Marines Embark For Haiti

Marines Embark For Haiti

The Marines are sending the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit, along with three large amphibious assault ships loaded with heavy lift helicopters, trucks and earth movers to support relief efforts. Despite having just returned from a six month deployment as theater reserve for Central Command, the 22nd MEU out of Camp Lajeune, NC., is packing up and will tomorrow for Haiti and expects to arrive early next week. Marines were recalled from post-deployment leave two days ago and immediately began crisis planning, said Marine Capt. Clark Carpenter, speaking to reporters by telephone.

The LHD-5 USS Bataan, one of the largest amphibious ships in the world, left its berth at Norfolk, Va., yesterday, accompanied by LSD-50 USS Carter Hall and LSD-43 USS Fort McHenry, and will stop on its voyage to Haiti at Camp Lajeune to take on around 2,000 Marines along with their helicopters and equipment.

Carter said the amphibs will take on a load of eight CH-53E Super Stallion heavy lift helicopters and four UH-1N Hueys, from Marine Heavy Helicopter squadron 461 (reinforced), along with a number of 7-ton trucks, earth moving tractors, water purification equipment that can purify seawater, medical and other humanitarian supplies. The Bataan carries three Landing Craft Air hovercraft in its well deck. “We can put tons of supplies ashore by sea, or we can move tons of supplies with our helicopters,” Carter said. The Marines will leave their Harriers and Cobra attack helicopters behind and there are no plans to deploy the MV-22 Osprey.


The Marines put out a call across the Corps for at least 40 native Haitians or Marines that speak Haitian to embark along with the 22nd MEU. During the Marines most recent pre-deployment work up period they trained two humanitarian relief operations that included working closely with the State Department, NGOs and government relief organizations. Carter said a number of officers and Marines in the 22nd are veterans of the 2007 humanitarian mission to Bangladesh, “that expertise will definitely be important.”

The Marines are preparing for a mission of at least 30 days and probably longer. One of the big advantages of having the Navy-Marine offshore “seabsase” is that teams can be pushed ashore during the day to provide needed muscle and medical expertise to the devastated country and then recovered at night to the ships where they are provided “life support,” and are able to rest. “That reduces the strain on an already strained infrastructure, and we have a great flexibility from those ships to provide command and control of the forces on the ground,” Carter said.

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This is what Barry wants the US military to be.
A meals on wheels force to dispense social justice and to ‘share our wealth’.

No need for F22; FCS; NGB; ABM etc or any true strategic power projection capability.

Obama waited three days to mention his Muslim buddy the Christmas underpants bomber but was just ecstatic and practically ran to his TelePrompTer to send the military on this hatian boondoggle.

Maybe we should follow his health care plan and means test the billions we will again waist on hati

Despite having just returned from a six month deployment as theater reserve for Central Command, the 22nd MEU out of Camp Lajeune, NC., is packing up and will tomorrow for Haiti and expects to arrive early next week.

What a waste of fine troops..

Where’s obama’s UN?

US troops going to relieve Haitians is the single highest mission they could ever take. When Bushco was in power, they would not deploy troops to help anyone in trouble, even Americans. Of course Bushco sent troops to relieve anyone who happened to be over oil reserves.

Thank God we finally have a great President. God bless our troops and God bless President Barack Hussein Obama!!!

Go US!!!

Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

To the above posters who are criticizing our sending of troops to Haiti, I think you should consider the situation on a deeper level.

First of all, I know it sucks that we’re sending troops who just returned home, but functioning in a time of crisis is the job of members of the military–it’s what they signed up for, and it’s a job that needs to be done.

The loss of human lives that we’ll be preventing by sending troops down there is, in itself reason to send troops to Haiti. But think about the geopolitical effect this will have. Not many of us consider how the rest of the world views the United States military. To many, we are seen as a lethal and ruthless fighting first. When they think of the United States military, they think of raw power, carnage, and destruction. Allowing people to see that the military is here to help in times of crisis, even if it’s not a crisis within the US, is a powerful notion.

Clearly we should focus on the fact that we’ll be saving many lives by sending troops down there, but let’s not ignore the geopolitical implications of this.

“US troops going to relieve Haitians is the single highest mission they could ever take”

Really Dan? Because I could have sworn the US military’s primary mission was to defend the United States. That’s what we said when we took our oath, that’s what the Constitution mandates, and that’s what the US taxpayer spends hundreds of billions a year on. If digging some poor schmuck out of rubble in another country is the best you think I should be doing with my time, tell the President to fire us all and hire a few more Red Cross workers. Just because we CAN do this kind of mission doesn’t mean its the most important thing we can do. The reason we keep getting tapped these kinds of missions is because we’re the only ones equipped for it.

