Likely Winners From Euro Missile Cut

Likely Winners From Euro Missile Cut

UDATED: With Gates, Congressional Comments

Raytheon’s land-based SM-3 program is the biggest winner from the administration’s decision to change its approach to defending allies against Iranian missiles.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former head of Strategic Command, both cited the system as a key part in why the administration changed its mind during their Thursday morning briefing.


Of course, Gates and Cartwright also made very clear that Iran had played a mighty significant part in changing the American approach. The 2006 intelligence assessment that Iran would fairly soon deploy intercontinental ballistic missiles has been superseded. Today, Cartwright said, the real threat does not come from four or five rogue state ICBMs but from literally hundreds of short– and medium-range missiles capable of striking Israel, Europe and US forces in the region. Hoss Cartwright noted that the Shahab 3 is “developing more rapidly than expected.”

The march of missile defense in Europe will now look like this. In 2011, Patriots will be deployed, and a regular force of two or three SM-3-bearing ships will patrol the North Sea and the Mediterranean, Cartwright said. The next phase, beginning in 2015, will lead to the deployment of SM-3 1Bs, the next iteration of the missile, along with the first deployment of the land-based SM-3. In 2018 the country will send SM-3 2s ashore and at sea. Finally, in 2020, the U.S. will deploy SM-3 2Bs.

In addition to the threat, cost drove the decision calculus, Cartwright said, ticking off these facts: a PAC interceptor costs $3.3 million; a THAAD missile costs $9 million; an SM-3 goes for about $10 million, and upgraded SM-3 will cost $13 million to $15 million; the Ground Based Interceptor previously planned for Europe would have cost $70 million each.

With the administration set to officially announce its plans to drop a missile defense approach, the likely winners look to be PAC-3, MEADS and THAAD. One of the other considerations in the administration’s decision may be a bold effort to reassure Israel that the US is taking the Iranian threat to both Israeli and US forces in the region more seriously. Senior Pentagon leaders have made very clear they are working feverishly behind the scenes to stop Israel from attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities. The other issue is protection of US forces in the region.

The White House referred obliquely to this in its fact sheet about the decision: “In the near-term, the greatest missile threats from Iran will be to U.S. Allies and partners, as well as to U.S. deployed personnel – military and civilian –and their accompanying families in the Middle East and in Europe.”

And Cartwright said during the briefing that the Israeli Arrow ant-missile system would be part of the regional missile defense architecture, as would the X-band radar we sent them late last year.

PAC-3, of course, was designed to counter short– and medium-range missile threats, which the administration says are now the greatest threats to Europe from Iran. And MEADS is a more mobile system built by the US, Germany and Italy to provide NATO protection against the same sort of threats. THAAD takes out the medium-range threat. SM-3 can protect against medium– and long-range missiles, as was demonstrated when an SM-3 shot down the errant spy satellite, US 193.

[Here’s an interview I filmed about land-based SM-3 with Mike Booen, Raytheon’s vice president of advanced missile defense and directed energy, at this year’s Paris Air Show.]

The first congressional reaction is out, from Sen. John McCain was the first Republican out with criticism of the administration’s decision, calling it “seriously misguided.” Also, he said the administration’s decision may feed “Russian adventurism” because “this decision calls into question the security and diplomatic commitments the United States has made to Poland and the Czech Republic, and has the potential to undermine perceived American leadership in Eastern Europe.”

GOP lawmakers generally criticized the administration’s decision, saying Russia would read it as a sign of weakness and our allies would feel betrayed, or, at the least, confused. The co-chairman of the House Missile Defense Caucus, Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) accused President Obama of having “disgraced this nation by breaking his word to loyal and courageous allies in the Czech Republic and Poland.”

Trent went on to say the president “has also endangered this and coming generations from a possible missile attack from Iran or other rogue States in the Middle East who may soon attain ballistic missile capability.”

Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, offered a more supportive and measured view of the administration’s decision. “The President’s decision focuses on fielding effective capabilities to defend our forward deployed force and allies in Europe against the real and existing missile threat from Iran, which consists of short– and medium-range missiles, rather than only against a potential future long-range threat, he said.

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A few questions.

How does nixing the missile sites in Poland and Czech Republic undermine our security commitments to these countries?

I realize both countries view points on this are quite different than the U.S. point of view, but if Russia made any moves on them wouldn’t we act?

Do security commitments have to be limited to simply stationing missile sites in these countries?

The adventurism that Sen. John McCain alluded to, seems to be happening in Ukraine as we speak.

Seems to make sense to invest in PAC-3 systems we can place closer to Iran (in less politically inflammatory areas)in conjunction with sea and air based systems.

Good move. The Boeing GMD system was highly unproven and billions over budget. While PAC/MEADS systems aren’t cheap, they do have the advantage of being tested, proven and fileded. (and mobile)With a PAC/MEADS system our allies could bring in the systems when needed, and move them depending upon the threat picture.

My only surprise was why there was no mention of the THAAD mid-course interceptor?

Poland and the Czech Republic both voted to accept the BMD missiles and Radar respectively. Now US backs out because, as the perception is, they are afraid of Russia or because they are pandering to Russia. Hope you don’t need anything from those countries in the future. Its a perception thing and not just for Poland and the Czech Republic, but also countries like Georgia and the Ukraine as well as other former Soviet countries. They won’t make commitments because they know they will be tossed under the Bus.
Just where exactly are the less politically inflammatory places that allow intercept of Iranian long range missiles?
Possible we could deploy AEGIS/SM-3 block II shooters in the Black Sea, I am sure the Russians wouldn’t protest that. right.

As for the GMD system being highly unproven, since THAAD and PAC3 can’t do the mission that it was intended for, it is an apples to oranges comparison. One has the potential to shoot down ICBMs, the other one doesn’t.

The Bush Administration made a mistake getting Polish and Czech hopes about planned missile sites when politically it was a very contentious subject in the United Sates. So Polish and Czech politicians put themselves out, and (surprise)get the rug pulled out from under them with a new Administration. I’m certain there are less contentions ways to reaffirm security commitments to these countries than missile sites.

Furthermore, there are locations in Turkey and Israel in conjunction with sea based systems parked outside Iran.

The Russian’s are always going to be a pain in the ass, but choosing your battles carefully is the key to dealing with them effectively… instead of dragging yourself into a whole regional spat by granting Georgia and Ukraine Nato membership.

Should we have expected anything from these countries anyways? NATO is a useless alliance. People don’t realize how much of a headache the Russians can give us if they want. They sell Venezuela their MANPADs that will probably end up in the hands of FARC. They can sell technology and weapons to the Iranians that will end up in any number of countries killing U.S. and Israeli soldiers. Russian air defense systems proliferate like horny rabbits, and their newest ones deserve some respect. For something that doesn’t compromise the safety of the U.S., it sure can’t hurt to maintain a bargaining chip with the Russians.

How do you figure PAC-3, MEADS and THAAD win out? The White House Press release http://​www​.whitehouse​.gov/​t​h​e​_​p​r​e​s​s​_​o​f​f​i​c​e​/​F​A​C​T​-​S​H​E​E​T​-​U​S​-​M​i​s​s​i​l​e​-​D​e​f​e​n​s​e​-​P​o​l​i​c​y​-​A​-​P​h​a​s​e​d​-​A​d​a​p​t​i​v​e​-​A​p​p​r​o​a​c​h​-​f​o​r​-​M​i​s​s​i​l​e​-​D​e​f​e​n​s​e​-​i​n​-​E​u​r​o​pe/ repeated cites the SM-3. Seems to me that’s the clear winner

Ret152, I wrote an early version of this story before the WH release came out or the president spoke. THAAD was mentioned by Cartwright during the Pgon brief this morning, as was PAC-3. MEADS is essentially PAC interceptor plus. It ain’t coming out for a few more years but I think it will provide the program with some muhc needed support and a little momentum. Land-based SM-3 is the biggest winner.

