Oshkosh FMTV Bid ‘Unbelievable’

Oshkosh FMTV Bid ‘Unbelievable’

For those who haven’t been following closely the Army’s problematic effort to buy a new truck: the Army awarded the $3 billion Family of Medium Trucks (FMTV) contract to Oshkosh in August. The competition’s losers, BAE and Navistar, promptly filed a protest. Last week, the Government Accountability Office released its report that said the competition was flawed.

On Friday, we featured comments from Oshkosh VP Andy Hove who said GAO found only a very minor and easily correctable flaw in the process and that the report did not call into question his company’s ability to deliver a new FMTV with a price tag that is $400 million less than that of competitor BAE.

This morning, BAE held a conference call with reporters to provide their evaluation of the GAO evaluation. BAE believes that GAO’s findings called the whole FMTV award into question and that the Army, and senior leadership from the Office of the Secretary of Defense, should step in and redo the competition, that according to Dennis Morris, president of BAE’s Global Tactical Systems. He called Oshkosh’s price quote “unbelievable,” and said that it’s actually less than BAE’s costs to build. Oshkosh’s business strategy is to get the contract now with a low bid and then make profits on sure to follow truck modifications and improvements down the road, he said.


It should be noted that GAO did not say Oshkosh’s price was unreasonable. The mistakes in the competition came in a pretty specific sub-factor that went into deciding whether Oshkosh had the capability to build the FMTV. The government auditors major sticking point was that the Army incorrectly said Oshkosh had all the needed tooling and equipment to build the trucks. They don’t, which Oshkosh acknowledges, and says they can easily procure.

Oshkosh claims that because they build more component pars in house that they were able to come up with a lower price. BAE says that’s baloney, because all of the truck builders get at least some of their components from outside and they know full well the costs of those parts. “The advantage volume costs Oshkosh quotes are not there, because we know the suppliers are quoting us all the same prices,” said BAE VP Chris Chambers. “There are several significant sized components that go onto different variants of the vehicles, where we have worked with supply chains for many years, where we know categorically that [Oshkosh’s] pricing going in is a large percentage under the current market price.”

“We’ve been doing this for 17 years… and if we truly believed that significant savings could come about because of in sourcing, it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that we would have followed that approach ourselves,” said BAE’s Al Crews.

In response to a reporter’s assertion that if Oshkosh wants to build at a loss, that’s the company’s issue, and is not the responsibility of the Army, Crews said the taxpayer could be left bailing out an insolvent Oshkosh if their loss-now, profit-later business strategy doesn’t pan out. “If Oshkosh is building these vehicles at a loss… the government is going to have to bail out Oshkosh in order to have these trucks to continue to be produced if they provided the government an unrealistically low price.”

Also, since the FMTV will now be built by two different firms, the Army is going to get hit with a larger support and sustainment bill than if it stuck with a single supplier, said Chambers. “This is not a commodity, it is not a truck, it’s a tactical wheeled vehicle, with a complex requirement for its armor and protection and mobility… Why therefore is it being treated in a simplistic way?”

The Army has 60 days from December 14 to act on the GAO’s recommendations and report its findings. Stay tuned, as this one looks like it’s far from over.

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Good Morning Folks,

It looks like Oshkosh, low balled the bid. Good for them. Only losers cry.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I am surprised that anyone would be surprised by BAE’s comments, let alone the GAO’s decision. They have consistently approached the Army’s, and then the GAO’s findings in the same vein of shock and dismay as a labor union whose wages must be decremented to ensure their industry’s survival because the demand for their product, albeit inferior to the competition; no longer exists. What was really said in this decision to ultimately award the contract to Oshkosh (future tense), is that the days of easy profits are over; and that the DoD is not in the business of awarding contracts just to create jobs or sustain communities.

I say that Oshkosh builds a FMTV truck first, finds the true cost, and then quotes it. Afterall, it is easier to build trucks on paper than in reality. As a matter of fact, I can build all does trucks under Oshkosh’s bid proposal for half the price according to my lunch napkin proposal. Maybe I should get the bid.