I often wonder how Americans fool themselves into thinking how our actions in one sphere automatically change how the world perspectives on our actions in another. For example if we help Muslims in Indonesia, that still doesn’t change how Muslims view our actions in the Middle East.

The only reason to send troops to Haiti (that’s assuming we have to send troops-which we may not) is to make sure conditions don’t erode enough to cause a mass migration to South Florida.

The sending assets like Global Hawk smacks me as overkill, when the crews who run these assets are already overburdened with Iraq and Afghanistan.

You mean kind of like Bush did when faced with similar situations (there is even one mentioned in this article)? But i guess if ‘Berry’ does it it is because he is a crypto-muslim-commie-mud-person. Moron. It is, in a way, refreshing to see the level of commentary on this website.

I guess the five months I spent aboard the USNS MERCY helping Banda Aceh and Nias, Indonesia, after the Asian Tsunami (along with the USS LINCOLN and much of 3MEF) as well as the next year assisting hospitals in the southern Philippines must not have been humanitarian missions, since Bush was President. I believe we have sent out large multi-month humanitarian missions each year since 2005.

If we were not currently in two wars, I wouldn’t find myself feeling a bit cynical about how US military assets are being so freely used in this endeavor. But I guess as Republicans see the military as an agent of regime change, Democrats view the military as a peace keeping and emergency relief force.

If the assets are already in the region, by all means help, but don’t put a further burden on the military (when lives in Afghanistan and Iraq already depend on them) by having them use intelligence assets like Global Hawk in Haiti.

Remember that every time that a disaster ocurr in the Caribean or Central America Florida have a mass migration.

Good Afternoon Folks,

As usual the real story is missed here, and that is the lack of air transport. On the Armed Forces News this PM there ran a story: “Airborne Troops Provide First Glimpse of Relief”, it somewhat detail the deployment of the 82nd. Airborne Division’s ready Bgde. to Haiti. The first 800 troops are not expected to be in Haiti for the a few days, why?

Not enough C-17’s. C-17 #209 was delivered last October to the North Carolina ANG, that is simply not enough C-17’s., instead of buying unneeded F-35’s, lets invest in another 200–300 C-17’s. Right now C-17’s are being recalled from around the world to meet the demands in Haiti, this unquestionably will have a negative implications on the war missions in Afghanistan and Iraq.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I recall a report from back in 2007 that the US armed forces conducted humanitarian missions in over 80 countries around the world, from providing medical immunizations to providing running water. The thing was, there was nothing special about 2007 or that report… as these humanitarian missions is business as usual for the American military.

Good evening, Folks, during last 20 years tons of cocain entered to florida thruogh haiti ‚all this shipments was from colombian cartel,till last week earthquek hapend, as we were informed lots of haitian were involved in traffikiing it to usa ‚miami .Hope with all the help they are getting ‚they be tankfull to USA

Byron, don’t know if you saw but the air force only opened their main airport this morning. I don’t think we were expecting the 82nd to actually drop on Port au Prince.

Yeah, this is fairly similar to the Indonesia tsunami response with the US dispatching an ARG ASAP and then follow-up with additional phib capacity as it came into theater. As a liberal, the tsunami response was one of the things that I strongly approved the performance of Bush.

Byron we need those F-35s just as much as we need more C-17As. The USAF simply cannot keep flying F-15s and F-16s forever.

What did I just say?

I will agree that we can probably use more airlift. My comment was to say I don’t think the delay was because of a lack of planes, rather a lack of a good place to land up until today.

Drugs enter Florida through a variety of islands in the Caribbean– not just Haiti.

It’s not like all this help we are giving them is selfless. The last thing the Federal government or South Florida politicians want is a mass migration of Haitians to South Florida.

We just can’t have Haitians competing with the numerous Hispanics already migrating here (sarcasm).

Good Afternoon Folks,

I want to still address the air lift problem. I agree with what TBM said, and Haiti is not a drop mission, we got lucky there. My point is, the first responder unit, the 1/73 Cav. is a battalion size formation and about 800 of it troopers would be needed in Haiti or on a combat drop. The issue is that the C-17 air lift capacity s not there.

