The Great Afghan Numbers Debate

The Great Afghan Numbers Debate

Updated: New “Gates Option” said to be Pentagon’s preferred choice.

Today’s Washington Post says Defense Secretary Gates is pushing an additional troop plan; since Gates has driven Obama’s defense agenda it’s probably the one that will be enacted. Called the “Gates Option,” it would deploy between 30,000 and 35,000 U.S. troops for the counterinsurgency effort and rely on NATO allies to add 5,000 to 10,000 troops to get to McChrystal’s magic 40,000 figure. The story says any significant troop increase will require building many new bases in Afghanistan and at least a year to deploy them.

Where do things stand with the great Afghanistan troop numbers decision, some two months after Gen. Stanley McChrystal issued a request for reinforcements? News outlets have been stumbling over each other to report that President Obama has settled on a final number. The speculation continues despite a brush-back thrown Monday night by National Security Adviser Jim Jones, who said in an emailed statement to reporters: “Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false.”


Over the weekend, McClatchy had by far the most detailed report, saying the plus-up number would be 34,000, to include three Army brigades from the 10th Mountain and the 101st Airborne Divisions, a Marine Expeditionary Brigade and a new division headquarters to be stood up in Kandahar. The first of the new brigades would arrive in March and the rest would follow at three month intervals.

The AP reported on Monday that “tens of thousands” more forces would go, but not quite the 40,000 figure reportedly requested by ISAF commander McChrystal. The story says the additional troops would be tasked with providing security in ten key towns and cities.

CBS News reported the number would be around 40,000, or four combat brigades plus thousands more support troops, so nothing really different than what McClatchy ran with. The story adds that a fighting force of around 100,000 American troops would be kept in Afghanistan for about four years or until the Afghan security forces are able to stand on their own.

Today’s New York Times portrays Obama as undecided and keeping his options open, with his senior military and foreign advisers, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs chair Mike Mullen, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton all favoring around 30,000 more troops. Strategic options Obama is said to be mulling over include how much of Afghanistan must be controlled and how rapidly the Afghan security forces can be expanded.

Today’s Wall Street Journal goes with the 30,000 to 35,000 number to include up to 10,000 advisers to train the Afghan forces. The reinforcements would begin to arrive as early as January and would include three Army brigades and a Marine regiment. The pace of the buildup would be slow, lasting as long as two years.

Everybody appears to be playing off the same sheet of music with leaks from inside the Pentagon by military officials fleshing out the details of McChrystal’s preferred force package and White House sources saying Obama has yet to make a final decision.

For weeks now the leaks have been stuck on the 40,000 figure. Whether or not that’s exactly the number Obama eventually goes with, it’s the neighborhood. There is every reason to expect total force levels in Afghanistan to fluctuate over time based on the ebb and flow of the fighting on the ground and periodic strategic reviews.

There is no mention in any of the reports about how many additional helicopter brigades might be sent to the theater, or how many more aerial drones will be flowing in over the next few months. These “enablers” are as critical as more troops and perhaps even more so.

Via The Washington Times we learn that aerial drone coverage on the ground is very thin; the commander of the Army Stryker brigade operating around Kandahar said flat out his troops do not have enough “Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance capabilities.” His brigade has already lost 21 Stryker vehicles to IED attacks, in part because they can’t get a “persistent stare” on the few, and very predictable, roads they’re able to use.

Larger theater commander, Gen. David Petraeus, is trying to balance force levels and equipment between Iraq, where the drawdown continues, and the plus-up underway in Afghanistan. At a counterinsurgency conference a couple of months back he said Central Command is trying to move as many drones and other surveillance aircraft from Iraq to Afghanistan.

Air Force Brig. Gen. Guy Walsh, commander of the 451st Air Expeditionary Wing at Kandahar Air Field, recently told us the number of drones operating in Afghanistan’s skies has nearly doubled over the past year. Clearly they need more. He said the ramp at Kandahar can’t handle any more fighter jets, with 270 aircraft already based there, but they will be adding aerial drones over the next year.

Where will the reinforcements go, assuming Obama gives the go ahead? Petraeus said that nearly 70 percent of the Taliban attacks occur in just ten districts and the approach he favors is “to concentrate your effort in those areas where the insurgency is most threatening the population and you have the most people and they most matter.” Those areas where the attack “density plots” were most concentrated include Helmand, Kandahar and a handful of locations in Regional Command East, he said.

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ISR assets whould be the key here. There hasn’t been enough in the past and obviously there aren’t enough now. This requirement is especially true given the terrain and how desolate the country is. To maintain a constant “boots on the ground” footprint is very difficult, especially when the only way to provide logistical support is by helicopter.

