Boeing Tests IED Blasting Laser

Boeing Tests IED Blasting Laser

Some defense thinkers believe directed energy weapons, lasers, hold out real battlefield promise, particularly against future enemies armed with large numbers of relatively cheap precision guided weapons. For example, the folks at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington say lasers provide a potential solution to the so called G-RAMM (guided rockets, artillery, mortars and missiles) problem. Using missiles to shoot down incoming rounds can get very costly and a counter G-RAMM arsenal can be rapidly depleted; lasers solve the finite counter-munition arsenal problem.

Granted, directed energy weapons are not ready for prime time, although they are getting closer. Boeing has been developing a laser system mounted on the Avenger vehicle, an air defense version of the ubiquitous Humvee; in stock form, the Avenger comes with Stinger missiles and a .50 cal machine gun. In tests over the last couple of years, the Laser Avenger has shot down a couple of small aerial drones.

In September, Boeing says Laser Avenger destroyed 50 IEDs in tests sponsored by the Joint IED Defeat Organization (JIEDDO) at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. The IEDs included large-caliber artillery munitions and smaller bomblets and mortar rounds, according to Boeing, and the laser fired at the rounds from different ranges and angles.


I asked Boeing spokesperson Marc Selinger how it works. The targeted munitions are destroyed by heating, resulting in a low-yield detonation, he said. The targeted round doesn’t detonate with its full force, instead it “pops” or “fizzles” out, rendering it safe. I asked him how long it takes for the laser beam to destroy its target. Depending on the target munition type, seconds or single-digit minutes, he said. Also, and importantly, the laser provides a near limitless arsenal.

Now here is why this is potentially a really big deal. IEDs are far and away the biggest killer of U.S. troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. For anybody who has spent time on patrol in either locale, they know how incredibly time consuming it can be every time a suspected IED is spotted. Standard procedure is to back off to a safe distance and call in the Explosive Ordinance Disposal team. Problem is, there aren’t enough EOD teams to accompany all patrols; their skills are truly at a premium.

It can take four or five hours or more for the EOD team to arrive. Then, once they get on site, they send up the little robot to sniff around, rig a charge and detonate the suspicious package. The whole process can take hours longer.

IEDs are not only very lethal, but the mere threat of IEDs really curtails the pace of operations. In that regard, IEDs are very much like the minefields of old, they act as an obstacle. Even if the location of a minefield was known, as many were during World War II, somebody still had to go through the laborious process of clearing a breach to allow vehicles and troops to safely move through.

If a vehicle on patrol came equipped with a laser that could be fired from a safe distance at suspected IEDs to render them inert or destroy them, that could dramatically speed operations and take some pressure off the EOD teams. Since the enemy often uses IEDs to compel a patrol to stop in a “kill zone” and then springs an ambush, mobility can be a real life saver.

Clearly the laser would work better in some environments than others. It would be more applicable on the streets of say Baghdad, where IEDs are often laid on the pavement hidden by trash. On Afghanistan’s rural roads IEDs are buried deep where a laser couldn’t penetrate. Still, as the IED is here to stay as a weapon in the arsenal of the asymmetric warrior, and the U.S. military will operate in heavily urbanized areas in the future, an IED neutralizing laser could be very useful.

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Why don’t you just use an M-82?

Yeah.. A high tech solution to a simple problem. No wonder the US is loosing the war,

Pete the laser avenger wasn’t built to destroy IEDs, it just happens to be one of the things it is able to do. You are clearly out of place on a defense blog with comments like that.

Pete, is it a simple problem? I mean if you have a solution I’m sure anyone who’s died would have appreciated hearing it.

IED are not a simple problem. They are responsible for significant amounts of loss of life and deny us a degree of freedom of movement. They are not easy to detect and as it currently stands can hold up operations while disposal specialists arrive.

A system, such as this laser, allows for a less specialized soldier to opperate and eliminate the IED in a more timely fashion. There is less risk to operator and bystanders. The idea is to allow for IED disposal in a “heavily urban” environment, no doubt with heavy concern for the safety of civillians and soldiers alike, using high explosives to take out high explosives is high risk to everyone. A laser is less risk. There is a premium cost for that, in the form of technology.

If you want you can sign up as a designater IED-rock-thrower, where you stand 10 feet away from the ied and throw rocks at it until it explodes. It’s a really exciting job, plus you get to keep as many of your rocks as you like. In fact, you actually get paid in rocks if i remember correctly.

Looking at this device on an Avenger Class Humvee Vehicle, reminds us to consider this an additional capability for what has been basically anti aircraft vehicle. If the laser works on IEDs, consider its effectivity on UAVs or piloted vehicles in a combat situation. The question I have on this demostration is that it seemed to use a separate generator that was deployed away from the Humvee. (see the other publicity photo)

In Nov, 2004, the deadliest month of the Iraq war, during Ramadan, I rolled out of Mosul in an unarmored convoy w/a unit that’d been in country 2 weeks and never outside the wire. A torrential rain the night before grounded all the blackhawks so I climbed in a HET and rolled out. I scanned every inch of that road. I stared straight at the spot where the IED was buried. It was perfect. It then killed 2/wounded 2, destroyed 3 trucks directly behind me leaving me stranded in the kill zone in charge of soldiers I’d never even met due to my seniority. There is no one solution, no easy solution. Anyone can build a better mouse trap. Or, for that matter, a stealthier IED.…

Wouldn’t you know? Armchair warriors and their pithy insults. I for one am happy they are looking at everything to try and keep our troops safe.

