Comments on: Saudis Likely to Get F-15SG

By: Trophy

Trophy — Fri, 07 May 2010 11:28:33 +0000

Yes, it’s been done before by NASA in the 80’s on an F-15B along with 2D (and later 3D) thrust vectoring engines. However there is a lot of cons to having canards on the F-15:

1) Canards increase drag, which reduce speed and range. If you noticed the latest Su-35’s no longer have canards, for this reason.

2) It’s more components that can fail and potentially create more maintenance and downtime.

3) When NASA added the canards, the provisions for the gun system had to be removed in order to make the system work. While most air-to-air engagements occur beyond visual range with missiles, training battles still see enough legitimate close-range encounters where a gun is the weapon of choice, even over a short-range infrared missile. When I say legitimate, I mean as in it was not a choreographed scenario where the two aircraft are forced to used guns.

4) With the latest AIM-9X paired with the high-off boresight Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System and the latest V3 AESA radar, no current or future adversary aircraft can outmaneuver beyond the F-15’s weapons. The F-15 is maneuverable enough to get a firing solution and make kills. Even with the Su-35’s super maneuverability, it’s not enough to outmaneuver modern missiles such as the AIM-9X or the AIM-120.

By: donald

donald — Fri, 07 May 2010 10:25:08 +0000

Would it be possible to put forward canard wings on the F-15?

By: Nawaf_911

Nawaf_911 — Thu, 06 May 2010 10:26:47 +0000

Saudis Have the Skill set to Challenge But Not Anyone , But America have the skill to Challenge Anyone

By: muosa

muosa — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:44:29 +0000

god bless saudi arabia juses christ human alllah is the god

By: Donald Fortune

Donald Fortune — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:50:07 +0000

Uncle B, last time I checked, it was Canada’s more specifically Alberta’s oil sands that provided by far the majority of the oil produced in America, which actually kinda benifits them cuz thats on less tax they have to pay. MAybe true what your saying, but I thought you guys went to Iraq for more or less vengeance for 9/11. If you guys were mercanaries, the Suadis should be paying you guys something other then oil that you buy if you are thier mercanaries, hmm, I dunno man, try writting your Congress member about it

By: Donald

Donald — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:21:32 +0000

to boost the american economy

By: r winters

r winters — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:48:20 +0000

If you have ever seen the capabilities of the Saudi Pilots.….you know that Israel has absolutely nothing to worry about

By: John

John — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:36:50 +0000

Royal Saudi Air Force rules.….….….….….….….….….….….…The hill with USA if they do not want to sell us the F-15Ss.….. The market is wide open for us; we can buy SU-35…Raffales.…Typhoons…with our money. US needs our money and you can not survive without our oil.…so, put up or shut up.

By: robertro2

robertro2 — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:45:50 +0000

I believe it was a “saudi“flying an F-15 during the gulf war that shot down an “iraq” flying with that french missle,going after one of are ships, he had 2 good hits.…and i know that “Isreal“could also do it.…

By: Tony Conner

Tony Conner — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:02:39 +0000

Sounds like some Boeing field support engineers are going to make a bundle supporting this buy!
Without this configuration in the USAF, the spare parts and support will be direct from the contractor.

By: MSgt, USAF (Ret)

MSgt, USAF (Ret) — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:16:55 +0000

The Saudis will never be able to maintain any aircraft we sell them on their own. They just don’t have it.

By: squatswitch

squatswitch — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:57:57 +0000

I’ve had first hand relations with the Saudi’s, (RSAF), they are uncapable to handle the F-15 s’s they now possess. They can not fund for spare parts, maintenance by the RSAF alone is a joke. With out American contractors they at best, can visulize a flyable force… If the RSAF gets the F_15SG, Have them purchase them, not a Packaged gift from the USA as they have had in the past..The RSAF,are little boys with expensive TOYS…

By: dean cav scout

dean cav scout — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:42:38 +0000

well as a ground troop in a ground force that has gotten rid of any true substantial air defence capability i am not all that excited about any arab nation having any aircraft newer than a phantom. but if they must we might as well use the sales to help with our trade deficit. but then again we havnt had that much trouble on the ground with their (russian ) equipment but if we go to iran we will have m1 tanks on m1 tanks even dumbed down it isnt a comfortable thought

By: Reaper

Reaper — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:48:54 +0000

we never sell to foreign powers fully capable aircraft, what they get are dumbed down a little here a little there, all combined they tend to be limited to 90%, we are in a mainstream military aircraft gap and it is growing , however we have many other x craft that would make Luke Skywalker quite Jealous

By: SEOOO!

SEOOO! — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:33:05 +0000

Good is good news for the Arabs and Saudi Arabia in particular, but how the amount of the deal? Will the reduction of military equipment is also sensitive or not?

By: jaky

jaky — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:43:00 +0000

I heard about the planes f15 will go to Egypt
Any one heard of something like that

By: Dveed N

Dveed N — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:08:23 +0000

Doesn’t matter to Israel what the Saudis get. Israel has Patriot 3 batteries, AWACs + lots of really good jet jockeys just waiting to pile up the kills.

By: mike p

mike p — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:02 +0000

The f-15sg the suadis’s want would be a multiplier to thier force when the typhoon enters their service they will have a modern fighter/strike capable to counter the sukhoi
family which is now out the in some air forces
in my earlier statement why buy more f22s when you can build anew bulid f-15 with canards and vectored thrust engines and maybe some new designs to go with it the russains are doing it with th su-27 and all of its improved family
why can’t we do the same to save some defense money?

By: Rhyno327

Rhyno327 — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:39:08 +0000

I have no love for the Saudi’s at all, but, if things go south with Iran, isn’t a good thing to have capable allies? You know we need thier f-ing oil..maybe we invaded the wrong country after 9/11..???

By: mike p

mike p — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:29:55 +0000

The saudi’s have already ordered 72 typhoon’s from britan so they already have a next generation fighter being built the f-15FG
varient cannot out manuver the typhoon in a air
to air dogfight maybe it has a longer radar span
but the typhoon wins out the only way to get the f-15 to be standard is to give it a canard wwing and new bulkid jets it think tihis would bbe cheaper than the f22