What to Watch in 2010

What to Watch in 2010

UPDATED: Veteran Pentagon Watcher Predicts Budget Gridlock if Gates Leaves And GOP Wins House and Heritage Analyst Comments

The defense world can be incredibly frustrating to cover. For the most part there is relatively little real change from year to year except in factors beyond the military’s control. So the military tends to adopt a worst case approach to the world and try to come up with solutions that fit a wide range of problems. That creates its own snafus, since systems like FCS or Future Imagery Architecture end up costing way too much and doing few things well. The military’s greatest successes are usually found in developing systems that do one or two things really well — think the Jeep, the Abrams tank, the boomer fleet, the A-10 Warthog.

With that in mind, we humbly offer a few events and trends to watch over the next two years, since one year is far too short in the defense world, as any budget weenie can tell you. What to watch: Gates on his way out the door; the November elections; the struggle in Af-Pak; the intelligence wars.

First, Defense Secretary Robert Gates will probably leave. The rumors have been that he would leave just before the next budget is announced, allowing his successor the freedom to focus on operations and not get lambasted by Congress for what is sure to be a fairly painful budget proposal. Of course, there were rumors rampant several times that that Rumsfeld fellow was on his way out — including from the National Security Council — and they didn’t come to fruitiion for years…

One source with years of experience in the Pentagon noted that the president has much to thank Gates for. “Gates shows no immediate signs of leaving, and the still-skeletal leadership in both the DoD and the services continues to struggle. The prospect of significant Congressional losses for the President’s party in November poses a new risk to an early Gates departure — the risk that Republicans will reclaim leadership of the national security issue. A Gates departure will likely to filled with a figure more closely identified with the President (e.g. Jack Reed). A half measure such as Chuck Hagel won’t work. The President’s budget and defense program/policies will be trashed on the Hill without Gates. Obama may go to Gates with a tin cup and a tambourine begging him to stay on, at least through November.”

If Gates does leave, expect his signature focus on immediate operational needs — not strategic systems — to remain intact. A few factors make this almost inevitable. First, we must stabilize Afghanistan and Pakistan enough that we can drawdown both our financial and human financial commitments to them. That means lots of MATVs, Reapers, ammunition, and various ISR platforms. It also means reset costs will remain high, so there will be little budgetary wiggle room for new systems such as the KC-X tanker or long-range bomber. They may get initial funding, but the focus will remain on the tools to fight with today.

Congress will continue — whether the GOP wins control of the House in the November elections or not — to shove money into the defense budget. After all, it’s their constitutional right. And there is something of a dance between the legistlative and executive branches. The White House knows that Congressman X will fund weapon Y, regardless of what they do about it. That gives the executive branch some budget trade space and the ability to criticize the HIll for being porkers while still getting everything they want plus a little bit. If the GOP does win the House, watch for the pork criticism to get really heated since the GOP will want to flex its muscles and show the country they know how to deliver on defense.

Our source with Pentagon experience predicts a House GOP victory would lead to, “the sort of defense program/budget gridlock (CRs and supplementals will become the main vehicles for addressing defense policy/program issues between the branches) we had in the last two years of the Clinton administration, or to a lesser extent, the last two years of the Reagan administration.”

Mackenzie Eaglen, defense anlalyst at the Heritage Foundation, notes that this upcoming budget will essentially “be the first full Congressional debate on President Obama’s defense priorities given that it will provide come with an expected and overdue White House National Security Strategy, a completed budget request, FYDP, long-term shipbuilding and aviation plans, and the QDR and NPR. All of these long-term strategic documents will generally influence major defense decisions over the next two years regardless of whether Secretary Gates stays or goes.”

One of the hottest battles outside of Af-Pak and Yemen will be the trench warfare between the intelligence agencies over who missed that Nigerian fellow and let him live, let alone, get on an airplane with a valid visa headed to the United States.

It seems as if the chronic disconnect between the strategic intelligence gatherers and the tactical folks remains unbridged. The National Security Agency had crucial intercepts ready and translated. The CIA had warnings from one of Nigeria’s richest and most respected men that his son posed a direct threat to the West. Britain cancelled his visa and barred him from entry. The US? The Department of Homeland Security (which oversees immigration with the State Department) left his multiple entry visa untouched and failed to do anything substantive beyond putting him on a list to which nobody pays much attention because it includes a substantial portion of the Muslim world.

Perhaps Congress, which is culpable for having left itself unreformed in how it deals with homeland security, will finally wake up and slash the number of committees with oversight responsiblity for DHS. DHS was a crucial weak link in this, but most to blame must be the National Counterterrrorism Center. It is supposed to be the locus of all intelligence fusion efforts across the government. The data existed to make a reasoned and intelligent assessment of the risk posed by the Nigerian but it was not fused and so he almost killed 330 some people.

The experienced Pentagon watcher believes “there is a bigger question of what responsibilities are prudent to leave with DHS. Senator Leahy’s reluctance to ‘militarize’ cyber security has left DHS with the primary responsibility for cyber security of US information networks — a task it is not remotely able to undertake. Ditto, protecting the nation against clandestine WMD. A wholesale realignment of DHS capabilities may come out of a review.”

