Send Civilians, Don’t Nation Build

Send Civilians, Don’t Nation Build

One of my favorite strategic thinkers, Steven Metz from the Army War College, has an article at The New Republic site arguing that the military is woefully ill-suited for nation building, that it should accept that reality and promptly off-load that mistakenly imposed part of its job description. Re-engineering weak states is so complicated an endeavor that its really a job best left to the professionals: primarily civilian experts in infrastructure development, financial and economic planning, education, governance and the rule of law.

That same point, that the military is just not a very effective tool for rebuilding war torn states, was echoed in an interesting conversation I had this week with a group of veteran Army field grade officers currently studying at the Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. “The Army is so good at winning the battles, but we do not have the capability to win the peace,” said Maj. Phil Kiniery, “that is where the interagency and all of our partners outside of DoD are better used.”

“It’s not just us [the Army] it’s also an interagency solution to what we see in both Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Maj. Tim Gallagher who saw the importance of civilian agency skills and experience during deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan , “I’m a believer.”


The problem is the shortage of civilian reconstruction experts, said Kiniery. “We’re always asking for this interagency piece to help us out but the government is not funding the interagency. We’re asking the State Department to pony up a bunch of people, we’re asking USAID to pony up a bunch of people, they just don’t have it.”

In the absence of civilian experts, the troops are forced to assume roles for which they’re not trained and don’t have experience, particularly the very specific skills needed for post-conflict reconstruction. “Bottom line is they’re the experts, they need to be on the ground, they need to help us, we can do everything we can to secure them,” Kiniery said, “but when you’ve got a [soldier] out there and you tell him to go set up a power grid for ten cities and he just graduated from college and he’s a lieutenant, he’s going to do his best, but there are those professionals out there… we just can’t do it without them.”

Even while they fully recognize the challenges the military faces in the Afghanistan project, the consensus among the group of Army field grades was that Gen. Stanley McChrystal will need more troops to stabilize the situation there. Without enough boots-on-the-ground, you get stuck in the all too familiar whack-a-mole counterinsurgency game, said Maj. Michael Conway, speaking from his own experience during the surge in Iraq in 2007–2008. “By having enough people, it allowed us to leave people where that mole was and move on to the next target, rather than the do more with less principle… when you move on, the mole comes back.”

In places such as the Helmand Valley in Afghanistan, the shortage of troops has made it impossible to do the “hold and build” part of the “clear, hold and build” counterinsurgency approach, said Dutch Army Maj. Kristian Kold, an Afghanistan veteran and international student at CGSC, who was also on the conference call. “We didn’t have enough forces, we had the ability to go to some remote area and stay for a while and kick out the Taliban. But every time we left, the Taliban would come back and we’d be back to the status quo or even worse, because now we’ve disappointed the local population.” Winning over the population will require a demonstration of commitment and staying put once troops clear the Taliban from contested zones, he said.

Along with more troops, there must be a shift in the effort from trying to run down insurgents, to focusing on the convincing the Afghan people that the U.S. and NATO have more to offer than the Taliban, said Maj. Sebastian Pastor, who agrees with the strategic direction being pushed by McChrystal. To do that will require troops move off the big bases and get out and live among the people in their small rural villages, he said. “We can’t do everything at once, we can’t fix the infrastructure all around Afghanistan, but maybe we can fix it around specific towns and cities and go from there.”

What was Metz’s recommendation?

“If we are unwilling to pay the price for a serious civilian capability–and admit that foisting the job of development and political assistance on the military is a bad idea–the only option is to alter our basic strategy. We could find a way to thwart Al Qaeda and other terrorists without trying to re-engineer weak states. We could, in other words, get out of the counterinsurgency and stabilization business. This is not an attractive option and entails many risks. But it does reflect reality. Ultimately, it may be better than a strategy based on a capability that exists only in our minds.”

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No human can “Re-engineer another country!” America sucks at human intelligence if you haven’t noticed.…

Well, there’s no evidence other agencies can do it either. Seriously, where’s the wartorn country rebuilt by the State Dept?

Very few State people are willing to go into the muck without massive protection. They are willing to go to Baghdad and Kabul — as long as they don’t have to outside the wire very often.

Civilian won’t venture into wartorn countries in large #s. The only large #s of Americans willing and able to venture into such danger are military personnel.

Civilians won’t go where they aren’t safe. And the scenario presumes an unsafe environment. Which is why we end up having the military do it.

Good Evening Folks,

Afghanistan is a war zone and no place for needless American civilians to be. Their presence would require protection by the US military which would add another layer of burdens to the military who already have enough to do.

