U.S. Power Slipping, Analysts Warn

U.S. Power Slipping, Analysts Warn

A warning to lawmakers of a shift underway in the global balance of power from the West to the East came this week from a rather sober source, Stephen Daggett, a defense policy analyst at the Congressional Research Service. CRS analysts are better known for providing carefully balanced and normative assessments of weapons systems or foreign policy issues, without weighing in on what can be politically tricky issues; which is why I hope lawmakers listened closely to what he said.

“We are in the midst of a shift away from American military predominance towards something different,” Daggett said, “we’re still for several years clearly going to be technologically predominant in military capabilities. How long we’ll have the ability to do all of the above, to project power in every kind, ground forces, maritime forces, air forces, I don’t know, but it’s eroding slowly over time.”

The glory days of the American century were the last 50 years of the 20th century, he said. The 21st century is slowly turning into something much more balanced in terms of power distribution than most generations of Americans have ever confronted. “The U.S. can still shape that environment… but our shaping of the environment has to be in a direction that leads to more cooperation with allies and efforts to build an agreement on the rules of the road with potential future foes like China,” particularly in areas like protecting the global commons, such as the maritime domain and cyber space.


One of my favorite China watchers, Zachary Karabell, of the New American Foundation, says current estimates project that the aggregate Chinese economy will surpass that of the U.S. by 2020. That will provide China tremendous purchasing power (the U.S. economy is roughly $14 trillion in size), on top of that it already has, relative to declining purchasing power in the West. In the recent global financial meltdown, he says, China came out on top; it has all the money and doesn’t have any debt. The Chinese feel like they’ve won.

War with China is not preordained. As Karabell and others say, it’s hard to imagine the U.S. and China going to war as their two economies have become so intimately intertwined. There will, however, clearly be consequences to a decline in relative U.S. power.

That the world is going through a disruptive period is hard to deny. The “unipolar moment” was just that, but a moment. Greater strategic complexity and uncertainty puts pressure on policymakers to correctly identify looming challenges, be it the rise of China, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction or radical terrorism. The problem is that even if policymakers agree on the most serious challenges to U.S. security, in a period of constrained resources, the needed tools and options might not be available, says the strategist Andrew Krepinevich, president of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

Beware of “strategic myopia,” Krepinevich warned, focusing laser like on Afghanistan risks missing larger shifts underway in global power. Speaking earlier in the week, on a different panel than Daggett, he also told the HASC that the military foundation of America’s global dominance is eroding. The diffusion of advanced technologies combined with the rise of new powers, such as China, and hostile states, such as Iran, will make it prohibitively expensive in both blood and treasure for the U.S. to control areas of vital interest, such as the Western Pacific and the Persian Gulf.

The realization that America is losing its technological supremacy is unlikely to come in the form of another Sputnik moment, but something much more subtle, stretching across various industries. One example: earlier this week we discussed the growing recognition, inside DoD and out, that the U.S. helicopter industrial base is in big trouble as its losing its technological edge to faster growing European firms.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has repeatedly said that the U.S. cannot spend its way out of its national security challenges. The money is not going to be there. The Congressional Budget Office this week said that just to pay for planned force structure increases, the weapons programs currently on the books and the costs of equipping troops at war will require base defense budget increases along the lines of 6 percent annually. It’s hard to see how that level of spending can possibly happen with the current high deficits and skyrocketing national debt.

Krepinevich said its time to take a hard look at military spending and plan and invest in certain areas of potential advantage while divesting from other areas. He also called for a long-term strategic planning exercise similar to President Eisenhower’s “Project Solarium,” which decisively shaped U.S. Cold War strategy.

“A decline in our military’s ability to influence events abroad may be inevitable: however, it should not be the result of indifference or lack of attention. There are important strategic choices that the United States must make. To avoid those choices now is simply to allow the United States’ rivals to make them for us,” he said.

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Good Morning Folks,

Here we go again more nonsense from think tanks whos job is to promote political agendas and to drum up business for the defense industry.

First off is the working estimate of the US economy at $14 trillion. If this were true currently we would be in an economic depression and the rest of the world would be following down the Crapper. A more realistic estimation of the size of the US economy is $22.3 trillion which explains why the US still has credit and there are no mobs of unemployed in the streets.

The bouggie man here of course is China and Greg Grant drags out another expert from a think tank to predict that China’s economy will out perform the US economy with in a decade. Sorry Greg but it’s not likely. China’s economy currently is estimated at $6–7 trillion dollar US or about a third of the real US economy. When the Yuan is floated and is adjusted to the Euro and Dollar the value of China,s economy is likely to fall.

China is being hailed for its military modernization. The Chinese have made great strides and example is of course the J-10 fighter that was that was shown in the recent parade. What’s the big deal China will make between 120–160 J-10’s for the PLAAF. The Type 099 Tank that was called one of the worlds twelve best, how many main battle tanks are currently out their ten maybe? It really doesn’t make any differance anyway China intends to only produce about 500 for the PLA

We cannot sit idle and let this happen, our political leaders are more than willing to drive our military into a state of ruin in order to achieve their other objectives. If the defense budget must be 6% of the GDP in this time of WAR so be it, We need new equipment and enough of it to maintain and strengthen our conventional forces as well as winning counter-insurgency warfare! Too many projects have been canceled in the last decade and the equipment those projects were supposed to replace are serving far longer than they should be. Behind getting out of this debt we have created we defense should be our top priority!

Good Morning Folks,

Here we go again more nonsense from think tanks whos job is to promote political agendas and to drum up business for the defense industry.

First off is the working estimate of the US economy at $14 trillion. If this were true currently we would be in an economic depression and the rest of the world would be following down the Crapper. A more realistic estimation of the size of the US economy is $22.3 trillion which explains why the US still has credit and there are no mobs of unemployed in the streets.

The bouggie man here of course is China and Greg Grant drags out another expert from a think tank to predict that China’s economy will out perform the US economy with in a decade. Sorry Greg but it’s not likely. China’s economy currently is estimated at $6–7 trillion dollar US or about a third of the real US economy. When the Yuan is floated and is adjusted to the Euro and Dollar the value of China,s economy is likely to fall.

China is being hailed for its military modernization. The Chinese have made great strides and example is of course the J-10 fighter that was that was shown in the recent parade. What’s the big deal China will make between 120–160 J-10’s for the PLAAF. The Type 099 Tank that was called one of the worlds twelve best, how many main battle tanks are currently out their ten maybe? It really doesn’t make any difference anyway China intends to only produce about 500 for the PLA and fill what ever order Pakistan might have. Pakistan chose the Russian T-80’s over the Chinese Type-90’s on their first buy of a modern tank.

I could go on, the TYPE-094 SSBN’s, Type-093 SSN, the Type-090 series assault rifles etc. But the story is all the same most don’t work as advertises and in ant case only a few will ever be made.

Come on Greg do some home work on this stuff, don’t relay on experts for pay for your information.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Note: The above was I guess an auto post or something, whatever please ignore.

care to cite your $23 trillion economy?

Byron Skinner why on every topic do I find you cheering on the crowd that wants defense cuts and no new equipment for our forces. I am glad these think tanks are around to “drum up business for the defense industry” because we need that business and the equipment they create.

You ignore many other Chinese aircraft like the J-11, classified projects they are known to be working on, you underestimate the number of new assets they plan to produce, and you don’t seem to realize their workers, soldiers, engineers, and everybody get paid far less than ours do. They get much more for each USD equivalent they spend over there.

Meanwhile the much needed F-35 program is in danger, the F-22 was cut, there is little word on what GCV will be, our helicopter industry is in poor shape, and there are many requirements still unfulfilled since the 1990s. When it comes down to what our infantry have they are still using old M16s, M4s, and M249s, they are carrying a ridiculously heavy amount of gear, and many of the advancements foreseen by programs like Land Warrior and Future Force Warrior have yet to emerge. And did I even mention the state of the Navy?

If we lose our capabilities in the aerospace and ship-building industry they cannot be gained back in a day or a few years. They need to be maintained or we fall behind rapidly! As a nation we cannot afford this or afford a continued reduction in numbers of aircraft, vehicles, ships, and so forth. We MUST find other solutions to defense industry problems than canceling and cutting key projects.

The comments on this topic seem broken as the times are getting switched around and some things keep getting repeated.

I agree with when you say that we need to spend what it takes, where I think many of us (don’t mean to speak for you Skinner) disagree with you is that you imply more moeny = better results and less money = surrender. (neither of which are true).

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we won’t let paranoia work us into another military buildup akin to the Cold War.

The future seems to be one where nations will have more equal footing due to increasing globalization. The spread of technology, economic opportunity, and educational opportunity means that if we want to remain a world power, we need to focus on: fiscal responsibility, sound economic policy, maintaining technological superiority, and an educated workforce. In all these areas we are failing or starting to trail most of the industrialized world. Let’s not overlook the fact that China also faces many challenges like: class warfare, ethnic tensions, and an artificially regulated economy. All could throw a monkey wrench in the whole Chinese miracle.

Regardless of whether this happens or not, we need to realize that we can have a military w//o peer, but ultimately lose our present status due to a lack of fiscal responsibility, sound economic policy, maintaining technological superiority, and an educated workforce.

And a big thank you to Mr.Obama we will continue to slip of of the number one place!

this IS barry osbama’s goal.….

Good Evening Folks,

For Daniel. The National Income Accounting procedures now and for the last century that have been in use has two serious flaws.

First it assumes that all financial services and product are created and consumed internally and thus the accounts zero out. Last fall showed that this simply is not true and that in fact financial services are at least a $5 trillion industry.

Secondly the underground economy is not accounted for in any way. From the bartering, unrecorded sales of products, and trading of goods and services between individuals. Also not in the figures are the domestic illegal drug trade, illegal gambling and other illegal activities that generate untaxed personal income income none, of this is accounted for in GDP/GNP accounting.

To William C. I dislike the spending of money on worthless and never to be used vanity weapon system like the F-22 that exist on to support military careers and to male a return on equity for investors in the military industrial complex. I do have vigorously support such programs as better body armor, replacing the AR system for the basic service rifle, better boots and personal equipment for out troops, it’s not right in my opinion that the average deploying soldier/marine spends at least $900.00 of his/her personal funds for such items as Leatherman Multi-Tools, magazines for their weapons that work, walk about communications systems that squads are still using after six years because the issue “Squad Intercom doesn’t work in urban areas and in valleys and canyons, Camel Back hydration systems etc. I support most UAV’s, UCV’s and UUV’s, I’m in favor of CV’s, the nest generation of SSN’s, SSGN’s, the DD 51 Destroyer, the AC-27J to name just a few items that i think the DoD should buy.

