Comments on: Northrop Threatens To Drop Tanker Bid http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:21:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: barryhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17839 barry Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:04:12 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17839 I guess using the Boeing logic.....Europeans should only buy Air Bus......Boeing might want to be careful considering the size of the market they have in Europe.... I guess using the Boeing logic.….Europeans should only buy Air Bus.…..Boeing might want to be careful considering the size of the market they have in Europe.…

]]> By: Mackhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17609 Mack Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:22:36 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17609 So then on the product support side of the house....the Air Force must carry spare parts for two types of planes. So then on the product support side of the house.…the Air Force must carry spare parts for two types of planes.

]]> By: Mackhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17612 Mack Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:19:43 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17612 While It's true that the NG version was originally chosen, you have to go back to the original RFP rules to see how Boeing was duped. Boeing actiually told the Airforce that they could deliver a tanker that could carry more fuel than the RFP was calling for and the Air Force said they did not want it. So when the airforce chose the NG model based on the fact that it could carry more fuel than the Boeing model, it showed an unfair playing field. While It’s true that the NG version was originally chosen, you have to go back to the original RFP rules to see how Boeing was duped. Boeing actiually told the Airforce that they could deliver a tanker that could carry more fuel than the RFP was calling for and the Air Force said they did not want it. So when the airforce chose the NG model based on the fact that it could carry more fuel than the Boeing model, it showed an unfair playing field.

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17399 oldest391 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:42:40 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17399 WRONG, The tanker version for the United States Air Force is still a paper aircraft. The tankers they built for Japan and Itality is not approved by the FAA for Production in the US. These tankers are no where near the tanker that Boeing was going to offer to the Air Force. They wanted to use a 767-200 Airframe then add -300 and -400 parts to it to make their tanker. This would require a lot of engineering just to get all these dash numbers to fit, thus increasing COST WRONG, The tanker version for the United States Air Force is still a paper aircraft. The tankers they built for Japan and Itality is not approved by the FAA for Production in the US. These tankers are no where near the tanker that Boeing was going to offer to the Air Force. They wanted to use a 767–200 Airframe then add –300 and –400 parts to it to make their tanker. This would require a lot of engineering just to get all these dash numbers to fit, thus increasing COST

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17398 oldest391 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:38:24 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17398 You also seem to forget that the majority of this airframe is built over seas. oNly reason why is it not assemblied overseas is that Boeing Unions would not allow it. Remember part of that 700 Billion trade imbalance is contributed by Boeing You also seem to forget that the majority of this airframe is built over seas. oNly reason why is it not assemblied overseas is that Boeing Unions would not allow it. Remember part of that 700 Billion trade imbalance is contributed by Boeing

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17391 oldest391 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:50:34 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17391 All were delivered LATE All were delivered LATE

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17392 oldest391 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:50:08 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17392 Gee I repeated my self Gee I repeated my self

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17393 oldest391 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:49:32 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17393 Dick the KC767 you are referring to for Japan and Italy is not the tanker, repeat and read it slow, It is not the tanker that Boeing was going to submitt for the American KC proposal. Their KC tanker is different from the other tanker because they were going to use parts from the 767-200, -300 and -400 to build their Frankentanker. They have built at least 4 I think so far 2 to Japan and 2 to Iltaly both were several years LATE. Dick the KC767 you are referring to for Japan and Italy is not the tanker, repeat and read it slow, It is not the tanker that Boeing was going to submitt for the American KC proposal. Their KC tanker is different from the other tanker because they were going to use parts from the 767–200, –300 and –400 to build their Frankentanker. They have built at least 4 I think so far 2 to Japan and 2 to Iltaly both were several years LATE.

]]> By: Chrishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17205 Chris Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:27:36 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17205 There really needs to be a "stupid" button intead of a "thumbs up" or "thumbs Down" button next to a comment.....Now I know why so many people are unemployed in this country There really needs to be a “stupid” button intead of a “thumbs up” or “thumbs Down” button next to a comment.….Now I know why so many people are unemployed in this country

]]> By: Alanhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17186 Alan Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:09:02 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17186 Just how stupid would one have to be to hand over strategic infrastructure committments to France during a period of greater than 10% unemployment? Just how stupid would one have to be to hand over strategic infrastructure committments to France during a period of greater than 10% unemployment?

