GOP Girds For Tough QDR Fight

GOP Girds For Tough QDR Fight

Capitol Republicans have been banging heads over the last few weeks, trying to figure out how to counter the expected results of the soon-to-be-released Quadrennial Defense Review.

While much of this concern is strictly political — how do we nail the Democrats on national security issues as we approach the election — there is genuine concern among some GOP staff and lawmakers that Defense Secretary Robert Gates will stuff some very unpalatable choices down their throats, such as cutting two aircraft carriers from the force, killing the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle and not buying enough F-18 E/Fs to make up for the ever-slowing pace of the F-35 program.

The greatest challenge for the Republicans is simple: Robert Gates, who has drawn the mantle of this QDR tight about his shoulders, stands behind the decisions arrived at during the QDR and he was appointed by a Republican. His national security credentials are impeccable and no one can accuse him of being weak on national defense or a misguided Democrat.

Also, every signal coming out of the Pentagon indicates the 2011 budget will grow in real terms by at least 2 percent. That will make it very hard for the GOP to criticize the general policy approach of the Obama Pentagon. That growth will come, at least in part, by making some hard choices about which weapons systems to buy, something Deputy Defense Bill Lynn hinted at today in a speech at a conference organized by the Institute for the Study of Foreign Policy and Ash Carter, head of Pentagon acquisition, discussed yesterday at the same conference.

Carter said that the double-digit growth of the Bush years “lessened discipline. We need to recapture that discipline.” Then he offered what he called Gates’ “guiding lights” for how to evaluate a program and determine if it is disciplined enough to survive.

“Number 1 is performance,” Carter said. “The second is whether a system is adaptable to a number of circumstances or whether it’s good for only thing. And the third, of course, is whether we have enough already. Those are the criteria you saw him use last year and I think he’ll use those this year.”

My colleague Andrea Shalal-Esa got some good gouge on just what those systems will be in the budget, which should be released Feb. 1. Top of the list are those two programs the Gates’ Pentagon loves to try to kill, Boeing’s C-17 and the General Electric/Rolls Royce second engine for the Joint Strike fighter. Of course, this also puts the ball in the congressional court, giving the administration a large amount of trade space to work in as it negotiates the final defense budget over the next seven or eight months.

On top of that, Andrea’s story for Reuters says that the new CG(X) cruiser will die, along with the plan to build a replacement for the Navy’s EP-3 aircraft.

On top of those, “The Pentagon plan also would scrap work on an advanced infrared missile warning sensor program for which Science Applications International Corp and Raytheon Co have been competing, and end a Pentagon human resources system by Northrop Grumman Corp. One document said $500 million had been spent on the Northrop program over 10 years with ‘little to show and limited prospects.’”

In keeping with Carter’s criteria, the documents Andrea got “showed continued strong funding for shipbuilding, fighter and electronic warfare aircraft and other weapons programs. They also pointed to continued effort to beef up intelligence programs, unmanned systems, cyber security, and enhanced efforts to counter biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.

With the fight in Afghanistan incredibly reliant on helicopters and ISR assets, Andrea’s story says that:

The Pentagon plans to ask Congress for more than $9.6 billion for various rotary wing aircraft. These include $1.2 billion for Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters; $3.1 billion for different models of H-60 helicopters built by Sikorsky Aircraft, a unit of United Technologies Corp; and $2.7 billion for V-22 tilt-rotor planes built by Boeing and Bell Helicopter, a Textron Inc unit.

The proposed budget request also includes $10.7 billion to continue development and procure 42 Lockheed F-35 fighters under a restructured program aimed at stabilizing cost and schedule, with a main engine built by Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies. One additional F-35 is included in the Pentagon’s separate war funding request.

In addition, the next generation bomber effort will get $4 billion “over the next five years to maintain the U.S. bomber industrial base, study plans for a possible new bomber, and upgrade existing B-2 and B-52 bombers.”

And, in a decision that has been a long time coming, Andrea’s documents say that “the Pentagon said it would end its partnership with the Department of Commerce on a polar-orbiting environmental satellite [NPOESS] being developed by Northrop, and develop separate satellite systems.”

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“…no one can accuse him of being weak on national defense or a misguided Democrat.”

Sure they can. Maybe you haven’t been paying attention to the comments here Colin, but stuff like that gets said a lot (OMG he canceled the F-22 but the generals wanted more, he’s the second coming of McNamara etc.). They can also switch things up: Obama needs a Republican SecDef because Dems are such lightweights on defense… therefore, elect Republicans. Make the strength a weakness, and lie like hell if all else fails.

It doesn’t matter what Sec.Gates does. Anytime you cut a popular weapons platform, you are automatically accused of risking life and country. It goes with the territory.

He can certainly be accused of being misguided on defense, if not weak. Some of those cancellations defy logic. Colin, either I’m reading this wrong or Andrea Shalal said in the same document “cancel EP-3 and CG(X) AND provide funding for shipbuilding and electronic warfare…” How is it possible to cancel those two systems and then say you’re funding them. Please correct me if I read that wrong.

Carter’s justification for cancelling a program is also a bit contradictory. He said he wants to pay for performance, which is great, but cancel if the system only does one thing. Most of our over-budget systems are over budget because we try to cram a sh!t ton of missions into one package which takes longer and costs more. If a system does one thing, then it seems more likely to be on-budget and probably does that one thing very well.

