Afghan Push May Threaten Pakistan

Afghan Push May Threaten Pakistan

As policymakers continue to debate U.S. strategy in Afghanistan, we asked Rick Nelson, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, to weigh in on the possibility of reconciling Taliban fighters, efforts to track down Al Qaeda and the potential risks that an escalation of the war in Afghanistan might pose to neighboring Pakistan. Nelson is a former Navy helicopter pilot with operational and intelligence experience in counterterrorism including assignments at the National Counterterrorism Center and National Security Council. Earlier this year, he returned from Afghanistan where he directed a Joint Task Force. Below is an email Q and A we did.

1. The recently signed 2010 defense bill contains a provision that permits commanders in Afghanistan (using CERP funds) to pay insurgent fighters to switch sides. The hope is that the “Sons of Iraq” program can be replicated in Afghanistan by offering low-level insurgents amnesty for past acts and a job. Will this effort to peel away militants work and would it have a noticeable impact on the Taliban?

We need to be careful about assuming that what worked in Iraq will solve Afghanistan. That said, the successful “Sons of Iraq” program could inform efforts to split the Taliban and reduce militancy in Afghanistan.

The Afghan Taliban is not monolithic—its three main branches are the Quetta Shura, the Haqqani network, and the Hezb-i-Islami Gulbuddin—and these divisions suggest an opportunity to split or co-opt the insurgency. This type of program would be based on the premise that U.S., NATO, and Afghan forces can never fully eliminate Taliban influence in Afghanistan; accordingly, some sort of political reconciliation ultimately is needed.

Recent evidence of a fissure between the “nationalist” Afghan Taliban and “universal jihadist” al Qaeda also casts doubt on predictions of a Taliban-al Qaeda caliphate emerging in Afghanistan. These key differences recommend a political solution which institutionalizes at least some of the Afghan Taliban in exchange for an end to the insurgency and eventual American troop reductions.

2. The Taliban and other Afghan insurgents groups receive money from wealthy Arabs, particularly from the Gulf states. Since there appears to be a market incentive to some insurgent activity, how can the U.S. stop the flow of money into Taliban coffers and how important is stopping the financing to insurgent operations?

Unfortunately, the U.S. remains quite limited in its ability to stop these illicit flows. This fact suggests that we are never likely to completely defeat the Taliban.

The real question we should be asking, though, is this: how important is it to eliminate the Taliban? The very fact that the insurgency receives most of its funding from abroad suggests that at least some regional actors may be bankrolling the Taliban as a convenient way to bleed American power rather than to prop up an Islamist government. Under this scenario, a large-scale U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan merely serves to fuel the insurgency.

In this case, the Obama administration might consider how to reach a political settlement with certain, reconcilable elements of the Taliban. Such an agreement would require insurgents to lay down their arms in exchange for U.S. and NATO troop reductions. The U.S. would also make clear that it will not tolerate Taliban collusion with al Qaeda. Given these assurances, U.S. forces could refocus their efforts on combating al Qaeda—the original purpose of our invasion eight years ago.

3. The Afghan debate pits the “light footprint,” counterterrorism approach, versus the “heavy footprint,” population-centric counterinsurgency approach. Reportedly, the Obama administration will choose a hybrid strategy, providing security in major population centers while pulling troops from remote areas. Doesn’t such an approach risk giving the Taliban free rein in much of the country, allowing them to expand their “shadow government” in the many villages where coalition troops are not present?

Not necessarily. Proponents of troop-intensive counterinsurgency (COIN) unfairly equate the counterterrorism (CT) option with troop withdrawals and a complete abandonment of Afghanistan. In fact, a consolidation of troops in major urban areas would create opportunities for local empowerment of Afghans. Many of Afghanistan’s rural tribes and ethnic groups are hostile to outsiders in general, including U.S. and NATO forces. The best way to ensure their security is to empower them in self-defense against the Taliban; one recent analysis on DoD Buzz, for instance, suggested arming Afghan tribes.

Critics of “urban consolidation” also miss the point of this approach when they claim that it would give the Taliban free reign in rural areas. America’s primary reason for being in Afghanistan is to “disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda.” But al Qaeda’s senior leaders are based in northwestern Pakistan. A reallocation of U.S. and NATO troops in major urban areas—nearly all of which are close to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border—would better position these forces to address the al Qaeda threat than would widely-dispersed, rural population protection.

4. Is Al Qaeda part of the Pakistani military’s target set, or are their offensive operations focused exclusively on the Pakistani Taliban groups and does the Pakistani military have adequate intelligence to target Al Qaeda?

Nominally, Pakistan’s campaign in South Waziristan has targeted Tehrik-i-Taliban (the Pakistan Taliban). Still, al Qaeda’s South Asia apparatus is based in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), so any Pakistani offensive in this area might potentially subsume al Qaeda. In late October, for instance, Pakistani Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani suggested that the military might target the roughly 1,000– to 2,000-member Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, a key al Qaeda affiliate operating in northwestern Pakistan. More important, a successful Pakistani campaign could serve as the first step in a larger effort to reduce or eliminate militancy in the northwest.