.Oshkosh has been awarded many contracts with the US Military services over many years and has always produced a reliable vehicle and has produced those vehicles on time and at the stated price. Look at the MATV award. Oshkosh produced the more MATV each month then was the requirement and they had never produced this vehicle before except for there test vehicles they submitted for evaluation. I say the better company won and because they lost, they are crying foul.

to: Joe M,
When the Army allows a company to build a vehicle that is not up to their own specifications, our troops will pay the consequences. The LTAS CAB Spec states to use galvinzed steel, Oshkosh does not have the expertise nor the capability to perform to this spec. Why was Oshkosh allowed a wavier to this important specification. The bids are not apples to apples. Your last statement is untrue; Obama is in that bussiness. He is feeding his political machine at our expense using our tax dollars. Remember the 35 million in stimulus money given to Oshkosh to keep them out of bankruptcy. Oshkosh is all ready asking for 150 million more to build it’s own ecoat facility? This is history in the making. My tax dollars used to eliminate my job.

You get what you pay for. You would think our troops live’s would be worth more than a Oshe’s slick willy.

Sounds like the Boeing model for crying when you lose is infecting all large contracts now. Soon, we’ll never be able to buy anything because everyone will file a protest when they lose. So much for keeping the interests of the war fighter first.

This country faces a new and dangerous foe, along with the rogue’s and terrorists we already face, and that is a rapidly rising national debt. It is shameful that our government would award a contract to a company that feels they gain competitive advantage by low balling the cost of thier product at the expense of our men and women serving. War is not a game–lives are at stake, and there should be no price tag placed on those lives. The government should award the company whose product provides the BEST protection and security for our men and women–after all, aren’t they giving us their best by putting their lives in harms way??!! Oshkosh is part of that growing debt–as they are one of the recipients of bail out funds–and if their product falls short–American’s will be left to bail them out again–in dollars and lives. Wake up America–this is not a game, it’s life and we need to make better choices!!

Reality Check and Raps — If BAE was so concerned about the security of our country and the lives of our troops, they wouldn’t be dicking around on their MRAP program. BAE’s management is not too concerned about getting parts to theater for battle damaged MRAPs. You wake up Reality Check. All Government contracts are the same. It’s all about profit.

Someone needs to ask why BAE built about 6,000 FMTV that the Government cannot accept which delay getting the vehicles fielded.

BAE Man: The GAO had no issue with the alernate cab design and found in favor of the Army’s evaluation in this area. The use of non-galvanized steel was actually an improvement in the welds.

OSK is very familiar with FMTVs They tore down a number of them in 2002 and rebuilt them.

BAE took so long in developing the LTAS Cab and armour that the Rebuy Competition was delayed nearly 2 years.

Oshkosh VS BAE
Galvanized steel may not work out as well as some steel alloys. Any break or scratch in the coating really reduces or eliminates any benefit. Other surface treatments are available that work very well.
There are also issues with the EPA to consider. A lot of older design military equipment used various coatings that are considered hazardous, and at least in theory, require all sorts of “special procedures and permissions” to maintain them on a military base.

If Oshkosh can produce a quality product at a lower cost, I’m all for them! BAE’s overhead is too high!

How long has Oshkosh been building trucks ? About a Hundred years. How long was BAE/ Stewart & Stevenson
building trucks before they had that contract spoon fed to them? Never. It’s called competition. If Oshkosh wants to lose money for five years, let them. That is how business is done. Drive your competitors into the ground.
Hire all their old employees. Win over all their old suppliers. Even remove their legacy and reputation.
Stewart & Stevenson had numerous mechanical problems with rust, drive lines, delivery times, you name it.
But that kind of thing is not important, is it? BAE= same as General Electric. Bank of England.

BAE is crying because anothe contractor used the same tactic they used in other bids (thermal sensors for example). Time to stop crying BAE.

XXXXX,
MRAP delyaed LTAS, last minute design changes delayed LTAS. As for welds, sure it is an improvemment if your lousy at welding galvenized steel. As for OSHKOSH rebuilding FMTV’s 2002, anyone can overhaul a vehicle, building one form the ground up, having the required tooling, support equipment and talent in place is a different story. Oshkosh built trucks advertised reliability is not even half as good as BAE FMTV.

If Al Crews is so concerned about ultimate cost to the government by awarding the contract to Oshkosh, then let go of this fight. How much is the GAO spending to justify a decision on a fair bid process? It’s just like in the medical field (where I work): if a patient is not happy with the outcome of a medical procedure performed by a skilled, certified provider (despite being advised in advance of the risk/benefit) then he/she will sue a doctor. How much does that doctor, or his/her insurance company, have to spend defending a suit? No wonder healthcare is so pricey in this country; seems the same applies here. “I’m not happy losing; let’s sue”. Get over it, move on, find new contracts and let Oshkosh do the job it was awarded to do.