Meanwhile, the chairman of the House Armed Sercvices Committee — no unthinking critic of the intelligence community or of the military — sent a very public signal on Dec. 31 of his deep unease. “Today, Congressional staff received an inter-agency briefing on the Christmas Day event that left me with more questions than answers. I understand that there were failures across the government and the international community that quite frankly, eight years after the attacks on 9–11, should not have happened,” Rep. Ike Skelton said in a letter to President Obama.

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It would be nice if by some amazing chain of events the F-22 program is put back on track and gets the green light for more production.

i’d much rather have Gates stay on than have a wing of F-22’s.

2010 will be the year that NAVSEA down-selected the Littoral Combat Ship and killed either the short-legged cramped LCS-1 program, or else the cavernous, long-legged LCS-2 with unlimited growth potential.

Wonder which one will be killed ?

If the republicans do not take over in the house Barry will be able to complete his usofkka Jerimiah right and bill ayers Goal of gutting the US military.

Right on Dow! So let’s make sure we vote and drive ten friends to the polls. The US needs to modernize the entire nuclear enterprise. It is funny (and not ha ha funny) that while Obama and his Marxist crew beg the Russians to disarm Putin is talking about new ICBMs and other strategic weapons.

Bobby are you all there

Gates “my way or the highway” approach is just as bad as Rumsfields.

Give me some 400 additional F-22s please, and toss in some development work for our next bomber.

You know gates ordered last year for our nuclear arsenal to be modernized after that one bomber flew a live nuke over the USA… last I heard (which was on FNC months ago) they are currently making good on those upgrades.

All Gates knows about air power issues can be written on a matchbook with a large sized crayon.

The real question of course is how is any next leadership (DOD or Congress) going to deal with the fantasy that Operation: USELESS DIRT 1, (Afghanistan) is somehow winnable. (It isn’t).

Why we don’t just retire our fighter fleet and take the money that was put into maintaining those and buy F-22’s with it I don’t know. Sure we’ll have less fighters, but having less, but technology superior fighters is better then having a million POS fighters. (I’d also suggest doing the samething with the F-35/NextGen Bomber) But I guess using your brains in the defense department is a automatic disqualification, and gets you fired. :)

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Funding, budgets, etal makes for some serious reading sleeping…
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Gates retiring opens the door for ANY DOD Czar that OBNA can get off the Chicago Street. DOD funding is the key to the Leftist agenda of Demise of the USA Production system. Eliminate this fund, that source, that program and the ripples go down thru the food chain. A Loss of an F22 set of Produciton aircraft translates directly into System Engineers on the streets. A down grade of the F– 35 production amounts, means Associate Engineers, system engineers and some IEBA folks on the streets. The goal is attained by attrition.
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Folks, the budget process makes for great comments, lots of Accountants speak, but the bottom line, is that the Agenda of the LEFT, is the demise of the USA Capitalistic system. They have nearly ruined the Real Estate system, now it will be, IN 2010, the DOD turn.
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Semper Fi.

Lets not forget the fact that Obummer was supposed to address the woeld about Et’s, and the coverup of the last 60 years, and if he does’nt…the other world powers will, leaving the USA on the back burner.That is what the Norway spiral, and the big UFO flap recently in Russia, when Obummer received his peace medal was about…forcing the issue.The world will be changing and soon!

Some of you guys must have matching F-22 sheets and pillow cases in your rooms. Let it go already.

What we need to do is to continue to nurture the old fighter plane pipeline concept.
Lots of planes, lots of pilots, lots of diversity.
Putting all our eggs in the F-22 or some other overly expensive money trap project like billion dollar bombers is simply wrong.
I am glad someone is keeping an eye on how our tax dollars and how this country can best be defended.

Not only matching sheets and pillow cases but in bed playing with their torpedos.

Good Evening Folks,

The Heritage Foundation must be getting desperate, the antebellums they appear to have ran out of boogie men under the bed, now they are spreading the rumors that Sec. Gates will leave the administration, the Republicans will win over Congress this year, and president Obama will lose in 2012.

This appears to be right now nothing more then an antebellums wet dream. So dream away of F-22’s.

That’s a pretty big wish list. Spreading this kind of false information is a sign of desperation on the of Heritage. They have nothing to add to the national debate on defense or the current wars. Politics is unpredictable and only fools will try.

Lets see a year ago how many guessed a President Obama?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I completely agree with Byron Skinner. The Heritage Foundation are a bunch of desperate fools who obviously think they can see the future. I wonder if they can tell me what I’m gonna have for dinner tomorrow hmm???

Typical Byron Skinner, come in here bitching and whining about conservatives because the Heritage Foundation are not a bunch of liberals.

Whats your wish list Byron? More military cuts? Three carriers retired, 200 ship navy, no new vehicles or aircraft? Government run healthcare? A leftist society without free-speech for those on the right?