DC2

Firstly, get the mission right. Then, figure out the boots needed to successfully complete the mission. In the case of Afghanistan the “mission” should be to get the f*ck outta Dodge as quickly as possible. Now how many guys do we need to act as a rearguard while we bring the boys home.

Afghanistan has NEVER been anything but a group of tribes and clans fighting each other with some King or Dictator sitting in Kabul robbing them all blind. The bad guys DON’T NEED training grounds there, they can get together in their college dorms in Germany, France and Spain with a few of their English friends and plot quite nicely — thank you.

The REAL surprise of Islamic militancy is HOW PUNY the number of bad guys really is. IF — most of the followers of Islam wanted to rumble with the West — trust me — we wouldn’t be chasing a few beards in caves at the far end of nowhere — we’d have MULTIPLE THOUSANDS of attacks weekly — world wide. Polls in EVERY Muslim country show over 70+ think the Islamists are EVIL and MISREPRESENT their faith. Sorta like most Americans think the Religious Right are bat-shit-crazy neocon retards.

Peace brothers.

I believ that the time line is right to sent 20.000 now befor more of our troops get hurt or Kill over there now is the right time for President Obama to do the right thing to sent reinforments why wait any longer the time now not next year he most give his Word now befor the snow begains to fall in washinton this year this is what i believe’

Mylegacy– if you want to be taken seriously, you should probably refrain from comments such as your last line.

Obama wants commanders to show him an exit strategy. So does the public.

I salute him for his efforts.

Respectfully,

Daniel Russ
civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

The President just sent all options (including the Gates and the secret 4th) back for revision.

What is Gates, Mullen, Cartwright and McChrystal’s exit plan? Do they have one? I doubt it. All we see is more and more thousands of contractors being hired in Vietnamistan. We see hundreds of billions in construction projects building bases/forts for long-term use like Iraq, Germany, Korea and the old West.

Bush and McCain wanted a 100-year war so we can be just as dysfunctional and corrupt as Karzai’s regime in Afghanistan. We don’t control anything there except the air. The $250 billion we’ve spent could have been used for education, healthcare, job training and unemployment benefits for Americans. Instead Bush and his cabal spent it in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I don’t know Chris, I’m taking Mylegacy seriously! I’m a Christian conservative, and even I agree with him.

We call them the American Taliban. That nut that shot Doctor Tiller in Kansas is a good example.

I really could care less about Afghanistan; I’m more worried about Pakistan. We’ve been pounding on them to get tough with the Pashtun provinces, and now that they finally do and the understandable leakage at the border is occurring — we give up??

Makes absolutely no sense!!! We should stay long enough to satisfy Pakistan’s defense needs then let them tell us when it is a good time to leave. They’ve put up with our chiding and bullying so far, the least we could do is show them a little respect. This is the whole problem with why America is disrespected in the first place. Honor you commitments and people will respond positively.

I’d love to see our forces disengage in Afghanistan; western civilization has no idea how places like that, just like Viet Nam, operate. Unfortunately, Taliban will step back in as soon as we’re gone and rebuild their base for planning attacks on the West. As was borne out at Fort Hood, the Obama administration has returned our intelligence posture to that of pre-9/11/01. The firewalls are back up to prevent agencies from comparing notes and effectively deterring attacks.
I predict that Obama will commit enough forces to keep us engaged in the fight, but not enough to win it.

My dear friends,
I can say like this.
You went to Afghanistan or Iraq and you have no success there. The Arabs as killers won the war. You lost everything and we whites have the global crisis. The decision to win is one. You have to numbering all Afghans and close them in camps. Then kills all talibans. If you are not to be prepared for this move because “you humans” get out of Afghanistan and Iraq, because over there there is no countries. They have still riotes. the 16 ages organization. And their thinking is a fatva. And for them the“Democracy” is the death.

first lets set the record straight.
President Obama commited high treason when he as a leader of the United States BOWED TO A MUSILUM ISLAMIC KING..

plane and simple we need a president that is not always seeing the worlds wonders while we are losing good men in afganistan and Iraq and in my opinion its because he doesnt want to send troops to kill his brothers in Faithj. he is most certainly a islamic musilum or else he would not have bowed to the king on National Television.. thats where i lost all hope or beliefs that he might indeed to the man to help this nation. instead he brings us since we are his servants under bondage to a musilum king.. what a disgrace.. i say he needs to be impeached at the least for high treasom.. the United States President Bows to no one…
but Obama showed his colors on live TV..what a idiot…

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