another expert said the HAC-D was on the right track. “Subcommittee members are right to be concerned; because there is little evidence U.S. soldiers can change Afghan culture. But we don’t really need to. When you encounter a country that is corrupt to the core, the answer isn’t to reform them, it’s to buy them off,” said Loren Thompson, defense analyst with the Lexington Institute. His solution would be appreciated by the masterful British agent, T. E. Lawrence: “So pay the warlords and the poppy-growers and pursue the more focused mission of wiping out Taliban sympathizers. Once the money starts flowing, there won’t be many of those. I give the Obama Administration about one fiscal quarter before it realizes it would rather spend American money in Afghanistan than American lives. Perhaps the slogan for a more sustainable policy might be ‘Smart power begins with hard cash.’”

A former National Security Council staffer, Robbin Laird, said the administration has missed the boat on Afghanistan and on the withdrawal from Iraq. “Neither have been well thought out. The problem is that we have no withdrawal plan for Iraq nor a clear strategy for after our withdrawal. And the administration has replaced the initial Afghanistan plan with its one-theater, two country strategy. I simply do not understand what that means in terms of resources and commitments,” said Laird, who is now a defense consultant. However, he thinks we will soon get some answers: “The coming UK elections will force the U.S. hand in explaining publicly what we’re doing” because the British pubic is clearly wavering in its support for the presence of Tommies in Afghanistan.

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the answer isn’t to reform them, it’s to buy them off,” said Loren Thompson, defense analyst with the Lexington Institute. His solution would be appreciated by the masterful British agent, T. E. Lawrence: “So pay the warlords and the poppy-growers and pursue the more focused mission of wiping out Taliban sympathizers.
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Alot of sensible advise coming out of Lexington lately. How are you going to pay the poppy-growers off if the Taliban are already threatening many of them with death if they don’t grow poppy for them? All you are going to do with this strategy is pay the poppy growers, and a larger percentage of the cut will still end up going to the Taliban. Moreover, Pakistan has also already shown how effective paying these guys off is-they can’t be bought. As for wiping out Taliban sympathizers? That could be everyone or anyone at any particular moment of time. Lexington apparently feels we can kill our way out of this. I’m glad we have Gen. McChrystal calling the shots instead of Lexingtion.

Why isn’t Loren Thompson our Secretary of Defense? I feel like such a cynic (an unfamilar role for me if you can believe it!) when I would reply that the “over all prospect for lasting stability” are extremely poor! Just ask Boris Gromov since he has a lot of experience in the area of Afghan stability.

We should just turn this back over to the Afghans and tell them that if they come out of there again and bug us — we’ll come back and kick their ass.

If they cut money to troops in the field the troops might not be in the field.

Loren Thompson as SecDef, lets pray that G-D doesn’t have that sick a sense of humor. Gen. McChrystal is the best there is so lets listen to his advice.

Remember this little bit from Thompson in 2003 regarding Iraqi WMDs:
Arguing for patience, Loren Thompson of the Washington-based Lexington Institute noted that U.N. inspections struggled with Iraq for a dozen years and could not find all they were looking for.

“I don’t think the expectation was that this stuff would be sticking out like a sore thumb,” he said. “I think eventually they’ll find the weapons, but the important point is that the government that would have thought to use them against us is gone.”

Judging from these comments, my first act as defense secretary should be to requisition an MRAP for personal transportation. I’m sorry to sound cynical about Afghanistan, but where is the historical basis for optimism?

Can we pacify the country, stop the Afghans from supplying most of the world’s opiates, and deprive the Taliban of its base of operations? Sure we can! But it will take 100,000 U.S. soldiers on the ground for a decade and hundreds of billions of dollars. If you think that is too high a price to pay, or that the Obama Administration will panic when the going gets tough, then some simpler, less ambitious options are in order. Rather than try to change the Afghans — a holeless task — I would just approach them on their own terms and do a deal. Buy their loyalty (and their opium crop) and concentrate on killing the handful of crazies who can’t be converted.