Good Morning Casey D.,

The Heritage along with the rest of antebellum winger tanks have a problem and it’s Afghanistan. President Obamas decision to bump up the troop count is what the “conservatives” were sating they wanted. That kinda cut off any opposition by the wingers at the knees.

As for the political future, a favorite dinner topic of us liberals in four star plus restaurants. According to Newsmax, one of antebellums favorite web sites, they are giving President Obama a 36% approval rating which every other poll also says, it would appear that the had found a bottom. Newsmax is giving the Republicans, no specific candidate an 18% rating and what they call Independent Conservatives at 23%, which accounts for 79% of the electorate, or 23% who have no opinion.

The Republicans are in political trouble, they have no appearant front runner yet

Good Morning Casey D.,

The Heritage along with the rest of antebellum winger tanks have a problem and it’s Afghanistan. President Obamas decision to bump up the troop count is what the “conservatives” were sating they wanted. That kinda cut off any opposition by the wingers at the knees.

As for the political future, a favorite dinner topic of us liberals in four star plus restaurants. According to Newsmax, one of antebellums favorite web sites, they are giving President Obama a 36% approval rating which every other poll also says, it would appear that the had found a bottom. Newsmax is giving the Republicans, no specific candidate an 18% rating and what they call Independent Conservatives at 23%, which accounts for 79% of the electorate, or 23% who have no opinion.

The Republicans are in political trouble, they have no apparent front runner yet possibilities are of course include Hucklebee (Willie Horton, oops), Gingrich (adultery, serial by now), any Southern Governor (if the public has an appetite for another one), Rush Limbaugh ( a Democrats dream, will he take an $8.5 million pay cut?), McCain (he’s doing leadership things in the Senate,his campaign slogan ” Why not, go with what you got.”) and of course Sarah Palin (just to dumb ?)

For the Democrats it would at this time appear that the only opposition to President might come as a third party from Senator Libberman and his Independent Democrats.

A strong third party effort especially among the Evangelical Christian Right Wing Conservatives is likely might it be Ralph Reed, or Gary Bauer or a Sarah Palin who got dumped by the Republicans?

I doubt very much, other the Afghanistan that a defense issue will be a factor on 2010 or 2012. The overwhelming majority of voters don’t associate F-22 with an airplane, don know nor really care how many aircraft carriers or submarines the US has or what is a or how many BCT’s the active Army wants to support. The most likely issue will be Jobs, the Economy, and social issues like education, healthcare etc. The public quite frankly is sick of war, sick of big defense spending, if President Obama can pick up on that I would think he would be hard to beat in 2012.

On the fear of defense cuts, it’s going to happen, deal with it ‚and the leaders crying the loudest for cuts, will be the same as always Conservatives who are again expecting a peace dividend in the form of tax cuts. No new toys for the boys.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Continued production of the F-22 died because the plane is filled with problems that cannot be overlooked. Most of the support for the F-22 comes from armchair generals who are not close enough to the problems to see them. It’s too expensive to buy in numbers and too expensive to maintain in numbers large enough to keep in the air if we were to get into a shooting match with someone, unlikely as that may sound.

The F-22 is an enormously impressive plane that became an albatross; and it was sold by lobbyists before we even knew if it was worth the cost. Even flight line mechanics wavered in their support because of the number of hours it takes between flights to keep it maintained. It’s sort of like a Mercedes Benz. When it works it’s absolutely awesome. When it needs repair it makes you wish you had bought a Toyota or a Honda.

Also, the day of the dogfight seems to be waning. There hasn’t been a really necessary or robust fur-ball in the sky since 1991. Maybe manned fighter aircraft are simply on the way out. I could be wrong but it seems like this is the real issue at hand.

In 1982, during the Falklands War when there were two air forces facing each other, the Sea Dart and the Rapier and AAA were almost as decisive as Harriers in the air. Then again that was thirty years ago and our possible enemies have much more sophisticated SAMs now than then. It’s one reason why the XB-70 Valkyrie was canceled. Soviet surface to air missile technology was advanced enough to make it unadvisable to produce more expensive high altitude transonic bombers when a missile that cost $200,000 could bring them down.

Wishing for more F-22s is like wishing for more albums to be released on 8 track.

I am of the opinion that new monies should be spent on robotic warfare systems and of course the basics. Better training, clothing, footwear, small arms and radios for troops in the field.

Then again, I am also an armchair general.

Respectfully,

Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

Good Evening Daniel,

I agree with your tale of the F-22. It would seem that the United States is far enough ahead of any competition for a 5th. Generation fighter that anymore F-22 would be good money after bad. If there is another generation of dedicated fighter after the F-22 it almost certainly be unmanned.

I also agree with you where declining funds should be spent. I think because that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not like WWII or Korea types of affairs that the wingers who want more iron are greatly disappointed. It would appear that the rest of the world has lost its appetite for big military adventures that drain the treasury, kill a lot of people and in the end only accomplish destruction.

I’m sure that all will change in decades to come as the world creates more wealth and greed takes over and countries want more territory. But for now I can’t see anything wrong on enjoying the equilibrium of the current world.