Even key members in the U.S. government have limited knowledge of how much intelligence Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) possesses on al Qaeda. This has been the subject of recent debate, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton suggested that Pakistani authorities could be doing more to track al Qaeda operatives.

5. Pakistan is concerned that an American escalation in Afghanistan will push Taliban fighters across the border into Pakistan. If the Obama administration sends additional troops to Afghanistan, what effect will U.S. offensive operations have on Pakistani stability?

Pakistan has a right to be concerned. After September 11, U.S. forces and our allies routed Taliban and al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan, but pushed their remnants into Pakistan. And over the last eight years, extremist activity in Pakistan has risen in response to U.S. and NATO military escalation in Afghanistan. Today, Pakistan’s offensive in South Waziristan holds the potential for weakening al Qaeda. But troop increases likely would push insurgents into northwestern Pakistan, which would heighten extremism there and make Islamabad’s campaign even more difficult.

Calls for additional forces also risk alienating the Pakistani military and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), both of which have signaled deep reservations about a possible American escalation in Afghanistan. These two institutions are critical partners in U.S. efforts to combat al Qaeda and ultimately will determine the intensity of any offensive against militants. But they also fear growing American and Indian influence in Afghanistan. The Obama administration must be careful, then, to ensure that escalation does not encourage the military and ISI to view extremist militancy more as a defensive buffer against such influence than as an internal nemesis

In the end, U.S. interests lie firmly in combating al Qaeda. As such, any regional strategy which stabilizes Afghanistan while destabilizing Pakistan would be a failure.

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We need to make sure that the Pakistani military and their ISI (which has been tainted with extremism itself) do not have a veto on our reaction to military attacks on our soil. If ISI has supported the Taliban and Al Queda, and they attack us — ISI needs to stand aside as we kick some butt. They may see Afghanistan as a client state, but if their client attacks us on our own soil…

Recent evidence of a fissure between the “nationalist” Afghan Taliban and “universal jihadist” al Qaeda also casts doubt on predictions of a Taliban-al Qaeda caliphate emerging in Afghanistan. These key differences recommend a political solution which institutionalizes at least some of the Afghan Taliban in exchange for an end to the insurgency and eventual American troop reductions.

Calls for additional forces also risk alienating the Pakistani military and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), both of which have signaled deep reservations about a possible American escalation in Afghanistan. These two institutions are critical partners in U.S. efforts to combat al Qaeda and ultimately will determine the intensity of any offensive against militants. But they also fear growing American and Indian influence in Afghanistan. The Obama administration must be careful, then, to ensure that escalation does not encourage the military and ISI to view extremist militancy more as a defensive buffer against such influence than as an internal nemesis
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What’s this recent evidence that Rick Nelson speaks of?

This plan of may not be 100% terrorism proof. but as long they turn away from their bad ways , put their alligiance to their country, helping the people of Afghanistan and put their loyaty to UN, USA, Nato and Afghanistan government. Sometimes second chances still works.

We have to learn lessons from the past so we dont repeat the same mistakes again. Lesson #1. ISI and Pakistani army played double game. They are prime reason why we could not clean up A-Queda so far. My evidence: where did they catch top AQ leaders Abu Zobedah, Ramzi Binul Shib and Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, all in Pakistani military garrison safe houses. Thus, we CAN NOT trust pakistani army or ISI and we must not oursource the job to them fearing destabilizing nuclear Pakistan. Lessone#2. Destabilizing Pakistani has been our greatest fear that tied our hands and Pakistani army and ISI fully exploited this and used nuclear blackmail to survive and protect their interests (AQ and Taliban) with no fear of retaliation. We have to make sure that they understand that we are not going to hesitate one second to take them out if they protect AQ any more, even if it means Nuking them.

No matter what we do, there seems to be an internal stuggle going on within the army and ISI. Having observed this region for some time, I have a feeling that ISI and fundamentalist officers of army are being pushed to the limit and may take over the country overhrowing the generals who are responsive to US interests. They find the prevailing anti-US sentiment in the country supportive of their cause. We MUST be prepared for this adverse outcome. The famous quote heard often in south asia, there three As that control Pakistan, Army, Allah and America. Now, Allah is joined by Army against America. We better be prepared.

My prediction: The present operation to clean up NW pakistan is simply dipersing the AQ and Taliban, so far hardly 100 bad guys have been killerd according to all the media reports from past few weeks, then, where are the 10000 Taliban+AQ know to be there in NW Pakistan? They are probably moved (by Pakistani ISI) elsewhere (Punjab, Sindh or Kashmir). After they occupy the NW and declare victory they collect our money. We are going to be left with the bad guys again.