Mr. Thompson I am very glad you posted your concerns now let me offer my oppinion, I speak only for myself. If we fail to provide a stable security force in Afghan territory the Taliban will return in rapid order and with the material support of neighboring countries to secure the entire nation under their rather harsh rule. Why will they be funded in this effort, because there remains the fear that the Afghan government is too corrupt and insecure to retain control and that other regional nations will step into such a vacuum(specifically India). Pakistan must be assured that we intend to commit the necessary investitures to allow Afghanistan to stabilize. Those who say the Afghans have always remained frozen in a 13th century mindset are completely wrong. In the 1960’s and 1970’s the state was in fact developing while and a regional supplier of food stuffs(as hard to believe as that may be) of course then came 1979 following which our proxy war with the Soviets destroyed all institutions and vestments of a state. For the 30 years the world allowed Afghanistan to wallow in this misery and we by the way trained recruited and supplied some of the most heinous violators of the civil population. Will the American public commit to such a task remains uncertain but the other option is again a completley broken state ruled by the most violent and virulent form of extremeists. We will have little interdiction ability in the nation once we leave except for occasional bombing runs that will be little more effective than our efforts previous to 2001 to neutralize the Al-Qaeda threat.
Perhaps our nations leaders should be honest with the American people as to our contributions to converting afghanistan into its current terrible state from 1979 to 1988 after which we left the Afghans to fend for themselves and reap the terrible crop we sewed in the form of the Taliban whose creation we significantly contributed to.
Also you need not procure an MRAP although the discussions on this post can at times become a bit heated due to the topic of discussion and the current state of flux the world is in presently.

THIS is to deubunk the screenname threadtheneed’es comment.. All that would be accomplished by cutting supplies to troops in the field would be less-prepared and less-equipped soldiers to perform the tasks at hand, ultimately equalling more wounded and killed U.S. troops.. Politicians (/The President/house/congress) will do what they do no matter how un-intelligent. But moreover; cutting supplies is the most un-intelligent thing I have ever heard in my life.

well.……we could pull completely out of Korea

to get in practice for the advance to the rear.

It’s time to leave the north koreans to china

and russia any way

I know that our contry is in A mess, and the biggest mess is MR OBAMA he is trying his best to put our contry in A big mess and he has done A very good job of it, putting our contry in harms way and doing nothing nothing but making our people out of work and comming up with A health package that is no good and will not help our contry one bit, and he has did nothing at all except for putting himself above his contry, our main problem right now is WAR AND GETTING THE WAR OVER WITH and the ECONMEY IS SECONT AND NIOT FIRST

wow.
i’ve seen immigrants with better spelling and grammar than that…

People keep dumping on Obama, but he is not responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. That came about because our former commander in chief took his eye off the ball in Afghanistan so he could pursue his ambitions for Iraq. I’m not saying the war in Iraq doesn’t have its justification, though many others question that, but I think the diversion of military resources to Iraq certainly didn’t help our efforts in Afghanistan. As for “madashell,” you need to get a dictionary and try learning how to spell. I’m not saying this as a criticism but to suggest people might take your ideas a little more seriously if you did.

Having said that, I want to add that I’m grateful to everyone in the military for the sacrifices they make for our great country. Thanks for that. — Mike, a Department of the Army civilian employee

This is nothing more than another attack from within. The peace and love people has made it clear they are going to end the wars. No mention of winning, just ending. If we think back to the beginning of OIF/OEF T.K. And his rum soaked buddies pounding their fists insisting we are getting in to another Vietnam, and since have done what ever they can to make it so.

“while they do get reports mandated by section 1230 of the 2008 defense authorization act, this does not provide a clear view of “how much time and resources the United States will commit” if things don’t go well. “ What is this crap! Now they’re Generals, brilliant strategist? what the H? How much time and resources if things don’t go well? If they (the appropriations committee) do their job up front and quit whining about how long the war will last, and give the soldiers on the ground what they need, meanwhile UNTIEING THEIR HANDS and let them fight on even ground this won’t be an issue. These concerns raised are just the beginning of a debate of a pullout of Afghanistan now that Iraq is on the way out.