The United States is not slipping in defense technology, this is on in the imagination of those who have a political agenda that has nothing to do with the military. I have yet to see anyone show any critical technology are the United States is behind either the Chinese or the Russian in. Then there is the American military personal the ONLY major military in the world that has combat experience, this is has more value then all the vanity toys of the General/Admiral’s put together.

I see an industry/neo-conservative instigated and promoted military competition with China that is needless and counter productive. The Chines have shown absolutely no indication that they desire any form of conflict with the United States, and in fact China wants to join with the international community is dealing with the wars on terrorism. Any military aggression by China towards the United States exists only in the minds of the conservative think thank tanks and industry who have a vested economic interest in promoting such ideas.

I hope that answers you question William C.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Mr. Skinner,

Ditto what you said on think tanks. Enough with these faux universities where “scholars” are paid for a specific opinion and produce research that rarely survives academic review. They are a hydra head of lobbying firms, politicos dressed as smart people. Imagine.

That said, is there really any reason why we need to dominate the world? Would it be OK just to be able to take care of our own problems? What on Earth do we hope to accomplish in the Vietnamistan? There is so much we can do to regain our dominance if we stopped shipping jobs overseas and started to create something of value right here…something other than a business deal.

They say history repeats itself.

Nos es Rome meus amicitia.

Respectfully,

Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

Both you and Byron fail to realize the technological impact advanced aerospace and other defense programs have on everything else. This alone is a reason why we should provide the BEST of everything for our soldiers including F-22s, a new strategic bomber, new ships, rifles, and everything in between. Old F-15s don’t cut it!

I disagree with the notion that a technological arms race with the Chinese would be counter-productive, when in fact it could be very useful in terms of strengthening our military and continued technological development. Just look at what the space race gave us.

Ooooooh. It’s those neo-conservatives again. Hmmm.

Could not be the Marxist that is commander in chief.

When will some people see the man-child as what he is?
bill ayers+ usofkka jerimiah wright

Does byron skinner work for the chicomms?

Look at capabilities not ‘intentions’ of a dictatorial regime like china. All their systems are being designed with preventing us ‘interference’ in th west pacific in a manner similiar to 1930s japan.

Please explain their asbm development and the thousands of missilies pointed at democratic Taiwan. How about the p3 incident and their harassment of our ships in intl waters.

Also try you chicomms are no threat argument on the Taiwanease, Tibetans’ Mongolians, japanease and
Koreans.

Wow. These panda huggers are nonsensical.

I dislike the spending of money on worthless social programs that exist on to support public sector union careers and to manufacture a social welfare state while Barry guts our defense

The USA will have spent more than twice since ‘the war on poverty’ on welfare and other transfer payments from the productive to the good for nothings since 1964 than for the costs of all the real wars we have fought since our founding.

Dow,

I see you spent the evening drinking and apparently woke up so drunk you thought you were sober and should post a few comments. Unfortunately no amount of Spell Check could make any of your posts intelligible.

Respectfully,

Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

If the US defense base is slipping, it’s because of the Clinton “procurement holiday”. While he was busy with Ms. Lewinsky, the US defense base /shrank/. Period. Fewer firms because hundreds, then thousands left the defense industry tiring of the feast/famine cycle and the loss of big ticket programs.

China and Russia seem all too eager to step into the power gap. They won’t just make thanks, planes and missiles for themselves, but for other nations that hate us. Embargoes? Sanctions? Don’t make me laugh. Iran is close to having the bomb and yet many in congress and this administration want to cut missile defense (following the lead of left wing think tanks).

The better weapons inspector are soldiers or marines kicking down doors, the best one is a
bomb dropped on the enemy’s weapons.

Remember WWII: an economic downturn followed by a rush to rearm. Nothing works wonders for an economy like war.

Yes we need a newer rifle, better body armor etc. But that will come with all the other programs. That’s why we have offices likePEO soldier in the US Army. RFI already issues camelbak’s and multi-tools. The army is working on better body armor.

China’s new assault rifle can punch through existing body armor (yes even the “magic” dragon skin) and the S-300/400 (and the Chinese HQ-9) threaten our air power. Our tanks and ships are next on the list of targets. Yes, some say that Chinese weapons are junk. Similar arguments were made about the Japanese A6M Zero until it killed scores of US Navy pilots back in WWII.

Either we modernize our forces or we pay a heavy price. And have to rush to fix the problem.

This will not happen if we solve the recession problem we have on this country(USA). And the only way we can do that is by paying it off, focusing on alternate energy, exploring our existing natural resources on oil, oilshale, coal, biofuel ethanol, thermal energy, nuclear power, kenetic energy and soforth. The current deficits is the cause of this problem. Resolting to unemplyment on private sector, budget problem on every states is the result of the problem.

We spend ten times more on our military than China. How can we fall behind? Is it possible that spending GDP on education, railways, renewable energy ect makes a nation stronger than buying bombs and bullets and paying people in uniform to stand ready.

Good Morning Folks,

To Daniel. The simple answer to you question, is that it’s in the American interest to secure shipping lanes, and to guarantee the sovereignty of other countries. To have a counter balance such as the old Soviet Union was would be nice and would add to international stability. China unfortunately is unable to and also uninterested in filling that role. Russia currently is to small of a country to fill the role of the old Soviet Union.

To William C. The United States already has absolute superiority in the aerospace arena. Out F-16D’s, F/A 18’s E/F and F-15 E/F’s the DOMINATE fighter aircraft in the world. Answer how many have been shot down by either Russian or Chinese build aircraft?

The P-3 incident, well, that’s in the same category as the “ACCIDENTAL bombing of the Chines Embassy in Belgrade, oops. sierra alpha tango. What is surprising and very telling is how LITTLE China gained by stripping out all of the ISR Computers, software and sensors from that aircraft. This inability to capitalize on what must surely was a technological gold mine is rather telling as to how backward China really is.

I’m afraid that a technological arms race with would be an one horse race William. So why waste the resources and treasury and do it.

China’s PLA may have a very strong desire to compete with the United States military as does Russia and I would assume several other state and non state entities in the world, but you also have to have the means and the ability to do it and at this time and into the foreseeable future no other competitor does.

Again for the upteenth time, I’m have no connection nor desire to have any with the PRC. My only interest is looking at the evidence and following it where it may go, to not spend tax payers money on worthless weapons platforms and systems that are not needed, will never see service like the F-22’s and more and more everyday the F-35’s, and serve only to advance military careers, support the vanity and line the pockets of politicians with cash and to provide a return on equity for defense contractors.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Good Morning William C.

I want to address two items you mentioned separately. First the J-11, since the J-11 and the J-12 were a 1980’s project that sent to nothing. I’m assuming that you are referring to the J-12xxs, of which two prototypes have been built and are at the PLAAF Jialaishi PLAAF base on Hianan Island in the South China Sea. Officially not much is know about them and that’s as far as I can go. If the past is any indication if they ever go into production they will made in small numbers (the much heralded J-10 had a production run of 120 the J-10B is scheduled to be a run of 40 aircraft) right now that’s as far as I’m willing to go on this till more information comes out in the open sources.

The ASCM, Anti Sip Cruse Missile, referred to that China is developing is called the Klub, and it is somewhat a copy of the old Soviet Sunburn ASCM, that can be fired the either of the two old Soviet era Sovremenny Guide Missile Destroyers that China purchased form Russia and are the class act of the PLAN’s surface fleet.

The Klub has yet to be developed and as far as western intelligence can determine, it is at least a decade away from being operational if at all. It seems that China has ran into some major technical problems with the Klub.

One thing to keep in mind ASCM’s have only been used against ships in the 1982 Falklands War, and were only successful fired by aircraft (US A-4’s) more or less LOS to the target against ships that were at anchor or stopped. Attacks against moving ships were all misses. The much talked about MaRV, the Chinese drawings are up on the web, the Chinese are not even close.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Allowing our hard-won manufacturing techniques and technologies to be sent over to China (let alone the jobs!) in return for short-term profits is/was a deeply stupid thing to do. Anything that can possibly be a dual-use technology will be used/stolen by the Chinese: They’ve been doing it to the Russians for ages now, and anyone who thinks they won’t do it to us must still believe in the Easter Bunny.

Allowing our education system to erode and making difficult for most to go to college was also a deeply short-sighted thing to do as well. During the Reagan years, I recall a number of CEO’s in our defense establishment publishing an editorial in Aviation Week (amongst others) decrying the loss of student loans to all but either those working on PhD programs, or the very poor when loans were being cut to the barest minimum.

Obviously, few listened to what these CEO’s and industry leaders had to say, and now we’re in trouble. But at least, folks can’t say no one saw it coming.

The USA has much more power over China than is being acknowledged. China depends on the USA to buy its exports supporting the jobs of it’s people which keeps social and political stability. The amount creates a trade deficit above $200 billion PER YEAR in favor of China. Imagine… the USA cuts off trade with China and their system goes chaotic. America would experience inflation, but have immediate demand for jobs and industries to replace good sourced from China. Also, all the US debt held by China… well the USA could just default on the Chinese. Now that would help the USA’s balance sheet! Treasury Bonds, Notes, ans Bills all have a CUSIP number which is traceable. We could void all those held by China.
Biggest problem is America’s education system. Schools, except Universities, are nothing but idiot factories to babysit spoiled kids and accommodate dysfunctional behavior. They are not learning institutions. This needs to change and could happen rather quickly like in the 50’s when America responded to Soviet space advances.

Ha ha, very funny. Must remember that line :) Have a good one,

You wouldn’t need better weapons if you guys stopped invading third world countries so often, and encountering ancient AK-47s, RPG-7s and IMPROVISED Explosive Devices (IEDs) made in garden sheds. Deal with these ‘legacy’ weapons before wanting to spend $Trillions of borrowed Chinese $$$ on new ‘sexy’ weapons you can’t afford and you might actually win a war now and again.

Remember the F-22 bieng renamed the A/F-22 because they tried to convince your politciians it could defeat IEDs in Iraq and therefore win the Iraqi war? All this at 50,000ft at Mach 2. Yeah right.

Anyway. Bill was an excellent President. He started whores, not wars. I met him when he visited New Zealand. A cool guy.