A combat drop would require MORE air lift the what is required in Haiti. Lifters are being crammed as full as they can be with needed supplies, equipment and personal are being “shoe horned in” the C-17’s are flying a 24/7 air bridge. It will still take five days to deploy a battalion in a non airborne operation, non combat and that effort will involve pulling C-17’s out of Afghanistan and Iraq where they weren’t serving as tarmak decorations.

There is not enough money to buy all the stuff the Generals and Admirals want. The AF clearly would rather have “fighter jocks” then “truck flyers” but the military needs at least the ability to move a battalion of the 82nd. in 18 hours.

If the 82nd. can’t get it’s needed lift then there is no use in having a very expensive to equip, train and maintain airborne division. Save a couple of $ billion and make the 82nd. a Light Infantry Division.

In the 21st. Century it’s airlift that’s needed, you can relay on civilian charter for the Haitis or the Combat Jumps that WILL HAPPEN in the future. We don’t need F-22’s or F-35 built for an imaginary foe that most likely not exist with in the life span of either aircraft, but we need C-17’s and lots more of them, now.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Byron if you are not going to respond to people stop re-posting the same nonsense. We do need more C-17s but we also need more F-22s and F-35s. We cannot keep flying F-15s and F-16s forever and praying we never encounter an opponent with some degree of quality air forces is not a valid strategy.

I can see this is going to turn into another classic airpower procurement fight.

The way cost overruns are going with JSF I’m betting the AF is going to get alot less F-35s than it or the Pentagon has planned. It’s anyone’s guess what will will become of the train wreck tanker deal.

Yes,I am agreeing with you,I don’t deny you.Sorry if the sentence was confusing

Was Special Forces Command in charge of the 2004 tsunami effort?

The failures of these and other programs doesn’t change the need for new equipment, aircraft, vehicles, ships, and so forth. And every-time the government interferes trying to “fix” these problems they make it worse it seems.

DAMN, i thougt there would be at least a battalion on the ground within 24 hrs..looks like we may need more C-17’s or maybe with a war on 2 fronts, we just don’t have the capability. If HAITI is getting this kind of aid, how come New Orleans, not too far from Ft Campbell and a tad farther is Bragg, did NOT get this kind of help? How long would it have taken to load vehicles, etc? There is always 1 brigade ready to go, i just can’t believe how different the responses are to almost the same kinda problem..

corrected 7 months deployment

the “ready brigade” don’t have a ride..

Good Morning SkysoldierRecon,

Well put, but I doubt there is many here that understand what you said.

The military for many reasons that mostly have to do with officer careerism and a big payday upon retirement has given away it’s decisions on procurement and a acquisition to private contractors who are in it ONLY for the money and not what troops need.

The fact that the ready brigade of the 82nd. Airborne Division doesn’t have its ride means nothing to these winger manboys who seem to derive some autoerotic pleasures from military hardware. Dull transports, with the exception of the AC-130 just doesn’t get ‘em off like a F-22 or F-35, of course their procurement decisions cost lives, but again soldier and civilian lives are expendable Corporate profits are not.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Byron, that first paragraph is probably one of the few instances where I strongly agree with you. I do, however, disagree with your second paragraph about heavies being dull and unattractive. There are many drivers and maintainers out there that would much rather work with hulking aircraft such as the C-17’s and C-5’s, much like how there are truckers that would much rather drive a Peterbilt Class 379 18-wheeler than a Chevy Corvette. The current CSAF was a former C-130 driver, a needed break from the previous CSAF’s sourced from fighter and bomber backgrounds.

When I asked my son how he felt about leaving so soon and yes he just got back from the Deployment with the 22nd MEU and is on his way to Haiti…“Mom I am a US Marine and trained for this. We don’t get holidays and weekends off, It does not matter if we just got back we have a job to do.“
God Speed to our troops. One proud Marine mom!

its a nice thought, but greed knows no bounds..im sure they will be up and running soon..sorry..

Byron why do you believe every private contractor is some sort of greedy corporate madmen? Have you ever been to any trade shows? They are not ‘evil capitalist stereotypes’ or whatever you want to believe.

We need more transport aircraft but we also need new fighters and other types of aircraft. Age and time is starting to take it’s toll on our fighter fleet. More F-22s and F-35s are the best option unless by some miracle we could design two new fifth generation fighters and have them in production in less than a decade.

Good Evening Trophy,

I’m the one in favor of more lifters. I think it’s great that the current Chief of Staff of the Air Force general Norton Schwartz was head of the air transport before becoming Chief of Staff.

