Sen. Kerry Rejects McChrystal Strategy

Sen. Kerry Rejects McChrystal Strategy

Sen. John Kerry told a Washington audience today that Afghan commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s call for an expanded counterinsurgency campaign reaches “too far, too fast.” Instead, Kerry called for a more “narrowly focused” counterinsurgency strategy that would dial down U.S. war aims, forge a closer alliance with Afghan ethnic groups that reject the mostly Pashtun based insurgency, reduce the U.S. military effort to just the restive southern and eastern parts of the country and use the power of the U.S. dollar to peel away Taliban fighters motivated more by money than an extremist ideology.

Speaking to a packed house at the Council on Foreign Relations Monday, Kerry lashed out at the Bush administration for its neglect and “gross mishandling” of the war in Afghanistan for nearly eight years and allowing the Taliban to regain a foothold in the country. Fresh from saving the Afghan political process through many hours spent cajoling and convincing Afghan president Hamid Karzai to agree to a runoff election, Kerry said a more narrowly defined war there is winnable, but requires a major shift in strategy.

Policymakers and the news media have become overly focused on whether the Obama administration will grant McChrystal his request for more troops, a debate that misses the larger point, Kerry said. Since progress in Afghanistan will only come once people at the village level see real improvements in their everyday lives, what is needed are many more civilian experts in rural development, not tens of thousands more infantry.

Kerry said the “cornerstone” of U.S. strategy should be building an Afghan military and “governance” capacity that is just good enough so that responsibility for the country’s security can be transferred to the Afghan government and American troops can be withdrawn. Success in Afghanistan means transferring that responsibility as soon as possible while also leaving behind a country that cannot again become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. Defeating the Taliban is not a requirement, he said, nor is establishing a “flawless democracy.” Many Taliban fighters can be bought off and he put the number of irreconcilables at no more than 3,000 to 4,000.

While he would back sending “some” additional troops to reverse the Taliban gains and regain the initiative, he said troop levels must be tied to real measures of progress, such as combating the Kabul government’s legendary corruption and demonstrating to the Afghan people that their government has their interests in mind. American commanders must also determine if there are enough Afghan troops to partner with U.S. units. While some assessments say there are 92,000 soldiers in the Afghan army, Kerry said U.S. commanders in Afghanistan told him the real number of effectives is closer to 50,000.

There are not enough U.S., NATO and Afghan troops to pursue a population centric counterinsurgency across the entire country, he said, an effort that would require some 600,000 troops, if one strictly adheres to counterinsurgency math. Rolling back the Taliban doesn’t require anywhere near that number of counterinsurgents, he said, as much of the country, particularly in the north and west, are already hostile to the insurgents. Kerry said the military should work more closely with the tribes and build up a tribal intelligence network, particularly among the Pashtuns; he did not say how the military, which has been trying to do just that since 2001, should pull it off.

Kerry said NATO countries must beef up their troop presence and better unify their command structure.

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Kerry called for a more “narrowly focused” counterinsurgency strategy that would dial down U.S. war aims, forge a closer alliance with Afghan ethnic groups that reject the mostly Pashtun based insurgency, reduce the U.S. military effort to just the restive southern and eastern parts of the country and use the power of the U.S. dollar to peel away Taliban fighters motivated more by money than an extremist ideology.
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So change the name but continue with the same counterinsurgency strategy w/o anywhere near the adequate number of troops to get it done.

Kerry said. Since progress in Afghanistan will only come once people at the village level see real improvements in their everyday lives, what is needed are many more civilian experts in rural development, not tens of thousands more infantry.
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This alone tells me that Kerry like Levin is an idiot. How are you going to move and protect those civilians beyond Kabul w/o a larger troop foot print?

Success in Afghanistan means transferring that responsibility as soon as possible while also leaving behind a country that cannot again become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. Defeating the Taliban is not a requirement, he said, nor is establishing a “flawless democracy.” Many Taliban fighters can be bought off and he put the number of irreconcilable at no more than 3,000 to 4,000.
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Apparently, Kerry and his ilk know something that U.S intelligence doesn’t when he states how many Taliban can be bought. If they can be bought how come they still have not turned over Bin Laden and Alqueda senior leadership?

