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> <channel><title>Comments on: McChrystal Troop Boost Comes Friday</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:33:58 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Ellen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14675</link> <dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:13:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14675</guid> <description>When are they going to learn that the Afghan government is only using us. That is what it really boils down to. They aid and help the enemy.If they really wanted to be free of AlQ and Taliban they would prove it but they don&#039;t. They just want what we can give. The real problem lays with Pakistan, they will not allow our troops in and work with theirs so they is the other problem.Keep in mind people NATO is behind all of this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are they going to learn that the Afghan government is only using us. That is what it really boils down to. They aid and help the enemy.If they really wanted to be free of AlQ and Taliban they would prove it but they don’t. They just want what we can give. The real problem lays with Pakistan, they will not allow our troops in and work with theirs so they is the other problem.Keep in mind people NATO is behind all of this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: giley1</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14638</link> <dc:creator>giley1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:57:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14638</guid> <description>I am in full agreement with General McChrystal. Either fight and win the war the right way or get the hell out and leave it to the locals to fight for themselves. When are we going to learn. We keep fighting a limited war and more of our young and brave lose their lives.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in full agreement with General McChrystal. Either fight and win the war the right way or get the hell out and leave it to the locals to fight for themselves. When are we going to learn. We keep fighting a limited war and more of our young and brave lose their lives.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Byron Skinner</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14635</link> <dc:creator>Byron Skinner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:57:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14635</guid> <description>Good Morning pennst98,You have moved for the macro to the nitty gritty micro of the problem. The question I think you are posing is how should Afghanistan be governed which I think is a legitimate consideration even at this point in the process.Under the last administration they form of government was spelled out, a capital market based economy, a  representative democratic structure, with universal franchise, and open and free elections. In Afghanistan it is very clear that this model will not happen.Afghanistan has a traditional folk culture that has been  governed if you will by what amounts to a tribal, clan, village, family oligarchies.Some western thinking can be incorporated such as women&#039;s rights and universal education and some western social institutions such as health care and state funded education but thats about the limits of westernization that can happen at this time in history.The Afghan&#039;s are not yet ready to establish a criminal legal system and commercial code that suits the west, and a true parliamentary type of government or other western political or economic institutions. The US has to live with that.In short I think the US can put in place some western reforms but the basic structure of governance is, as it should be up to the Afghan&#039;s.ALLONS,
Byron Skinner</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning pennst98,</p><p>You have moved for the macro to the nitty gritty micro of the problem. The question I think you are posing is how should Afghanistan be governed which I think is a legitimate consideration even at this point in the process.</p><p>Under the last administration they form of government was spelled out, a capital market based economy, a  representative democratic structure, with universal franchise, and open and free elections. In Afghanistan it is very clear that this model will not happen.</p><p>Afghanistan has a traditional folk culture that has been  governed if you will by what amounts to a tribal, clan, village, family oligarchies.</p><p>Some western thinking can be incorporated such as women’s rights and universal education and some western social institutions such as health care and state funded education but thats about the limits of westernization that can happen at this time in history.</p><p>The Afghan’s are not yet ready to establish a criminal legal system and commercial code that suits the west, and a true parliamentary type of government or other western political or economic institutions. The US has to live with that.</p><p>In short I think the US can put in place some western reforms but the basic structure of governance is, as it should be up to the Afghan’s.</p><p>ALLONS,<br
/> Byron Skinner</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: soonergrunt</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14630</link> <dc:creator>soonergrunt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:17:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14630</guid> <description>Pennst98--that is one of the best short versions of successful COIN/Nation Building (there&#039;s really not a lot of difference) that I&#039;ve read, as well as a very good description of the current problem.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pennst98–that is one of the best short versions of successful COIN/Nation Building (there’s really not a lot of difference) that I’ve read, as well as a very good description of the current problem.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pennst98</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14628</link> <dc:creator>pennst98</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14628</guid> <description>All great comments, I&#039;d just add my usual &quot;this isn&#039;t about military force, its’ about perception&quot; speech. I really think that either the Administration and Pentagon don’t understand the situation on the ground, or they’re getting the usual revolving door advisor/lobbyist bad advice. In the end given the “cursed if you pull out, damned if you stay” aspect of Afghanistan both branches want to appear like they’re “doing something” in Afghanistan.Unfortunately what they’re doing is escalating what is already turning out to be another Vietnam. Our problem isn’t military power, its legitimacy. They need to sort out / redo this election fiasco and bring some order and stability to A (any, pick one) section of the country.I think as westerners, raised in a great country like ours we forget how unique we are in the world.  