You crybabies act like Oshkosh never built a military vehicle before. If the specs called for a Space Vehicle, I could understand your fears. But, an armored earthbuggy is not too much of a stretch to have some faith in. Let’s hope Congress doesn’t spend all of our tax dollars funding the bottomless pit of socialism, first.

Crying about a low-ball bid is SOP for an incumbent, but that’s exactly what a challenger must do to win. Setting economic and manufacturing issues aside, a British-owned company operating in Texas shouldn’t be surprised they lost the business.

BAE never meets monthly production schedules as promised. BAE only want to sell vehicles, its never about a quality product for the troops. BAE never has completed a vehicle 100 percent, its always “Condtional Accpetance”, we will fix this and that later. And they usually miss the update fix deadline as promised. BAE has many vehicles incomplete that can not be delivered to theater because they are not complete. Vendor quality is poor at best. Numerous defective parts delivered, many rejected because BAE has no quality checks in they procument system. Defective parts are installed on vehicles alot. They use subsitute parts to build MRAP vehicles to keep the production line flowing, then run up rework hours when they finally get parts in. The more parts BAE is short on the production line the more overtime they work. BAE has material problems, because they only get parts the last week or two of the month, then they rush vehicles through production line to meet monthly goals. Result, alot of defects. Example: wrong washers, bolts, loose bolts and nuts, foriegn objects found inside the vehicle, engine serpentine belts installed wrong. Maybe its time for BAE to wake-up because BAE is only treading water in shark infested world.

Thats the problem with these big contractors, they can’t accept being underbidded, they think they are entitled because of their size. Oshkosh can deliver the same product for 400 million less than the competition, whats the problem? Thats a pretty big savings on the tax payers. Do the math.

BAE is now installing cheaper non approved parts to prove they can meet the ” we can lower bid” the build to buy the business. Our war fighters deserve the best vehicle and parts, BAE has decided to install foreign made components to make more profit — go Oshkosh

First of all, the Army is in charge of this procurement which means one shouldn’t expect perfection.

Second, BAE has failed on some huge contracts over the years (in spectacular fashion might I add) as “Inspector Gagget” mentioned above.

Third, I guarantee you BAE has been preparing a protest during the entire source selection process. Boeing proved that you could successfully challenge a contract award based on a few small, nearly irrelevant protests. The GAO has shown that they do not have the spine to call the giant contractors out and what you get is a failure to procure multi-million (billion) dollar lot buys.

Oshkosh already makes heavy duty firefighting apparatus, extreme rough duty snow plows and salt trucks, medium to heavy duty mining equipment and logging equipment. It is completely reasonable that all of those existing componets can be modified to meet the military contract specifications. Oshkosh, sells their equipment to major companies and municipilities that are extremely concerned about price and longeviety. This is a “no brainer” Oshkosh won! Yeah! If we award the contract to anyone else we might as well just buy the already manufactured “Swiss” build trucks.

Tell you all what: Get off your butts, hope on to a plane to South AFrica and apporach companies like Reumech and a few others, and YOU CAN BUY MRAP PERSONAL CARRIERS THROUGH TO LOG VEHICLES OF THE SHELF, FOR A LOT LESS!

I bought the toughest off-road truck, Oshkosh Truck, for the Ready-Mix concrete industry since 1950. The fire truck industry has been dominated by “Oshkosh” as the toughest in the industry. They have a half a century of solid reputation in the “tough truck” industry.

I’ve had a lot of experience in low cost manufacture — was VP of engineering for Bobcat where we built our own tooling, built our own fixtures, gears, shafts, transmissions, hydraulic valves and cylinders and on-board computers.
I don’t believe that Osh Kosh is in the business to lose money: they are not politicians.
They just looked at the design requirements of the vehicle, recognized that it could be built at a profit for less than the competitors, and succeeded. Don’t mess with a good thing.
Galvanizing (zinc plating) safety structures is the kiss of death to welded components.