Rolling back the Taliban doesn’t require anywhere near that number of counterinsurgents, he said, as much of the country, particularly in the north and west, are already hostile to the insurgents. Kerry said the military should work more closely with the tribes and build up a tribal intelligence network, particularly among the Pashtuns; he did not say how the military, which has been trying to do just that since 2001, should pull it off.
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He’s a career politician that can’t even win an election, but he knows how many troops we need to get the job done after touching foot briefly there.

And why should we listen to this guy? He has done nothing but denigrate our Soldiers and Marines throughout his career in the Senate. The only time he supported our troops was just before he didn’t support the troops. Diplomats and Senators always believe we can talk our way to peace, but most of us understand peace thru strength works. Besides, if you don’t have some modicum of safety in the the contested regions, the US will not send in any civilian experts to fix infrastructure or political issues.

I’m gonna guess that Kerry assumes he knows more about grand strategy than McChrystal. I mean Kerry does have allllllll that war experience doesn’t he.… . ?

Hmmm, I’d have to say Sen. Kerry is right and wrong. He’s right that we need to make this an Afghan Fight, and that our mission should be bolstering their effective power and helping ensure that government is viewed as legitimate. The real question no one has the courage to ask out loud is, “Can it be done?”

I’d say he’s wrong on the War’s “objectives.” Similar to most American Wars in the Last half of the 20th Century and those in which we find ourselves engaged, the reasons for GOING to war appear to have little if anything to do with why we find ourselves CONTINUING the conflict. We invaded Afghanistan to punish group that aided in the launch of an Attack on our country, we accomplished that in quite a brilliant manner; utilizing air power and letting the Afghanis to be the face of the ground combat.

Now instead of reasoned debate about tradeoffs and realistic scenarios going forward we hear arguments for continuing the conflict which boil down to logical fallacies improvable arguments.…

He wants to increase the number of civilian infrastructure experts, but not the thousands of troops needed to protect them. And he makes the same mistake that Levin did last month — we need to build the Afghan Army, but he doesn’t want to increase the number of US trainers to do it. And he thinks it can be done overnight. Even if we dedicated every Joe in Afghanistan to training the ANA, it would still take years to make them independent. It takes the US at least a year to train a healthy, loyal, well-paid, well-fed, motivated, and english-speaking citizen to be an effective soldier. Now Senators Levin, Kerry, and who knows else expect me to be able to teach an underpaid Pashtun speaker who probably doesn’t like me or his national government to do the same in a few months? And let’s not get started on how long it takes to train officers and NCOs.

“Use the power of the US dollar to peel away…” Um, does he know how much money it takes to turn a hardcore Taliban fighter? A commander? Are you going to pay him indefinitely? Can you keep from being outbid by the poppy trade?

Doesntliketoshare obviously wouldn’t know grand strategy, or indeed a grand strategist, if it kissed him on the lips. It is not the job of General McChrystal to formulate U.S. grand strategy. However, it is the job of the President, in conjunction with the House and Senate (to include Senator Kerry), to formulate a U.S. grand strategy that in turn will frame the strategy of General McChrystal in Afghanistan. Just so we are clear, by the way, serving in the military does not automatically make you even a competent strategist, much less a great strategist. Further, in a democracy, it is the civilian political leadership that makes strategy, and it is the military and other instruments of state power that carry that strategy out.

Kerry why is he even in this act? Isn’t it SECSTATE Clinton’s role to negotiate with foreign leaders? Where was Hillary? Why is this administration so hung up on nation building (like many before it) which we all know does NOT usually lead to success.

Kerry has NO credibility when it comes to fighting any war much less a COIN operation.

Well, maybe you don’t know about grand strategy or strategists if it kissed YOU on the lips. Being a Senator doesn’t qualify Mr. Kerry on being a master of grand strategy or capable of formulating any policies or strategies of any kind. I would think however, that Gen. McChrystal knows more about the country and the forces he needs to perservere there, than an out of touch politician with a poor record on military affairs and US foriegn policy. You are right though on the serving in the military; Mr. Kerry was in the military and he isn’t competent in much more than being an elitist above all us lowly peasants.

“Kerry why is he even in this act? ” Same reason McCain, Hatch, Feingold and every other senator who has an opinion that gets on the news! While there’s plenty of good reason to doubt Kerry’s military strategy abilities, his opinion is no less qualified than those other senators who express their opinions on the Sunday Morning Circus.