We see that our system works and figure it will work everywhere else. The flaw in that thinking is that in order for our system of governance to work we need rule of law, a sense of national coherence, and acceptance of the governed.We should have come in and taken over and established rule of law as step one. Only once there is stability does anyone care who’s in charge. Once you show them that a central authority can be fair, even BENEFICAL to their existence will you begin to see cooperation and acceptance. You win credibility and keep the peace by showing you’re here to help; so you set up hospitals, give out goats, connect trade routes, dig wells, etc. At first you gain the consent of the governed through security and economic development; whether you call it hearts and minds or buying their loyalty the result is the same. As you progress you gain their trust and loyalty by gradually handing over legal and administration to them until they think they did it for themselves. . .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All great comments, I’d just add my usual “this isn’t about military force, its’ about perception” speech. I really think that either the Administration and Pentagon don’t understand the situation on the ground, or they’re getting the usual revolving door advisor/lobbyist bad advice. In the end given the “cursed if you pull out, damned if you stay” aspect of Afghanistan both branches want to appear like they’re “doing something” in Afghanistan.</p><p>Unfortunately what they’re doing is escalating what is already turning out to be another Vietnam. Our problem isn’t military power, its legitimacy. They need to sort out / redo this election fiasco and bring some order and stability to A (any, pick one) section of the country.</p><p>I think as westerners, raised in a great country like ours we forget how unique we are in the world.  We see that our system works and figure it will work everywhere else. The flaw in that thinking is that in order for our system of governance to work we need rule of law, a sense of national coherence, and acceptance of the governed.</p><p>We should have come in and taken over and established rule of law as step one. Only once there is stability does anyone care who’s in charge. Once you show them that a central authority can be fair, even BENEFICAL to their existence will you begin to see cooperation and acceptance. You win credibility and keep the peace by showing you’re here to help; so you set up hospitals, give out goats, connect trade routes, dig wells, etc. At first you gain the consent of the governed through security and economic development; whether you call it hearts and minds or buying their loyalty the result is the same. As you progress you gain their trust and loyalty by gradually handing over legal and administration to them until they think they did it for themselves…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: roland</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14621</link> <dc:creator>roland</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:58:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14621</guid> <description>I think General’s McChrystal, and Petareus are the best generals in the world. But I think they are doing a repeat of what the russians have experienced. Just train good Afghan troops and have them fight thier own battles. Remember not all Afghan are bad or Zazi like.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think General’s McChrystal, and Petareus are the best generals in the world. But I think they are doing a repeat of what the russians have experienced. Just train good Afghan troops and have them fight thier own battles. Remember not all Afghan are bad or Zazi like.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Byron Skinner</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14582</link> <dc:creator>Byron Skinner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14582</guid> <description>Good Afternoon Folks,I would say the question that General&#039;s McChrystal, and Petareus show be asking of President Obama is do we want to go back to Afghanistan and do this all over, for a third time in the future or remove Afghanistan from the list of countries that are willing to incubate terrorists and provide a safe harbor to new terrorists organizations.We can and will deal with al Qadea and bin Laden, one way or another and bin Laden himself will be history, but there is no shortage of wealthy interests that are willing to create and support terrorists organizations.The Taliban who would rule at least part of a US free Afghanistan have already show that the will rent out their country to the highest buyer.Al Qaeda only raised the bar on 9/11 and there are, I&#039;m sure others, and not necessarily Islamic interests, that would like to raise the level of terrorism bar even higher.This should be the question not the short term economic and political costs of Afghanistan, the last administration already did that and now we are having to revisit the problem seven years later.Stupidity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome.ALLONS,
Byron Skinner</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Afternoon Folks,</p><p>I would say the question that General’s McChrystal, and Petareus show be asking of President Obama is do we want to go back to Afghanistan and do this all over, for a third time in the future or remove Afghanistan from the list of countries that are willing to incubate terrorists and provide a safe harbor to new terrorists organizations.</p><p>We can and will deal with al Qadea and bin Laden, one way or another and bin Laden himself will be history, but there is no shortage of wealthy interests that are willing to create and support terrorists organizations.</p><p>The Taliban who would rule at least part of a US free Afghanistan have already show that the will rent out their country to the highest buyer.</p><p>Al Qaeda only raised the bar on 9/11 and there are, I’m sure others, and not necessarily Islamic interests, that would like to raise the level of terrorism bar even higher.</p><p>This should be the question not the short term economic and political costs of Afghanistan, the last administration already did that and now we are having to revisit the problem seven years later.</p><p>Stupidity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome.</p><p>ALLONS,<br
/> Byron Skinner</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TB</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/09/24/mcchrystals-troop-request-in-two-days-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-14575</link> <dc:creator>TB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10044#comment-14575</guid> <description>Someone pointed out to me yesterday that while we could probably put 30,000 more guys to good use, we still don&#039;t have a written strategy from the head shed.  There&#039;s a good chance Obama and McCrystal don&#039;t have the same mission in mind.  30,000 troops to hunt AQ and the Taliban is much different from 30,000 to build a country.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone pointed out to me yesterday that while we could probably put 30,000 more guys to good use, we still don’t have a written strategy from the head shed.  There’s a good chance Obama and McCrystal don’t have the same mission in mind.  30,000 troops to hunt AQ and the Taliban is much different from 30,000 to build a country.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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