Comments on: Navy Launches Green Hornet http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:49:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kevinhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-22571 Kevin Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:03:16 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-22571 Soooo, 3% of annual use = 127,000 BARRELS (typically 55 gal each) of fuel a year per plane?!?!? that's almost 7,000,000 gallons. If that's the case, that would mean the plane uses well over 210,000,000 gallons per year. Can't be true, can it? They must have meant gallons per year, per plane., which still puts it at an astronomical amount of fuel burned per plane. Soooo, 3% of annual use = 127,000 BARRELS (typically 55 gal each) of fuel a year per plane?!?!? that’s almost 7,000,000 gallons. If that’s the case, that would mean the plane uses well over 210,000,000 gallons per year.

Can’t be true, can it? They must have meant gallons per year, per plane., which still puts it at an astronomical amount of fuel burned per plane.

]]> By: Kevinhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-22572 Kevin Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:03:16 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-22572 Soooo, 3% of annual use = 127,000 BARRELS (typically 55 gal each) of fuel a year per plane?!?!? that's almost 7,000,000 gallons. If that's the case, that would mean the plane uses well over 210,000,000 gallons per year. Can't be true, can it? They must have meant gallons per year, per plane., which still puts it at an astronomical amount of fuel burned per plane. Soooo, 3% of annual use = 127,000 BARRELS (typically 55 gal each) of fuel a year per plane?!?!? that’s almost 7,000,000 gallons. If that’s the case, that would mean the plane uses well over 210,000,000 gallons per year.

Can’t be true, can it? They must have meant gallons per year, per plane., which still puts it at an astronomical amount of fuel burned per plane.

]]> By: Anonymousehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-22520 Anonymouse Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:20:43 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-22520 Tanamount to admission that the oil shortage problem looms large on the horizon and a reason all Americans must think Electric - cars and electric bullet train networks such as Europe and China have up and running for basic survival. Yankee Doodle - there goes your Chevrolet! Tanamount to admission that the oil shortage problem looms large on the horizon and a reason all Americans must think Electric — cars and electric bullet train networks such as Europe and China have up and running for basic survival. Yankee Doodle — there goes your Chevrolet!

]]> By: Speedyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-22512 Speedy Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:07:56 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-22512 Hrmm...I wonder what sort of emissions this will produce? Does it take more Biofuel to do this than regular fuel? Will the new engine propel the F/A-18 to it's current level? Hrmm…I wonder what sort of emissions this will produce? Does it take more Biofuel to do this than regular fuel? Will the new engine propel the F/A-18 to it’s current level?

]]> By: rolandhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-16453 roland Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:25:18 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-16453 Aside from green energy , I think it would be cool if we make/modify the hornets engine the same speed capacity as the F-22 and F-23. Aside from green energy , I think it would be cool if we make/modify the hornets engine the same speed capacity as the F-22 and F-23.

]]> By: elgatosohttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15383 elgatoso Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:28:15 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15383 it is time for a all nuclear navy it is time for a all nuclear navy

]]> By: kurtishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15342 kurtis Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:33:29 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15342 umm if u think going green is girly-man engineering then you got issues umm if u think going green is girly-man engineering then you got issues

]]> By: kurtishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15341 kurtis Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:30:42 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15341 sup dude sup dude

]]> By: kurtishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15340 kurtis Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:28:59 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15340 omg! im a crazy beast omg! im a crazy beast

]]> By: kurtishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15339 kurtis Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:26:52 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15339 Deltaflot i like my french fires i hope it does smell like french fires Deltaflot i like my french fires i hope it does smell like french fires

]]> By: J.Baldwinhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15328 J.Baldwin Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:40:33 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15328 It always take people with vision to drag the nay sayer into a better approach. Seems like some in this forum would still perfer a coal burning navy. It always take people with vision to drag the nay sayer into a better approach. Seems like some in this forum would still perfer a coal burning navy.

]]> By: Davidatphttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15300 Davidatp Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:37:26 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15300 It's been a long time coming. Glad to see the Navy is leading the way as usual... It’s been a long time coming. Glad to see the Navy is leading the way as usual…

]]> By: Uncle Bhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15285 Uncle B Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:56:01 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15285 Survivalists, off gridders, patriots in America are in grave need of super-insulation, information technologies and applications! We wish to conserve oil, feed the nation, this way! Can the U.S. Navy Labs help us out! We appreciated the short blurb ( clandestine) depleted Uranium batteries and the fantastic light weight 400 hz super-generators by the "Patriot" in your name! Can't find the site on Google anymore! Howcum? Please "dribble down" any technologies that can help save oil and make for better support for you by survivors, off-gridders as we stand tall for you and your work! Survivalists, off gridders, patriots in America are in grave need of super-insulation, information technologies and applications! We wish to conserve oil, feed the nation, this way! Can the U.S. Navy Labs help us out! We appreciated the short blurb ( clandestine) depleted Uranium batteries and the fantastic light weight 400 hz super-generators by the “Patriot” in your name! Can’t find the site on Google anymore! Howcum? Please “dribble down” any technologies that can help save oil and make for better support for you by survivors, off-gridders as we stand tall for you and your work!

]]> By: F/18 mechhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15278 F/18 mech Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:39:43 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15278 Great to try new methods, especially with the savings of 127,000 barrels per year. When they start favoring contracts for "energy efficiency" however, that becomes scary. If this process slows our logistics speed, it will have a ripple affect on our maintenance turnaround. This would be fine for a "rag" squadron, but I find it unlikely our sea squadrons/battlegroups will transition as fast as the author is contending. Great to try new methods, especially with the savings of 127,000 barrels per year. When they start favoring contracts for “energy efficiency” however, that becomes scary. If this process slows our logistics speed, it will have a ripple affect on our maintenance turnaround. This would be fine for a “rag” squadron, but I find it unlikely our sea squadrons/battlegroups will transition as fast as the author is contending.