The al Qaeda problem? They or want-a-bees are going to be a permeate fixture of of the world for quite some time and will have to be dealt with incident by incident, preemptive attacks have shown to be on no value in containing terrorists. There is no reason to invest in massively expensive platforms/systems that have not practical use.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

so your solution is to bet everything on unproven (in the air superiority role) “robotic platforms”? There have been many situations that have not experienced in many years, when was the last time a sub fired a torpedo lets just take the tubes off new designs, our carrier haven’t really been threatened in a while do they really need an escort?

the american way of warfare is very depended on air superiority, some platform needs to be around to achieve it, these as of now prototype ucavs are a huge gamble if that’s what your suggesting, ucavs in general have yet to face a peer competitor and just recently where compromised by COTS equipment in the range of $30. sounds to me like your jumping the gun just a little bit.

Byron do you ever stop shilling?

Good Morning Daniel,

To address you questions.

Robotic platforms are here and now. I can best make the analogy of the change by the Navy from sail to steam power, it took awhile but the Navy did abandoned sails, trust me on this Daniel.

The torpedo is obsolute, The number of tube is US subs was reduced to four forward slightly at an angel tubes long ago. The Mk. 48 has not been a reliable weapon and I would not be surprised to see it soon scrapped. Since the collespe of the Soviet Union the anti-submarine warfare for SSN’s has become a secondary or even a tr

Good Morning Daniel,

To address you questions.

Robotic platforms are here and now. I can best make the analogy of the change by the Navy from sail to steam power, it took awhile but the Navy did abandoned sails, trust me on this Daniel.

The torpedo is most likely obsolete as a weapon for SSN’s. The number of tubes on US subs has been reduced to four forward slightly at an angel tubes long ago.

The Mk. 48 has not been a reliable weapon and I would not be surprised to see it soon scrapped. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the anti-submarine warfare for SSN’s has become a secondary or even a tritiary role in a submarines missions.

The future SSGN’s that most likely replace the Virginias may not even have torpedo tubes at all. See Russia Project 885 for an idea at where submarine design/technology is going.

The fact is since the 1960’s the Carrier Battle Groups number of both surface and below the surface escorts has been reduced in size and types of ships, as well as the number of aircraft carried on a carrier. The reasons are first reduced threats around the world, the DD51 Burkes, the LCS’s that are replacing the FFG’s all are force multipliers. Example most battle groups now, even in war time go out with out a CG in there escort group.

To me air superiority mean just that, it doesn’t mean you have to go out and better yourself when there is no competition that calls for new technology. All you are doing is raising the bar on yourself.

Right now Russia, China and India are all flying fighters that are basically 60’s technology or going on 50 years old. When any of these countries do make new fighters it’s always in very small numbers: ex. China the J-10 120 plaines, buys of Su. 27’s 76 aircraft, the Su 30’s 48 aircraft. India has maybe 300 Su-27’d/Su-30’d and are buying 16 Mig’29’s and are working a deal to buy/build 160 (they currently have and are testing 18 Russian built prototypes) Su-35’s. Russia 500 Mig 31’s make up it’s air defense corps. They also have 12 Su 35 prototypes of which two have been lost in accidents.

UCAV’s are not developmental weapons, they are real, the Army will start taking delivery in the Spring of 130 Predator Warriors. The Warriors will be deployed at the BCT level, the MQ-5 Hunter Vipers will move down to the Battalion level of tactical control. The principle bases in the Army for training UCAV personal are at Ft’s. Hacienda and Bliss. The ground controllers will be in theater with their parent units, not in CONUS.

What do you mean by a peer competitor? The UCAV’s are offensive strike weapons and ISR platforms, not fighters. The Russians and Chinese are still generations behind the US in this technology, the Russian are so frustrated with their efforts that they are wanting to buy UAV’s from Israel.

Yes Daniel I don’t think we should be buying weapons platforms that are still in the 20th. Century. Everything that has been canceled in this budget is at least 20 year old technology just because thats what some competitor might be locked into.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

robotic platforms are here yes but id hardly consider the raven a substitute for an air superiority platform. has a ucav ever even fired a sidewinder at a test drone? these are unproven potentially very expense technologies you both seem to have decided are the future, yet there is only a handful of prototypes that are undergoing testing.

the navy did not change from sail to steam overnight like your suggesting trust me on this Byron, not to mention that is a very poor comparison.

your mythical f-35/f22 replacement is a at this time non existent you can not name a platform that could replace ANY of the intended roles of either of those aircraft RIGHT NOW.

currently operation ucavs have fired hell fires and other munitions of the type at hostile ground forces while providing ISR. you are translating this into manned aircraft are dead and we should stop further development and going with concepts on drawing boards because they were successful in an entirely unrelated role.

i do think platforms like the x 45/x47 are the future however i see them being a supplement then the low in the high low mix over the next few decades before REPLACING manned aircraft if ever. an operation x45/x47 in an active SEAD role is the next logical step not staking the future of American war fighting ability on a prototype.

