About That Afghan Army

About That Afghan Army

The debate over U.S. interests and strategy in Afghanistan is getting hot as the Obama administration deepens U.S. involvement in a war many already see as another dreaded quagmire. In light of the ongoing policy debate, and to hopefully educate, we thought it worth examining some fundamental questions about the war.

One question that has repeatedly come up revolves around the quality of the Afghan army back in the Soviet occupation days compared to that of today. As Nightwatch’s John McCreary asks: “How come the Soviets could sustain a large and effective Afghan Army between 1979 and 1992, but the US cannot after 8 years, thousands of American dead and wounded and billions of dollars of aid?”

Unlike when the U.S. scattered the Taliban in 2001, when the Soviets rolled in, there was an existing Afghan national army with all the customary organizational trappings: corps, divisions, brigades and a functional air force. When Soviet paratroopers began landing in Kabul on Christmas Eve 1979, they did so at the invitation of the Afghan communist regime to put down a growing internal rebellion. The Soviets had already spent years advising and building the Afghan army before they invaded; in 1978, Soviet military assistance to Afghanistan totaled over a billion dollars.

Much of that money and effort was wasted when the Afghan army rapidly melted away through desertions to the rebellion as the Soviet 40th Army arrived en masse; dropping from 100,000 troops in 1979 to 30,000 by the end of 1980. How did the Soviets go about rebuilding the Afghan army? The draft. Over 70 percent of the 1980s era Afghan army was conscripted, many by “press gangs,” according to historian Lester Grau. Press gangs followed Soviet offensive sweeps through villages and conscripted Afghan youth on the spot. (In an editorial last year, former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Ronald Neumann, called for reinstating the draft there.)

During the 1980s, Afghan troop strength fluctuated between 120,000 and 150,000. Of course that was ration book strength. Units were typically 40 percent below that due to massive desertions that averaged 1,500 to 2,000 men a month, according to Abdulkader Sinno in Organizations at War in Afghanistan and Beyond (highly recommended for understanding the current players in Afghanistan). The border troops were the worst of the lot.

The army’s weakness forced the communist regime to buy the services of militia armies, such as the Uzbek militia of warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum, a process that accelerated as the Soviets began to pull out and the regime became more desperate. In 1988, 30,000 of the 50,000 regime troops in Herat were militiamen, according to Sinno.

As for Afghan army performance under Soviet occupation? In a word, terrible. It was incapable of independent offensive operations and, apart for a handful of elite, heavily coached units, was relegated to guarding supply lines and fixed installations. The Soviets did use some Afghan army units offensively, to draw mujahedeen fire. Grau writes that Soviet officers considered adviser to the Afghan army as a hardship post: “The living conditions were not optimal, the language and cultural differences made them feel uncomfortable, the presence of covert Mujahideen in the units made them feel insecure and adviser duty was not considered a stepping stone to promotion.”

Okay, so if the Afghan army was so bad, how did it hang on for almost three years after the Soviets pulled out? First of all, the Soviets continued to provide advisers, advanced weapons, air support, and poured in military aid to the tune of $300 million a month. Second, when the Soviets left, the mujahedeen’s unified front dissolved; Afghan warlords battled each other for the spoils before the communist regime had even fallen. Soviet largesse kept the communist regime afloat until Gorbachev resigned in 1991 when the spigot was turned off. The regime immediately fell, the warlords entered Kabul, and a new bloodbath began.

There is no doubting the Afghan’s fighting ability, as the U.S. military is learning. However, transforming a warrior culture that excels at guerrilla warfare into a modern, professional army is a difficult proposition. The U.S. is spending around $5.5 billion annually to train and equip the Afghan army. Building that army will take many years and much dedication from western advisers.

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The problem in turning the afghan army into a “modern, professional” (read: conventional) army is that those kind of forces are not ideally suited to the local environement.

The reason guerilla warfare is so effective in Afganistan is because the terrain itself lends itself very well to that kind of operation, whilst it hinders more conventional forces.

If the Afghan army wants to be effective in defending the population from enemies foreign or domestic it needs to be a decentralised, networked force where individual elements are self-sufficient, self-controlling and self-synchronising. In fact, if done correctly the ANA could become a posterchild for Network-Centric Warfare done in a very practical, affordable and robust way.

Trying to enforce a centralised chain of command in Afghanistan is not only going to be very hard to pull off, it may also exarcebate problems like corruption and other questionable activities. These are the same issues are currently plagueing the centralised government.

Untill every Afghan has electrity, running water and a high-speed internet connection in their home, Afghanistan is going to remain a collection of isolated communities as opposed to one, unified country.

WarScientist: “modern” and “professional” describe attitude and behavior, not equipment. We’re talking about “don’t demand or accept bribes” and “don’t shoot civilians just because they’re in your way” and “don’t rape people”, here.