America is still responding to Space weapons.….and satellites, etc. But, apparently, America, having to work overtime, at $0 an hour and $0 overtime pay, well, let’s just say, you get what you pay for. As far as the education system, well, conspiracy theories are more mainstay than the theory of relativity. Heard the two moon theory is the next advancement in technology, making a new Copernicus, for the hopes to watch another meteor shower at the next death panel get together…

@ Byron

“ASCM’s have only been used against ships in the 1982 Falklands War, and were only successful fired by aircraft (US A-4’s) more or less LOS to the target against ships that were at anchor or stopped.”

This is interesting. I thought that Argie French built Etentardes fired French built Exocets, sinking Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor but A-4’s were limited to iron bombs and Zuni rockets. Were there even anti-ship cruise missiles at that time?

Good Evening Steven,

Both the HMS Sheffield and the HMS Atlantic Conveyor were at anchor in Post Stanley at the thine they were hit by the Exocerts. Since Argentina had no over the horizon targeting abilities and the Falklands were about 250 miles from the Argentine mainland an air launch attack was their only option.

If I recall Argentina has a total of six French Built Exocerts and fired four of them at the British ships in Port Stanley, two hit, two missed. I will agree that the technology in ASCM’s has come a long way in over 25 years, but other then the US’s Harpoon, I don’t recall any other anti shipping missiles either air launched or launched from a surface or underwater platform that claims to be able to hit a moving target over the horizon.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

more money for schools then wars would help us out for what is to come

The schools need to be fundamentally fixed before we throw good money after bad.

Of course was there any doubt to this what so ever? the same thing happened when jimmy carter was in office and also slick willy (clinton) and now odumbo. Seems like the dems do the first thing in power is to strip military budgets and let it slip into a point of impotence. They would rather strip it away for their personal agendas instead

I was under the impression Sheffield was actually on patrol north of Falklands/Malvinas and Atlantic Conveyor was in transit.

Radar on Sheffield wasn’t able to detect because a comm link was being used that prevented the radar from working at that time. Lesson learned and problem resolved.

Atlantic Conveyor was still in transit and thought to be HMS Invincible. I believe an Argie AF LEAR –25 was the spotter and when location was discovered, the Etendards were launched from the mainland.

I believe the ships at anchor were all hit with iron bombs. 1 was lost after eod was trying to disarm an unexploded bomb, unsuccessfully.

Details aren’t sharp but I was present for a SERE/POW debrief by the GR5 Harrier pilot shot down and captured and there was a pretty good production presented.

I believe you are correct about the 6 Exocets. The Brits and Yanks pressured the French to keep out of it and not supply any more.

Byron Skinner regarding the lack of the need for the F-35 and F-22 this simply isn’t true. Lets first consider the F-16. They weren’t intended to serve decades into the 21st century, and soon enough we will be retiring F-16s at a rapid rate as refurbishment programs simply aren’t practical for older F-16s. Plus the F-16’s range is lacking due to the original focus of the design. It wasn’t expected to be flying thousands of kilometers across the vast deserts of the middle east. The F-16 is also outclassed in terms of avionics, even upgraded versions do not have a radar comparable to that of a larger fighter. A new fighter like the F-35 is needed to replace the numbers the F-16 has provided us and improve upon the Falcon’s capabilities.

Upgraded F-15s are very potent aircraft, however such a “new” F-15 like the South Korean F-15K are not much cheaper than a F-22. Most of our F-15s in active service are rather old and should be retired in the coming years. Only a handful of our F-15 fleet have been upgraded with the radar, helmet mounted sights, data-links, and other avionics to ensure superiority over foreign designs. We could build new F-15s but it isn’t practical when we have the superior F-22 available at a comparable price.

When it comes to the Navy, most of our standard Hornets (the F/A-18C and F/A-18D) a comparable to our F-16s in terms of age and capability. They are not enough to protect our carrier battle groups and were originally only intended to supplement the F-14. The F-35C is needed to replace these in the coming years, and will be much more capable.

The F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornets have become capable combat aircraft. But their range is not comparable to larger fighter designs like the F-15E, F-22, Su-27, and EF-2000. Their closet counterpart in term of size and performance would be the Mig-35. Remember that the Super Hornet was originally intended to be a stop-gap solution until the A/F-X entered service. The A/F-X was a 5th generation, multi-purpose design that would have combined the roles of the canceled NATF and A-12 Avenger II. Picture a swing-wing F-22 with greater ground attack capability and you have the idea. Yet the A/F-X was also canceled. While the Super Hornet is “good enough” today, the Navy is still lacking a “high-end” 5th generation design for it’s future needs.

Good Evening William C.,

A couple of problems with your agurment. The Mig 35 doesn’t yet exist the Russians and Indians who will “co-build” the Mig 35 are saying not to expect anything till 2020–2025 since the technology of both the F-22 and F-35 originated in the mid 1980’s by the time the Mig-35 does show up the American technology will be going on 50 years old.

We will go through the same arguments all over again. Building these two aircraft at this time makes no military sense.

The other problem is UAV’s, as seen in the recent crash of the F-22 the aircraft can perform beyond human endurance, that would strongly say that the F-22 is at the end of evolution for manned fighter aircraft.

The Next stop is the UAV which is running ahead of the R&D curve the X-45 has gone into production of full size flying prototypes and the X-47 already has full size air frames and are starting carrier qualifications and certification this coming week. The Navy announced some time ago that they expect that the majority of their carrier air groups will be UAV’s by 2020.

The AF is still playing games trying to keep the knights in the cockpit. There latest, is last week when they said that they were going to train 400 UAV crewmen next tear and 200 each year after. The catch is all the UAV pilots were be trained fighter or transport pilots who will do a 2–4 year tours in UAV’s then back to the cockpit. In short for you non military there will be no AF officer career paths in the AF for UAV pilots and crews.

We already own a 187 F-22’s to zero 4th. or 5th. generation fighters for any potential adversary. Our current line fighters can and have bested anything that has been put up against them in the skies since Vietnam. Our existing aircraft has already shown that they can handle all of the existing aircraft you have listed.

Regarding the utility of the F/A-18E/F and it’s ability to protect a carrier battle group, your argument is pure fantasy. When was the last time William C. an armed hostile enemy aircraft breached a US carrier battle groups air defense?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

My friend,your must remember that America will never be defeated from any outside force but it’ll be dereated by our own corrpted politicians who help to destroy our economic world power and that’s what all about it ECONOMY & without strong economy you can’t so anything period .

There are several reason why america wont be challenged for at least the next 50 years:

1) It controls the atlantic & the pacific. Ergo, it controls trade & the international economy. No other navy in the world can stand up the american navy, and the chinese wont be able to for at least another 20 years (and thats only if the americans dont react). The russians are land-locked so all they can do is exert pressure on their neighbours (which they will only do for defensive reasons, i.e. to create a cold-war era buffer between themselves and NATO countries)

Well We are getting what WE elected. A President of quesionable character, narcistic and weak. Barry prefers to “Speak Softly and Carry a Tin Cup”! Canceled Defense Programs, weapons, aircraft, troop limits all while we fight a war make little since even as the Congres Spends all we have and looks to borrow more for questionable socialist programs.

Byron where was the HMS Sheffield sunk ??

It never ceases to amaze me how many ludicrous comments I read on some of these blogs. This article has more than its share of comments by people who base their opinions on what they believe, feel or some other non reality based reasoning. Here is some reality for you. We already spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. Money we have to borrow, to a large extent, from China? The USA is basically broke!

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Our economy is shrinking while China’s is growing and that is not going to change, yet somehow you want us to spend more? No one stays on top for ever and we have had our day in the sun. Deal with it! There are absolutely no facts out there to support the premise that we are going to climb back any time soon! The 21st century will be an Asian and to a smaller extent an European Union Century. I am not an Obama fan but some of the comments about him don’t quite wash either. He is continuing all of Bush’s military policies and just asked for the biggest military budget in history? We are going the way of Briton and we better deal with that situation or we will collapse like the USSR! For those of you who say it is unpatriotic to speak the truth and say anything negative about the US. I say that you are the idiots that have let this situation get to this point in the first place by ignoring reality!

Too right, we need it all, the loss of McDonnell Douglas, Vought, and other companies hurt us but we must recover and get the new equipment we need.

Good Morning War Scientist,

I really can’t find much to disagree with about. Both China and Russia are not competitors military arena with the United States. It’s not that neither wouldn’t like to be, but neither have the means or ability to challenge the United States.

The drive to buy more of these mega military projects like the F-22/F-35 has nothing to do the defense of the United States and everything to do with driving up corporate profits and the preservation of neo-conservative companies the Heritage Foundation that broker/peddle influence.

A NYT article today stated that there are as of last week 158 former Generals/Admirals who have sold their services/influences to the likes of Heritage, Cato, American Enterprise to lobby there former in uniform co-workers to support defense spending project that are represented by the “Think Tank” they are getting a check from. At best this must be viewed as border line criminal activity.

If the United States was “basically broke” why is China and EU investors buying US Treasuries as fast as we issue them at between 3–3.5%. The United States is not broke. Even by the antiquated national income accounting used be the Fed. it is very likely that the “reported GDP” will show a small percentage gain.

On your third point you are correct China is already feeling pressure form it’s half billion peasants to share the wealth that the past 20 years of being an emerging market economy has brought. Both the State Government and the CCP in Beijing are feeling the heat. It is no accident that the PLA has partitioned the country into seven military regions, it is not against an invasion from outside.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

2) It’s still economically ahead of the competition. Yeah yeah financial crisis and all that, i know. Even though there is a small crisis in confidence in the banking system, things are starting to get back to normal, and people are going back to buying iPods, sneakers and buying useless junk from some phonenumber on the television.

3) China will not be able to expand forever. The internal pressures on china are so great that they cannot maintain the kind of economic boom they are having right now in the long run. Eventually the disparity of wealth between the rich coastal areas and the poorer rural areas will cause social unrest and the government will be forced to clamp down and exert more control over its people and trading. Since china is a weird communist/capitalist hybrid it will not be able to function like this in the long run. Estimates have it that china will start to collapse by 2020 and will go through another period of isolation as the government leans back to hard-line communism & totalitarianism. Essentially the chinese will be too busy with their own problems to start sh!t with their neighbours.

“To William C. The United States already has absolute superiority in the aerospace arena. Out F-16D’s, F/A 18’s E/F and F-15 E/F’s the DOMINATE fighter aircraft in the world. Answer how many have been shot down by either Russian or Chinese build aircraft?”