This is part of war fighting Washington does not understand because they are too busy posturing. If the enemy thinks we are united and in for the long fight they will have a different out look. Much like standing up to a bully at school. The only way to stop it is to look him in the eye and say enough then pop him in the mouth! This may cause a physical altercation, but at that point the bully has to make a decision. 1. Fight, this is a guarantee someone will get hurt. No guarantee he will win. Further he may win the fight, but at what cost? 2. not fight, now the bully knows that if he is going to pick on someone he will have to fight. Intimidation will no longer work.

After you make the stand you cannot back down as this will embolden the bully. He will sense that you blinked first. Then you’ll have the same problem all over again, but now it is worst, because he knows you have no resolve and if he keeps the pressure on you, you will back down.

Well guess what, we have already blinked once. I don’t think we need to again. Turn our war fighters loose to do their jobs, know that they won’t stop until the mission is complete, and support them in words and actions. But remember, The enemy is always watching.

I fully agree with Mike Cast above. President Bush has given the U.S. Military the gift that keeps on giving, but his Secretary of Defense has continued to allow that gift to grow in value.

I truly do not believe, for one minute, that there is, or will be, a truly viable Civil-Military Campaign Plan for Afghanistan; anymore than there was an overall Campaign Plan for Iraq in 2003.

Why? Several reasons the OPTEMPO coming out of the Pentagon is far too pressurized and priority time sensitive to accomplish, even close, to any meaningful civil-military dialogue, let alone meaningful interaction on the ground.

The folks appearing to have the tasker for writing, gather forces, and implementing an effective Civil-Military Campaign Plan, have been given a time frame of less than 16 months to accomplish that task. Everything seems geared toward having all of that completed by the 2010 Mid-Term Elections.

We truly are not winning the real, lasting, Peace in Iraq, or Afghanistan, because we are not training to perform that task. As a result we can’t stabilize Iraq, Afghanistan, nor can we train their soldiers to do it either. This lack of training is due to a “Warfighter Insurgency” within the US Army, which still espouses, although in subtle ways, kinetic operations as their preferred method of operation; that combined with the fact that truly no one is listening has re-enforced a kinetics first, last, and always, approach.

The “Warfighter Insurgency”… is an insurgency against the expressed mandate of [DOD Directive] 3000.5, and other documents, to enhance the Army’s ability to conduct post conflict stability operationss. This insurgency is done with malice a forethought, in secret where possible, and with the intent to maintain the Army’s kinetic mission as paramount. Why? The Army understands kinetics. It does not understand non-kinetics, and lack of understanding breeds fear, and fear breeds avoidance.

It is impossible for the U.S. Army to successfully transition to Phase 4 & 5 Operations [post combat operations], because the U.S. Army is not properly trained, and therefore the operations are not properly planned, to make a successful transition. Quite simply, we may see what needs to be done, but we can’t do what needs to be done, because there is now a six year training void in how to use our non-kinetic enablers; mainly Civil-Affairs. The “Warfighter Insurgency” is continuing to prevent that from happening.
(See: http://​spaces​.icgpartners​.com/​i​n​d​e​x​2​.​a​s​p​?​N​G​u​i​d​=​F​9​2​7​F​8​0​2​4​6​8​F​4​A​B​2​8​2​5​3​6​C​6​6​E​F​A​D​6​919)

Quite simply, even though combatant commanders understand that they have two doctrinal responsibilities, ie: (1.) To fight and win our nations wars, and (2.) to conduct Civil-Military Operations, they are only trained in-depth for (1.), and have no understanding at all in how to best utilize their non-kinetic enablers to successfully accomplish (2.); nor have they been encouraged to learn.

Today almost every Ranking General we have in the U.S. Army is finally espousing the enhanced use of non-kinetic operations on the same, if not higher, footing with kinetic operations. The problem is they truly do not understand how to successfully accomplish that. To make matters worse the current op tempo to ramp up for the new adventure in Afghanistan is moving forward at such lighting speed, that there is truly no time to accomplish the remedial training that needs to be done.