Not all that different from today where most of the guys in the Afghan army are there to get a paycheck(not because they believe in Afghan state), many are unwilling to fight fellow Muslims, and the officer core seems is largely made up of Tajiks (not Pashtun).

So we have a ethnic minority officer core (many of which don’t know Pashtun) leading Pashtuns to protect Pashtuns.

Do you wonder what “WarScientist” has studied? Didn’t the US have one, unified country long before we had “necessities” such as electricity and high speed internet in all of our homes?

A big part of anyone’s troubles in Afghanistan is that they are NOT a country as we expect. For instance in France — they have a somewhat understood common language and history. Same with Norway — even in the northern villages people speak Norwegian and identify themselves as Norwegians.

Not so with most of Afghanistan. They identify themselves with their village or with their local region. For example Iraq consists of a collection of people that were inside of some lines drawn by the Sikes-Picot agreement. Afghanistan mostly is a collection of peoples that are outside of other lines drawn on maps. They are a country partly since no one else wanted them.

Now we are told that we must bring them high speed internet?

We need to put some adult supervision in place and then let them work it out.

Misguided goals. PC military leadership. Inept civilian leadership (Bush and Obama) and what do you get???? Exactly what we have. This war is lost, no surge will help, no push for “women’s rights” will help, the only thing left to do is to battle the insurgents on their terms. That means a no hands tied affair. Unfortunately, the Generalship of this generation is lacking as well as the political stomach to do the hard thing. Leave before another life is lost in this quagmire.

ps. the Mobile Training Team concept is a joke. If the people you’re training don’t turn on you then the operational security is so lax that you walk into the type of ambush that killed 4 brave men today. Primitive cultures understand simple concepts. ie. if you don’t do as instructed bad things happen.

Excellent Greg.

Anthony Cordesman has a series of briefings about Afghanistan that are very recent. One of them was this briefing that indicates that the ANA may be more capable than implied here, with a large part of the force deemed able to operate independently (in contrast to the AN Police):

http://​csis​.org/​f​i​l​e​s​/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​/​b​u​r​k​e​/​0​9​0​8​0​3​_​D​e​v​e​l​o​p​m​e​n​t​s​I​n​A​f​g​h​a​n​F​o​r​c​e​s​.​pdf

If you note on, believe its page 17, there is an ANA pay scale that shows you can buy lotd of ANA troops for under $300 a month. That figure was mentioned in one of Cordesman’s multiple studies as being more than what 93% of the country makes.

Check out this link for valuable info about Afghanistan, under “The Afghan War: A Survey of “Metrics.” This is why some think tanks and guys like Dr. Cordesman are so valuable. The research and graphic materials are outstanding:

http://​csis​.org/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​/​a​f​g​h​a​n​-​war

I hope all those defenders of McCrystal are reading the news of 4 US Marines that died because of his POLITICALLY CORRECT NONSENSE!

Time to fire another General. The Soldiers and Marines deserve better leadership than they’re getting.

His commands are getting people killed. Where are his defenders? You’re quiet because everyone in the military knows this man is a joke.

It’s too early to know all the details of that incident. Either the rules were interpreted incorrectly or there is a problem with the rules. Truly regrettable.

Wait a minute. The head advisor was an Army Captain and assume other Army guys were along with the Afghans and tragically killed 4 Marines. Incidents and casualties like this have been occurring for years to the Army there. Recall Wanat?

The Marines are somewhat newcomers in comparison to the Army. They have had problems there in the past believing that force solves everything, such as the MARSOC/AC-130 attacks in west Afghanistan near Herat against airfield contractors and the linked incident below that perhaps slant Solomon’s opinion against Army Generals:

http://​www​.marinecorpstimes​.com/​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​0​8​/​0​2​/​m​a​r​i​n​e​_​m​a​r​s​o​c​_​0​8​0​2​15/

While the Marines have a small special operations force formed in the past few years, General McChrystal has been doing the job since 1978, and the Army since Vietnam.

* General McChrystal commanded the 75th Ranger Regiment — a unit as elite, disciplined, and well-trained as any Marine unit.

* He was Chief of Staff of XVIII Airborne Corps and Coalition Joint Task Force 180 during OEF in Afghanistan.

* He commanded Joint Special Operations Command for 5 YEARS during which time both Sadaam Hussein and Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi were captured/killed by his units and the USAF. Frankly, we will never know a fraction of the things General McChrystal has accomplished in his career because so many of them are classified.

* In the past week, he visited the bombing site of two stolen fuel tankers and a hospital to visit the wounded (just as he went to the site of al-Zarqawi’s bombing to supervise) even though he was told it was very dangerous…and in fact two reporters were captured in the same vicinity.

That being said, I will agree that the events that occurred near Ganjgal were tragic. An investigation is ongoing. It’s easy to second-guess from 7,500 miles away. Seems as though the Air Force could have arrived faster than distant Army attack helicopters, but close proximity to the border may have risked cross-border flight.