What??? F-16D’s? You mean those training aircraft? There are only 200 F-15E’s and those are strike aircraft. The F/A-18E/F is a bomb truck. You are really delusional Brian. China is really in the process of surpassing us. Go look at sinodefence​.com and educate yourself.

Leave us alone. We’ve had 8 years of war and record deficits who are you to complain. You want my answer? Nuke the ******* iranians and russians, lets get it done, because the consequences of what is going on now is not sustainable. We are not Rome. We are broke you need to face reality like the re3st of us. If there is a job to do, let’s start with an all out war like we have back in what was it, 1945, take our punches and be done. War is not perpetual your warmongers, it begins and it ends.

The biggest problem in america is that order is forced upon you by technology in the form of buzzing sounds that you cannot identify the source of or escape the effects of. At least in rural vietnam there isnt a technocracy managing the level of oxygen you are allowed to get. You see here in America its more important to have order than health. In vietnam they dont have that technocracy and they spend there days learning science and higher math instead of just trying to survive. What America has degenerated into is laughable, and I’m sure the military and the power hungry government owns it.

Good Evening Folks,
To sum up this discussion. Defense spending is kinda like spending on Education. Schools that are doing a good job turn out bright students that go on to college get nothing, schools that are are failing, bad teachers, with drop out rates of 60% or more and more former students end up with mug shots the in a college years book get all the money they can handle and more.

In defense spending you need a bad guy that’s going creep up on you in the night, and cut your throat. You need to make people afraid, the next Pearl Harbor or 9/11 could greet you when you wake up tomorrow. If there is no creditable and identifiable threat as is the situation now, it is the job of the Heritage Foundation and their like to create one even if it’s just smoke and mirrors and that is what they are trying to do with China.

False information and fear is what the Heritage Foundation is selling, not reasonable defense information that policy makers can use. The 158 former flag officers who are taking money from these merchants of fear for peddling their influence to there former co-workers are of the lowest common demoters and are fouling their former uniforms and are betraying the oaths they once took.

To rasher. No I don’t know the exact location of the sinking of the HMS Sheffield, nor do I care, but I’m sure you will tell us. While your at it inform us to how the HMS Atlantic Conveyer was used. I used references to the Falklands War to illustrate a point on ASCM’s, and, as I often do in my postings send a message to those who read us but don’t post, where my information on China comes from.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Part I :

To the poster Byron Skinner:

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You wrote: “The United States is not slipping in defense technology, this is on in the imagination of those who have a political agenda that has nothing to do with the military.”

Then show me (show us) any U.S. American victories since World War Two that justify having a Defense budget the size of half the World’s!

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You wrote: “I have yet to see anyone show any critical technology are the United States is behind either the Chinese or the Russian in.”

If the U.S.A. apparently can’t win against sandal-wearers anywhere between Somalia and Afghanistan, what exactly do they pretend to do against Russia and China, militarily? (Express your answer in full victories, please)

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You wrote: “Then there is the American military personal the ONLY major military in the world that has combat experience, this is has more value then all the vanity toys of the General/Admiral’s put together.”

Neither the U.S. Army nor the U.S. Navy can fight ANY war without the U.S. Airforce. I know no other nation on Earth whose infantrymen are so embarassingly dependent on air support to even survive anywhere like yours!

Doubts? Try to stay for example a single year in Afghanistan or in Iraq WITHOUT air cover, against the Resistance! So much only for your “combat experience”!

who have make that? who was going to china for their profir?
USA have today 10 000 billion $ debt and china 0$ and make benefit
USA have 300 millions citizens , china 1400 millions
chinese have all industry of all type not USA
but one big difference was here, you can’t compare the level of life of one chinese and one american. exept “some” chinese who have make one good stuff (approx the number of all american :300 millions)
USA was not superior of others they have just more money for this moment…

I personally don’t think our power is slipping. I mean who is to judge. Things like that you only find out in actuall war. It’s not like we are at war in moscow or UK. or china. http://​www​.gotlucky​.net gotlucky

Good Afternoon FFB,

Good to see you back around I was getting concerned that you might have fallen in some bout of sanity. Good to see you rants again.

Lets see. I’m the guy who wants to get rid of useless defense spending not increase it, just read William C.

I’m not sure what footwear the al Qaeds/Taliban ware but I do agree with you the are beating us, my question to you how would the F-22 or the F-35 be a game changer in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Historically insurgent Army’s do beat large militaries who refuse to go to total war. The insurgents need and must get support from the locals and the international community. The day the DoD goes to Wall Street and starts closing down Banks and Bond and Stock brokers that are laundering the cash and covering the money transactions to al Qaeda and or the Tailiban will be the day the US is ready to these people seriously and American will stop dying for the monied interest of Wall Street.

I guess you have some information I don’t have FFB, when did the Air Force stop being part of the US Military?

I think Sec. Gates said the AF was not doing their fare share in the wars.

Good to see you back FFB and in form. You make more sense then the Heritage Foundation.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I agree, I don’t understand the argument of other nations not having 5th gen aircraft as a reason for us to not have any. One of the linchpins of our overall military strategy has to have not just air superiority but air supremacy and it’s getting harder and harder to do that as our best planes are getting older and other nations (esp. Russia & China) are rapidly catching up to or in limited cases exceeding our aircraft’s capabilities. The reason we need F-22s (esp. F-22s) and F-35s is to maintain that lead in the air that we’re used to so we can beat the crap out of anybody elses air force. Considering how light our ground based AA capability is since we rely on air supremacy we need the best aircraft we can produce so that for our enemies if it flies it dies.

To the poster Byron Skinner:

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Part I :

You wrote: “I was getting concerned that you might have fallen in some bout of sanity.”

(Shall I quote some of your older, more “introspective”, self-analytical, but perfectly superfluous posts here? Good to know you’re having some fun again.)

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You wrote: “Historically insurgent Army’s do beat large militaries who refuse to go to total war.”

Sometimes they even beat those large armies who actually GO to total war: From the Iberians and early Germanic tribes who never stopped raiding Roman columns, military frontiers and forts, to the British rebels in North America, who separated that colony from the Crown during an all-out war against France, to the Nazis, who never controlled all of Yugoslavia, to the Vietcong, who defeated the U.S. Armed Forces even during the draft, etc. …

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You wrote: “…my question to you how would the F-22 or the F-35 be a game changer in Iraq or Afghanistan?”

Why suddenly so modest, so Infantry-friendly now? You even advocated – and even in THIS very same thread here – :

“…I’m in favor of CV’s, the nest generation of SSN’s, SSGN’s, the DD 51 Destroyer, the AC-27J to name just a few items that i think the DoD should buy.”

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You wrote: “I guess you have some information I don’t have FFB, when did the Air Force stop being part of the US Military?”

The information that I have that you don’t have is that the U.S. Airforce is THE ONLY war-capable branch in the whole U.S. Armed Forces!

Period.

Next paragraph.

Consider the U.S. Army and the U.S. Navy as the U.S. Airforce’s mascots (“white elephants”) in every war, and as the U.S. President’s, the generals’ and the public opinion’s main worries.

That’s because NO MATTER HOW STRONG you’re in the air: Air power alone NEVER won any wars!

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You wrote: “Good to see you back FFB and in form.”

I never lose my shape. “Defense Tech” is losing its, and badly, now that they put Miss Manners in charge, and I’m simply through with that “clowe clown”.

My ideals and my shockingly utilitarian view of posting on U.S. American defense Web-sites go hand in hand!

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Anyway, we’re drifting away from the original line of thinking. You wrote

“The United States is not slipping in defense technology”

and I was basically just asking you whether it doesn’t confuse you that other, much, much smaller, but technologically also advanced nations only need A FRACTION of the same R. & D. money to produce weaponry that is absolutely comparable to its U.S. American counterparts, at least in quality, and sometimes even come up with inventions which the U.S.A., who research everything over and over again, never even dreamt about (stealth-seeing radars and missiles, laser-based broadband communication, super-cavitating torpedoes, etc. etc.) ?

Imagine that you and I each have an electric juicer, capable of filling a glass of juice.
Only that my “primitive” juicer looks like a normal household appliance, while your “futuristic” juicer is as big as an oil refinery.

Get it?

Good Evening FFB,

Part VI. I think I covered this ground in a previous post, I agree that our troops need better boots, better field rations with more calories the the skimpy MRE’s have, they need a better service rifle, they need more ammunition, the need longer rage field radios and a hell of a lot more. It is crininmal that deploying troops have to spend out of pockey money for multi-tools, walkie-talkies, magazines that won’t jam

Good Evening Again FFB,

I guess auto post got excited again. But anyway FFB. I’m in agreement that these items should take priority over F-22’s or F-35’s. If that is what you are saying.

As for you ideas FFB, many are off the wall and some like what you have posted here are quite sensible. What ever, I’ve never though that you should be censored for your style, although sometimes it is on the crude side, or the substance of your ideas.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Our decline is the direct result of Bush’s Strategic policy of “Invite the World/Invade the World/In Hock to the World” as Steve Sailer pointed out on Vdare​.com. The solution to this simple: stop the immigration of illegals, stop family reunification ececpt for immediate family and stop the import of H-1B job thieves and their L-1 relatives. No more Anchor babies.

By doing this we stop the stripmining of America by foreigners, stop th eimportation of poverty and provide tech jobs for American citizens. We would have money to do the real things that are important to the US.

To the poster Mr. Byron Skinner:

Part I :

You wrote: “…I’ve never though that you should be censored for your style…”

Oops, I lament that you were unable to make that distinction between content and form, because the one post (or the one phrase) about Jews using human shields during their offensives, whose removal persuaded me to get out of “Defense Tech”, actually IS based on constant, well-documented (by U.N.O. reports), even recent facts, NOT on “my style” ( = that was N-O-T some “slur” !).

Problem: What happened to all the other, deliberately execrable posts over there?

Since 2004, ~ more or less after Fallujah, I became a bit wary of the increasingly mainstream style of most posts (not articles). No random population sample writes so “mainstream”“like “Defense Tech” ‘s posters do now, give and take a (“quota”) “Zandor”, not even some super-technical, no-nonsense Web-sites about Medicine, Engineering and Finance, etc. .

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It’s like if you walked through the streets of a strange city or country, and see only young or only rich or only beautiful or only red-haired people in it. It’s IMPOSSIBLE , or something unmentionable did happen there.

Love trolls or hate them (us, me), but we have acute senses for such subtleties: When all fringe posts ( = all uninformed, radical, unrelated, deviant, disruptive, incomplete, uncorrected, etc. posts) suddenly vanish from a Web-site with an allegedly “totally public, automatized” discussion forum, something’s foul.