HOW RIGHT YOU ARE JOE M. ESPECIALLY THE LAST LINE
SgtMaj156

If it is a Firm Fixed Price (FFP) proposal, if they underbid the contract, they lose money. They gain nothing from low balling.

BAE has some major malfunctions in the Ethics Group.

Oshkosh does have experieince builidng tactical vehicles: the HEMMT has been around for along time,: Chek out http://​www​.oshkoshdefense​.com

As for BAE, CHek Out:

http://​discoursology​.net/​2​0​0​9​/​1​0​/​0​3​/​b​a​e​-​u​n​d​e​r​-​inv

Also, the BAE charges are ridiculous, if not libel: yes, every manufacturer subs out some parts-so what? Oshkosh doesn’t sub out as many-what’s wrong with that? Who knows what it costs BAE to build anything, except BAE. As for under bidding, that’s an old game with which I’m sure BAE is as familiar as any other contractor, if not more so.

I’m glas an American Company got he bid. Now, Go, Baby, Go! ANd don’t let us down.

What a bunch of garbage crybabies. Has BAO found any problems with Oshkosh from past projects? No they havent. None of the people here bad mouthing them have either. They have proven themselves time and time again. BAO is a same o same o company thet got a little to use to pulling strings to get their way as Boeing has tried. People want a product that works at the least expense with tax dollars. If BAO and Boeing got of their rears and really wanted the projects, they may have gotten them. But they depend on their Congress reps to step in and correct the problem. Each time the reps were shot down. This is the tax payers money not Congress’s.
One thing the govt should start doing is put in a final price tag and if there are overages, then the project company pays for it. The company should also have liability insurance to repay the govt if they do not build to specs or on time. We have let off these same o same o companies far too long. Time to be responsible with our tax dollars. If you did not win, go back to the drawing board and find out what went wrong instead of crying like a child. That’s what happens when you have overpaid unions that dictate wages and always go on strikes costing the company money. Most unions are good, but some should be put out of business for their irresponsible business practices. The security of our proud country comes first instead of listening to loser crybabies and certain unions. If a company builds it just as good as you or better and you lose out, it’s your fault and problem , not the winning company or the good ole USA. Grow up and put in for a new project and stop crying, or just go out of business. With all of the combat and other actions we are involved in, we have not the time for your crying!!!

PS-as far as the equipment and tooling Oshkosh needs, exactly what are we talkng about? A few micrometers or jigs and dies? It’s normal for a new line to require some specialized tooling which Oshkosh would’t want to buy until they got the bid. Heck, I bet Oshkosh doesn’t even have a man on the FMTV assembly line, either, and I’m surprised that BAE didn’t bring that up, too.
I’ve never had much luck, dealing with BAE.

Are we going to get another “Gamma Goat”?

Soundsss like (2) two companies got cought tring to screeew the GOV again and are cring on the puke.

Give em hell Oshkosh!! By gosh!!!

Regarding the galvanized welds, it sounds like Oshkosh tlaked the armyout of one of its “blond moments”.

BAE usng that to cry “foul” tells us a lot about BAE!

I’m not surprised BAE feels that way about subbing out parts. The BAE owned Bradley AFV uses a General Electric HMPT 500 transmission and a Cummins VTA-903 diesel engine.
Talk to BAE about problems, and they’ll have a hard time finding their current parts vendors, and you won’t get knowledgeable answers from them, either. One bunch carburized a transmission shaft, then ground the “funny color” off. They went to a lot of extra work, just to wreck the part.
Make parts in house, you don’t have that kind of problem.

Each contractor should be given the opportunity to build 15 vehicles within a given period of time within a given cost. Winner takes the rest of the pie..

as a ex (retired BAE) in QA under production we were told let it go this was in LTWS so they should be able to bild it chepper just a larger profit

We have the pot calling the kettle black. All major procurements are buy ins with the anticipation to make it big once it becomes a sole source acquisition and the product can be buried in change orders. The only defense the government has is to at least start with the lowest price available from a qualified bidder.

And Mr. BAE man you are full of IT. MRAP did not delay LTAS. BAE delayed LTAS because they could not build the cab nor could they keep the parts in to complete a cab. How hard is it to keep a freaking window in stock . Mr. Bae man you are just worried about your cush job and to lazy to get from behind your damn computer to try and help fix the cluster that company created!!!!!

OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH…OSHKOSH!!!!!