Well, I see Kerry is smoking crack again. The same BS coming from his mouth as the famed Bushypoo. And the same cries from some idiot on here about pulling troops out of Afghanistan. Personally, I would love to put a sock in both of their mouths to shut the stupidity up.
You pull troops from Afghanistan, and you wind up with Somalia. The same has been happening in Iraq with our with drawl there.
You cannot fight a war with politicians running the show. They need to shut up, let the military have what the military needs to get the job done,and let the military fight the war. Instead we have a flip-flop president who cannot make up his own mind about what to do, and some crack smoking senator called Kerry running their mouths like a bunch of old women at a bazaar.

Other FSB — you criticize DLTS above that he doesn’t know grand strategy. Yet you say “the President in conjunction with the House and Senate” WRONG!! the Executive alone formulates military strategy along the unified chain of command. Pretty clear in the Constitution (pesky little document) Do you really think 535 politicians representing from New Tork City to rural Utah could even begin to have some ability to formulate foreign policy. I remember so fondly the Senate majority leader Harry Reid (the war is lost) support the Iraq surge (Snicker snicker)

In fact DLTS is accurate because the process works back and forth from regional military commander up through the to the President and back down approval.

John Kerry’s expertise, by his own admission, consists of burning peasant hooches and committing other war crimes (referring to his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee before he was a member of the Senate and while he was a lobbyist for the North Vietnamese). If you ask several of his commanders while he served on the swiftboats, you can add some really shaky Purple Hearts awarded not by his CO, for wounds that were not suffered in battle.

If it comes to choosing whether to believe Kerry or the man on the ground there as to what sort of support is required, I believe General McChrystal every time. It takes a lot of effort to find an occasion when John Kerry’s pronouncements on military matters favored the troops or the national security. He’s a self-infatuated boob.

“Senator” Kerry HAS NO CREDIBILITY amongst those who wear the uniform ESPECIALLY during a time of war. Kerry is a damn TRAITOR and a worthless dirtbag who crapped on his own country during the Vietnam War. Three Purple hearts my ass !! To HELL with “Senator” Kerry. That guy is a bum.

Just do what the General wanted.

There is a difference between politics and war.

Hhmmm… now you’re conflating military and grand strategy! Wonderful! Grand strategy has always been a product of executive and congressional collaboration and this is still the case today. It seems that personal animus toward Kerry is clouding judgement. As for military strategy, yes that is formulated by the executive, but it is always subject to the strictures of grand strategy. DLTS, BobbyMike, and fanmech may find all of this quite galling, but there it is. Our political civilian leadership formulates strategy, qualified or not, the military, State, and other instruments of national power carry it out. Oh, and I stand by my assertion that stars on your shoulders does not automatically mean that you are a good strategist.

No Roland, there is no difference whatsoever between politics and war. Remember Clausewitz — war is political discourse carried out by other means.

Just do what the general wanted? Should they too have just done what McCarthur wanted?

The problem is on the Hill and Whitehouse! Clean house, inact term limitations
and clean up the cess pool on the hill! It is time to clean out both Parties because
they both are corrupt! Let our Military do the job they are being paid to do or this,
I promise you, will come back to haunt us big time. How soon we forget 9–11.

The big problem the USA is facing is that Wars are being fought by politicians. That is why we have lost all after WWII.

LET THE GENERALS do the job that we are paying them for: Prepare the men and lead them.…Politicians stay home and increase taxes, steal, bother people and get caught sleeping with some other chick! I mean thats what you are good at! A vietnam vet!

I agree with most of everyone here. I am a fellow vietnam vet and for some reason live in Mass.. This kerry is a clown and has shown his true colors. Wears 3 purple hearts that his former commander never signed off on. People he was in Vietnam with say he was a coward when he would run from a fight on the Delta. We all know this because it has been proven. How about him getting a pardon from his everlasting nutcase buddy from Georgia. Says alot for the fraud and now he wants to interject bull on his ” vast combat experience”.
Kerry, please go sit on one of those old outhouses in Nam. There may still be some gifts there for you.

John kerry is a nothing that lied about what he did in viet nam.For god sakes people vote this idiot out of office.