If the laser can be used as a detonator/trigger, this could eliminate the need for wire and maybe make the implanted IED more difficult to detect.

I agree with Jeff. I’m sure we all know that IED is a general term and there is no single answer to taking them out. There are a plethora of uses for laser technology. IEDs are only one, albeit terrible threat to our troops. Laser R&D is what appears to be the next major technological advance to protect our and others freedom. My hope is that Obama doesn’t realize that it can be used as a weapon for Real Americans and cancel development.

My understanding is that locating the burried IED is the greater problem! Small unit ground penatrating SONAR units are being looked at that will give our commbatents a great enough margin of safety to locate such devices before the radial explosive ambush can be sprung.

Plain stupid if you ask me ‚for now not a single tactical laser weapon is even close to usefoul, it takes forever to burn trough someting that a high calibre round would do in fractions of a second,while consuming enough energy to power a small town and costing more than a tomahawk per target.That ATL gunship war the worst of all flying around in circles trying to peel paint off a parked truck hood ‚while .50 or 20mm would blow the engine aprat without much fuss. That is the bigest problem of US forces that they throm money at the probem an think it will just go away. I have to say that i have more respect for Taliban every day as all they have to do is to drag this on and US forces will break the bank.Russian must be lafing their asses off right now and rightly so as US made these taliban what they are now.

How effective would a sheet of mylar (potato chip bag) be in defeating a laser aimed at an IED? For that matter, how about 1 inch of sand/dirt/gravel ??

Industrial lasers have been cutting through steel and metals for years now. We can certainly develop a laser for the Avenger that can burn through a bag of potato chips. You have to start somewhere.

The easiest way to counter IEDs is to not get into these stupid situations in the first place, but maybe that’s so obvious that it shouldn’t be said. There’s no excuse for OEF and OIF being so poorly planned and under-resourced.

Now that we’re in it, fund the tech if it works to help the troops do their job. If that means putting other expensive projects on the back burner, too bad.

Combining the use of the unmanned aerial system and in-flight refueling [IFR] will greatly increase this nations ability to counter the IED. No one technology will work with this low cost weapon that is now used so efficiently against our troops in harms way. When we put troops outside the wire a UAS should have been in the air days before surveying the bad lands. 24/7 UAS coverage using IFR is just around the corner I know I have been working the problem to allow for IFR below 120 knots for class III and IV unmanned aerial systems.

you dont know what your talking about

where did you learn how to spell?

I am an EOD tech that has used lasers against IED’s and while they can be effective in certain limited situations they will never replace a trained tech.

If this thing doesn’t make “pew pew” noises while you’re firing it, then consider it worthless to all EOD Techs worldwide.

well Mike you can only carry so much of it, where as the laser it just runs off the battery, to bad this wasn’t like video games where you have like a code for unlimited ammo

I think the real test will be when it is actually placed in the feild and we have some significant data to look at…there have been many weapons in the past that have been scoffed hat that later on turned out to be the turn of the war. i.e. PT boats were considered of no real vaule until WWII; Richard Goddard the father of liquid fuel rockets was laughed at bynthe the U.S. War Dept. because they believed the rocket had not practicle military value; Lt Col Billy Mitchell lost his career for going up aginst the U.S. Army for stating that Air Power would one day be more superior than ground forces…

Time will tell if this thing has value…so until then..STFU AH!

Frank Citizen

I think the the more devices we use against these hidden bombs the better. Look if it just fizzles the IED without an earth shattering explosion the lesser chance of injuries from mach 10 flying debris. I’m not there and I don’t want to be an armchair warrior but leave it up to the operators of this weapon to make it work. The troops are doing a helluva job. I hope one day this shit will come to a close.

Are you a genuine serving EOD guy? I would love to speak to you if you have the time. Lanc50@hotmail.com is my e-mail. I have a proposal that I want to submit to JIEDDO, it would be good to get your opinion.

regards

If this is a battery powered IED BLASTER LASER, how about a solar powered IED BLASTER LASER next time and maybe add more blast like that of Star Wars movie.

hum all these high price toys to knock out ied’s that are easy to make and only takes one person to place and need i say cheap to make… no wander they kicked to sovets ass and probly will ours before it is over with or at least they will strave us all to death…keep’em coming boys while the bank takes my home and my children are getting hungray…how much does one of these things cost? more than some vx or even one nuke ? now there are two good ideals on winning two wars..

Guys you are all missing the point about this weapon. You are all going on about ied’s and the cost implications thereof. This weapon is actually quite brilliant. Remember this weapon will get better and cheaper and more powerful with every new generation. The Wright brother’s first flight was only a few feet. now planes fly around the world as if it is nothing. Keep watching this this will be awesome​.In the end it will be money well spent.

Shoot, I saw a guy on UTube shooting a laser toy made out of a toy phaser that turned out NOT to be a toy. The blue laser he used could burn through almost anything and he was using it to pop balloons just to show how easy it was to aim and destroy his targets.

Needless to say this tech IS cheaper now, and pretty dangerous. I’m more afraid of these lasers than a hand grenade or a should fired rocket! They could definitely blow your eyeball out a 200 meters! Maybe more!

Lazer serial numbers and lazer control…“You Can Have My Lazer When You Pry It From My Cold Dead Hands!” Wonder if the Second Amendment covers that?

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