The denial of artillery is troubling, if true, but obviously it could not be placed directly on the mountain village. Ultimately artillery white phosphorous smoke did allow withdrawal.

In the long run, the policies General McChrystal has instituted are essential to preventing civilian deaths that have become a major source of enemy aid and comfort. As I believe ex-Ranger Andrew Exum has put it, General McChrystal tried to kill his way out of these wars and saw that it didn’t work. A new strategy is in order, and it should be given a chance along with troop increases before running with tail tucked between legs.

So many things to respond to — I’ll try to pick a few:

1) As I asked in another post on another site –
Somebody has been training the Taliban Afghans very well, apparently. They are by recent accounts as brave as any we’ve fought lately, but also smarter. They execute well planned attcks, do the right things, etc. “Our Afghans,” in contrast, seem to be less than superb warriors even after extensive training. I’m not talking about all the trappings of a modern professional Army. I’m talking about things that seem to me to be very basic for any warriors anywhere, for example:

– Not sleeping on guard
– Actually returning fire when contact is made
– Not getting stoned out of your mind.
– Taking basic care of equipment
– Being where you’re supposed to be when you’re supposed to be there.

These things seem to be basic requirements even for stone-age hunters to work together; and I would think even the Afghans are beyond that!

I think the Taliban actually do these things; so why are “our” Afghans so dumb?

2) The USMC also has a long history with Small Wars, including ‘Nam. We should all give credit where it is due and learn from each other.

3) To continue somewhat with the last point — and I don’t want to start any inter-service bashing here, because it is not useful — but the posts above confirm what has been true for a long time: The U.S. Army and USMC have different cultures and fighting styles (beyond doctrinal differences) based on their different missions and histories. Obviously, the never-ending battle to get them working together is not over yet — but don’t give it up!!

Well — ’nuff for now!

Well said James, but I wasn’t the one initially accusing Army leaders. Turns out, I misspoke about an Army Captain being in charge as there was a Marine Major on scene. Presumably the Afghan Army was somewhat in charge, as well.

Sounds like the 3 brave Marines were on point and a equally brave Navy Corpsman tried to help them. Its unlikely they would have survived anyway given the nature of the ambush and where they were forced to take cover in the village. The leaders did not appear to request air/artillery support for the first 20 minutes in one article I read. Still not sure why there was no fixed wing air or artillery support away from the village. Army Apaches and MEDEVAC showed up.

As for your ANA issues, it sounds like many Tajik officers and NCOs run the ANA and they have difficulty recruiting Pashtuns:

http://​www​.nytimes​.com/​2​0​0​9​/​0​8​/​1​7​/​o​p​i​n​i​o​n​/​1​7​h​a​r​r​i​s​o​n​.​h​t​m​l​?em

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C09%5C06%5Cstory_6-9-2009_pg3_4

You gotta admit that Tajiks that were part of the Northern Alliance were highly capable against the Soviets. Many of the attackers at Gajgal may have been foreign fighters.

Have read Michael Yon articles saying that ANA sent to the south are often there “on vacation” whatever that means. These linked articles say that few speak the Pashtun language and few want to go there. Saw the ANA on CNN AC 360 the last few nights. Obviously, they do have problems…but also wonder if they send the worst ANA troops to the south.

Still believe, as posted in the other Greg Gant article, that some form of Pashtunistan power– sharing is required. If the ANA is largely Tajik, then they will never succeed in Pashtun areas on a permanent basis after we leave. Then there is the problem of resupplying those ANA forces over dirt roads when we are gone. Lots of booms will make troops even less likely to volunteer to go there.

If we had the Afghans vote NOW on creation of a Pashtunistan…even if initially only within Afghan boundaries…then we could create a UN/NATO peacekeeping force securing strictly the Hwy 1 and other border areas between the old and new nation. Pashtunistan and Afghanistan troops would be restricted from that area except at logistics sites adjacent to Hwy 1 which would be supplied by contractor trucks.

Another unspoken issue that must be considered is Iran. If we have a temporary surge over the next few years, it will coincide with the timeframe that Israel may attack Iran. Given recent UN reports, calls for meetings, and Netanyahu’ “secret” trip to Russia, it should be clear that problem is accelerating.

Troops surged temporarily to Afghanistan would be a deterrent to Iran getting frisky near the Straits of Hormuz following an Israeli attack. If deterrence failed, our Afghan forces would be well-positioned to seize and hold lands adjacent to those Straits.

I’ve not been to Afghanistan for a number of years now, but I think that part of the problem there is U.S. Army (and probably other branches’) culture.

There is a distinct separation between most officers and their NCO’s and enlisted in the U.S. military. It is even more pronounced in the ANA. This means that the U.S. military tends to look on what I would view as outrageous disregard for the ANA enlisted with more of an air of bemusement than of disgust or fury.

If the ANA officer corps is not overly concerned with soldier care and training — the ANA will continue to suck in far too many ways.

FWIW from a Has Been.

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