Kerry is an IDIOT.

Jonh Kerry giving advise! give me a break. This man is a JOKE. We need to one or the other serge up or get out. I say let us WIN this war NOW and let us come home…

That would be great @ Wayne if only it were as easy as saying. What is a WIN? McChrystal says there’s no guarantee of victory no matter how many troops are sent. Can’t kill all the Tali’s and can’t kill all AQ. Can’t stay there trying to do that without turning more folks against us. Maybe we will come to the conclusion that A’stan will never be a conventional state and the part of the world that’s trying to make it so is wasting time, effort and resources. But more importantly, lives.

Unfortunately I’m sure that the Chosen One will listen to Senator Kerry, who is a member of the left wing of the dem party, and not General McCrystal who was hand picked to replace the last General in Afganastan who was fired. I’m sure that someone who got out of the Navy as a Lt and ranks right up there with Hanoi Jane Fonda is someone our Chosen One should listen to for military advice. Hope and Change: I hope that the change comes in 2010 and 2012 with Congress and the White House being changed out.

He wanted to be Secstate, and didn’t get the job. So now he gets to audition for it in case Clinton moves on?

IS this serious … someone actualy thinks John Kerry (The War Hero?) knows anything that is valid about fighting a war? I’ll trust this BOZO’s judgement when we balance the budget and all national debt is paid-off. In other-words about the same time as the Cubs win the World Series.
To Be clear Kerry is a FOOL with a public platform to ponitificate from.

It seems everyone here has been watching too much Fox News, evidenced by insane comments and political smears against one of the only combat vets in the Senate. Now they will attack me with talking points they heard from the Israeli owned Fox News.

Oh jeez… who’s spewing talking points here? You? The simple fact, Vietnam combat or no, is that Kerry is a political hack who will say and do anything. He has zero credibility on the issue. __

Tim, we won’t attack you… just question your judgement!
As for Kerry being a combat vet… OK he heard shots fired in anger before he got out of the gig as quick as he could manufacture a reason. The only thing Kerry the Fool has accomplished is being a Useful Idiot for our Enemies. (now that is my opinion and you are equally entitled to ignore it).

Kerry.……a bafoon of a man. I cannot tolerate people like this condesending sh=t b“rd who is also a member with the CFR. This is the kind of person you find operating behing the scenes in the dark recesses of the shadows of organizations of very bad people that have little or no alligiance to this country and are responsible for pulling strings in foreign affairs. An elitest, a phoney, a sqeal with no honor or true patriotism for this country. It is his kind of ilk as well as alot of the democrates and republicans that need to be removed in the next election. This is the only way to rid this country of seld-aggrandizing politicians who are only self serving with there elitest attitudes and in doing so are the profiteers of war and other world conflicts. Send him home packing boys to his wealthy wife and let him hang upon the skirt tails never to be allowed into our goverment system ever again. Wake up!!!

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LET’S SEE, WE HAVE A MAN WHO ACTUALY MADE HIS WAY TO THE TOP AND BECAME A GENERAL,
THEN WE HAVE KERRY, WHO LEFT VIETNAM AS QUICK AS HE COULD. SERVED A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME, WHO RISKED THE LIVES OF HIS MEN FOR A DISPOSABLE LAUNCHER THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN FIRED, AND THINKS HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN A WAR BETTER THAN THE PROFESSIONAL.…..

John Kerry…what a clown!

gen. mcChristal tried to cover up the friendly fire that killed the ranger spillman in afgn while kerry was a vietnam heroe

what sen kerry is saying makes a more sense than gen. mcChrystal “s insurgency strategy.

LOL, noslacker. His name is McChrystal and the Ranger’s name was Tillman, not spillman.

Noslacker, Kerry is no “hero”, he’s a self promotong liar, that put himself in for purle hearts for injuries no more serious than paper cuts.

What Kerry proposes is nothing more than a strategy for defeat.

If Kerry and the likes of him would keep their traps shut maybe the military could get something done. If congress runs this war then we are a shinking ship right off. I don’t class Kerry as a combat vet as he took off from there as quick as his little tail could move. When this country and that egg brain running the afgan. country will let our military and the military of the other countrys handle this war we may see some gains.