Whether it is Iraq, Afghanistan, or someplace yet unknown, at some point in time the force of arms will have to lift, and there will need to be a stable foundation to build long term stability to grow on. The U.S. has not been successful in building those foundations. That is why we will forever be going back to these trouble spots that we have here-to-fore declared victory. That is why we are going back to Afghanistan.

I do believe that the Army C2 wants to be able to demonstrate that they have made every reasonable effort to have a functionally successful campaign plan in place, but at the end of the day the primary tool for use in Afghanistan will be kinetics. They will simply have been forced to fall back on kinetic force. Once again the issue is in just not knowing what to do, as in Stability Operations, but knowing how to do it, and the U.S. Army C2 has no earthly idea how to do it. They have not come up with one viable STABOPS training concept that will overcome the 6 year training void for STABOPS. As a result civ-mil casualty rates may well climb even higher in Afghanistan

No one, especially me, is expecting the U.S. Military, especially the U.S. Army to “forswear kinetics,” but rather to simply practice its own doctrine recognizing “Offense, Defence, and Stability” to be on the same footing. Then to actively train for smooth and successful transitioning from Phase 3 to Phase 4–5 operations, and hopefully come home with real honor, and a local population capable of at least half way taking care of themselves; without costing the American people sons and daughters killed and wounded in action, and a great deal of money that could be better spent at home.

No by all means kinetics does obviously win wars, but non kinetics wins the other side of the COIN—–Peace and Stability. They are meant to be used “Jointly,” with one leading to the other–then leading home.

Very well stated, however, for STABOPS to work we must have in place a form of government that will accept us. Their allegiance must be to one side or the other. As of now there seems to be no real cohesion with in the administrations of both countries.

While I recognize the sacrifices of those who have stepped forward to affect positive change for their respective countries. There are still those in key positions who capitulate to the intimidation of the insurgence.

As you mentioned the Army is not comfortable with the phase 4–5 operations, and given our history with some of the countries directly affected as well as others, I can understand their hesitation to commit in total to our assistance.

With the Talaban or one of the many other factions they know what to expect, while the US is still a question mark. It is a matter of trust. As I stated above if we show through our policy making that we are not committed how can we expect them to be.

I fully agree with Monty Davis at 11:01. He is spot on correct.

During the first great Afghan Punitive Expedition the U.S. made many promises that were later broken, with little or no real care, when the US moved on to Iraq.

These tribal people, who live in the geographical area named others named Afghanistan, have little—but their word; which is, as corny as it might sound, their bond–and they expect others to deal the same with them.

These people also have very long memories. They can remember promises that were kept and broken centuries ago. So now we come back and we’re asking for their trust again. I wouldn’t give it so freely the second time myself, because the U.S. also broke promises to the American people during that pull out process.

Perhaps a better case might be made by Mr. RORY STEWART (Director, Carr Center for Human Rights Policy; Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University), in his NPR presentation “Afghanistan Policy Bound To Fail.” It can be found at:

http://​www​.npr​.org/​t​e​m​p​l​a​t​e​s​/​s​t​o​r​y​/​s​t​o​r​y​.​p​h​p​?​s​t​o​r​y​I​d​=​1​1​1​4​8​0​359

In closing these tribal people get instant gratification from their tribal leaders, war lords, etc. In Afghanistan charity truly does begin at home. They have never truly submitted to a strong central government, and they’ve had very good reasons.

the ultimate question about mutually accepted destruction relies on the facts of the case involved.…..

the MAD truth is only revealed once in a decade..

Total aniliation could only mean dividing the whole truth twice.…..

In the mean time the next space arrives.…

salil

geez… a lot hyperbole and cloud-in-the-sky oratory… facts, Afg to my knowledge has never had a decent form of central gov’t, no real leader, except for drugs and poppy no commerce, no central treasury, no banks, etc… the nation is more tribal than Iraq, and the terrain/geography is a military test, and they kicked Russias butt… net, net agree we need to wall-off the Taliban, but it well cost billions more that freeing Iraq… just my opinion.

