Comments on: Airbags ‘Special Magic’ To Defeat RPGs

By: Rocketman

Rocketman — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:44:17 +0000

From SCI: Apparently, folks feel "iffy". That is a commonality we face on a fairly repetitive basis. We use a simple qoute of Stephen Hawkings & Carl Sagan; "Extraoridinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof." SCI commends Textron . The biggest difference between the SCI system and Textron's is their use of Radar. SCI's system utilizes "Light Spectrum Data" to determine threats and prevent false positive. SCI cataloged Light Signature Data over a (9) nine years period. Radar has to be "propogated out from target vehicle, encounter threats, return signal to targetand finally be analyzed in some manner."SCI's LSD, does and will outperform in faster times and deny false positives in much clearer, concise & rapid manner. SCI has been in business since 2005 and patent pend/or/pat. multiple life saving systems. SCI is to disclose new systems in the near future. SCI is interested in partnering with other entities to further enhance life saving systems, and enhance survivability in the real world. Best, SCI

By: Sal

Sal — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:39:01 +0000

It detects what kinda threat it is and deploys…part of that “Special Magic”

By: tesla

tesla — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:48 +0000

My understanding of this technology is that there are multiple independent airbags. The radar only activates the airbags that are judged to have high impact probabilities, so it’s not as though you only get a single chance to nullify RPGs for the whole vehicle.

By: roland

roland — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:05:31 +0000

In addition to this technology (airbag) maybe its a good idea to borrow one (RPG) from Afghan or Iraqi army and study the RPG test it with the airbag and other ways to make our soldiers and Humvees 100% safe

By: Curt

Curt — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:57:12 +0000

David,
Firing a fusilade of RPGs may not be as easy as you think. At the end of WWII, the Germans had enough Panzerfaust to kill every allied tank and armored vehicle something like 10 times over. Actually killing the vehicles proved somewhat more difficult. The same was true in 1973, the gulf, and other conflicts. The more RPG gunners you need to coordinate their fire, the less likely they are to fire together or survive long enough to fire at all. No defense is perfect of course, and you can destroy every vehicle. But if you have a relatively inexpensive way to protect from one or two RPGs, you have a much better chance to survive and eliminate the threat through maneuver and fire. Think about it, wouldn’t 10 or so RPG gunners all together make a good hellfire target?

By: David

David — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:03:57 +0000

so you just fire a fusilade of RPG’s, the bag stops the first one of two, the rest punch through. Good idea as long as only one is fired. RPG’s are cheap and the shooters love to get killed.

By: Rocketman

Rocketman — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:06:46 +0000

Hello Folks, thought I would chime in and ask if anybody saw my patented airbag system over on defensetech.org ? I've been working on a methodology to do alot more than stopping rpgs, as in what about spall, vampir 29's two stage, and the like. Airbags in and of themselves, if produced correctly can mitigate what causes 48% of the injuries due to over/under pressures. Some troopers have "had their bell rung" and get back in the mix a few days later not realizing there has been permanent damage done. I can't give all the details on how it all works, but if you'd like to see the animation, come on over and check out www.survivalconsultants.com then on the left side menu click "articles" and look for "airbag armor." I was doing this long before the folks claiming this and there is plenty of proof. Anyways, thanks for allowing the shout out dodbuzz. See ya at SCI's website. Best, David Woroner, CEO Survival Consultants International

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:55:01 +0000

Good to see that people out there are thinking about cheaper and different ways to protect soldiers and vehicles. It would be cool to see on in action.

By: Colonial-Marine

Colonial-Marine — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:48:47 +0000

True but we need to continue development of other systems. I believe we should have deployed the Isreali Trophy system years ago now while continuing development of our own active defense systems.

By: Rob

Rob — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:12 +0000

Just being a little speculative, and for a simple example of what I am trying to say, I will use 8 as an arbitrary figure:
If this TARPS system can defeat 6 out of the 8 known weapons, deploy it now and keep working on it. Up grade it as new abilities are developed, but Deploy It Now Regardless! Six is just so much more better defense than NONE!

By: Tango BB

Tango BB — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:35:53 +0000

Sweet! RPG’s just bounce off the little airbag forcefield around your vehicle!

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:24:41 +0000

I hope it won’t deploy when the radar detects every rock thrown.

By: Kepmeister

Kepmeister — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:36:56 +0000

Need one for choppers

By: Colonial-Marine

Colonial-Marine — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:01:29 +0000

So pretty much ERA but with airbags that pre-deploy when an RPG is detected and about to hit.

Interesting idea but it won’t work against newer RPGs. We still need to continue development on other “hard-kill” active defense systems.

By: CharlesHouston

CharlesHouston — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:34:25 +0000

What a neat idea. Hopefully they could have multiple airbags on the sides of a vehicle — one would deflate and be discarded after use. Clearing the way for one mounted beside it to be used on the way back to base. Maybe once you were in the clear — dismounted folks could replace them on the outside. Sort of like putting up new Claymore mines.

By: atacms

atacms — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:41:05 +0000

Greg,

I attended an AUSA conference last year and got to speak with one of the Textron engineers working on TRAPS and we got into discussing TRAPS for a Blackhawk down scenario. I was happy to hear him say that they were working on something for helos. It’s about time we counter RPG’s aimed not just at ground vehicles, but helos too!