either
1 build more f22/f35 AND ucavs
2build more f15/f16 AND more ucavs
3build other less expensive than f22/f35 but more capable than f16/f15 and ucavs

or your guys idea build only ucavs and pray to god they WORK and are ready before we need them

you guys are suggesting the same course of action Ive seen you both rail against when it comes to other platforms, expensive unproven technologies are high risk/high reward

to counter the inevitable cold war weapons/war were are likely to fight nonsense thinking we would only fight asymmetrical threats is the exact thing those who where exclusively peer competitor threat oriented hypocrisy thy name is…

project 855 has eight torpedo tubes and seems to be rusting away so i don’t see what that has do do with anything much like most of your posts

you are now purposely avoiding the glaring hole in your argument, Ive brought it up and you sheepishly gloss over it. UCAVs as you envision them (a mature x45/x47) don’t exist, you want to bet everything on them coming in on price on schedule, unless your going to defend current acquisition practices than that’s not likely to happen.

you do realise that the roles that the predator warrior and hunter ARE NOT used the the same role as the f22/f35 would be, they do very different things. i mean what relevance does your straw man mention of those two platforms even have here,

The McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) F-15 Eagle is a twin-engine, all-weather tactical fighter designed to gain and maintain air superiority in aerial combat. . Despite originally being envisaged as a pure air superiority aircraft, the design proved flexible enough that an all-weather strike derivative, the F-15E Strike Eagle, was later developed, and entered service in 1989.

your predator warrior does that? your x45/x47 might do the strike portion but its a PROTOTYPE it may turn out to do nothing. do you still think Hummer makes the Humvee?

Good Evening Daniel,

Lets see. The predators are not used the same in the same role as the F-22/F-35. Of course they are used in the same role Daniel. I don’t know if anyone one has told you it but the US does have a very robust air to air combat ability already.

The UCAV’s X-45 and the X-47B are well funded and the X-47B is in full size prototype testing and is currently going through it carriers quals now. The half size X-47 did five years of testing for the Navy in three. The X-45 was pull by Boeing two years ago when it was running ahead in testing and they were concerned that it might be a factor in the canceling of other platforms. Boeing put the X-45 back in testing last Spring and it is doing well but NG now has a rather large jump on Boeing.

To you question of a predator in air to air combat. A Predator did fire a Stinger at an Iraqi Mig 29 in 2003. The Stinger missed and the predators was shot down by the Mig 29. The Mig 29 was later dispatched by an F-18 if I recall. That was the sole air victory for the IAF.

You seem to have a problem that the air to air mission and the ground attack/ISR missions are different. Other then just to spend money there is no need for either the F-22 or the F-35. There is a need and it is being dealt with for air to ground support that is not 30 minutes away.

On the Project 855, it would appear that I have fresher sources the you have so I will just let your statement set.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I really dislike the idea of betting everything on UAS. With our competitors focusing on asymmetrical warfare, you can bet communications jamming will be at or near the top of their list. Sever the communications link with a UAV, and it goes into a failsafe mode that returns it to the nearest friendly airstation, thereby taking it out of the fight. Just because they are unmanned, doesn’t mean they fight by themselves outside of human intervention. No UAS should ever be allowed to independently conduct combat without a human in the decision-making loop.

Good Evening Daniel,

As far as the F-22 and F-35 as being complete systems, they are not. The current F-22’s come with the radar and fire control systems of the F-16D. The F-22 system was only contracted for a year ago to Raytheon and is still being installed into F-15’s to start testing. It is hoped that by 2015 the system can be ready for production. This is not ready technology.

The F-35, is still a decade away from be operational, it’s not even in production yet, this is hardly proven technology.

It wouldn’t be surprising to me to see the X-47 become operational then the Navy’s/Marine’s F-35’s.

It’s all about money Daniel, the US doesn’t have an unlimited wealth to buy the gold plated toys the generals and Admirals want and still do Healthcare, Education, Social Security, and bail out Wall Street every yen years.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Drones/UCAV’s have a bright future. However, against technological opponents employing ASAT weapons, advanced radio jamming, cyber hacking attacks and EMP weapons, and they will remain vulnerable for the near future.

In reference to the F-22, while it is an imperfect fighter, the decision to terminate production at only 187 aircraft will have serious consequences in the future. The F-35 was designed to operate in tandem with the Raptor, it was never intended to be a replacement.

Byron Skinner

Of course Mr. Democratic party Plant, will say the Republicans are in trouble. There is well over 2 years until Presidential elections and your cheering because there is no front runner? Considering how Obama was virtually a nobody right up until the elections I find your conclusion laughable at best. Plus the Democrats have 2 more years of screwing things up to weaken their positions as well.

Of course the main issues will be the economy (it always is) and probably debt but if you honestly think Americans want less defense spending you would be mistaken. Only you leftists do and me and plenty of other conservatives are sick and tired of it.

Deal with it? No I will not as I consider it a national priority to keep our military from being gutted. Perhaps you need to reexamine your priorities first rather than rooting for Democrat one-party rule.

