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> <channel><title>Comments on: Law Forcing Space Companies to Sell</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:30:42 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: NGTASCSETA1</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-15316</link> <dc:creator>NGTASCSETA1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:17:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-15316</guid> <description>As a US citizen, I understand what the WRARA&#039;s intention is...to ensure TASC&#039;s SETAs don&#039;t give NG mothership (mission systems, etc) an unfair advantage over other OEMs.  I get that.  As a former Air Force Chief Master Sergeant and now a TASC employee I understand too where my loyalty is...to my Air Force customer...NOT TO NG proper.  For it is my customer who renews or discontinues my contract each year...NOT NG proper.  My allegiance with my customer is forged through day to day contact over the course of the fiscal year.  I see my NG TASC leadership about once a year.
As the article above states, That which I am sworn to do is to &quot;...ensure the government buys what it needs, builds it well and gets what it pays for.&quot;  And I&#039;ve never objected to ANY amount of scrutiny or oversight of my SETA activities 24/7 in this respect.  Bring on whatever GAO or IG Team you want...my performance as a SETA is ALWAYS open for review.
At the end of the day however, I understand too that OCI does distill down to a matter of perception.  If we SETAs are hip deep in advising our customer concerning or even evaluating an NG Mission Systems product, there are some who would look at that and cry foul...rightly or wrongly.  Perception is reality in the mind of the individual.  It&#039;s a shame we TASC SETAs can be trusted with the nation&#039;s highest secrets, but we cannot seem to earn the trust of the nation concerning this issue of OCI. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a US citizen, I understand what the WRARA’s intention is…to ensure TASC’s SETAs don’t give NG mothership (mission systems, etc) an unfair advantage over other OEMs.  I get that.  As a former Air Force Chief Master Sergeant and now a TASC employee I understand too where my loyalty is…to my Air Force customer…NOT TO NG proper.  For it is my customer who renews or discontinues my contract each year…NOT NG proper.  My allegiance with my customer is forged through day to day contact over the course of the fiscal year.  I see my NG TASC leadership about once a year.</p><p>As the article above states, That which I am sworn to do is to “…ensure the government buys what it needs, builds it well and gets what it pays for.”  And I’ve never objected to ANY amount of scrutiny or oversight of my SETA activities 24/7 in this respect.  Bring on whatever GAO or IG Team you want…my performance as a SETA is ALWAYS open for review.</p><p>At the end of the day however, I understand too that OCI does distill down to a matter of perception.  If we SETAs are hip deep in advising our customer concerning or even evaluating an NG Mission Systems product, there are some who would look at that and cry foul…rightly or wrongly.  Perception is reality in the mind of the individual.  It’s a shame we TASC SETAs can be trusted with the nation’s highest secrets, but we cannot seem to earn the trust of the nation concerning this issue of OCI.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mdsty2013</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13918</link> <dc:creator>mdsty2013</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:48:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13918</guid> <description>Advisory and Assistance (A&amp;AS) personnel change badges (switch companies) as A&amp;AS contracts are re-competed because their allegiance to the &quot;program&quot; or &quot;product&quot; is higher than their allegiance to their &quot;company&quot;. Those of us who are committed to this business understand and accept this because it is in the best interest of the agency&#039;s mission.
There is no real reason for developers to be in the A&amp;AS business other than greed. OCI requirements should be strictly enforced, and anyone who claims that a &quot;critical capability&quot; will be lost is unfoundly biased!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advisory and Assistance (A&amp;AS) personnel change badges (switch companies) as A&amp;AS contracts are re-competed because their allegiance to the “program” or “product” is higher than their allegiance to their “company”. Those of us who are committed to this business understand and accept this because it is in the best interest of the agency’s mission.<br
/> There is no real reason for developers to be in the A&amp;AS business other than greed. OCI requirements should be strictly enforced, and anyone who claims that a “critical capability” will be lost is unfoundly biased!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Informed</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13907</link> <dc:creator>Informed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:30:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13907</guid> <description>Russ:-- Thankfully, MIG, Sukhoi, Tupelov, etc have never built systems that can compare with any of ours.-- Competition is good and the taxpayer benefits.  Awarding conracts to companies with no technical experience in the field (such as Boeing and FIA) was ludicrous.   Past performance matters, and every acquisition study repeatedly shows this.  Unfortunately, govt RFP processes are so watering down the past performance evaluation in RFPs that all competitors are scoring the same, essentially removing this as a discriminator.  Companies that are outside the program cite their management skills, but they have no technical skills, and if they win, these programs are in trouble from the outset.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ:</p><p>– Thankfully, MIG, Sukhoi, Tupelov, etc have never built systems that can compare with any of ours.</p><p>– Competition is good and the taxpayer benefits.  Awarding conracts to companies with no technical experience in the field (such as Boeing and FIA) was ludicrous.   Past performance matters, and every acquisition study repeatedly shows this.  Unfortunately, govt RFP processes are so watering down the past performance evaluation in RFPs that all competitors are scoring the same, essentially removing this as a discriminator.  