Wise ones of the MOST low!
Only one policy for Afghanistan, put forth by a former pilot, of an Afghanistan airline, “NUKE THE COUNTRY!” This fellow was on a 60 Minutes Program last year or the year before. He now lives in New Jersey. The pilot went into great detail about the everyday life in his native country. Stealing, lieing, every kind of crooked way of life. They smile at you until your back is turned and then kill you and take all the clothing off your dead body. Leaving that body to rot in the sun, or snow. You can not change a way of thinking that has gone on for thousands of years. Only a small, very small number of the population thinks and acts like civilized humans. The reason for the small number is they just don’t live long in that type of country. “NUKE THE COUNTRY”, from the lips of a native!

All I have to say to Mr. Thompson and everyone else is:

“Smart power begins with hard cash” -
I wish I had made that one up.

Congratulations on a truly memorable turn of phrase…with all these people going around bleating about the defense budget, finally, someone, a neocon even, comes up with a cost-effective solution. Way to go. Thanks for pointing out the central issue. Money talks. Money is commitment.

Of course, if we want to fail, there is no end to the excuses it is possible to find for failure. The kinetic versus non-kinetic argument is a non-argument. War means fightin’ and fightin’ means killin’. If you want to do developmental aid and country building, that is the State Department’s role. Give them the tools and hold them accountable. That means they have to learn to outsource and manage contracts. It also means that Congress needs to quit the sanctimonious posturing and deal with the rest of the world the way it is. If that means buying off poppy growers, maybe that is what you have to do.

The main lesson other nations’ learn by our soldiers’ presence is who we are as a nation. When they see us fighting the bullies and oppressors and criminals, we gain their respect. When they see us slinking out of town with our tail between our legs, they draw the proper conclusions.

I think your on the right track Bill R, however to simply buy off the poppy growers will not work. Right now their allegiance is to the Taliban. It’s either that or die, plain and simple. This is where the kinetic vs non-kinetic discussion comes in. The armed forces are there to hold the Taliban at bay while the a stable government is established. Then and only then do we begin to ease off on the force.

Problem is, we are doing the best we can keeping the country secure with the “heads of state” paying us lip service and locals intentionally misleading us, while all along secretly adhering to the Taliban demands. If we simply payed off the poppy growers and funded the government they would funnel the cash back to the Taliban and we would be fighting and funding the Taliban or other organization.

Afghanistan at one time was a world leader in medical research, then the Taliban came in and stopped that. The desire and ability to excel is there. They just have to be able to trust in that we will not bail out on them in the middle of the fight, and we have not given them any reason to trust us in that capacity.

The only real conclusion to this is not to nuke the country, but dismantle the Taliban all together and give the people of the country hope again. When they see that they can govern themselves without fear of reprisal from a group basing their policy on ideology, rather sound principles and concern for the masses, they will do so.

Obviously Bill R is a Civil War Buff and possibly a fan of LTG Nathan Bedford Forrest, who said “War means fightin’ and fightin’ means killin” That is very true, and sentiments he shared with both yankee Generals Grant and Sherman.

As for the The kinetic versus non-kinetic argument being a non-argument. That dog just don’t hunt anymore. We’ve consistently been on full automatic kinetic since 9–11. That really hasn’t worked out very well, and it is counter to the U.S. Army’s own doctrine.

In actual fact only about 25% of any one soldier’s time is spent under hostile fire. The rest they are on patrol, rendering aide to the population, and generally trying to restore some order so they can come home and not have to go back.

Even LTG Forrest encouraged his troopers, when the fighting had ended, to “aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.” At some point in time that has to be done, and the State Department does not have the manpower on the spot to do that,and never will.

The problem remains, no matter how you cut the cake, our troops stopped effectively training for Stability Operations in 2004, and under SECEEF Rumsfeld those operations were never entered into.

Tribal Afghans are warriors, with their own code. When they see our soldiers treating basically all civilians as combatants, and our own commanders mis-using troops,wasting troops needlessly, they lose respect for us real fast.

In their tribal homeland they are Nathan Bedford Forrest’s Cavalry, U.S. Forces are the word breakers that left the first time and left the peaceful tribes to the clemency of the Taliban, War Lords, Drug Lords, etc.

Kinetics only gives nothing to build on so our troops don’t have to keep rotating through these hell holes.