There is a advantage and disadvantage of reconliation with the Taliban. 1. The advantage is it may work. 2. The disadvantage is we dont know if this strategy will work we already found out that when we use the jehadin against russian in the past and some become al-quida with Osama bin Ladin as its chief leader on the 90’s. We are consider as an infidel by them because of our religion and practices. 3. This may pose a problem with other countries and ally like Pakistan. It could also be a problem with the Iranians,4. Religion can be a factor to them and they are not 100% trusthworthy ex. is Forth Hood.
Solution: Train 500,000 Afghan citizen with no affiliation with taliban and al-quida. And hunt for Osama and Al-Sawari, then delare victory after they were found,

5. Taliban and Al-quida are allies.

The CIA has done much of this type of thing already, with mixed results. Having soldiers on the ground do it may stop the average young man from leaving the village to fight for money, but what keeps the Taliban from just forcing young men to fight for them like they groups do in Somalia? Nothing.

Good Morning Folks,

I think Drake 1 has it about right. The way to fight the Taliban, which as Drake 1 said in his first post which is already fractured is to dry up the source of new recruits.

I think the answer to keeping you men in the village is to show them that all is not hopeless and to help villages achieve a self supporting economy with a sustainable base at the village level.

This require such soft counterinsurgency as bring in agricultural assistance, helping set up channels of crops getting to a market, it included credit and small loans, it include assistance in setting up tradesmen mechanics, artisans and service enterprises, providing engineering assistance and technical and material support in repairing and building the village infrastructure.

Many who support a more robust military presence and an Iraqi solution of kill ‘em till there are no bad guys left often quote Mao when he said ” Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” they forget the rest of the quote which says.”… Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns we can create Party organizations… We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture. create mass movements.”

The United States can use the gun to create as Mao said the Party (Government), Party organization (economic development), create cadre (local police and protection from the Taliban), create schools (for both boys and girls), create culture (markets for locally produced/made goods and produce and village level democratic institutions), create mass movements (Afghanistan into the 21st. Century). This seem to be a better way then just killing the Taliban, letting the Taliban regroup and then doing it all over again.

The United States has more weapons in it arsenal then just the gun, lets use them.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Good Morning commentators.

Most of my time in those Middle East areas was many years ago now. But the failure of many of America’s policy-makers to understand the culture and attitudes of the region remains, sadly, similarly poor. Our beliefs that “they want what we want” are not so true much of the time.

One important factor, of course, is the differences of religion. A good book on this is “Making War In The Name of God.” By Christopher Catherwood. These differences color our respective ideas of how to approach our relations with each other, and with other countries. No single, silver-bullet-approach will likely work. And after all of these years already, no one has found that magic touch yet. So, I fear we’ll just slog along until we get lucky or stumble into something that works. That has often been the way history has unfolded in these matters.

Or should we just vote on whose God is the correct one to follow? Whose side is He really on? Why hasn’t He been clearer on whose side He favors? Maybe He hasn’t made up His mind yet? Stay tuned.

I’m just glad my time in that region is over while all governments thrash this out. I remain a fascinated observer, and wonder whose God will come out the champion again? For only a while, of course. This stuff never really ends. In the end, “Might Makes Right.” And the winners pick who the best God is. At least for a while.

Apperantly you don’t want to know what I think. Since you keep saying my commit is to long. try breaking it down in to muliple commits. Thats kind of Assine.

Seems to me that the only reason the Pakistani’s are taking any action at all is due to the pressure that the AQ and Taliban are feeling from us. That’s caused the bad guys to try to solidify their bases in Pakistan at the expense of the governement. I’m sure the terrorist’s supporters in the ISA and the Army would love it if we would back off and give them more breathing room.

Got to argee with Ronnie on this one. :-D

Check this out in New Yorker:
http://​www​.newyorker​.com/​r​e​p​o​r​t​i​n​g​/​2​0​0​9​/​1​1​/​1​6​/​091...
Defending the Arsenal
In an unstable Pakistan, can nuclear warheads be kept safe? by Seymour M. Hersh

My prediction is shared by the famous Seymour Hersch. Good thing is that our army is doing something about Pakistani rogue ISI and army. Right now, the peration in NW Pakistan (South Wazirstan) is only dealing with Taliban that got out of control and targeting Pakistan instead of US and India. They are not touching or they have no intention t o do anything about the Taliban and AQ living in Northern Wazirstan which target US and NATO. Just watch Fareed Zakaria GPS interview with Musharaf today (http://​www​.cnn​.com/​C​N​N​/​P​r​o​g​r​a​m​s​/​f​a​r​e​e​d​.​z​a​k​a​r​i​a​.gp...

It seems that we are letting an opportunity go by. This is the perfect time
for a German pincher move. If the Taliban & AQ have to fight on two fronts,
they will be severely weekend, maybe permanently.

Take the enemy region by region. Maybe that will solve the problem.

We can’t even take care of our own gangs here what makes you think we can over there

Right on target Robert.

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