JSF Engine Word War Waxes Hotter

JSF Engine Word War Waxes Hotter

Pratt & Whitney must be feeling the heat from the GE/Rolls Royce team if their latest posting on the company blog is any indication. As the defense authorization conference talks gather steam, these wars of words will be watched closely by staff and their bosses, also known as lawmakers.

“The manufacturers of the F136 alternate engine continue to manipulate the debate over continued funding of their back-up engine for the Joint Strike Fighter. Three weeks ago, the GE/Rolls team announced they had provided the Defense Department with an unsolicited “fixed price proposal”. Last week Colin Clark pointed out in his DoD Buzz blog that GE’s proposal was little more than a pledge to keep costs under control for a program – the alternate engine – that is so immature that such a promise is all but meaningless,” the corporate author claims. “And today, GE/Rolls have once again announced that they are offering the government an unsolicited firm fixed price proposal. So now they are offering two firm fixed price proposals complete with the PR extravaganza that goes with such an announcement all in one month? That seems strange. GE may argue that their first offering was a “concept” and that this offering is an actual “proposal.” Why didn’t they just offer the proposal to begin with? Whatever semantics you use in naming both of these offers, it’s important to remember that both have been unsolicited by the government because the Joint Program Office has been clear that a FFP is not what they want at this stage of the program.”

[I’m not going to quibble about the author’s characterization of my story. You can read it here.]


GE spokesman Rick Kennedy slammed back in an email to me: “What is GE manipulating? We never said in early September that we offered a contract proposal. We met to formalize an aggressive fixed-price approach. Following that meeting, GE/RR submitted a binding letter of intent. Then, at the behest of the Pentagon, GE/RR submitted a formal contract proposal this week, with terms and conditions details.”

Kennedy went on to argue that his company’s efforts were helping drive Pratt to drop its price. “P&W responded by submitting a contract proposal for early, low-rate production engines on a cost-plus basis which they claim is even more competitive. OK, game on. The engine competition was accelerated by three years,” he wrote.

Pratt, obviously anticipating some of GE’s ripostes, virtually stuck out their tongues saying, “they ignore an inconvenient fact – Pratt & Whitney offered the same fixed price option to the Joint Program Office several months ago, and the government decided to stay with their current acquisition strategy, which Pratt & Whitney has respected and complied with… [Later] The company released information on their Low Rate Initial Production Lot 4 contract proposal, which offers double digit percentage cost savings over the previous contract for Lot 3, reflects aggressive efforts to reduce costs and provides the Joint Program Office specific protections against cost growth and incentives for even further cost reduction.”

While Pratt officials have repeatedly told me they are not responding to pressure from GE/RR, it is clear they are feeling the heat.

Meanwhile, GE’s Kennedy says the company’s “strategy all along has been to change the JSF engine business model to accelerate acquisition reform at the very time P&W faces significant cost overruns and an investigation by the OSD over its cost structure. In order for the GE/RR engine to receive funding, the companies have to demonstrate a level of acquisition reform to satisfy the Administration.”

While I don’t think many people would believe GE is doing all this fundamentally to help the American taxpayer and our government, GE clearly has done a compelling job of packaging its arguments, especially the line about competition. How many Americans — especially on the Hill — will say they don’t support economic competition?

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Sorry Colin I just don’t see it. Until there is some move on the part of the USAF/DOD &/or Congress to indicate ANY possibility of an alternate engine contract all this talk of “P&W feeling the heat” sounds more like a lot of hot air to me.

If competition is so important, why are there not competitive offers for other key components such as landing gear, system software, or even the entire airframe? BOTH the Republican administration under Bush and the Obama administration have said the alternate engine is wasteful. The DOD has said they don’t want it. The Navy has said it makes things worse, not better. How obvious does this have to get?

Its not needed!It’s so obvious…

pfcem,

My conclusion about Pratt feeling the heat comes from conversations with multiple sources inside Pratt and elsewhere. This does not mean that I believe we need a second engine or that I oppose it. To be honest, I’ve heard compelling arguments on both sides and am so far agnostic.

Regarless if the second engine is a good idea or not.

Briefing slides and other material spanning from 2002 to as recently as the May 2009 Canada F-35 sales brief et al, show that two engine vendors has been sold/briefed/blue-sky marketed to JSF partner nations for years as a value-added portion of sustainment costs on the jet. So a little more truth-in-advertising for the program (surprise, surprise) is what is needed.

Part of the reason for the second engine being thrown away is for no other reason than the fact that the F-35 program was at risk of breaching Nunn-McCurdy.

The magical figure of PW bringing up potential savings of 30% over the next several years with the engine is because their costs on the engine have blow-out 30%.

No. I do not expect any honesty from industry on the issue of two engines for the F-35 program. However, like it or not, the assumed value of two engine vendors is exactly what was sold to JSF partner nations ever since the JSF started. Trying to white-wash this one over on Gates and President Obama is easy enough becuase they are being poorly advised.

Hey GE, if it’s such a grand idea fund the rest of the developement inhouse and reap the rewards when the orders roll in.

The US Navy has been forced to accept substandard engines in the past, PW TF-30’s for the F-14 instead of the GE F-100 from the F-15.
The issue of two engines is logistics. A single engine simplifies that problem. This doesn’t necessarily mean that PW is the better engine, only that they have the current contract. GE has a good reputation for jet engines, they will be able to sell them for commercial aircraft.

Why are we wasting money on a jet that doesn’t even perform as well as the F-4 of the 60’s?

Both the GE/Rolls Royce team and Pratt & Whitney present eloquent arguments in support of their corporation’s goals, however, from a taxpayers position I think there is a viable alternative. Simply put I believe that the ‘Lessons Learned’ from the Tomahawk cruise missile program should be applied. In that case, after a very rigorous competition between Teledyne/CAE and Williams International one engine manufacturer, Williams International, demonstrated a superior engine. However, for many of the same reasons espoused by both GE Rolls and Pratt, the government made the decision to have both companies produce the winning design. The cost savings from not funding the development of two separate designs were significant, however, the true cost savings came as these companies competed for every block of production engines. Perhaps it’s time that we learn from our past successes rahter than our past failures!!

I’m with C.P. Daelemans comments and if Mr. Gates wants to accelerate the F-135 prduction with another line, why not have Boeing St. Louis become a second source as a competitor on the airframe, and this will help keep the cost down and help eccelerate production and make this a win win for all concerned.

Why is this even an issue, the F-35 hasnt even been in service for a year and they already want an alternate engine. This makes no sense, it won the contract with the current engine there is no reason to waste money on the other engine. How about you let the F-35 fly in active duty for a couple years and then upgrade the engine if you feel its needed just like they did with previous fighters. This everything needs to be upgraded every 5 minutes mentality is just wasting money.

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