Then Christian Lowe admitted that he now censors all “spam”, and even confessed that he contacts individual posters privately to mind-police them for their thought-crimes.

I’m not even asking for the right to post with outrageously low language, but its general presence IS an indicator of 1000 % genuine freedom of speech in any forum to me.

So, when the company started to degrade too much for me, and since I’m not in a mood to be Christian Lowe’s poodle, I simply followed my favourite advertising motto, Johnnie Walker’s “Keep walking!”

Good Evening FFB,

I’m not sure what you said other then you are upset at Christian Lowe, so what.

Although I myself would rather engage in civil discourse then rants and profanity I really could care less how the other side choses to express the views.

On disagreeing with you content, well that what all this is about, if we all agreed there would be no reason to post.

So have a happy Thanksgiving FFB, I have no doubt that we will hate at each other soon.

ALLON,
Byron Skinner

To the poster Mr. Byron Skinner:

You wrote: “…happy Thanksgiving FFB, I have no doubt that we will hate at each other soon.”

But of course! Or do you think that you’re BETTER than the rest of us?

Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

I think you better take another look at your fidures,the USA is falling inevery respect/

You know we owe China tons of money and we are still brrowing more?

Thats because Russia or china aren‘t fighting us, And I don‘t think the Iran‘s are up to our standards.

Don‘t bet on it

That‘s why when you go to the store it is hard to find anything thats not from china, they are winning the war and haven‘t even fired a shot.

I absolutely Agree Bill. Thanks to the Obama Administration and house democrats and senate.. Will have to wait three more years to get a house republican and senate back in service.. And Republican administration.. The only thing the obama administration is working and worried about is free socialized medicine in honor of an inmoral senator Ted Kennedy and wasting trillions of dollars on unrealistic stimulus packages. they have not created jobs.. they say, but worsened the situation at 10,5 percent unemployment.. they call it change yes 10,5 percent unemployment and no jobs created.. maybe a few mcdonalds jobs.. you need a resume to get one of those.. anyways Happy thanksgiving and god bless our troops around the world//

If we slip from power who would fight aids in Africa and buy Hanukkah baskets for the poor concentration camp victims?

As was said many years ago:In order to keep the peace,we must preserve the implements of war.We would be wise not to forget this.

The super rise in defense costs are directly proportional to the amount of work now being performed by private industries. Our nation cannot foot the bill to add folks to the list of the Rich and Famous while maintaining an elite and superior military force. Our numbers of military and civilian government employees have decreased yet the cost for DoD have skyrocketed disproportionally due to the shift of institutional knowledge from the government to the private sector. One way of getting more “bang for the buck” would be to nationalize the defense industry and institute the draft. If we are going to hold the edge over our foreign counterparts, we are going to have to regain control over the defense business from Lockheed, Boeing, Northop, etc… Of couse this won’t happen…afterall, our defense industry contributes to the overall national GDP no matter who they sell weapons technology to…and the business of America is business…right?

China has a B-2 stealth bomber in development which some say is better than ours. The aircraft looks very much like U.S. B-2 but has larger payload and stealth missiles in internal weapon bays. Additionally, China is working on F-22 and F-35 type stealth fighters which does not include a Russian/Chinese fifth-generation fighter in development. It would seem China has learned from past and present developments in the Middle East and doesn’t plan being dictated to on what it can and cannot do.

How did we get here, Paul and all otrers like you? Quit throwing blame on one party. All that think like you are sad! What would you do? Stand up speak like a man ! Say something constructive! Leave Obama and Bush out of your comment!

Of course China is surpassing us. We gave China all our jobs and then all our money, and now, we don’t have any money, especially for “vanity” weapons systems-very well put!!!!
Just because we can build it, doesn’t mean that we ought to. The DoD has a legacy and culture of fiscal mismangement and running blank checks up the flagpole while whining about what one life is worth and how we’re all going to die if congress doesn’t sign off. Maybe, recession is good-we’ll have to clean house and rethink the Cold WAr strategy-because when you lead in technical deelopment, you’re paying for a lot of expensive R&D, that just shows China how to make the second generation cheaper, better, more effective, if, of course, the whole didn’t turn otu to be a lemon, to begin with, which China will also note.

Of course the US is losing it’s global military standing relative to China and other international players. Our military power has always been predicated on a vibrant, world class industrial and technological base. The base from which these amazing weapons systems are born is in decline, and has been for 15 years. It is also clear that since WWII we have subsidized the defense requirements of Japan, Germany, Korea, Great Britain, etc.….…et al. In so doing, the US taxpayer payed for the very qualitative technology and infrastructure capacity improvements in those countries civilian sectors that are now kicking our collective butts. Add in the two Bush /Cheney (the “Chicken-hawk brothers”) forever wars.….…sapping our military services of critical talent and treasure just at the moment in history that we need them most; and guess what.….….we are screwed. Thanks George and Dick.….…..you two idiots recreated the decade of the 1970’s in spades. The US is in decline.….…and we all know it.

The parellel between the US and Russia in Afgahnistan gets scarier by the day.

Good Morning Folks,

To Mr. Jackson. China make a B-2 knock off? Since China has a spotted record in large airframes, see their attempts at building bombers the B-5’s and B-6’s and no experience in graphite composite airframes or in building high performance jet engines, they import all there engines from Russia, France or the United States, such a project seem at this time beyond any ability the Chines have other the imaginations of the American neo-cons.

You indicate that China is working on a fifth generation fighter like the American F-22 and F-35 (not considered a fifth generation fighter by the way) again the only fighter that seems to be in some developmental stage if the J-12xxs of which two prototypes are sitting on Hainan Island. From open source information the J-12xxs is most likely a reversed engineering attempt at producing the Mig-29, hardy a fifth generation fighter aircraft.

The promotion of these close to impossible feats of military industrial capacity by China, not even neo-con “think tanks” can breath any life back into Russia’s being the boogieman, seems on to feed on the American right wing who is captivated by defense in general, even though few of them ever had the guts to serve their country in uniform, and our own defense industry that has for 65 years feed of large useless often never used defense projects.

I think it is timely to remember that 9/11 came form a threat none of these neo-com “think tanks” had on their radar, although interestingly the public sector intelligence agencies, who the neo-cons had been critical of for yeas, were screaming out to watch out for al Qaeda. In retrospect we now see that this warning never registered with the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Bush administration who wanted form the start to invade and take over Iraq and still wanted to fight the Cold War.

I’m sure that forces both international and domestic that have similar ambitions as al Qaeda had/has against the US and have taken note of this.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

There is little incentive for America’s helicopter industry.

Way too much money went into the Osprey, so concepts like the Russian KA-50, single mast, opposing rotor design got short shift in favor of a vanity weapon that probably isn’t worth what it took to develop in money, and certainly in Marines!
Unqualified bad judgement-Russia and Isreal are teaming on s second generation before we’ve even looked a the first, and it offeres more “bang for the buck” than the Osprey.

Additionally, aerospace is a dirty industry, environmentally, industrial hygiene, safety-high performane alloys and coatings are required that will never be “environmentally friendly”. The “green products” just don’t work like methylene chloride paint strippers and hexavalent conversion coatings. Commercial overhaul facilities are relocating overseas just to escape the EPA, and, coincidenatly, the FAA as well.
Not bad, eh? If you don’t maind a few more air crashes.

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JUST NOTE: The EU has its’ own world economic and political setup. Soon it will have its’ own EU Armed Forces. At this point it is more realistic to worry about the EU NOT China or India or Russia for that matter. If Germany becomes the Supreme leader then WW3 is in the wind for sure. The UN will fold into the EU somehow if it has already not begun to do so as its current politics and policies seem to indicate.
Be at peace love God and your neighbor — the soldier down the block could be your best ally.

so the already lost war is coming?

(In case you didn’t understand my sense of humour: I meant that in the APPRECIATIVE , not in the depreciating, sense)

It hasn’t arrived yet, but you already unleashed it long ago. Consider this the first global consensus. Something tells me that you’ll need all the ammunition you can get your hands on.

Charles.. Happy thanksgiving.. Our country is paying a heavy price now for an obaman administration.. god bless this country.. although, the tide is turning in some states like Virginia and New Jersey.. workers and small business owners stand by for this years christmas present andprice tag in the new year from the dems and obama administration.. for the first stimulus package and a possible second stimulus package which did no change..but added to the deficit.

We are walking in the same footsteps that Soviet Union did … the only difference is the goal! CCCR was trying to beat only the USA .…we seem to be going against the whole world! I think it is time to realize that like all the other powers we will fade away sooner or later! We need to concentrate more on getting our house in order instead of trying to fight everyone that moves in the other direction. It is time to let the dream go and grow up!!!!!

Good Evening FFB,

As I know you understand there is a paradox going here with neo-con. wingers. With Russian communism collapsed and the Communist Party in the EU is a shadow of it glory days in the 1970’s they really don’t know what to do.

Being free traders they have to trade with Communist China and North Vietnam and want desperately to start trading with Cuba, all Communists countries the lat I looked. By trade of course we are providing profits that China and Vietnam can use to develop technology and build a military/industrial structure. This of course seen as a threat.

A good example is on Afghanistan where a Chines organized company has won the bid over US companies in open competition to develop Afghanistan vast copper deposits, it’s worth tens of billion of dollars/Euros. Of course the American bidders are crying corruption and the Chinese didn’t play fair and after all it’s the Americans who have paid the cost of the war so American companies should like in Iraq have Carte Blanche to exploit the country.

The Capitalist, Democratic Economic System, that is championed by the American neo-cons. is a bad joke. It’s nothing more the naked dollar imperialism. There is not capitalism, and there is no democracy. This is what President Obama must take down. The American military is bleeding to make money for the to big to fail Wall Street companies.

To pay down the debt theat Wall Street has put on the American people we should take a page out of Eisenhower’s book and move the max tax up to 70%, and get rid of most of the tax credits and income deductions Wall Street gets.

In 2004 John Kerry.s wife had to show her 02 tax statement, not surprisingly her unearned income was in the tens of millions of dollars, her percentage of tax was 11%, but she was entitled to a tax adjustment which brought the percentage down to about 5%. Meanwhile a factory worker without the lavish tax credits that Ms. Heinz-Kerry enjoyed was paying an average tax of 17–20% of gross income.