That said the work of reconstruction and bringing Afghanistan for the 16th. to the 20th. Century is part of the job in Afghanistan and this is where Speciality Engineering Units of the National Guard could be flagged up.

With in the NG there is a lot of specialities with in it’s personal that go unused. I’m sure that from the mid west and farm belt states there is an abundance of men and women with agricultural experience and formal training in Agriculture Sciences which appear to be the needed skills in Afghanistan. Other nation building skills in the trades, arts, eduation, business, administration, legal, law enforcement etc. are also in Guard Units.

These people are already on the payroll, the concept of warrior farmer, builder, teacher etc. might have a strong appeal in the traditional Afghan culture.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Let me speak from first hand experience regarding the civilian reconstruction and the inability to get more.… I am MORE than qualified for several positions, and have applied on more than one occasion. HOWEVER!! The hoops that they make you jump through, just to “qualify” (in their eyes), are enormous!! Its insulting to a person of my education and experience. When you read the “List of Qualifications/Experience/Duties” and find that you (more) than qualify, you apply, pass their “Assessment” questions, go to phase 1…Then you wait.…and wait.…and wait..They are specific in their job posting that you are NOT allowed to contact anyone. They do not give name/phone/address/email/fax. Sometimes you hear by email (one to six months), sometimes you never hear from them. You can check the government job site, look under “your applications”, most of the time it will say “application status unknown”.…The quagmire thickens…IF you are granted a PHONE interview, then its on their convenience. This could last 30 min to 1 hour.…..THEN you wait (some more)…A month or two could go by, MAYBE you get another call or an email asking for you to fly/drive for a personal interview (AT YOUR EXPENSE). You get 30 min to 1 hour in front of 3 people…Then you go home and WAIT some more…You may or may not hear from them..4–6 weeks later, you get an email stating that “someone with a veterans preference was hired over you”. I do not have a problem with a verteran getting the job over me!!! BUT, I do have a problem with spending a LOT of money and being inconvenienced (time off work, expenses on flights/car rentals/hotels)on a job that they really want a veteran for. PLUS RELOCATION EXPENSES ARE NOT COVERED!! STOP wasting the civilian experts time if you are not going to hire us! Professionals get sick and tired of being jerked around. Many of us have discussed this at length, and come to the same agreement… Why bother applying?

ALL
Tamber’s post hits the nail square. THE OBNA Civil Beaurcracy truly is not interested in solving the AFG and IRAQ problem. Nor are they interested in Civilian Participation. Less is better, as it supports the Leftist agenda of Isolation, Failure of the USA FP issues.
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Guard and Reserve Soldiers who have these civilian skills and experience may serve best in these “civilian’ positions.

The countries rebuilt fell under the Marshall Plan. Look at Japan and Gernany today!

Skinner, Tamber, and jdd have hit the mark. The regular State Department folks have neither the experience nor the numbers to do the job of nation building. The active Army and Marines are great at winning battles, but not building countries. The source of the nation builders is the reserve components. There are thousands of them currently serving who could do this mission. In Addition, there are many thousands more who are retired who could help. All the data on civilian occupations should be in the computers in St. Louis. We could have cut through the paperwork B/S and put these folks on the ground years ago. They are all trained and can provide their own security without the need for combat troops to cover them.

The government needs to think out of the box and get its collective head out of its collective fourth point of contact.

LTC MIke

None of the civilian experts nor even State Department officials in Iraq and Afghanistan are there because they have to be — all of them are volunteers. You’d have to massively expand and streamline the hiring effort and probably force large number of State Dept. employees to go on these missions to have any hope of duplicating the scale of the military’s nation building efforts.

I heard State under the Bush Administration was doing late in it’s term, but I have no idea what the Obama Administration is doing?

Good Morning Folks,

Thanks LTC Keenan for the kind words, some agreement once in a while is a good for the moral.

To Helen, the Marshall plan saved Europe no doubt about it, and was some of the best money the U.S. ever spent, but sorry to say it doesn’t apply in Afghanistan, the war is still going on.

Contrary to what the elite media is saying it appears that what the U.S. is and have been doing in Afghanistan has shown positive results and we are building on it. The status of women is greatly improving, children are in school. roads are be repaired or built, wells are being dug etc. I guess the new phrase for this is, pick one either “Soft” or as the LA Times is trying to promote, COIN “Light”.

The first thing to do is sh** can the Petraeus COIN manual, the Marines have pointed out the flaws in the COIN manual and are doing it their way as they did in the An Bur in Iraq.

The 2nd MEF and the 2/8 Marines are showing how it can be done. Units are put into communities, they provide security as well as the civil affairs program and handing outbsmall amounts of money to the end recipients to rebuild something or to start an economic enterprise.