My second paragraph only reflects that the “Fighter Mafia” strongly feels that they are the Air Force as evidenced that most of the Chiefs of Staff of the AF have been fighter pilots and have promoted the purchase of more fighters even though there need has clearly been diminished. I think the use of contract carriers, many foreign flagged, to move US troops is not right, thats the job of the USAF.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

What happened in Hatti is bad, but it’s not our problem or responsibility to aid the world. The military is for the defense of the U.S., not world paece keepers or humanitarian aid workers. It is a waist of assets and manpower. If they are worried about another mass migration then they need to position more Coast Guard and Navy in the area to turn them back. Sorry but my heart only bleeds red –white-and blue. I dont care about the rest of the world while so many AMERICANS are hurting right here at home. At the same time this fiasco shows that we need to go back old school and have dedicated air wings assigned to each airborne division and ships for every amphibious unit rather than the transportation pool system currently used due to budget cuts.

Good evning folks,as all of us know,we do not need another form of new EU/cuba for the rest of this century right next door ‚it is a good friendly move and again thanks to all Arm Forces, is the first time ‚i see Eu is giving 600 millio away to help ‚is other interestes involve too! Any earthqueq or tornado happens in us no one send anything No help to us,Thanks Again to American jenerosity.Sincerely yours

The F-22 cuts happened during George W. Bush, and Secretary Gates is a Bush era holdover. John McCain has openly opposed further F-22 production. I don’t exactly agree with the way the F-22 program has been handled, and I think that a lot of arguments raised against it have been fallacious. But I am so sick of people singling Obama out for cutting military programs that the Republicans opposed as well.

If you have a problem with Obama sending US troops to save lives in Haiti, then just say it. Come on out. Stop hiding behind the veil of being in favor of a strong military. Be straightforward and just say that you don’t think the US Military should save lives when there is a crisis and it has the capability to help.

Of course this post was just another lame example of Obama bashing.

Oh, I agree that airlift is important, and I can’t understand why some people want to shut down C-17 production. That said, the F-22 and F-35 are investments for the future. The next several decades, to be exact. The F-15s and F-16s are aging and won’t last forever. They could probably redistribute funding from fighters to transports. But I think it’s going too far to say that “We don’t need F-22’s or F-35.”

Obama deserves criticism for plenty of other things and certainly doesn’t care much the military. But the F-22 has been failed by all of the political faction. Some of Gates decisions have been very poor also. Did he ever read about the F-111?

Nobody is against saving lives but there is a war going on! If those LHDs could be providing support for troops in Afghanistan they should be in that theater. Plus we are already in a ridiculous amount of debt. Should we try to add to that even faster.

The C-17 is fairly expensive and not very good at strategic nor tactical airlift. That’s the argument for closing the line down (not that I necessarily think that).

Heck I’ll come out and say it, I could care less about Hati or any other country than this one and the American public. No one ever sends us aid or money when we have a disaster but they all scream for us to come running. We should have sent enough aid including military to find and get the Americans out and that is it. The issue with the F22 and 35 is too many countries involved and always changing things. The US needs to design and build fighters for the US only. Joint operations is one thing but sharing too much technoligy is bad. You never know who you will be fighting in the next war.

And I should add, the latest C-17s owe their existence to congressional defense porkers like Rep. Murtha, they weren’t requested by the Air Force.

When people are suffering, there is only one thing to do and that is to help them.
I am proud of the U.S. Thank you!

I was in orleans after Katrina for a couple of months, The money “pledged” by other nations never actualy made it there, and I saw no UN, or other foreign military or aid workers there assisting us. This should be no supprise sense a lot of nations that pledged money to us during desert storm never paid up either. The US pays out billions in aid to other nations on a daily basis rather than focusing tax payers money back towards them. My neighbors stop at our border as far as I’m concerned. I know I’m in a small group of people that feel this way, but our numbers are growing larger every day as people wake up to our governments corruption and irresponsibility in handling our well being.

re: “No one ever sends us aid or money when we have a disaster but they all scream for us to come running.” …Google “hurricane Katrina foreign aid.” And you can’t understand why it’s a good idea to help poor nations that suffer disasters near our borders? Really?