Companies that are outside the program cite their management skills, but they have no technical skills, and if they win, these programs are in trouble from the outset.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Interested</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13866</link> <dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:42:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13866</guid> <description>I would think having a variety of advisors would reduce the problem of biased advice. Hasn&#039;t the government effectively directed the favored contractors (&quot;unconflicted&quot; when in fact they often have or develop conflicts of their own) to prey upon the now disvalued assets and employees of the unfavored contractors?  Government was advised of potential for OCI and accepted it, and now is changing the rules including selection of winner and loser contractors on the basis of perceived bias and on the advice of the favored companies. Seems like a process with its own OCI and biases.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think having a variety of advisors would reduce the problem of biased advice. Hasn’t the government effectively directed the favored contractors (“unconflicted” when in fact they often have or develop conflicts of their own) to prey upon the now disvalued assets and employees of the unfavored contractors?  Government was advised of potential for OCI and accepted it, and now is changing the rules including selection of winner and loser contractors on the basis of perceived bias and on the advice of the favored companies. Seems like a process with its own OCI and biases.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Russ</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13860</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Russ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13860</guid> <description>DensityDuck,Let&#039;s say there is only one team that can do the job. If there is an advisor advising Congress that this particular weapon system is the only way to go, then it still smells fishy when the advisor is being paid by the manufacturer.You probably know a lot more about this than I do. But I wonder why the Russians have MIG, Sukhoi, Tupelov, Ilyushin, Beriev, Antonov, etcetera to bid one one project and we have Boeing and Lockheed/Grumman. Why if our global rivals have actual competition that all have expertise in fantastically complicated projects, why can&#039;t we do this too? Because the defense department consultants (lobbyists) and the manufacturers have been far too close to each other for decades.The problem is systemic. We do not really have competitors. We have a system that seems to be gamed by the companies who build the equipment and the companies that promote them. This leads to waste and questionable procurement patterns.It has to stop somewhere. We have to have more than one team that can do the job. And if the pressure doesn&#039;t come from Congress, who will fix this?RespectfullyDaniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DensityDuck,</p><p>Let’s say there is only one team that can do the job. If there is an advisor advising Congress that this particular weapon system is the only way to go, then it still smells fishy when the advisor is being paid by the manufacturer.</p><p>You probably know a lot more about this than I do. But I wonder why the Russians have MIG, Sukhoi, Tupelov, Ilyushin, Beriev, Antonov, etcetera to bid one one project and we have Boeing and Lockheed/Grumman. Why if our global rivals have actual competition that all have expertise in fantastically complicated projects, why can’t we do this too? Because the defense department consultants (lobbyists) and the manufacturers have been far too close to each other for decades.</p><p>The problem is systemic. We do not really have competitors. We have a system that seems to be gamed by the companies who build the equipment and the companies that promote them. This leads to waste and questionable procurement patterns.</p><p>It has to stop somewhere. We have to have more than one team that can do the job. And if the pressure doesn’t come from Congress, who will fix this?</p><p>Respectfully</p><p>Daniel Russ<br
/> Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DensityDuck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13852</link> <dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13852</guid> <description>Daniel:  You miss my point.  My point is that most of these missions are so fantastically complicated, and so heavily dependent on prior experience, that there is literally ONE TEAM that can provide vehicles to perform that mission.  It&#039;s not &quot;government-industry collusion&quot; for the NRO to go to whoever builds the Keyhole vehicles and say &quot;hey, can you perform an incremental upgrade&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel:  You miss my point.  My point is that most of these missions are so fantastically complicated, and so heavily dependent on prior experience, that there is literally ONE TEAM that can provide vehicles to perform that mission.  It’s not “government-industry collusion” for the NRO to go to whoever builds the Keyhole vehicles and say “hey, can you perform an incremental upgrade”.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Russ</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13831</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Russ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:20:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13831</guid> <description>@Radarnav,No one is going to document their own bias. If you want documentation that it actually happened, then you can go to the CBO and they keep records of these matters, or Google the topic and find literally hundreds of articles written on the subject by what is left of our o called media. It should be available and free since it&#039;s paid out of your tax dollars.The bias has been uncovered by Congress, that&#039;s why the rule changes are being put forward and they are put forward to do one simple thing: make sure that weapons manufacturers are not paying the salaries of the consultants who tout their products.If the firewalls worked, the rule changes wouldn&#039;t have been offered. These changes were not written or offered in a vacuum. They were born because enough people in the process see it as a conflict  of interest.