Obama cut US GBI too so this is no surprise. Obama has little confidence in the Boeing anti-ICBM system. Despite the fact that recent tests have been successful and the technology of hit to kill is proven and in production with Thaad and the Navy’s SM missiles.

If our intelligence is wrong and Iran surprises us with a true ICBM, then we will have exactly the wrong missiles to defend Europe for many years. We’ll have easy to deploy Navy ships unable to catch up to an ICBM or easy to deploy Thaad also unable to match the speed of a ICBM.
His decision does reveal Obama’s character as a statesmen. It shows Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and others that vocal defiance will back down Obama. Is that good for the US and its friends?

Having said this, in a way I’m happy with this decision. European public opinion is against our GBI’s in Europe, especially Polish and Czech public opinion. So they get what they wanted.

All this sounds like billions upon billions of dollars for taxpayers to buy and then emplace and maintain over several years.

Not counting the commitment and cost of personnel.

Accumulative cost? Close to a trillion?

I vote that we just give Israel a hand in destroying all military targets in Iran.

I think it would not only be cheaper but send a much better message to the world.

Yes, I know Obama wouldn’t do it, but maybe his replacement would. He is not going to last four years.

Papa Ray
West Texas

The left hates weapons that work. GBI and THAAD have passed recent tests. This adminstraion lives in fear of the Russians like the Cold-War era Carter and Johnson ones.

For some reason they want diplomacy with acountry that is preparing for armageddon.

Why we need to spend money to defend the Europeans?.Cut the missile shield and cut the air bases from Germany and Aviano too

I agree with elgantoso, focus on countries that show the US some respect. Israel, Columbia, and SK. Europens are a bunch of ungreatful sob’s. But yeah, look at the bright side, the Defense Budget will likely increase much more then it would of 1 month ago. Think about it, your going to need more Navy ships built, more missiles, more man-power, and a VERY bigger Missile Defense Budget. 4% increase for the oveall 2010 budget for this year, I’m thinking at least 6% increase for the overall 2011 defense budget.…..Christmas came early for the USN.…

Maybe not Europe in generalbut Poland and CR have been strong allies. They see that Putin and obama for what they are anti democrat marxist.

No f22 to japan and austrailia either while Barry bows to Chavez, amadinajahd,Puti. The pattern is certain. No enemies on the left. He listened closely in j wrights is of kka church alright.

@ Elgatoso:

Thats how alliances work. We allow you to use our turf and let you take us on magical-but-ultimately-pointless middle eastern adventures whilst you assure us that you’ll stick up for us if the russians decide to pick up some extra real estate.

The reason why we are building a missile shield in Europe is that because thats where all the missiles are going to be headed. It’s not like Iran has a missile that can reach anywhere near mainland USA.

If it helps you sleep at night, if things ever really go nuclear it’s going to be Europe that gets turned into glass, not you guys, so quit yer yammerin.

Plus you guys still have to make up for the fact that you actually re-elected the guy that doesnt even know how to eat a friggin pretzel (insert in mouth, chew throughly, swallow), so at the very least you can help us avoid nuclear annihilation at the hands of some islamic extremists.

WarScientist must be studying the French and Indian War! Maybe the Peloponnesian War?

He says: “The reason why we are building a missile shield in Europe is that because thats where all the missiles are going to be headed” but where have been/are US missile defenses? Our SafeGuard system was in Concrete, North Dakota! The current system is in deep Alaska. You put missile defense systems, for ICBM type threats, under the flight path not anywhere near the targets!

A missile defense system in Europe would theoretically defend other areas — and could partly defend European territory.

Now that particular deployment is one that I have never understood or supported, so I can’t argue the logic of that one. I am quite happy to see it deleted and hope to see some money diverted to refreshing more immediately useful systems. Hope spring eternal.