An example of this by Marines of the 8th. Regiment, was to obtain for a village woman a foot peddle sewing machine and a small amount of money for her to buy material and notions, like $50.00 in cash, and she went into the business of making shirts. Six months later she had made enough profit to BUY another sewing machine and was employing two other people and had opened a retail shop to sell her shirts.

Jr. Offices tours will overlap and when an officers redeployed to Afghanistan they will go back to the same are where they are know by the locals. The deployed battalions will be relieved by sister battalions from the same Regiment. The Marines have sent the message to the local Taliban of either give it up and come in or we will kill you. This seems to work.

General McChrystan being a disciple of General Petraeus, and way to inclined to use Spec. Ops instead of conventional units at times, should be replaced by Marine General Mattis who from the very beginning in Iraq understood the reconstruction problems and found workable solutions.

Contrary to popular myth the Military does do nation building very well, when they can do it there way from the bottom up. It’s when the Professional State Department types get involve and insist on a top down approach usually working with a corrupt unpopular Government that thing go wrong.

The central government in Afghanistan, if it even deserves to be called a government does not have popular support and is about as corrupt as a government can get. This is the same as the US support for the government of South Vietnam and the same outcome can be expected.

The Taliban and al Qadea need the support of the people to exist and if they are the only alternative to the current corrupt central government then they win, and like in Vietnam everything the U.S. military is for not’.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I see a few million new job holders! Ship good Civvies over there and allow them to bring their own protection.

Or ship bad prisoners (Convicts) and tell them that they are free after 4 years work in country. LOL.

I did a tour in Anbar with civil affairs, working closely with the state dept folks in the PRT/ePRTs. Some decent and knowledgeable people there, but the “less qualified” military personnel ran circles around them. The Marines, Soldiers, and Sailors would go out and talk to the people and put eyes on the situation. The civilians didn’t like to leave the wire, wouldn’t talk to the common folk, and believed every bit of BS the Iraqi leaders told them. There was little to no accountability or performance standard. They wouldn’t share information even with each other because they didn’t want someone to steal the credit for their idea. Some were even trying to direct no bid contracts to their friends. All that for $200-350K for a 1 year tour that included a two week leave every three months. Just when they figure out what they are doing they are gone.

The hiring process for the State Dept contractors was BS too-we had an outstanding Reserve GySgt on his 3rd tour with civil affairs, who had a bachelor degree and wide ranging experience, who couldn’t even get an interview for a State job. Yet in country he was practically running an ePRT and getting amazing results.

Veterans Preference.huh? Well from where I sit I applied for 66 jobs with the US Army and NOT one of them were “Veterans Preference for hiring”, (no 5 or 10 points, nothing, why?). And when I talked to the state Veterans rep about that he said “They will hire whoever they want”. I have seen this happen too many times. The job opens up on Friday at 4:45 pm, who they want applies for it and the job closes at 5:00 PM, same day. In the meantime I (with qualifications down to the ground and experience up to the sky with security clearances for the past 20 years is made to wait 6 months for the paperwork to clear(?) and their ‘cousin’ starts work and his clearance is worked on while he is working.. He knows NOTHING about Electronics, NOTHING about weapons AND he spent ZIP time overseas, but he rides a motorcycle with the GANG there so he’s good, (probably good at chasing underage girls, but I guess that’s a hidden requirement there). I look at in the same words that I wrote to the TACOM Army secretary when she ‘waffled’ on my complaint to her boss, “The Army helping Veterans, another Bright Shining Lie!” And now you want us Disabled Veterans to give you a job…

Read my reply to Tamber…

LTC read my reply to Tamber. You can also explain to me why civilians having NO experience with Disabled Veterans benefits, chose to start a “He doesn’t look disabled to me” and proceeded to try to take away my Handicapped parking priveleges on a US ARMY base. I countered with the ADAS directive but it should never have happened if the would bother to read anything past their “how to treat people like dirt manual”. And then we wonder why they need a recession to get people to join. No wonder we are losing the war, We are too stupid to win it!