]]> By: jimbohttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15277 jimbo Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:19:16 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15277 Well i think this was thought up way before obama's administration.. well atleast on the air force side... been in the works for years! i suspect the navy side has been working on this for awile too, atleast planning it..... Well i think this was thought up way before obama’s administration.. well atleast on the air force side… been in the works for years! i suspect the navy side has been working on this for awile too, atleast planning it.….

]]> By: Drake1http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15265 Drake1 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:37:24 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15265 I think the Obama Administration wants to use the military as test bed for this technology, with an eye for touting various prototypes produced from it, (such as the green Hornet) to push for domestic adoption of similar technologies. If it actually works, I'm all for it, but you can't deny the political component of this initiative. I think the Obama Administration wants to use the military as test bed for this technology, with an eye for touting various prototypes produced from it, (such as the green Hornet) to push for domestic adoption of similar technologies. If it actually works, I’m all for it, but you can’t deny the political component of this initiative.

]]> By: jimbohttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15263 jimbo Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:26:10 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15263 I think the military wants to be more intedepenant from foreign oil.. and i think this is the right step.Ya i wondered about the smell myself... haha i actually like the smell of jet fuel in the morngin though.. ahha I think the military wants to be more intedepenant from foreign oil.. and i think this is the right step.

Ya i wondered about the smell myself… haha i actually like the smell of jet fuel in the morngin though.. ahha

]]> By: Deltaflothttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15248 Deltaflot Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:55:04 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15248 So does this mean that F-18 exhaust will smell like french fries like the exhaust from some of these biodiesel cars running around :) As stated before, if it doesn't hurt the military's mission, than I all for it. So does this mean that F-18 exhaust will smell like french fries like the exhaust from some of these biodiesel cars running around :) As stated before, if it doesn’t hurt the military’s mission, than I all for it.

]]> By: Curthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15232 Curt Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:24:41 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15232 Not a lot new here, just repackaged info. Couple of things, - Change to the legacy F-18s is to fly higher in controlled airspace. No change in the aircraft, merely changing equipment to make the FAA (and equivilent civilian air control agencies) happy. The plane could always fly that high, it just couldn't regularly use the airspace. This was announced months ago.- Ditto new anti-fouling paint. Its being tested now and was announced months ago. Good antifouling paint helps in a variety of ways beyond fuel savings (more speed, less cleaning, potentially longer time between docking, potentially lower noise) and the Navy has been updating its materials for litterally its entire existance.- Stern flaps have been studied for years. Issue has always been that the hassle of stern flaps (more hydraulics, more complexity when docking, weights at the extreme end of the ship, etc), vastly outweigh the fuel savings that are only derived at higher speeds (stern flaps are used to reduce squatting). When you add the cost of retro-fitting, not sure it will make sense.@Alex, I don't envision the Navy hauling biofuels (or synthetic fuels for that matter) all the way around the world to run the fleet unless they absolutely have too. Most of the fuel is going to be sourced somewhere nearby if possible, it is a lot cheaper that way. We would need a lot more tankers than we have now for that.@atacms The biofuels the USN and USAF has been testing in jet engines will work fine in Army vehicles with no changes. It is basically just a different mix that is still JetA1/JP5/JP8. When the navy speaks of hybrid drive, they are talking integrated electric drive (DDG1000) or slow speed electric drive (LHD7). No batteries or other super high tech stuff, only better efficiency from your normal engines that will use "biofuel" that looks just like DFM or JP5.@Drake1 No ethanol here, they are using a biodiesel like product mixed with JET A1. JP5 and JP8 is basically Jet A1 with some additives. Not a lot new here, just repackaged info. Couple of things,
– Change to the legacy F-18s is to fly higher in controlled airspace. No change in the aircraft, merely changing equipment to make the FAA (and equivilent civilian air control agencies) happy. The plane could always fly that high, it just couldn’t regularly use the airspace. This was announced months ago.

- Ditto new anti-fouling paint. Its being tested now and was announced months ago. Good antifouling paint helps in a variety of ways beyond fuel savings (more speed, less cleaning, potentially longer time between docking, potentially lower noise) and the Navy has been updating its materials for litterally its entire existance.

- Stern flaps have been studied for years. Issue has always been that the hassle of stern flaps (more hydraulics, more complexity when docking, weights at the extreme end of the ship, etc), vastly outweigh the fuel savings that are only derived at higher speeds (stern flaps are used to reduce squatting). When you add the cost of retro-fitting, not sure it will make sense.

@Alex,
I don’t envision the Navy hauling biofuels (or synthetic fuels for that matter) all the way around the world to run the fleet unless they absolutely have too. Most of the fuel is going to be sourced somewhere nearby if possible, it is a lot cheaper that way. We would need a lot more tankers than we have now for that.

@atacms
The biofuels the USN and USAF has been testing in jet engines will work fine in Army vehicles with no changes. It is basically just a different mix that is still JetA1/JP5/JP8. When the navy speaks of hybrid drive, they are talking integrated electric drive (DDG1000) or slow speed electric drive (LHD7). No batteries or other super high tech stuff, only better efficiency from your normal engines that will use “biofuel” that looks just like DFM or JP5.

@Drake1
No ethanol here, they are using a biodiesel like product mixed with JET A1. JP5 and JP8 is basically Jet A1 with some additives.

]]> By: rolandhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/10/14/navy-launches-green-hornet/#comment-15214 roland Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:05:08 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=10516#comment-15214 I think its cool. This is a step forward to green energy. GO NAVY! I think its cool. This is a step forward to green energy.

GO NAVY!

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