As we sit on our asses and on these firebases because of these lamduck rules of engagement, its the troops who end dieing for a nobel cause, not those Washington pentagon officers who sit on there ass and read reports and look at maps,and play politics. Kerry has no knowlege except fo reports given to him which have been cleaned up for political purposes and points. Let the Troops fight and rid the region of the squrge. General Mc Christal has a plan, listen to the commander on the ground. And by the way Sen. Kerry, get off you ass and get out and get our supposedly allies besides the British and Australians to send additional combat troops, we bailed them out twice in two world wars, its there turn to repay us. Blaiming the Bush administration on everything is just an excuse to hid the fact the Democrats are afraid to make a decision. We need to go full measure, a nation devided is not a nation. Read Abe Lincoln.

BS like this is why I retired. WE were way ahead of the game on this issue till the liberals wanting to get some camera and print time in connection with the war got involved and snafued everything from then on. Politicians and the media need to stay of of our buisness and not be allowed in until we file our final after action report and brief them on our success when were back in the states. This win their hearts and mind crapp needs to be put to rest once and for all, it has never worked to start with, not even with japan — they just realized an opportunity and took advantage of it. A lot of the republicans are just as bad but these dems have got to go, and we need to fight the war from our end in support of our troops and vote these guys out of office, even if your not a fan of you Republican incumbent you have to addmit that they have always been more hard lined in battle and taken better care of our troops.

This Narcissistic Pinko Poodle, that played a such a preeminent role in America’s defeat in Viet Nam couldn’t lace McChrystal’s boots.
Listen to him and we will lose another war.

Reading these comments about Kerry I wondered where you all were when the former Vice President (Cheny) was asked what he thought about the 4,000 service member being killed in Iraq. His response,“they are volunteers”.
I have nothing against Kerry’s service in Vietnam, at least he served. Cheny got 4 deferments. I haven’t heard one of you complain about that even though he, who never served, didn’t have a problem sending our young warriors out to fight his war. My problem with Kerry was him throwing his medals away.
I have a son that spend 2 years over there and I’m one of the lucky ones, he came home. I would of been less nervous if the Bush administation would of took the time our current President is taking before sending troops into war.
While you are complaining about a war lost you should be thinking about every service member killed that won’t have the opportunity to complain like you are over a man that served but say nothing about a man that had no thoughts about sending our service members (brothers and sisters) into war even though he did not serve. George Bush was and is a good man his mistake was keeping people around who didn’t think twice about sending service members in harms way but wouldn’t go himself.
And you are complaining about one of our brothers who did go. Doesn’t matter what you say he did while there but HE DID GO. Maybe his heart was hurting and he had tears coming from his eyes like I did when the news medium showed the young marine dying after being hit. That Marine doesn’t have a life now because he went. Kerry went but things turned out differently. But he went. So go and rave about this war that Cheny pushed but did not feel the need to go when he was called.
How can you rave against one of us and let one who did not serve have a pass?

I believe General MacArthur made the statement 55 years ago that ( their is no substitution for Victory ) and the politician’s still didn’t learn.

Many of us don’t like Cheny, but he’s not part of this right now. Bringing up Cheny at this point is the same as brining up Obama’s comment that the U.S. shouldnt have to pay benefits to vets and retirees because it was a voluntered decision and we knew the risk we were taking. At least Cheny didn’t try to take away our benefits. History show’s that politicians and private media severly hurt any war effort. If you make the decision to send in our troops then stand back and let us do our job, You dont tell a dog what to do or how to do it when you set them loose one someone threatening you so why handicap our troops this way. Give full covert latitude and this will be over quick and our guys can come home.

If Truman had listened to MacArthur, then we would have defeated the Chinese Communists in the 1950s before they obtained nuclear weapons, the Russians would have been left holding the bag politically — perhaps expediting the collapse of Communism, the Hungarian’s revolt might have succeeded, the Czechs might not have had to put up with Russian tanks in the streets of Prague, and we would never have had to go to Vietnam — because the main limiting factor there was our unwillingness to invade the North and risk a confrontation with the Chinese ala Korea. India would not have felt the need to obtain a nuclear weapon to protect itself from the Chinese, and by extension, Pakistan would not have felt the need to obtain a nuclear weapon to protect itself from India. Pakistan would not have felt the need to export its technology to North Korea — since there would have been no North Korea. North Korea would be shipping its technology to Libya and Iran.…well, you get the point.