Couldn’t agree more w/ Charles D Phillips.
I don’t know what the Poles or the Czecks did to po the Iranians, but I don’t think it’s enough for Iran to threaten them w/ missiles.
I’m inclined to believe the systems for those two countries was reward for supporting the Bush agenda in Iraq. Jobs for those two countries at the expense of their own security. Russia surely would target those sights priority one in the advent of hostilities w/ US.
I believe Iran is more interested in detering others from invading them rather than attacking Europe and the USA at risk of their own anhilation

War Scientist:Europe is richer that the USA.Spend a little more in defense.Buy more Typhoon.

Charles D Phillips, first off great pun with the french war thing. That totally got me. Secondly, have you ever looked at an atlas, or studied geography in school?

Yes, it turns out we are not actually talking about intercepting ICBMS here (try reading the article), but congratulations for being completely off-target and managing take my comments completely out of context.

For starters you dont need an INTER-CONTINENTAL ballistic missile when your target is less that 3000km away.

Ideally we would put our missile shields in turkey, but we all know how little the turks appreciate having american military hardware in their territory.

That leaves two choices, putting naval units fitted with intercept missiles under the flight path, and putting silos in mainland europe and making sure you have a good enough radar to detect launches early so you can still intercept them about halfway somewhere above the black sea.

Guess what, we are doing BOTH of those things. In addition to that, your great wisdom of putting interceptors under the flightpath would put the ideal intercepter locations in.……EUROPE!!!

This is NOT intended to be a WarScientist vs Phillips exchange, but WS does bring up some good points that illustrate the misunderstandings of this subject.

First, Stephen very correctly asked what the Czechs or Poles have done to irritate the Iranians. Why would Iran point a missile at central Europe? They would not! They have plenty of closer targets — just think what a problem it was for the allies during the first Gulf War, when Iraq fired few inaccurate Scuds at Israel! By Iran just firing missiles in the direcion of Tel Aviv, even if they feel short and hit Amman, they would be heroes. Until the day that the Iranians develop a hatred of Latvia, central Europe is safe from them.

So then what was the purpose of anti-missiles in Poland? No one ever figured that out. Missiles launched from Russia towards the US would go the other way, over the North Pole. An anti-missile site in Poland would be great if Russia ever launches missiles against Monaco, I guess.

And those anti-missiles were designed to be high altitude interceptors. Iran is not gonna launch any wire guided Saggers against Luxemburg. Any missile going over 1000 km is a ballistic missile all right, we could argue over the definition of InterContinental.

Another point — Turkey has welcomed lots of American hardware and people for decades. Places such as Dyabakir which is an ancient Kurdish city. If they wanted to keep us from seeing how they treat the Kurds, they would restrict us to western Turkey.

So we are left with the realisation that George Bush liked anti-missile systems and was gonna put one in central Europe somewhere. He should have concentrated on getting C-17s into Hungary — a move that will certainly pay off right away! He should have concentrated on getting The Ukraine into NATO, so the Polish F-16s would have some Ukrainian bases to fly out of. In case they wanted to fly top cover for Georgia!

Sorry for the length of the reply.

If you want a war, go messing around in the Russia’s backyard by making Ukraine part of Nato. The Russian’s (and many Ukrainians) see Ukraine as essentially part of Russia. There are many “emotional”, cultural, and historical bonds between Russians and Ukrainians that we would do best not to meddle in. Encouraging certain political elements in the country to split off from Russia to chase the fantasy of Nato membership, could spark territorial disputes/war between both Russia and Ukraine, and drag us in with it.

Off subject, but it had to be said.

Where is barry osbama when the Russians mess “in our backyard”?

Russia will help Cuba modernize its aging military equipment and provide training to the country’s military personnel, according to Chief of Russia’s General Staff Nikolai Makarov on Sept. 18.

Probably plotting with chavez to get their marxist buddy Zelya back in power.

dow

Russia will help Cuba modernize its aging military equipment?

Take your meds.

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