]]> By: pennst98http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17177 pennst98 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:34:43 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17177 Yea, but by your cicular logic we'd never find out if anyone else had the quality because they'd never get a chance to build a plane because they don't have a plane that's 50 years old. Yea, but by your cicular logic we’d never find out if anyone else had the quality because they’d never get a chance to build a plane because they don’t have a plane that’s 50 years old.

]]> By: Robertro2http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17175 Robertro2 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:27:40 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17175 NORTHROP/GRUMMAN TO GET OUT GOOD,IT IS A WASTE OF THERE TIME AND MONEY....THEY HAVE A PLANE THAT IS ALREADY FLYING AND DOING THE JOB......THERE ARE MORE THEN THIS GOVT.TO SELL IT TO...... NORTHROP/GRUMMAN TO GET OUT GOOD,IT IS A WASTE OF THERE TIME AND MONEY.…THEY HAVE A PLANE THAT IS ALREADY FLYING AND DOING THE JOB.…..THERE ARE MORE THEN THIS GOVT.TO SELL IT TO.…..

]]> By: oldest391http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17163 oldest391 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:03:23 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17163 You also seem to forget they were delivered LATE to Italy/Japan and is not the same tanker they will be using for the KC proposal You also seem to forget they were delivered LATE to Italy/Japan and is not the same tanker they will be using for the KC proposal

]]> By: daveck2http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17146 daveck2 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:35 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17146 They are both Quality products. If 50 years of performance from Boeing is not enough proof that we are getting the best product what is? How many Airbus tankers from the 60's are still flying? How many commercial Airbus planes from the 50's and 60's are still flying? So basically, we have no proof that an Airbus product will last more than a couple of decades, whereas, we DO know a Boeing product can last more than a half century i.e. B-53, KC-136. They are both Quality products. If 50 years of performance from Boeing is not enough proof that we are getting the best product what is? How many Airbus tankers from the 60’s are still flying? How many commercial Airbus planes from the 50’s and 60’s are still flying? So basically, we have no proof that an Airbus product will last more than a couple of decades, whereas, we DO know a Boeing product can last more than a half century i.e. B-53, KC-136.

]]> By: BS_Busterhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17127 BS_Buster Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:48:31 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17127 The fine engineers that WERE once Boeing have long since been replaced by a group of Federal Welfare Program people who would rather chance jail time then earn a contract with a decent product. Oh, did I say "chance jail time", Darlene and her Boeing cohorts did time for Boinginating the original tanker fiasco, which is why our troops remain without a new tanker today. Today's Non-Ethics Word: Boinginate Pronunciation: Bo-ing-i-nate Function: Verb Etymology: North Western US & Boeing/Aeronovali/JADC Consortium Date: 2008 Transitive verb : to habitually lie, cheat, bribe or steal if you really, really want to win The fine engineers that WERE once Boeing have long since been replaced by a group of Federal Welfare Program people who would rather chance jail time then earn a contract with a decent product. Oh, did I say “chance jail time”, Darlene and her Boeing cohorts did time for Boinginating the original tanker fiasco, which is why our troops remain without a new tanker today.

Today’s Non-Ethics Word: Boinginate
Pronunciation: Bo-ing-i-nate
Function: Verb
Etymology: North Western US & Boeing/Aeronovali/JADC Consortium
Date: 2008
Transitive verb
: to habitually lie, cheat, bribe or steal if you really, really want to win

]]> By: Robert Thttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17121 Robert T Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:27:41 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17121 The 767 tanker version is already flying and has a great track record. I wonder why Italy, Japan and Austrailia all bought Boeing. Say isn't Italy in airbus country. The one thing i'd love is the Air Force buying 787 tankers they could handle virtually any airport and I think the new airframe will be flying long after the current tube with wings retires. There is one thing the Air Force will tell you about Boeing, they sure give you your money's worth. These tankers might be flying in 2060 so you better get it right.. The 767 tanker version is already flying and has a great track record. I wonder why Italy, Japan and Austrailia all bought Boeing. Say isn’t Italy in airbus country. The one thing i’d love is the Air Force buying 787 tankers they could handle virtually any airport and I think the new airframe will be flying long after the current tube with wings retires. There is one thing the Air Force will tell you about Boeing, they sure give you your money’s worth. These tankers might be flying in 2060 so you better get it right..