FMTV is a piece of junk. Three different engines with different belts and lets not even get into the transmissions. Ordering parts is a nightmare. As far as I am concerned the vehicle needs to be scrapped altogether. No matter who builds it, it is still junk. A new vendor will just throw in a new equation to the problem.

I don’t know what goes on at BAE, nor do I know whether OshKosh is lowballing a bid to get the contract…What I do know is this…
I work for a subcontractor to BAE. I go to work everyday and do the best job I can, whether it is an 8,10,or 12 hour shift to get a quality part out the door. I work hard and am proud of the work I do. Not all, but many of my co-workers are the same way…hard working, knowledgable, great PEOPLE.
If OshKosh gets this contract, probably around 7000 jobs are at risk of being lost. There are the 3000 or so at BAE in Sealy and Katy TX and also the 4000+ jobs sub-contracted out. I worry every day that I may not have a job to go to in the morning.
For all of you that say good riddence to BAE, You are saying good riddence to my job, food on my table and clothes on my back. So, that 400 million they underbid BAE may help the folks up in Wisconsin, but down here in TX, it is going to be bad. I guess the 400,000,000 the government ‘saves’ with this contract, is going to be spent elsewhere paying unemployment and financial aid to all those who lose thier jobs.….

It is however not just the unions. There are engineering careers involved. This is a prime example why companies like BAE are having a hard time attracting engineers. They see that it is only a career for about ten years. Good luck finding people to work on these things when they have to move all over the country and uproot their families and lose money on their homes. In addition, you think this isn’t going to cost the same thing at Oshkosh? You are kidding yourselves. Too bad you don’t know much about the contractor side of the equation.

OK instead of being honest about it dishonesty is awarded. That is really intelligent.

Dear dirtyrice sorry that you are going to loose your job but if it was still stewart and stevenson and the people that use to run it then you wouldnt have to worry about your job.… But the money hungry back stabbing people at BAE cost you your job and gave it to a company that actually cares about there employes.

Inspector Gagget;
Only Vehicles DD250 Signed off by DCMA are delivered, 100%. Show me the Money. Show me the proof, you can not produce any just like in the GAO Audit for poor quality, none was produced, the paper work mysteriously was lost. Yea there are plenty of sharks swimming and biting but so far no meat. All you mentioned was corrected ASAP and you know it. You have been back and seen for yourself; no defects! Over 1300 100% DCMA signed off LTAS FMTV’s were deliverd last month; a record delivery! WE ARE FMTV!!!

Watcher,
BS, a lot of parts supplied by our vendors are made in China; they have passed all quaility inspections, materials and specifications. It’s called globalization. Look at your Detroit GM, electronics, water pumps, starters, alternators are made in China. Yes our War Fighters deserve the best and that’s what we give them. WE ARE FMTV!!!

First of all the fmtv is junk We the us hade the best truck the ole 21/2 ton truck now the iraqis have it .

Honestly can’t we have both BAE and Oshkosh manufacture the same truck design? We did it with countless types of vehicles in World War II, and while you can’t have two companies manufacturing an Abrams due to the complexity, a truck should be a different matter.

Look as far as I’m concerned — I could care less if BAE get’s another contract. BAE is the world’s second-largest defense contractor and the largest in Europe. According to numerous English and American publications — BAE has a history of corruption. Oshkosh has been around since 1919 and is an American owned & operated company with no history of providing a substandard product to our servicemen and women. Oshkosh employs 7000 people worldwide, manufacturing heavy military vehicles for the Department of Defense. I’m not happy with putting money into the pockets of BAE. I’m not happy with a foreign company providing defense related services to our troops. I’m not happy with funneling American tax dollars to foreign companies and letting them be the primary beneficiary of new technology — something Americans should be doing for our own troops. The defense of our nation and the projection of our international interests should have one overriding theme — 100% American owned and operated!

Why should Oshkosh — who won fairly — have to give anything up to BAE or for that matter, any other contractor? Two companies means two logistical supply systems which means more taxpayer money spent and potential logistical nightmares. System redundancy is important for troop and equipment survivability. Having two companies with two different business philosophies and practices is not always a good thing.

Duec and a half + IED = Gillette Razors. So much for “ben there” because doing that means spending eternity in a coffin!

Mark — you should be able to send a letter to the House and Senate ethics committees. Next, I would send said information to the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force Inspector Generals Offices. The final letter should go the Secretary Gates — so he can help bring some of this trash down.