You make a good point, which is that Afghanistan is not a nation-state in the traditional sense, but rather a patchwork of clans with shifting allegiances. The things that hold Afghanis together are a generalized sense of national identity (despite their varied ethnicities and tradition of warring with each other) associated with the old monarchy (which has yet to translate into support for the existing central government, perhaps because of the many bad experiences with oppressive, corrupt and vain leaders since the king was ousted), a general distrust of outsiders, and the desire to be left alone — whether by the Taliban or us. Trying to make Afghanistan into something it is not will take decades — if it is possible at all. On the other hand, unless we root out the Taliban and those who would support al-Qa’ida, which requires the general support of the population so al-Qa’ida cannot re-establish itself by force or coercion, we’ll have achieved nothing. McChrystal’s strategy is to secure the major population centers first, marginalizing the Taliban to remote areas where they cannot marshal the resources and popular support necessary to carry out an effective insurgency — and then to go out and spread the “inkblot” to eventually squeeze out the Taliban. It’s an incremental strategy, but probably the only one likely to work in a place like Afghanistan. We’ve already dealt with one of the great weaknesses of the Vietnam war by operating openly in Pakistan and obtaining the cooperation of the Pakistanis (even if some ISI guys are still playing both sides of the street) in trying to root out a political/religious movement that is threatening the very existence of Pakistan. If the Pakistanis succeed in neutralizing their Taliban, and kicking the Afghan Taliban and al-Qa’ida out of the tribal areas, then we can grind them down over time. Recall that it took the Russians 3–4 years after the end of WWII to defeat the Ukrainian National Army, and the Russians had complete control of the borders and used extremely repressive measures. Yeah, I know that the Russians got beat in Afghanistan, but that might not have happened if we and the Pakistanis hadn’t been openly helping the mujahideen.

Even the Taliban don’t want nearly worthless US Dollars. Each $4500 cash for clunkers car cost U.S. $24000, which is another way of saying that $24000 is actually only worth $4500.

He rears his ugly treasonous head again. Why can’t this loser just go home and stay there. You know I wonder how many out wish they might have voted for clinton instead.

I remember when John Kerry helped to engineer America’s defeat and disgrace in Vietnam — he tried in Iraq and didn’t manage it — now he is trying with Afghanistan — good gawd what a fraud.

Boomer, Cheny is a part of this since he is a significant reason attention shifted from Afgan to Iraq. You can’t start something then say I didn’t have anything to do with it.
One other thing before I drop out of this conversation, didn’t the President just sign the Defense Authorization Bill that added to benefits not take away?
Okay I’m done.

When will people like kerry learn to just shut their mouth and let the Professional Military Generals run the military? I am personnally fed up with these elected official running off at the mouth without having been in REAL HONEST TO GOODNESS COMBAT trying to tell the Generals on the ground what they need or don’t need. kerry, unless you have walked a mile in their boots, just shut TFU.

Proud Vet, I’m not here to argue with you. I have nothing but admiration for my fellow servicemen, but it does not mean a thing to me that someone put on a uniform and showed up only to drop his end of the load on his brothers and hauling but out of country. Anyone that can turn their back on their unit will certainly turn thier back on America as far as I’m concerned. He did not fufill his duties and I personaly don’t consider him a Vet. The most stout conciencious objector when cornered will fight for his family, which is what we are in the military working that close together day in and out, I should not have to point this out to you. He is a flat out coward and that is all, period. And yes Obama did sign the annual budget with a slight increase, same as we get every year. But his current semi support of the military is only because of the intense fire he came under after he was first elected and made his stupid comment about our all volunteer force, he had republicans — democrats — VFW — VA– American Legion — NRA and fox news pounding him over it along with a large number of our guys refusing to redeploy under his administration because of his comments (yes there were hundreds more than the ones that made the news). You keep bringing up Cheny not being a Vet, well niether is OBAMA, this is on his shoulders now, He is the one dragging his feet and not listening to the right people, his whole staff is a bunch of liberal anti war mungers and protesters, We were doing fine with Bush and Cheny, ask anyone that has been there how much worse it is now than then. The big killer now is that with all the eyes and media on it now, we can not conduct the type of operations we were doing when the world was watching Iraq more and ignoring Afhanistan. If the new administration had listened to the military fron the start we would not be where we are right now. We are never going to win over this place or all its people, they fight each other when they are not fighting a common foe which is us right now. We need to finnish what we started by eliminating the threat whoever and wherever they are, to hell with collateral damage I dont beleive in it, if they are not fighting along our side then they are the enemy as far as I’m concerned. They either need to pick a side and pick up a weapon or hide till it’s all over. And yes I would feel the same way if the battle was over here, But luckily we Americans tend to ban together against our agressors so it would not be the issue here, Every country in the world realizes this and why most avoid confrontation with us and definately wont attack us on our own soil openly. Our biggest threat here is these radicals that we face now, the longer we wait the bigger that threat becomes.