]]> By: Robert T.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17120 Robert T. Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:25:49 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17120 Come, come, lets play nice. did anyone see the tape of the NG exec being told that they won the bid (by a guy with a champane glass), his jaw dropped a mile. Lets remember Boeing is the world leader in tanker desigh ahd construction, they put the first booms on B-29's. The French booted us off our bases on there soil in the 60"s. If France got another hair up #$%^)((*& and decided to stop airbus delivering the A/C to NG we would be up that famous creek. Don't forget that airbus got a toehold in the worldwide A/C business by getting Billions from the european governments and selling their planes below cost, and you think Boeing is getting WELFARE? Come, come, lets play nice. did anyone see the tape of the NG exec being told that they won the bid (by a guy with a champane glass), his jaw dropped a mile. Lets remember Boeing is the world leader in tanker desigh ahd construction, they put the first booms on B-29’s. The French booted us off our bases on there soil in the 60“s. If France got another hair up #$%^)((*& and decided to stop airbus delivering the A/C to NG we would be up that famous creek. Don’t forget that airbus got a toehold in the worldwide A/C business by getting Billions from the european governments and selling their planes below cost, and you think Boeing is getting WELFARE?

]]> By: Shaggyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17108 Shaggy Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:41:31 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17108 Chris, the UK, Germany and France are #2, 3 & 4 on the list of countries with the most troops in Afghanistan. Boeing's partners on the 767 (Italy and Japan) are #6 on the list and Japan has none there. Oh and Spain has 1000 troops there and they aren't pulling out. China works on the A320 not the A330. Your 2 cents isn't worth much when it is so uninformed. Chris, the UK, Germany and France are #2, 3 & 4 on the list of countries with the most troops in Afghanistan. Boeing’s partners on the 767 (Italy and Japan) are #6 on the list and Japan has none there. Oh and Spain has 1000 troops there and they aren’t pulling out. China works on the A320 not the A330. Your 2 cents isn’t worth much when it is so uninformed.

]]> By: Keithhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17085 Keith Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:12:11 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17085 Northrop already has TWO working tankers and a boom that have been tested over 250 trials. Boeing (crybabies)have nothing built and their boom is a piece of paper. The last proposal Boeing lost and then filed a protest that they ultimately lost which only served to cost the taxpayers millions of dollars and put our warfighters at risk using a 50 year old system. The truth is that the Northrop Grumman entry will be assembled in the US and will create an equivalent number of jobs to Boeing's proposal. Northrop already has TWO working tankers and a boom that have been tested over 250 trials. Boeing (crybabies)have nothing built and their boom is a piece of paper. The last proposal Boeing lost and then filed a protest that they ultimately lost which only served to cost the taxpayers millions of dollars and put our warfighters at risk using a 50 year old system. The truth is that the Northrop Grumman entry will be assembled in the US and will create an equivalent number of jobs to Boeing’s proposal.

]]> By: Chrishttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/12/01/northrop-threatens-to-drop-tanker-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-17101 Chris Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:04:47 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=11684#comment-17101 France, Germany, China, Spain and the UK are the countries who make the Airbus.. How many of these countries are in the war on terror. Why should the USA support countries who will not Partake excluding spain who gave up cuz they got scared and the UK who is still there. So my 2 cents is hands down give the contract to Boeing France, Germany, China, Spain and the UK are the countries who make the Airbus.. How many of these countries are in the war on terror. Why should the USA support countries who will not Partake excluding spain who gave up cuz they got scared and the UK who is still there. So my 2 cents is hands down give the contract to Boeing

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