Regarding the F-22. The aircraft was not outdated and there was plenty of room for future upgrades and improvements. For example since an early stage the F-22 was designed with the capability for side AESA arrays to expand radar coverage. People point at avionics and computer advancements in the F-35 to claim the F-22 is outdated, but the F-22A’s avionic suite are easily as advanced as those of upgraded F-15Es. If the F-22 production line was to be maintained, it could be quite possible to produce an upgraded F-22C featuring many of the electronic warfare features of the F-35. The current 187 Raptors is not enough and without more the USAF will face major problems in the future as older F-15s have to be retired.

Remember the F-35 designed to supplement the F-22 much like the F-16 supplemented the F-15. In fact initial production F-35s will hardly be well equipped for the air-superiority mission. Only later blocks will have the capability to carry 6 internal missiles and the AIM-9X.

Now despite how critical the F-35 program has become we have the same people who killed the F-22 trying to kill the Lightning II with many of the same arguments. The truth is we need more manned fighters in the near future and our aviation industry is in no state to come up with a whole new design as an alternative to the F-35. The UCAV alternative is simply no realistic at this time.The designs being developed are subsonic, cannot use radar guided missiles, and are designed for strike, reconnaissance, and observation roles. Generally the X-45C and X-47B would be used much like current UAV designs. These do not have an air-superiority capability.

Even if we could somehow get a UCAV fighter out the door in the same time it will take to finish F-35 development, there are electronic warfare concerns as well. UAVs are essentially dependent on our satellite network and communications. In a conventional war against a powerful nation (a prospect that we must always consider) our satellite are vulnerable. Even nations like North Korea who may not be able to hit our satellites are putting a ton of effort into electronic and cyber-warfare.

It is true that current UAVs can have some autonomous capability (return to base, circle and hold, etc.) and we could easily expand on that so UCAVs could pick out tanks, APCs, and enemy aircraft within IR/EO sensor range. Yet there are many concerns here and BVR combat is another matter entirely. In my opinion, fully autonomous UCAV operations are unlikely outside of a large scale conventional conflict. Even with highly advanced UCAVs there may well be some requirement for manned fighters and bombers.

Regarding USN submarines and carrier battle groups, Byron is mistaken in saying the ASW requirement is dead. In fact, if our Navy maintains is strength, enemy submarines are their best chance to take our our carriers.

Indeed current USN designs have four torpedo tubes with the exception of the larger Seawolf class which has eight. This is mainly because of the need for a large sonar system and because improvements in torpedo guidance, loading, and lethality improvements. Besides for torpedoes those tubes can launch Harpoon missiles and various other munitions. While most submarine weapon development is likely to focus on missile systems, the torpedo will be around for the foreseeable future. If an enemy submarine gets close the Mk.48 is your only viable option, and most anti-submarine missiles tend to deliver a torpedo as their payload.

Our CVNs remain the most powerful asset of our Navy when it comes to striking targets on land. It is unlikely that any number of missiles on our DDG-51s and cruisers could replace the striking power of a carrier’s air wing. Consider the fact that at any given moment some 6 carriers are either at shore being refitted and resupplied, or stationed in key areas. Meanwhile at least two carrier are probably on route to replace another on station. With that in mind 10 or more carriers can be easily justified.

Byron I would advise you not to underestimate foreign aircraft developments. The widely exported Flanker series is highly capable for example, and modernized Fulcrums can pose a similar threat. The Russians and Chinese also have their own “black projects” and lets not forget about the threat all manners of SAM systems can pose.

Byron, you are all wrong about the F-22’s radar and FCS coming from the F-16D. The AN/APG-77 radar is an AESA radar, similar to the F-15C’s AN/APG-63(V)2 and (V)3 radar as well as the F/A-18E/F/G’s AN/APG-79. The APG-63(V)2 is the world’s first operational fighter-based AESA radar, becoming operationally fitted on the F-15C in 2000 and the (V)3 entering production in 2009. The F-16 didn’t get an AESA radar until the Block 60 model (aka E/F model) which is the AN/APG-80). The USAF does not possess any Block 60’s. The APG-80 was delivered to the UAE in 2003. The F-22’s APG-77 had already been fitted at least as late as 2005 and received flight-test certification in 2007.

This isn’t a minor mistake, and totally debunks your claim about the F-22 not being operationally ready.

Let’s not forget that the F-22 has more room to grow for more advanced avionics systems than said F-15E’s. And actually, the F-22’s avionics is currently more advanced than the F-15E because of it’s AN/APG-77 radar. The F-15E won’t be able to come close to matching the F-22’s avionics performance until it receives the AN/APG-63(V)4 radar.

Re-reading my post, I didn’t mean to come off as sounding harsh or callous or anything of that matter. My apologies if that’s how I sounded.

what?? Why is it when all the professionals go on vacation you crazies take over the blogs.