This is how China is dealing with the United States.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

To explain this title ’ U.S. Power Slipping’, what the analyst statement is that U.S Power is Shifting simply for
security reasons, experts all know who’s slipping. Now investing in more modern advancements of ground forces, maritime forces, air forces would require fundings for scientific development & researching. Preferably with the military personal in the vast majority, and civilian in the minority, working side by side at Northern Continental, and Nato Allies partners educational facilities. No further comment.

Unless there is a change within America from a liberal giveaway nation to a once proud, working, and what can I do for America mentality… we are destined to become a has been power. Remember… culture, borders is important as we can not keep giving away our economy and technology for the sake of profits. And we cant keep bringing in the worlds unskilled workforce legally or otherwise as this is a drain on our healthcare, treasury and legal law enforcement agencies.

Our schools suck…unions and broken family values are to blame.

Many americans will vote for a guy based on…I wiil give free government checks …not, I will cut taxes and create jobs… no one cares if the money is chinese or printed.. the free money is what its all about. And we have to bring protection to americas workers… you want to move overseas and take the work with you…than you will pay a 20 percent tarrif to sell it here…How simple is that…We are the consumers and we have the leverage.

two thirds of our trade deficit with China is from non-Chinese multi-national corporations that simply produce out of China because it’s a much lower cost structure. Also, the goods are generally lower tech than what is coming out of America. America has retained the high-end of the value-added chain such as R&D and tech-intensive and skill intensive industries. Our trade with China actually allows America to focus more on those high end industries, generally speaking. China’s rise also is scaring it’s neighbors who will be pressured to seek America to counter-balance China’s regional dominance. This will lead to even greater exports of American arms and alliances and treaties that involve America even more than it is now.

Stop picking on us poor Joos. Havent we zuffered enuff? Oy vey!

The Unites States has a president whose actions abroad and at home clearly show that he has a world view centered around HIS the concept that a weaker US means a better world. He is driving our country in that direction. He may have been educated in the US but his upbringing abroad and studies literally at the feet of socialists, communicsts, and world-firsters are clearly reflected in his manner of doing business and lolicies. We are in gnificant danger of losing not only our economic and political stature in the world, but our relative security as well.

It is a cultue shock, and leading Universities tend to developed the factory system. Again United States officals have sent 800 Million dollars worth of the new currency to China. There is a new currency expected for the Union, how is this going to fix economy, why the Former President Bush, also his administration are not changing bed pans for disabled veterans. It’s the ordinary people that got screwed, while the more wealthier class was smart enough to bail out on there country, there is an issue with History that it tends to repeat it self.

To the poster Mr. Byron Skinner:

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Part I :

You wrote: “Being free traders they (the Neos) have to trade with Communist China and North Vietnam and want desperately to start trading with Cuba, all Communists countries the lat I looked.”

Since Cuba and Vietnam are small, have small and poor populations ( = a small market for anything) and don’t have many natural riches either, business with them will always be peanuts, except maybe for a few services revolving around the hospitality industry.

(Continued)

Part II :

But shall I reveal to you how to EASILY find B-O-T-H

1) a new 1,3-billion-clients-market OTHER than China, and of 1,3 billion C-L-I-E-N-T-S ( = IMPORTERS of your products), not of suppliers, which would be like a second life for your external trade (im)balance

and SIMULTANEOUSLY

2) cheap oil = PURE OXYGEN for the fossile, fossile-fuel-dependent U.S. American industry, which
a) can’t compete with the European, Japanese and Chinese steel, naval, car, household appliances, electrical and other industries anymore, as well as having a noose around its creditors’ necks too
b) hasn’t weaned itself off fossile fuels yet

?

(Continued)

Part III :

It’s easy: Drop “Israel”.

Being blind, deaf and insensitive to its imminent and WELL-DESERVED fate suffices.
The rest is mechanics, a temporary reenactment of Ancient-style “wild victory celebrations” and maybe a bit of nuclear physics too.

The U.S.A. will INSTANTLY win the hearts and minds of 1,3 billion Muslims everywhere and even be world-wide respected again for its new, reasonable and fair stances!
Since all the West’s aggressions against the Muslim world sooner or later have “Israel / is” hidden at their core, all our problems with the poor Muslim “terrorists” will be forgotten and forgiven in an instant, and the arbitrarily set oil prices (as a direct result of America’s support of “Israel” during the almost won Yom Kippur War) may even drop below their pre-1973 levels again!

Share your nuclear technology with Iran, Syria and Lebanon, and these three countries will let you build them up exclusively like you weren’t even able to do with Saudi Arabia!

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Part IV :

Is it really SOOO hard for you U.S. Americans to see that you have several elephants squeezed in your door-ways, especially when your very economy and Capitalist system groans for air?!

Or will you really resist such a fail-safe solution, only to be “forever” remembered for your unwavering defense of your “sky-high principles” ?

You only apply them selectively anyway, to individuals and whole countries, although after you’re gone, the rest of us won’t ever consider those absurd “human rights” either!

Quoting “Tuco” from the movie “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” : “Look, Blondie: It’s gold!!! It’s all ours!!!”

I’m just talking about a shit-load of money here…!

(Continued)

Part IV :

Is it really SOOO hard for you U.S. Americans to see that you have several elephants squeezed in your door-ways, especially when your very economy and Capitalist system groans for air?!

Or will you really resist such a fail-safe solution, only to be “forever” remembered for your unwavering defense of your “noblest principles” ?

You only apply them selectively anyway, to individuals and whole countries, although after you’re gone, the rest of us won’t ever consider those absurd “human rights” either!

Quoting “Tuco” from the movie “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” : “Look, Blondie: It’s gold!!! It’s all ours!!!”

I’m just talking about a shit-load of money here…!

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I enjoy reading responses to a concern that many knew about 20 years ago. China works on a 50+ year plan and we operate president to president. In effect we have no plan and stick to it.
The issue is much more that military capability. It includes a concept called intellectual capital which the US has been in continious decline for 20 years. It includes education particually PK-12 where the US is now 27th among the developed and developing nations.
As a nation we no longer have the #1 universities and colleges that issue PhD’s in the hard sciences. All are outside of the US and have been since 2000. This didn’t happen over night — it took decades.

Part V :

You wrote: “In 2004 John Kerry.s wife had to show her 02 tax statement, not surprisingly her unearned income was in the tens of millions of dollars, her percentage of tax was 11%, but she was entitled to a tax adjustment which brought the percentage down to about 5%. Meanwhile a factory worker without the lavish tax credits that Ms. Heinz-Kerry enjoyed was paying an average tax of 17–20% of gross income.”

Why don’t you simply take a look at the broad picture:

In the U.S.A.,

1) the wealthiest 1 % of families owns roughly 34,3 % of the nation’s net worth,

2) the top 10 % of families owns over 71 %,

and

3) the bottom 40 % of the population owns way less than 1 % .

http://​www​.faculty​.fairfield​.edu/​f​a​c​u​l​t​y​/​h​o​d​g​s​on/…

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Part VII :

I’m not trying to kill this conversation, just saying that apparently the solution to THIS particular problem is really totally internal, and doesn’t concern or affect ANY other people on Earth. That’s why social systems also never compete against each other, anywhere. But I’m afraid that nobody can help you there, to find the best solution for you.

However, you can always study the societies, social systems and wealth distribution models of other civilized nations (Switzerland, Denmark, France, Canada, Singapore, etc.) to seek some inspiration… No foreigner is hindering you, and certainly not “China” !

Apparently, it’s the majority of you U.S. Americans yourselves who aren’t really sure if you want a fairer wealth distribution, although 40 % of you officially own nothing (just stating a fact) …

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Part VIII :

(By the way: How did you manage to post such a relatively long commentary without having to cut it into thin, transparent slices, like I always have to do?? Are you sure you’re just a “regular poster”, “one of us”…?!)

Good Morning Joe,

You seem to forget that the last liberal President was Nixon, Ford( really not their long enough to make a difference), Carter (an idiot), Reagan, who gave away American sovereignty for one world open markets and gave the key of American to China), Bush 41 (another idiot and promoter of more trade with China), Clinton (the best Republican since Reagan), Bush 43 (an idiot son of an idiot) all got us to where we are today. None are/were even remotely liberals.

It’s the liberals who want protective tariffs in order for aging industries to modernize, the neo-cons. who have held American highest office sine 1976 have all be promoting other places in the world to pick up the slack and American jobs. It is the liberals now who are promoting Green Industries and new jobs, it is Liberals who are supporting synfuels to replace imported oil (Wall Street is addicted to the cash from oil that they squeeze out of the American consumer).

Joe don’t blame the Liberals for the mess we are in today and the rapid economic growth of China, they weren’t in charge when we gave America away. To the neo-cons America is not to big to fail, only banks, speculators, brokers and the other Wall Street Pyrates are.

A year ago it was the liberal economists who said let AIG, Goldman, Citi go down it was Sec. Paulson and the fool Bush who put trillion tax payers dollars on the table and said these to big to fail would save the economy. Guess who took all the life boats?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Part IV :

Is it really SOOO hard for you U.S. Americans to see that you have several elephants squeezed in your door-ways, especially when your very economy and Capitalist system groans for air?!

Or will you really resist such a fail-safe solution, only to be “forever” remembered for your unwavering defense of your “sky-high principles” ?

You only apply them selectively anyway, to individuals and whole countries, although after you’re gone, the rest of us won’t ever consider those absurd “human rights” either!

Quoting “Tuco” from the movie “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” : “Look, Blondie: It’s gold!!! It’s all ours!!!”

I’m just talking about a shit-load of money here…!

(Continued)

wow, Where have you been the past 11 months. You obviously haven’t been paying any attention to what Obama is doing to this country INCLUDING degrading the Military. “No mobs of unemployed”. Perhaps not, but what do you call a 10% unemployment rate. Wake up…Don’t know where your getting your “facts” but you best look elsewhere.

Part VI :

Now comes the part that – once again – leaves me most thunderstruck with you U.S. Americans: DESPITE that above statistic, just 30 % of Republicans say there should be a more even distribution of money and wealth, compared to 60 % of independents and an overwhelming majority of 84 % of Democrats.

But altogether, only 41 % (!) of all U.S. Americans are redistributionists ( = who say that money and wealth should be more evenly distributed, and that the government should do so with heavy taxes on the rich) :

http://​www​.gallup​.com/​p​o​l​l​/​1​1​1​6​5​5​/​A​m​e​r​i​c​a​n​s​-​S​p​lit…

On another note: How many U.S. Americans would want such perfect social networks like the Scandinavians have, if they had to contribute to them with ~ 40 % — 60 % of taxes…?