A good use of the USMC. They are the only military service without a mission. The last time they were nothing more than the Army’s auxiliary was during the Inchon landing during the Korean war. In fact 95% of all amphibious landings conducted by US forces during the entire history of the US were by the Army.
Remember, USMC landings only occured in the Pacific during WWII and only 3 were USMC lead. All others were under the direction of the Army or accomplished by Army units only.
In todays world only the Army moved by the USAF is our 911 force. Ship movement of ground combat power is the equivelent of snale mail in a day of email, text messages, face book or twitter. It is time to stop wasting money on hundreds of years of tradition unhampered by progress.

I strongly believe only the Corps could pull something like this off right now. They are self supporting and could sustain w/ out reinforcement for awhile. The US has been doing good things for a long time. This is our backyard, wat are we to do, let them die? We need more of a heavy airlift capability, its been shown right here in this crisis. The “Ready Brgde” had no ride..Byron ur right, getting there fast in ANY situation is crucial. Get there the fastest with the mostest..or something like that. Godspeed to all involved…

Your right, time to re-access our needs. Military airlift is crucial. Those guys shoulda been down there, 18 hrs, wheels up. The AF Spec Ops from Hurlburt looks like a Gulfstream brought them in. Stop bashing the CIC, IF this was N.O. after Katrina, wouldn’t you want a robust response? That was FUBAR all the way around…my God a little good will goes a long way. Keep posting Mr. Skinner, Godspeed…

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ANNIE you go girl — be proud to be a Marine or any other Soldier’s parent or buddy!!! If it was not for a squad of USMC’s 3rd MRBV my arse would be pushing up daisies and that was in 69′ so you kiss my Royal Arse JOHN!!!! it is no waste of money to equip — train — deploy — update — and bring home our fighting men and women. Granted we do waste too much money and resources for so called political gain at home and abroad. Secure our borders now and eliminate immigration of any description for at least the next 6 years and then allow immigration only if it serves our interests at home NOT abroad! We are the only country that gives an illegal immigrant a drivers license, medical card, place to live and free money to boot… Sorry if I ramble too much, but I do get upset these days.

John, I have to disagree with you. The marine expiditionary forces are usualy right on the tails of SPECOPS units deployed to hot zones. Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm and so on. They are at sea ready to strike on order with all the gear needed till the rest of the military can arrive. A expiditionary task force on station can get just about anywhere in a weeks time, todays transports are no like the WW2 snails. These guys spend about 6 months or more at a time deployed at sea ready to strike so dont go counting them short in anyways. I love our Army guys to but sitting back at base and able to go out in town is easy compared to months at a time on a ship. Give credit where its due. And in the pacific the Marines were always first ashore (unless UDT was sent in first).

Good job Boomer! Other than a typo on (waste/waist) I agree! But some think we are the worlds police force. And ‘they’ still hate the military! Go figure?!!!

welp daniel you must still be at the cartoon network watching heckle and Jeckle if you think obama is a fine president… lets just forget the trillians of dollars he is placing this country in debt .. and to who.. and we doint want to linger on all of his lies both past and present.. oh and never mention the country that is known or was known in the rst of the world as our front door„ in case you forgot its Israel.. not once has your commander in chief ever even nodded his head when the Iranians starting testing rockets n missles capable of carrying nuclear weapons and have openly said when they get things right that they would wipe Israel off the map..

man alive he has told so many lies and for one small pointer.. when you go saying we have a great president remember you are speaking for yourself. he is not a natural born American.. Lie # 1
he promised everything but has delivered nothing.

Lie #2— when the ground commander ask for more troops .. yer pres went on a whirl wind vacation for 2 months before sending the troops.. rather you like it or not the man kknown right now as Burak Obama is a hard core islamic musilum.. he even preached all about the holy koran one day in a speech , he made sure he spent about 30 minutes of our tax dollars telling how good the holy koran was , how truthful, and he even forgot for a minute he was on national tv and pronounced the holy koran rolling the Koooo and the Rrrran, then quickly changed back to what we call english… it bothers me that such an person who was nothing more than a chicago city counseler can have millions to become president and never seen the grand cayon old faithful etc untill he was elected and had free reign as to anywhere he wanted to go… I am so sorry about your case of dementia.. ya’ll take care now, ya here

Posse commitatus. (sp??)

Semper Fi,
Dave

John —

Which three landing were you referring to? Are they among those listed below, or have I missed them?
Guadalcanal
New Britain
New Guinea
Tarawa
Peleliu
Guam
Saipan
Tinian
Kwajelien
Makin
Iwo Jima
Okinawa

Thanks,
Dave

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