I’d respond to your email with a rebuttals if any of your points were even coherent.….…

Good Morning Folks,

What might be of some importance is the arms deal that the US did on Saturday with Taiwan. I don’t think it’s been in the elite media yet but the US agreed to for $1.6 billion provide Taiwan with the Patriot 3 Missiles that the Bush W administration wouldn’t, along with 30 AH-64’s, unknown number of E-2T’s and a basket full of Raytheon products to include Harpoon, Javelin, AIM-9’s etc.

It is hard to see why this deal went through, all it will do is add to the arms build up that the Russians have started in South Asia and Southeast Asia. It does appear to show that President Obama is somebody who wants payback for any slight, can the less then overwhelming excitement by the Chinese to his recent visit be a reason for this foolishness. Or is this a message to China that we are serious about our sanction on Iran?

By President Obama letting this deal go through it makes the US a player in the progressive insanity that is currently going on in Asia.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

It almost guaranteed that some here would dodge meaningful discourse by spewing personal attacks. Isn’t it interesting how those who often criticizes the Defense Industry for delays and cost problems are saying we should scrap the F-35 and put all of our effort to a non-existent UCAV design. By the time such a UCAV would be ready for production, these same people will probably be lobbying to kill it in favor of another design.

The GOP needs to win the House back so that they may start focusing on other importan issues such as the economy. Whatever strategy they have , it really got’s to work. Also, if the GOP becomes the majority in congress they can get rid of that idiotic Cap and Trade bill. Fear of Cap and Trade is the reason many companies are not doing business here and intead business is being done overseas. Does anybody remember the name of the president who once said
“The business of America is Business”.

Interesting read. Where in this recap of the China/Russian fighter forces do you account for the new Russian SU-30 platform?

Trophy: Thanks for pointing out the difference between the F-16 AESA and the AN/APG-77 in the F-22 (you read my mind). The AESA in the F-22 has a greater range then other production US fighters at this time (150+ miles). The overlooked system that make the F-22 unique is the AN/ALR-94 passive radar/radio receiver system, which consists of 30 antennas within the airframe. Its 250+ range give it the ability to track and classify threats allowing it to function as small stealthy RC-135 or AWACS.

The current F-22 comes with a lot of baggage that even a Cargo plane won’t be able to carry once the fuel is filled up. From a fuel specialist, I’ve heard a cargo plane needs a lot of fuel to fly midair, and yet, adding fuel to the fire, can bring you some bad headaches. Because I heard from a couple of fuel specialists that lighting a match near a plane that was about to be fueled was an example in the Airforce. I heard making that same dumb mistake should have been an example.

Mr.Gates Needs to go!!!!! but ‚I am sure he will stick around and diismantle our once mighty military!

Forget about spending money on more expensive bombers and fighter for now and keep puting money on the actual warfighter. I would like to see an expedited JLTV that provides protection like the MRAP.

Yet if we don’t keep those fighters in low rate production it will be very costly to restart production or build a new design from the ground-up.

“It’s better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it” and “Failing to prepare is preparing to fail” are all old military sayings that comes to mind.

Until the elitsists and obamas leave hunker down for the chaos soon to come

Crow!

WHY NOT HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO!!! HAVE BOTH GATES AND THE F-22??

QUESTION: I AM NOT/WAS NOT, A PILOT. I WAS A COMPTROLLER. WITH THAT IN MIND: PLEASE EXPLAIN PLUSES AND MINUS OF F-22 VICE F-35.

GENERAL McCAFFREY, INTERVIEWED ON A NEWS PROGRAM, SAYS ‘THE F-22 WILL OUT PERFORM THE F-35.’ (EXCEPT, i SUPPOSE FOR VERTICAL TAKE OFF). ANYONE, HAVE THE REAL ‘POOP.? [OR, B—S—?]

I don’t know much about Naval ships, but I am afraid I know the answer to this question

While we need to contiuously improve our equipment we need to maintain and update what we have and learn from our mistakes. I’m not for the F22’s or 35’s because we shared too much info with other countries on them. We need to build a US component stricly for the US because you never know who your next foe will be. We need smaller — easier to transport — lighter — faster — maintenance freindly equipment, we need to look at our tactics improve them and not share the info with the world so they know how to react to them. Why did we continue to use convoys subjected to IED’s and build big heavy pieces of junk like up armor HUMVEES and MRAPS instead of going air mobile like we did in NAm and other conflicts with success. I can tell you exactly why — there is no money in applying common sense to be made by the politicals and thier buddies.

As far as acquisition goes, we need to get back to old school basics there as well. Put out a memo of what we want our next piece of gear to be capable of — let the contractors fund, build, and test it themselves, and then present it to us in funtional competition just as they did in the old days. We need to stick with what works as well, the HUEY is a great pltform and battle proven, it is also cheaper than a lot of helos in use now so why arent we still using them more? jeeps were lighter –faster– easier to transport — easier to work on-easier to manuver– a 1/4 the cost of a HUMVEE. so why not go back to them? Corsairs are well known for close air support so why not have a bunch of them still in service? SPECTRE gunships are devastating platforms so how come we dont have more of them and some built on smaller platforms such as the Osprey or CH53’s? Why are we making everything so big and heavy that we have to send semi trucks into war zones to move equipment? Civilians and politicians need to stay out of the military, and purchasing decisions should go no higher than an E9 for approval. The guys having to actualy use and depend on the gear should be the ones who choose it, not generals looking to make contacts with thier future employer when they retire.