@DensityDuckIf negotiating government contracts were as difficult as running a two minute mile, then there would only be a handful of people negotiating government contracts. In fact, there are tens of thousands of them. So finding the right expert on a weapon system, or finding the right price to charge the tax payer shouldn&#039;t be as hard as finding a super fast runner.It wasn&#039;t too long ago that high level government officials were recommending the Boeing tanker refit as the new air to air refueler. Then people caught wind of the fact that the high level officials had interests in the contract for Boeing.That said, this is an attempt to keep waste out of procurement, and make sure that Congressional officials, who control the purse-strings on these contracts, hear the advice of people who are truly independent, not on the dole.Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Radarnav,</p><p>No one is going to document their own bias. If you want documentation that it actually happened, then you can go to the CBO and they keep records of these matters, or Google the topic and find literally hundreds of articles written on the subject by what is left of our o called media. It should be available and free since it’s paid out of your tax dollars.</p><p>The bias has been uncovered by Congress, that’s why the rule changes are being put forward and they are put forward to do one simple thing: make sure that weapons manufacturers are not paying the salaries of the consultants who tout their products.</p><p>If the firewalls worked, the rule changes wouldn’t have been offered. These changes were not written or offered in a vacuum. They were born because enough people in the process see it as a conflict  of interest.</p><p>@DensityDuck</p><p>If negotiating government contracts were as difficult as running a two minute mile, then there would only be a handful of people negotiating government contracts. In fact, there are tens of thousands of them. So finding the right expert on a weapon system, or finding the right price to charge the tax payer shouldn’t be as hard as finding a super fast runner.</p><p>It wasn’t too long ago that high level government officials were recommending the Boeing tanker refit as the new air to air refueler. Then people caught wind of the fact that the high level officials had interests in the contract for Boeing.</p><p>That said, this is an attempt to keep waste out of procurement, and make sure that Congressional officials, who control the purse-strings on these contracts, hear the advice of people who are truly independent, not on the dole.</p><p>Daniel Russ<br
/> Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Radarnav</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13827</link> <dc:creator>Radarnav</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13827</guid> <description>Daniel &amp; Jeff &amp; COTR,
Before you slam the ethical reputations of a number of Aerospace companies, you may want to do sufficient research to see if there has been any documented evidence of tainted or biased recommendations to the Government.In my 27+ years of work in the Government and Industry, I am unaware.  People who work in SETA companies have much closer allegiance to their customer and their missions than they do to any corporate identity.Effective firewalls do work by preventing the illegal transfer of recommendations, etc.  However, the issue is one of appearance (one that you fell into) and that is always in the eye of the beholder.The effects of this new law will be widespread as there are few if any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Aerospace and IT companies exempt from this language.  The prospects for fire sales and destructive impacts to Government customers missions are Huge.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &amp; Jeff &amp; COTR,<br
/> Before you slam the ethical reputations of a number of Aerospace companies, you may want to do sufficient research to see if there has been any documented evidence of tainted or biased recommendations to the Government.</p><p>In my 27+ years of work in the Government and Industry, I am unaware.  People who work in SETA companies have much closer allegiance to their customer and their missions than they do to any corporate identity.</p><p>Effective firewalls do work by preventing the illegal transfer of recommendations, etc.  However, the issue is one of appearance (one that you fell into) and that is always in the eye of the beholder.</p><p>The effects of this new law will be widespread as there are few if any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Aerospace and IT companies exempt from this language.  The prospects for fire sales and destructive impacts to Government customers missions are Huge.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeff Razer</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13825</link> <dc:creator>Jeff Razer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:22:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13825</guid> <description>True, and that means that the recommendations may not change.  However, if the same service can be done by Boeing and NG, but TASC always tells the government to use NG, then that needs to be corrected.  If NG knows that it will always be chosen if TASC is advising, what incentive do they have to put process improvements into place?It&#039;s like asking your car dealer which brand of car is the best for you to buy. If he&#039;s a Toyota dealer, he&#039;s going to tell you to buy a Toyota.  But if you ask Consumer Reports, they&#039;re going to objectively tell you what you should be driving.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, and that means that the recommendations may not change.  However, if the same service can be done by Boeing and NG, but TASC always tells the government to use NG, then that needs to be corrected.  If NG knows that it will always be chosen if TASC is advising, what incentive do they have to put process improvements into place?</p><p>It’s like asking your car dealer which brand of car is the best for you to buy. If he’s a Toyota dealer, he’s going to tell you to buy a Toyota.  But if you ask Consumer Reports, they’re going to objectively tell you what you should be driving.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DensityDuck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13819</link> <dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13819</guid> <description>Daniel Russ:  On the other hand, you&#039;re taking it as a given that NRO systems are so generic and so low-performance that many companies are able to produce them.  