Typo: Kinetics only gives nothing to build on, so our troops have to keep rotating through these hell holes.

War’s over folks. Announced today. [“T” word is verboten.]

Bring the troops home & await atmospheric EMP, or worse.

After all, diplomacy is the answer; combined with unilateral.…

They said that Iraq was going to be another Viet Nam, and we are doing well there. I believe this so called country Afghanistan, could well be another Viet Nam. We are fighting an emeny we trained and supplied with weapons and ammo. They are not my farvorite but lets remember what happened to the Russians​.It could be our turn. Just think about what we did along with other countries our allies to defeat the Russians. Now those Commy countries see a chance to get us back.

Just curious. Have any of you seen ADM Mike Mullen’s press interiew with the Washington Times of 05 AUG 09? My understanding is that he wasn’t invited to give an interview. He invited the media, wanting to give this interview. The whole interview doesn’t seem to be available, but two media bites can be found at:

http://​www​.washingtontimes​.com/​m​a​s​s​m​e​d​i​a​/​g​r​a​b​/​1​8​7​3​65/

http://​www​.washingtontimes​.com/​m​a​s​s​m​e​d​i​a​/​g​r​a​b​/​1​8​7​4​67/

When you listen to it, listen carefully to the words. These are not the words of a career military person. These are more the words of a politician. Also ask yourself if you were a Soldier, or Marine, about to go into harms way, on anything but good ground, would these little sound bites from the CJCS really pump you up, and motivate you–in any way to make you feel better about going.?

I’ve actually not been motivated to really take a serious look at ADM Mullins, as I’m still trying to clear out memories of Gen Richard B. Myers. I would be curious as to where the ADM ranked in his Naval Academy Class of ’68,
and if by any chance, when he commanded the the gasoline tanker USS Noxubee (AOG 56), he might have inhaled too many fumes.

I believe that it is safe to say, that as long as the ADM doesn’t linger too long in the “Joint” corridor in the Pentagon, where the actual planning for the updated version of the “Afgan Punitive Expedition” is taking place, that he can take comfort in the fact that the U.S. Army would fully support his concept that we aren’t ready.

In fact, if you remember back to the early days of Afghan 1, you may remember that the Army was not able to answer the initial call to deploy in a timely manner. So much so, in fact, that there was a flurry of articles, written by Army Officers, in the Journals of the oter services, expressing concerns that the Army might be made redundant.

Yet, once, again, It is impossible for the U.S. Army to successfully transition to Phase 4 & 5 Operations [post combat operations], because the U.S. Army is not properly trained, and therefore the operations are not properly planned, to make a successful transition. Quite simply, we may see what needs to be done, but we can’t do what needs to be done, because there is now a six year training void in how to use our non-kinetic enablers; mainly Civil-Affairs. The “Warfighter Insurgency” is continuing to prevent that from happening.
(See: http://​spaces​.icgpartners​.com/​i​n​d​e​x​2​.​a​s​p​?​N​G​u​i​d​=​F​9​2​7​F​8​0​2​4​6​8​F​4​A​B​2​8​2​5​3​6​C​6​6​E​F​A​D​6​919)

By all means kinetics does obviously win wars, but non kinetics wins the other side of the COIN—–Peace and Stability. They are meant to be used “Jointly,” with one leading to the other–then leading home. These two important campaign plans are still being planned separately, so ADM Mullen’s concerns about the possibility of less than adequate success do have some merit.

The “T” war is officially over.

How can it be “open ended”?

There has been peace in Afganistan. But you have to go further back in history to find it. Remember Alexander (The Great One). He sent emissaries ahead of his army to demand submission to him or face total destruction. He prosecuted war with prejudice if denied his pleasure and he had a track record to prove he was a man of his word. The last time we fought a war with prejudice was in WWII. Notice how successful rebuilding operations were afterward. That’s because we first broke the will of the enemy to fight, put him in a state of total complete hopelessness. We left only a remnant that was anxious to work with us rather than deal with the alternatives. Alexander, Sherman, Grant, Patton and Truman all had it right. To win wars and bring about peace you must first send the enemy and his family to hell before you can deliver them.

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