I am retired Military, but old enough to have lived during the last half of WW-2.… Most of the people who make the decisions today have never lived in an era where they had very little and had to make what they had last as long as possible.….therefore, it is my humble opinion that many of our resources have simply been trashed and thrown away, when they could have been put to use elsewhere and could have been a source of revenue to fund future projects… My father-in-law, who was a soldier in WW-2,…recalls coming back home on a ship when the war ended…and swears that brand-new jeeps and other equipment was “shoved overboard ” and sank into the ocean… I said , “Hell, I would have welcomed the opportunity to buy one of those jeeps for my own personal use…” .…. Why can’t these items be sold to the public and recover at least part of their investment ?

I have seen WW-2 weapons carriers, 3 axle trucks , and tracked Military vehicles. converted into equiptment for logging and construction.…They were slow, but they had the “ground clearance and the muscle ” to navigate over terrain that commercial vehicles couldn’t.… these vehicles can also be used for emergency Medical and Rescue vehicles during blizzards and disasters… There are airplanes sitting in “graveyards ” which would not meet Military standards„„but could have been ” decommissioned ” and offered to “Private collectors and businessmen ” as privately-owned vehicles… perhaps at a lower price than commercially built aircraft, and would make a Hell of a conversation piece for their new owners.…Anything garnered from a sale is better than nothing.….and could help fund future projects and development..

Another big problem in the acquisition program is tha even though it’s supposed to be illegal, a lot of acquisition personnel are former contractors who came to work for the government after they retired from ATK –GD– LOCKHEED– AND SO ON. On the other hand a lot of military retired officers are going to work for contractors and utilizing thier old military contacts to get work for thier new bosses. The system is just as corrupt as the government that spawned it and its only getting worse by the day. A lot of the systems scrapped under FCS has returned painted a new color and given a new name or mark and mod number instead of being crushed like it should have, what we spent in the last 8 yrs will be spent again on a lot of the same systems that previously failed.

Get all the hatred out of the way and realize that if we don’t keep the F22 going that we will end up with nothing in competition with China. They are our major threat and we need to get back to the Rumsfield and Dick Cheny way of thinking or we will sink in the ocean!

Just got in here but one comment from Tenn Slim on the 1st hit it on the head “the agenda on the LEFT…”. Truth is the POTUS seems to be a front guy from all I’ve seen, and those behind him are looking for the U.S. to be part of a World Economy,a World Jurisprudence system,and most frightening of all a World Government. First we need to go in debt so far we’ll be dependant on “other nations”, does one come to mind?. second we need to bypass the constraints of our legal system ” exempt the Interpol from the constraints our law enforcement agencies MUST work under. Does a certain EO come to mind?
As far as World Govern’t…we need to find out who the driving force is behind the MAN.
Before you label me crazy take a hard look at all he’s done, and who he has APPOINTED and thier backgrounds.!! Yes indeed the November election is the time to get off our duffs and purge these weak fools from our government. I only hope November will not be too late.

You can always count on Patrick Leahy working against US security.

OK, some folks have gotten out of their comfort zones here. While most torpedos are obsolete, the MK48 is not one of them, subs only have 4 tubes because that is all they need. While I cant go into details I can tell you that the only way to find and defeat a submarine is with another submarine, The MK48 ADCAP is more than up to the job of tracking and destroying a submarine, and there is not a surface ship in the world than can out run or manuever a MK48. Any country going abroad against the U.S. would have to use sea transport at some point and they will be sitting targets against our submarine fleet. Secondly SPECOPS frequently use subs to infiltrate and extract from areas undetected, the subs operate independent and thus the torpedos are their only defence. Our sub fleet is one of our best deterences, they can strike with nuclear or conventional weapons with little notice, but thier funding has been so drasticly cut to fund other unproven projects by the powers that be, just as many other proven aircraft and equipment has.

Gates is staying, the F-22 is history, maybe the weenies in the Air Farce will get the tanker thing right, doubt it but one can hope. So maybe there is some hope for the services. Of course this all depends on the liars and thieves in Congress, they could screwup a wet dream without even trying. Currahee

Dear Mr. Skinner,

When you insulted Sarah Palin, you said she was “just to dumb.” I feel it my duty to correct you sir. You see, you omitted the extra “o.” It’s “just too dumb.” Now that this mistake has been corrected, please feel free to return to insulting others’ intelligence.

Sincerely,

Alex Muenchner

I want to believe, too, James. The truth is out there…

wonder if they know wat im doing right now? oohh, my hand is TIRED!!!! LMAO!!!

Keep that F-15SE line pumping..

Colin,

Watching the variety of discussion (some serious, some thought provoking, some in over their heads, some out to lunch), I’d suggest you start a general comments button at the top of the web page so it could keep going without being attached to your topic of the day.

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