Dewey Du Bose, you do realize that Civilians are suppose to run our military as stated in our Constitution and that Kerry did serve in Vietnam, in combat, right?

Boomer, I’m not arguing with you instead I’m listening to your rhetoric and hoping that not a majority of vets feel the same way you do.
As for the apperance of hate directed toward Kerry I heard the same rhetoric that was proven to be unfounded. As I stated earlier my problem with Kerry was he threw his medals over the White House fence. I have no problem with his service. Yes both Obama and Bush did not serve. Bush in the Air Guard I believe but never left the states. Bush did not request a deferment though like his VP. Since there is no longer a draft I would imagine we will see more Presidents like Obama that hasn’t served. But just comparing Kerry against Cheny — Cheny requested four and Kerry accepted the call.
Lastly what made/makes our Nation great is the fact that liberals, conservatives and hawks can have their own views without fear of becoming collateral damage that you speak of above, hopefully.
If you would please just answer this one question — would your view of colateral damage change if it were your daughter, your son, your grandchild, your wife or your mother??
The ones I served with for over 20 years did care and by the way would have cut off their arm before they tortured. That is what made them (USA) so great — they cared. Yes, avoiding this collateral damage is not easy but it is the right thing to do.

Ok I’ll try and answer in a way that doesn’t make me come off as a baby killer. I am not promoting kill them all and let God sort them out. What I am condeming is the way our hands were tied behind our backs,You know you have a large number of bad guys held up in a mosque, but you can’t engage them even though they are firing rockets and rounds down on you in the markt place, civilians take hits and we get the blame for it because we didnt break cover and leave. That is B.S., or how about your in a village giving aid, come under sniper fire or an attack and some of the folks you just helped start firing at you from behind also, How about your pinned down with wounded and your call for air support is denied because thier may be collateral damage to civilians. And this is not just Afghanistan, it has happened a number of times in the past in other parts of the world. Owuld it bother me if it were my neighbors or kids, of course it would but at the same time I would pick my side and seek to get them to safety to prevent it, if they were injured or killed I would fight with that much more determination also. I dont know when you retired, I served from 1980 til 2004, I have been involved in most every conflict that has evolved during this time. A lot of them were covert thus we were on our own to get the job done and we always did. The military works best when you give them a final objective and stand aside. I realize as you pointed out it will be quite a while before we see another war vet run for office, and truthfully there are a lot of high ranking officers that if they were to run in the next election I know I would not vote for because they are crappy military leaders. Be it wrong at least Cheny (who I dont like at all) picked a side while Kerry tried to play it down the middle and then picked up his skirt and ran to the other side when he couldnt take it any longer.

MAY BE GEN.McCHRYSTAL SHOULD GO TO THE SENATE,AND THIS “IDIOT” SEN.KERRY CAN TAKE HIS PLACE AND BE OUT FRONT OF OUR “BRAVE MILITARY”.…..

My brother spent 4 yrs in ganistan in the 60’s withAID. Their work on irrigation, ag ed, etc. resulted in quadrupling poppy production, since it is a high cash flow easy to transport low cube crop. Since the govmt there won’t build or maintain economic infrastructure, ganistan CANNOT CHANGE.
When 80% of the people can’t read, (99% of women), have no electric power, etc. it is almost impossible for conditions to change.
However, it must be said that money spent improving the infrastructure, educating the people, etc. is CHEAPER THAN MODERN WARFARE!!! But it must be done slowly & cautiously with a minimum of graft & corruption!

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