(Continued)

Byron, I will admit Reagan made some mistakes be did not hand away American sovereignty and when it came to the state of our military, well he really gave us much of what we are still using today. You also ignore how Clinton increased trade with China and even aided them with the transfer of some technology. You can blame the president who started a course of action (Nixon with China or FDR with social security) for the problems we face today but you must consider that presidents since those men have had an opportunity to change that course we were set on.

Back when we tried protective tariffs they didn’t work because our auto industries still failed to produce a better car, largely due to this nightmare of unionized industry we have created. “Neo-conservatives” as you say have not controlled America’s highest office since 1976. Obama is a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, he is just not liberal enough for the far left, Carter was quite liberal, and Clinton was in some aspects. Hell, it was Clinton and co. who largely gave us this “neo-liberal” policy of trying to slash the military.

Green industries and jobs don’t mean crap if we base them all around this fraud of global warming and idiotic carbon taxes. They must be based around reducing oil usage, energy prices, and so forth, not this CO2 nonsense. These industries must also be able to stand on their own sooner or later. And I know many conservatives who do support initiates like hydrogen fuel, nuclear power, solar, hybrid-electric, and so forth.

Byron it is the liberals who helped to start this mess and continue us down this path. As much as blame Bush is used for everything all of this “feel good” liberal crap of selling houses to people who couldn’t buy them led to deregulation due to the Republicans liking the idea from the money aspect as well. And despite some liberals who wanted AIG and so fort to mail we bailed them out anyway, and we are still bailing them out, and now we have billions of wasted dollars in an idiotic stimulus package that is worthless!

Good Evening William C.,

The military is not a counties sovereignty but is there to defend that it. As far as the myth of Reagan building the military, he spent a lot of money on cheap, mostly poorly designed and build systems and platforms. To mane some the Spruance Destroyers, Ticonderoga Class Cruisers, Los Angeles Class submarines, missile defense, York ADA system, star wars are among the may systems that have not lived up to expectations.

Historically Tariffs do work in the short run, and that is what was required in the 1980’s to protect aging American infrastructure and basic metals and manufacturing industries. They needed a breathing spell to refurbish and to rebuild but the Reagan era Wall Street saw an opportunity to import “cheap” foreign goods at a higher return then to reinvest in US industry. This is where the 7 million lost US jobs went, none of this can be lated on liberals, they were out of the picture in the 1980’s.

I’ll let science determine if global warming is real or not and what it will mean. The Neo-con’s have yet to make a goo argument in rebuttal to science, an believe it or not the are some sound arguments to doubt the effect of global warming but the neo-con, birther-wingers lack the intellectual fire power to make them. In short they are to dumb.

Green industries especially in energy make sense. Wind power is showing that it can produce energy at a profit, synthetic fuels (from algae and Hydrogen) can be produced for about $50.00 a barrel, ready to use vs. $70–80 a barrel crude which must be refined, new replacement product for plastics that is made from renewable materials that we have in the United States is already replacing plastic.

It was not liberal banker who crested the short term mortgages, carbon credits, trashed our schools, unions didn’t sen jobs overseas. Sorry Williams it was all on the conservatives watch.

By the way what’s wrong with Social Security? It seems to working pretty well and if those making over a $106,000.00 a year paid their fair share it would work even better.

A question Wlliam C., why do Conservatives hate the American people?

Sorry William this mess is not from the liberal side of the argument but the conservatives that have held the Presidency and Congress most of the time since the mid 1970’s and promoted the flawed economic theory of corrupt Capitalism combined with a single party “democratic” form of Government that has thrown Americans out of work, has wrecked our domestic industries and have sold off America for short term profits.

To FFB the REpublicians believs strongly in the redistribution of wealth, from the working/middle classes to themseves.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

” Hell, it was Clinton and co. who largely gave us this “neo-liberal” policy of trying to slash the military.“
@ William C.
Actually it was the Bush 41 administration that started reducing military capacity. After the Soviet Empire ceased to exist, then President Bush signed into law, BRAC which as you undoubtedly know was intended to realign/reset the military to the current threats of the day that excluded the non-existant threat that recently dissolved. The waste and abuse in Pentagon funding is as bad from one administration to the next. Activating and refitting 4 mothballed battleships 4 ten years at the cost of billions is a prime example. And giving credit to one president for systems we have today is nonsense. B-52’s and KC-135’s came from the 50’s and ’60’s as do more than a few naval ships. Space shuttle was first flown in the early ’80’s but designed and built in the 70’s. That has no relevency. The equipment you refer was built for a different type of war in a different part of the world.

All I had to read is the word “Krepinevich” to see that this was going to be just another silly, worthless whining article. The inside-the-beltway crowd has to manufacture crises. CSBA is the worst of them all. First you get the entire crew and passengers on the ship to run to starboard. The ship is now listing to starboard. Then you “fix” the problem by getting everyone to run to port. Which way is the ship listing now ? As long as you have no sense of priorities as to what you want to do in the world, the green eyeshade people rule. We would really like to have freedom, democracy and human rights in Iraq and Afghanistan, as long as the United States doesn’t have to pay for it. So what other parts of our strategic base are dispensible ? What aren’t we willing to give up if the price is too high ? All the smart-ass people who post to this board have no answer to this question, because they’re all too busy grinding their pet axes against the Pentagon, the defense industry, the hated neoconservatives, the list of scapegoats is endless. Meanwhile the Chinese — who really are serious and rational people, are just doing their thing. Got a problem with that ?

Bill R.

Ticonderoga class was in part left-over from the previous administration and really was just continued instead of building a whole new ship. The Spruance destroyers were pretty average but did their job, the Los Angeles class was a fine submarine design hat still forms most of our current submarine fleet. Missile defense is actually producing some results today and like it or not some of the developments in the field of laser and energy weapons have their origins in that over-reaching program. The Sgt. York DIVADS was a total cluster**** on the Army’s end. Yet Reagan also provided much of the funding for Abrams and Bradley production, both of which are still service as the backbone of our armored forces, the B-1B Lancer which has served well despite the negative press, and other systems.

Oh no there were liberals in the 1980s, they just weren’t the crazy kind obessed with cutting defense and wasting it all on poorly though out social programs. Reagan’s free trade had nothing to do with weakening US industry, in fact ideally it would have led to improved quality. Yet you cannot blame him for the missteps taken by some in the auto industry for example. The recession in the 1980s was rough but we pulled out of it, with a stronger military force than ever, a broken Soviet Union, and an economy on the right track in many ways. I know Reagan is right behind Bush on the liberal “never does anything right” official opinion, so I don’t think we are going to come to an agreement here.

Did you read nothing about all of that leaked email and scams, this idea that “global warming” is man made is looking increasingly thin. Whine about the “birthers” as you call them and non-descriptive “neo-cons” but half the liberals buying into the Al Gore’s whole scheme also lack intellectual firepower. And green industry doesn’t make sensed if it is based around the whole CO2 = doom nonsense which also kills plenty of developments that can also make increased use of fossil fuels we do have access to, and nuclear power, well you liberals clearly don’t like that sort of “green” energy. Social Security and most of this mandatory spending nonsense are bloated and on a course for disaster BTW.

If that is the case Byron S. than why do Liberals hate the American people? Your argument just stinks of hypocrisy.

The conservatives have not been solely in charged since the 1970s and liberal politicians like my home state’s Chris Dodd have no troubles with corrupt capitalism either. In response to the mistakes George Bush made you liberals are obsessed with falling flat on your asses backwards doing the exact opposite and making things worse. George Bush deregulated, you want to over-regulate now. America was too confrontational in the past? Now your kissing everybody’s ass, bowing down to people, and the world still hates us. Really the major exception is how Bush ran up the deficit, and you are running it up even faster. And when it comes to paying for all of these social projects like “public option” healthcare I am sure you are going to try and smash the defense “piggybank.”

Your correct, Bush 41 really did start it all but ever since Clinton “cashing in” on defense has become one of their party’s goals.

Those four Iowa class battleships were actually a very wise investment for the fire-support they gave all the way up until the Gulf War. The cost to modernize all four of them was LESS than one OHP class frigate. B-52s and KC-135s are quite old and there is no excuse for not getting replacements online for them soon. The Space Shuttle, Abrams MBT, and many other programs began in the the 1970s but all comes to nothing if a program is canceled even late in development. It was the matter of continuing these programs that was very important.

As for different equipment for today, we do need some different equipment for sure, but there is still a need for gear designed to fight “conventional enemies.” And a tank designed to fight the Soviet hordes still does a fine job of blasting insurgents to hell.

One of my favorite China watchers, Zachary Karabell, of the New American Foundation, says current estimates project that the aggregate Chinese economy will surpass that of the U.S. by 2020. That will provide China tremendous purchasing power (the U.S. economy is roughly $14 trillion in size), on top of that it already has, relative to declining purchasing power in the West. In the recent global financial meltdown, he says, China came out on top; it has all the money and doesn’t have any debt. The Chinese feel like they’ve won.
It is important to note that China holds the mortgage on our GNP by means of financial loans to our government. They own our government and have the cloat of influence because of such holdings. Thus, the overitures of dominance. The coy manipulations of the future will slide to China’s social graces.
Be warned because not all countries are overtaken by force.

I feel, base on the topic, that our government has jeopardized our national security by our politicians own greed of the capitalist own philosophy. Our own Corporations are selling secrets, with the support of bought politicians with their team of lobbyist, for financial gain. Corporations are being alowed to outsource our work force to places like China and India while trillions of dollars are being made and using tax payers money to pay the benefits of unemployment in the U.S.A. How sweet the profits are for our politicians and Corporations( National and International) to make all that money and not spend a single cent on our own systems economy. This is how our enemies are taking advantange of our system. It is not Warfare, people, it’s welfare. Our enemies are making and causing us to bleed internally not externally . We are being sold out by our own greedy politicians because they know that they are the ones responsible for our security measures. How can criminals be trusted with justice and laws for punishment of their own actions? Our Politicians deregulations of 60 years of past bills that have passed and now that there are no effective structure laws to monitor the system.