Do you think that the vehicles are designed, assembled and tested in the UK? You are very mis-informed. There are 44000 employees of BAE’s in the USA. That is a lot of mine and your tax dollars being spent here. BAE is not unequal in their foreign ownership in the defense industry, but this is far from the same thing as the EADS tanker bid.
I do think this protest is probably wrong but unfortunately it is part of the POLITICAL process that defense spending has/always been.

BAE Man; Iam talking about MRAPand SOCOM vehicle production at BAE Systems York. I have seen major discrepencies like engine serpetine belts routed wrong an presented to the governement inspector. Welds missing when presented for inspection. If BAE had a quality process, then why does BAE present vehicles to the government inspector with welds missing, wrong washers used, missing bolts on roof armor, wrong bolts used in rear suspension. BAE Quality Control is poor at best. When a the government inspector finds 5 bolts missing on interior spall liner wall, this is poor quality, BAE is this quality?

If you are inclined to learn more of BAE’s alleged history unethical practices bribery schemes, and corruption at the highest levels; and of their attempts to evade ongoing scrutiny and investigations by our Department of Justice (DoJ) and the British Special Fraud Office (SFO), have a look at this recent PBS special report — http://​video​.pbs​.org/​v​i​d​e​o​/​1​1​1​4​4​3​6​9​3​8​/​p​r​o​g​r​a​m​/​979

With over 30 years experience, I have a lot more faith in Oshkosh quality than I do in the BAE product. I will feel a lot more comfortable with our troops riding in Oshkosh than in BAE. I don’t want my kids in anything less.

I for one am supportive of this decision. Oshkosh Trucks is a love affair!

Yeah the reason why Oshkosh produced more MATV trucks is because Oshkosh is sub contracting the MATV contract to BAE is OHIO. Oshkosh does not have a production line or an e-coat systems to build FMTV. I wonder who is Oshkosh going to hire as a sub contractor for to build the cabs for the FMTV trucks. hmmm let me think BAE in OHIO.

I’m sorry but we all know that Oshkosh will have problems building the FMTV trucks due to the amount of trucks TACOM wants a month. For one, Oshkosh does not have a production line or an e-coat system. You need a production line and an e-coat system to do the job. It’s very sad that our government awarded a company that is ranked 28th in the country as a contractor and was going bankrupt compared to BAE who is ranked 4th. Its all about creating jobs for your stupid ass state. i know we lost this contract because of freaking politics (OBAMA). oh yeah, BAE OHIO is helping Oshkosh build the MATV’s just so Oshkosh can make there numbers every month. You probably didn’t know that right? So watch what you say buddy because Oshkosh wants BAE in OHIO to build the cabs for your FMTV trucks. Now that is pathetic. i can’t wait to see TACOM realize that they made a huge mistake by awarding the FMTV contract to Oshkosh who is known for overalls..lol.

bae:

Since when does Oshkosh not have a production line? Last I checked they have multiple, flexible production lines in Oshkosh alone. Let’s see here. Creating jobs in my stupid ass state eh…it’s your representatives that are in on this game, not wisconsin’s. And actually, to set the record straight, M-ATVs are made at the Harrison Street plant in Oshkosh, WI as well as the JLG plant in PA. And, since you’re obviously not well versed in any of this…Oshkosh bought JLG in 2006. 500 M-ATVs a month in Harrison, 500 + all the cabs in JLG’s plant. So no, you’re information is completely flawed. BAE does not help Oshkosh build the M-ATV. And the current TACOM order amounts to ~600 — 700 trucks a month, which is well within Oshkosh’s means. Sorry, BAE lost. Now you’ll go whine and complain like your company does…leave the building to the people who know how to build trucks

Remember what Henry Ford, at the behest of the War Production Board, told Consolidated Aircraft early in the war: “You don’t know how to build airplanes. I’LL SHOW YOU how to build airplanes…”

For one Oshkosh knows how to weld galvanized steel and have used it on HEMMTT cabs. the second thing is don’t ever question the relibility of an Oshkosh vs. the FMTV the FMTV is a piece of shit you will have a hard time breaking an Oshkosh I promise you that I’m sorry your losing your job but don’t bash a quality company and quality people that build them. Oshkosh has been building mititary trucks since WW2

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