If you need someone to run a mile in two minutes, you may well find that there&#039;s only one person in the entire world who can do it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Russ:  On the other hand, you’re taking it as a given that NRO systems are so generic and so low-performance that many companies are able to produce them.  If you need someone to run a mile in two minutes, you may well find that there’s only one person in the entire world who can do it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Russ</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13807</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Russ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:08:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13807</guid> <description>The problem is advice from subsidiaries. Congress is trying to stop this corrupt form of lobbying wherein supposedly independent advisers are not in fact in the pocket of the companies they are recommending.Congress noticed that none of these companies ever recommend any contractor than the ones who are paying the &quot;advisors&quot;. This is a much needed correction and will do a lot to reduce the waste in US military procurement.Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is advice from subsidiaries. Congress is trying to stop this corrupt form of lobbying wherein supposedly independent advisers are not in fact in the pocket of the companies they are recommending.</p><p>Congress noticed that none of these companies ever recommend any contractor than the ones who are paying the “advisors”. This is a much needed correction and will do a lot to reduce the waste in US military procurement.</p><p>Daniel Russ<br
/> Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ReconTeam</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13803</link> <dc:creator>ReconTeam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:19:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13803</guid> <description>If this bill is supposed to cut out the waste when it comes to defense acquisition, it doesn&#039;t look like it.The problem isn&#039;t advisement given to the government.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this bill is supposed to cut out the waste when it comes to defense acquisition, it doesn’t look like it.</p><p>The problem isn’t advisement given to the government.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: COTR</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13792</link> <dc:creator>COTR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13792</guid> <description>In order to understand the issue in the NRO first one must distinguish between a development contractor and a SETA contractor. SETA contractors typically provide advice and data on how well the developmental contractor is doing. In order to do this, SETA contractors have access to proprietary data and formulate opinions and provide advice based on data such as Preliminary Design Reviews, Critical Designs Reviews, Earned Value Management and development contractor cost data. In order to remain &quot;un-conflicted&quot;, SETA contractors such as TASC can not be &quot;conflicted&quot;. I don&#039;t care how many &quot;firewalls&quot; a company puts up to mitigate OCI, the fact remains TASC provides advice on the cost, schedule &amp; performance of developmental contractors such as Northrup Grumman. It is particularly disconcerting when going through a source selection and we need the advice of a particular subject matter expert but we can&#039;t turn to him because the company he works for is owned by one of the potential bidders.As far as the contractor base is concerned for SETAs, it is still robust and there are companies who core capability is being a SETA and not a developmental contractor. Companies such as Scitor, IAI, SRS Mantech as well as FFRDCs such as SEI, Aerospace &amp; MITRE.This is a good thing and not a bad thing. The sky is not falling as a result and the other companies mentioned above will absorb contracts and employees as a result. There will be no perception of conflict and I don&#039;t have to kick my subject matter experts out of the room during a crucial time in a review.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to understand the issue in the NRO first one must distinguish between a development contractor and a SETA contractor. SETA contractors typically provide advice and data on how well the developmental contractor is doing. In order to do this, SETA contractors have access to proprietary data and formulate opinions and provide advice based on data such as Preliminary Design Reviews, Critical Designs Reviews, Earned Value Management and development contractor cost data. In order to remain “un-conflicted”, SETA contractors such as TASC can not be “conflicted”. I don’t care how many “firewalls” a company puts up to mitigate OCI, the fact remains TASC provides advice on the cost, schedule &amp; performance of developmental contractors such as Northrup Grumman. It is particularly disconcerting when going through a source selection and we need the advice of a particular subject matter expert but we can’t turn to him because the company he works for is owned by one of the potential bidders.</p><p>As far as the contractor base is concerned for SETAs, it is still robust and there are companies who core capability is being a SETA and not a developmental contractor. Companies such as Scitor, IAI, SRS Mantech as well as FFRDCs such as SEI, Aerospace &amp; MITRE.</p><p>This is a good thing and not a bad thing. The sky is not falling as a result and the other companies mentioned above will absorb contracts and employees as a result. There will be no perception of conflict and I don’t have to kick my subject matter experts out of the room during a crucial time in a review.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DensityDuck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/02/acquisition-law-forcing-companies-to-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-13779</link> <dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:48:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=9372#comment-13779</guid> <description>It&#039;s the Ramo-Wooldridge all over again.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the Ramo-Wooldridge all over again.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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