Alton, you have valid points. It’s not only the government jobs that hire “the friends”, the civilian jobs are handled the same way…Its WHO you know, NOT what you know, and it’s been that way for years. I have applied for numerous government jobs (I have many talents)…for example, since June ’09, I have applied to no less than 500 jobs!! (not all overseas, but throw enough mud at the wall, and SOMETHING should happen). I have had in the past four weeks alone, six interviews (flying to various states to interview with agencies, hotel, food, car rental) at MY expense, all in the hopes of landing a job…if not overseas (preferred), but will accept anything…The old saying…JUST GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR AND MOVE AROUND FROM THERE. Start networking immediately and get where you really want to work. I have FINALLY landed a government job after apply for many positions, for over TWO YEARS… Anyone that is looking for a government job, I ALWAYS pass on what tricks I have picked up, what contacts I have obtained, any email addresses of people who can help/advise/may know someone..and so on..NETWORKING is the key. I am moving this Thursday back east. I am leaving my home and all things behind. My fiance’, an 18 year career Army Officer did not come home from Iraq, so I was left with no option other than to start my life over alone, and it seemed prudent to move somewhere new. So, I tried to do as he would tell me to “stand tall like your soldier” and do what I must. He wrote to me late last summer and said “If I were dying, my last words would be have faith and pursue the unknown end. A firm faith in the universal providence of God is the solution of all earthly troubles and courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not the absence of fear.
I love you and know that I am coming for you my love.” Well, he’s not going to come for me, but I am putting his wise words in action. In my current part time job, I am near a huge Navy base, which everyone comes to the store I work at, and ANYONE in the military, I go above and beyond to help them and their families. I give away a lot of things free to them, and I pass on to the families what I have learned. I have “adopted” a platoon in Afghanistan (90 guys) and a platoon in Iraq (190 guys/10 women). Every 4–6 weeks, I ship around 500 lbs of whatever they need. This costs me A LOT of money, but I do it because they not only deserve it, but its the right thing to do. I have inspired many people/organizations to adopt our troops, and I will never stop steamrolling people to support past/present veterans. It’s our duty.
Alton, I will repeat the wise words of my finance’.….Have faith and pursue the unknown end.

Mr Skinner, I just want to say that you have a negative attitude about your fello americans. I am a retired sergeants major in the logistics field and can help all that i can and I DONT NEED protection fro the government I can survive because for several reasons # 1 I AM A COUNTRY BOY # 2 I HAVE WILL POWER AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST I HAVE COMMON SENSE

yea man I have valuable experience as a retired Sergeants Major but, the Obama adminastration and the so called free government dont want us because we will CONTRIBUTE experience and NO red TAPE and plenty of common sense

Colonel, You hit the mark let the civilians as you and I display our experience on the battle field and off the field leave the fighting to our troops I am a retired Sergeants Major

Obama will not listening while everyone is getting good pay

The Army is the only organization suitable for occupation duty. They have done it in the past in places such as the Philippines and the American West. The Army WWII history series has two good volumes on how these tasks were accomplished by the Army in Germany and Japan. It sounds to me like the Army is trying to fob off their responsibilities to someone else.

I went to Afghanistan as a civilian engineer after serving a year in Iraq as a member of the military. I found the civilian hiring procedures full of favoritism and the civilian leadership self serving. The boundaries between a civilian and soldier are blurred to the point where I was expected to pull perimeter security and capture IED triggermen. I might as well have been a soldier. The idea that civilians should be given control of this war is absurd.

Our notion of building infrastructure in order to win over a populace only works in US domestic politics. LBJ tried that same approach with North Vietnam and it went nowhere. Somewhere in this process the enemy has to be beaten down enough to where the enemy cries uncle and the Army is the only organization capable of doing that.

tmb LOOK AT your comment state department is VOLUNTEERS BULL why are they getting paid and great incentatives and a RED passport

Yeah, Now IF they would just read Title 5 USC para.s 3301 to 3318 (written in 1944), IF the Dept of Labor would truly do what they set out to do (USVETS program), IF the EEOC would not be “just another haven for worthless people who can’t find work in other places, then get steamrolled by the Base Commander, IF the Disabled Veterans Affirmative Action Program AKA: DVAAP was not just another program that doesn’t do anything (like Hire the VET), IF the Americans with Disability Act ‘actually’ stopped someone from doing something wrong but instead waited until after, …etc, etc, etc.
Hey, learning experience. I’ve still got my letter telling me I should ‘ask the union’ to get my government granted Handicapped Parking Permit (that I already had) and which I use whenever I want to show that Uncle Sam doesn’t really care, he just waffles. Oh yeah, I worked for two different Government Contractors and four different arms of the military, was overseas eleven years, foreign languages, KSAs…etc. and I was constructively discharged by one of them ( you don’t know pain until you have something like this done to you) for HAVING a disability. You see the Army doesn’t want to hire disabled People/ Veterans no matter how smart they are. Now were was I now? Oh yeah, doing the right thing. Then I go to a school to get a college education and the campus policeman tells some IT guys they could park in the handicapped place because taking all those computer discs was soooo strenuous, not thinking that 50 yards for a normal person is 500 yards for the Handicapped. HIS college education is wasted. And America wonders why the Vet.s are mad…

I agree, but they may already have started the nation (Afghanistan) rebuilding.

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