Why did our government use tax payers money to bail the Auto industry out when they could have made the Oil industry bail out their own brothers with the ten years of profits in their accounting books? Nobody is asking. Why? Why are we still in Afganistan this past 8 years when we know by history that the former Soviet Union was bankrupt by their own occupation of the same country that we are in? Why is there no major News network asking this questions over and over when young American lifes are being lost. Why are we still giving Israel $80 billion dollars annually when they are creating tensions in the environment that we are trying to take care from attacking us and using our own system? Why are prices and taxes going up when people are out of Work and our economy is in a down fall? Corporations are still being allowed to outsource our jobs that we need here to China and India.

William:

America has “GIVEN” itself AWAY to COMMUNIST RED CHINA in a hand basket.What ELSE can we expect? They even have U.S Military technology and secrets that “WE” cannot acess.China remains an unavowed ENEMY Nation to “US” yet good ole fashioned American GREED by American Tycoons—and their “BOUGHT” and ” PAID” for Politicians in DC. have brought this on.

Part I :

To the poster “Blitzgreek” :

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You wrote: “Why are we still in Afganistan this past 8 years when we know by history that the former Soviet Union was bankrupt by their own occupation of the same country that we are in?”

Genial synthesis!

Although: WHO outside the U.S.A. EVER expected a different outcome of this Afghanistan War, quite honestly…? Any famous (non-Anglo) diplomats or top-ranking Military who want to put their reputation on the line, in front of the cameras?

Maybe non-U.S. American governments just respect their publics’ opinions… including everybody’s dark suspicions about what really happened on 11 / 9 !
The day THAT Truth hits the surface, on that day U.S. American World dominance is OFFICIALLY AND POSITIVELY TERMINATED !!!

And this is just THE BEST that can happen to you, believe me!

(Continued)

Part II :

You wrote: “Why is there no major News network asking this questions over and over when young American lifes are being lost.”

But that requires a free press…

For example one that doesn’t sit on the N.S.A. wiretapping scandal for years, until after the election.

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You wrote: “Why are we still giving Israel $80 billion dollars annually when they are creating tensions in the environment that we are trying to take care from attacking us and using our own system?”

Want instant World Peace?

Find a Final Solution for the Jew problem.

Or: Never meddle again when some Muslims found it. It’s the Middle East’s way…

Good Afternoon Veteran US Army,

Also for the idiot FFB.

You are right, America and the corrupt defense corporations like Boeing have sold Americas crown jewels to the Chinese and countries like Israel who does about $6 billion a year in defense technology transfers.

Here is a little story for ya. Of course you won’t here this from the tanks who support Israeli spies in the United States. China use to have an AWACS, the technology about $5 billion worth plus manpower came from Israel and Israel did build China’s AWASC using a lot of technology the US has transfered to Israel to support the US built AWACS that the Israeli AF flies.

China builds the AWACS on an Il-76 an air frame and shows it off as like a proud new father. Then, I guess some near sighted pilot with only a few flying hours in an Il-76 flies the AWACS into a mountain with 40 on board, all of China’s engineers and technicians who worked on the AWACS along with at least one Israeli engineer.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Part I :

To the poster “Gordon of Khartoum” :

You wrote: “The parallel between the US and Russia in Afgahnistan gets scarier by the day.”

Well, the Soviet Union collapsed because its military spending cut too deep into the living standard and into the remainder of the technological progress.

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

Dwight D. Eisenhower”

And who might these hungry ones be, whom I’m thinking about right now? “What continent do they live on?!”

(Continued)

Part II :

“Almost 15 percent of US households are ‘food insecure’.
Last year, nearly 17 million children, or 22,5 per cent, lived in households in which food at times was scarce – 4 million children more than the year before.
And the number of youngsters who sometimes went hungry rose from nearly 700.000 to almost 1,1 million.
’This is unthinkable. It’s like we are living in a Third World country’, said Vicki Escarra, president of Feeding America, the largest organisation representing food banks and other emergency food sources.”

Etc. in:

http://​www​.metafilter​.com/​t​a​g​s​/​h​u​n​ger

(Continued)

Part III :

A breakfast or child menu at IKEA (scrambled eggs, bacon, and home fries) costs only 99 ( € ) cents here in Europe.

Military budget of the People’s Republic of China: 70,3 billion $.
Military budget of Russia: 50 billion $.

Military budget of the United States: 518,3 billion $.

(All budgets for 2009.)

In 2008, the United States spent more than the next 45 highest spending countries in the world combined, and accounted for 48 % of the world’s total military spending.

And the problem is not only one of QUANTITY of food, but also one of QUALITY of food: Although the U.S.A. have the fattest poor people in the world, this is not a contradiction or paradox: Their poor eat poorly too. They don’t get fat on good food.

WILL A COUNTRY THAT MAKES NOTHING IS NOTHING . WHY DO WE AND OUR GOVERNMENT IGNORE THE FACT THAT OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE HAS BEEN GIVEN AWAY TO CHINA WHY!!! WHY DOES CHINA MAKE EVERYTHING AND WE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD DO NOTHING. WHO GAVE A COMMUNIST NATION CARTE-BLANCE TO DO AS THEY PLEASE EVERYWHERE !! HOW DID OUR LAME GOVERNMENT PERMIT THE CLOSINGS OF OUR INDUSTRIES AND GIVE THEM TO CHINA.I THINK MANY HAVE COMMITTED TREASON IN THE NAME OF THE DOLLAR . I SAY TO MR.OBAMA. YOU WANT THE RECESSION TO END !!QUIT CATERING TO THESE CHINESE AND BRING OUR INDUSTRIES HOME !! LET THE DOLLARS STAY HERE NOT OVERSEAS. AMERICA IS ONLY AS GREAT AS IT,S ABILITY TO BE A SOVEREIGN NATION AND NOT PLAY SECOND TO ANY COMMU-CAPITALIST COUNTRY THAT HAS NO WORKERS RIGHTS HAS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR ANY HUMAN RIGHTS WAKE UP AMERICA. AND MR . OBAMA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE1111

Good Evening FFB,

Your starting to scare me FFB. All of you statements make sense. I guess that same IKEA kids breakfast on this side of the pond would be $1.95. My little one will be 28 next week so I haven’t seen a kids menu for decades.

Think about this FFB the PRC owns about a $ trillion in Bush era US Treasury Notes at 3–3.5% return or $30-$35 billion a year, what’s that 60–70% of the PRC’s defense budget that the American Tax Payers are paying. The Bush family, the gift that keeps on giving to China.

You are of course correct on the US’s Defense Budget, what’s more when the US has to rebuild it’s ground forces after the Bush Wars are over the Defense Budgets will top a $ trillion a year and the future Defense Budgets are not going to drop back.

The American people are lucky that the GDP# of $14 trillion is a bull sh** number, a more correct GDP# would be about $22.3 trillion. So currently we are spending about 2.5% on Defense. Using the economists rule of seventy two in estimating US economic growth based on the estimation of 3–3.5 GDP growth the American economy should double in 20.5–24 years. Or in two to two and a half decades the US GDP will exceed the Net Value of the World as it is today.

If as many of us expect that Green Industry including Hydrogen and bio synfuels, energy makes up anywhere from 17–25% of the US Economy, can be produced below the cost of crude the doubling of the US’s GDP will happen a lot sooner.

China in the mean time is locked into an industrial economy that has no place to go but down. Already they are being underbid and out produced by India who has invested more it it economy and has a better educated work force and can produce better quality goods cheaper. China still has the huge problem of a half billion peasants who are dedicated Maoists and are living in some of the industrialized world worst poverty.

At some point this mass is going to look up from the stoop work of agricultural slavery and see there brothers and sister driving by in Mercedes Benz and come to a Janus Joplin conclusion. This is the CCP’s worst nightmare.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Manny,

I totally agree with your honest input and integrity! thank you for your honor, courage and commitment toward american values along with family values.. I.m afraid the obaman administration has completely sold america out. change yes! sold us out completely.. How he was elected I don’t know.. ACORN maybe? he is a socialist, marxist in disguise as some of our celebrities put it.. welfare and all handouts for the vote.. america at this moment is alert and wakening up under a sleeping giant.. beer summits our a joke.. he initiated all of it to make it happen.. I don’t understand how the american people could vote such : especially being involved with reverend wright for 20 years„ will keep the dtails out, but other issues as well.. his wife only after 45 years proud of this country.. and Colin Powell supporting Obama„ I admired Powell once a upon a time.. but he has let many folks down.. enough said.. our country will get stronger after Obama administration.. I have faith! and believe in God almighty!

Check out CAFR’s– as in U.S. Comprehensive Annual Finacial Reports– $60 trill in unfunded madates and $60 trill in up-front funds. The “broken” econonmy is poltical subterfuge. The biggest lie/best game in town. If we only look at the “budget” we are missing the liquid assets — abolish the FED~!~! — ask T.Jefferson.

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Good Afternoon FFB,

I feel great FFB. Nothing like a little weekend barroom brawling to get the week started. I love kicking “conservative” six. Who knows maybe some hiding liberals will start to come out and post, now that they have seen that “conservative bullies” are just bull sh**.

What recession, I was one of those who didn’t pay attention to the experts. I earned my money and kept it safe and secure and I’m enjoying the good life now, after I finish this post, me thinks I will go down to the beach, it’s sunny today low 70’s, I’m sure there will at least be a few joggers to watch go by, have a couple of fish tacos and a couple of beers. To old and fat to surf anymore.

Although I respect your sister, I disagree with her but give her my best. Like her one of my college degrees is in Economics.

Have a great day FFB.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

These so called “experts” and plain dumb! It the European stupid. Germany hascreated the 4th
Reich while the US has been asleep at the wheel. The European Union is the power house
and Germany is the top guy. Hitler predicted this in the late 30s. He would be laughing if he
were alive.

Byron Bryon, your state of delusion is just laughable. You think you are kicking conservative “six?” All you’ve been doing is shouting “RACISM!!!” when things get out of hand? If that is a liberal kicking ass no wonder why you guys are willing to let Iran do whatever they hell they want? You liberals are nothing if you can’t spam posts in superior numbers.

So please continue with your statement on how we should cut major defense projects or else we are racist. Careful or us EVIL conservatives led by a Lockheed/Boeing conspiracy to take over the government might kidnap you!

Correction there are 414 people in the world that have 1/2 of America’s currency.

Thanks to mainly carter-reagan-the bushes-clinton and now obama. They all have completely incompetent myopic plans for both the economy and the military. It was mainly Nixon though, that go the ball rolling in the first place to be far. We need to go back to the pre-1971 American school of economics not this Chicago school friedmanite nonsense.

this entire thread short of a few posts reads like a fox news koolaid party.. lmfao .

Toucdwohn! That’s a really cool way of putting it!

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