Of course gates is weak. He is bowing to barrys bidding and gutting power projection capability

for perspective the democrats just raised the debt ceiling 1.6 trillion eqivalent to over 440 aircraft carriers.

Well they want to pay for that abomination of a health-care bill somehow. But I am clearly a “right wing extremist” led by “hatemongers” for supporting a powerful military and opposing all of this politically correct BS.

What’s of more interest (to me at least) is the coming nuclear posture review and Congress’ work (or lack of) on Cyber Command legislation…that and airlift.

What are you trying to accomplish here? Do you think the readers here like to watch you and the right-wingers go ’round and ’round? Can’t you find anything in the article worth responding to?

Daniel,
I wouldn’t have even added the ‘respectfully’ part. I have no respect for people who only get their jollies from big shiny penis-replacements like the F-35 that serve no other purpose because they don’t work.
We can spend all the money we want on military hardware. Really we can, but since we can’t manage to control cost growth in the largest sector of our economy with the second smallest return on investment (that’s healthcare, for anyone who hasn’t bothered to pay attention beyond teabagging) it won’t really matter in another generation or so because there won’t be any money left to buy fuel for the planes or pay for sailors to crew the ships.

Dear readers:

I’ve had to edit a number of posts in the last few days that strayed from making pungent, articulate and focused comments about defense issues. Those who make personally insulting comments risk being barred from our site. Be vociferous and rant all you want about the defense enterprise and critique arguments. Don’t sling mud and get personal.

On with the debate! Politely…

It seems as if the new QDR will be more evoluntary than revolutionary (as many people hoped). But we’ll see shortly.

Thankyou!

Fairly taken, Colin.

Good Morning Folks,

Although at this point we are only speculating about the QDR and Sec. Gates is quite capable of unpredicted moves, all in all what is posted by Colin make sense.

The P-3 replacement, the P-8 (a Boeing modified 737) doesn’t seem to offer much more then the current 60 year old P-3 has to offer, and it has to be taken into consideration that the P3 fleet has just finished an extensive modernization.

The CG(X) is simply unneeded. Te Navy is really going in the opposite direction in needing a haul in the 2,000 to 2,500 ton range like the aging but still useful German Meko Class Corvette at $300 million out the door it is now a bargain.

When the Navy again visits the Cruiser Class, now in the 15,000 to 20,000 ton range it might want to look again at the CGN. The CGN would permit an escort to stay on station with a CVN while the DD-51’s and LCS’s would have to pull back every 5–7 days for refueling.

I like the C-17 and wish we could double it’s number, but I can also see the need to spread the money around. This will in the future limit our ability to deploy ground forces and disaster aid quickly in the future, but thats just a trade off.

The small allocation of $4 billion for a next generation bomber is simply as Colin said to keep the industrial base and no more speculation needs to be added. We did the same for Boeing satellite division in 2002.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

The 747–8 freighter is supposed to cost slightly more than a C-17 but it lifts nearly 300k lbs. It’s not an ideal military cargo hauler, but what do you think about buying some of those to supplement airlift (provided Boeing gets them flying, of course)?

William C,

Every single thing you write has to be focused through the ideological purity filter. If we give a penny to a poor child or a starving veteran, then that’s “socialism and communism”. If we try and make billion dollar weapons makers accountable, then that’s “unAmerican”.

That has little to do with whether or not we should spend every cent on a military and leave Americans to languish, but I admire you for admitting where you stand.

Respectfully,

Daniel Russ
Civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup​.com

I think we should end the socialist heath care provided to military families so they can find better care in the free market. This will help reduce the debt and allows us to keep two carriers.

The P-8 will have a bomb bay to drop small missiles. Make it big enough to launch 10 cruise missiles, or 10 2000lbs bombs, or 10 long-range antiship missiles, then you don’t need two carriers.

Cancel the LCS and buy a little bit smaller, slower real multi-mission corvette or frigate to perform the littoral mission. A more useful ship could be purchase for less money and have more capability without the 50+ knot speed requirement. The only thing speed does in the littorals is get a ship in trouble. It still can’t outrun or dodge a missile and if you absolutely have to be there that fast; you should have brought an air plane!

Looks like finally someone is noting that the Navy and Marines have nary a mission. The mission is in the middle of the desert for heaven’s sake. The sea services should be glad that is all they are cut. If I was there it would be appropriate to the mission and the threat rather than to give money to satisfy political interests. It seems the republicans have lost track of mission and threat when they talk.

All
bt
If what we reviewed is anywhere near correct, mayber, just maybe, there is some level of sanity in DOD. We MUST fiscally clean up our act. A continued, as we have always done it policy, simply will not be doable in the rest of this century. We can expect the OBNA to cause indebtedness beyond our wildest nightmares, so at least DOD seems to have gotten the USA Electorate message. Which is as follows:
bt
January 24, 2010
Congressional Representative and Senator:
The following is the Common Sense Philosophy that I would have you follow in creating; amending or modifying any Legislation created by you or brought to the Floor for debate. Your attendance daily to these Common Sense Principles will ensure your continuance in the USA Electorate Elected position of Trust that you hold.
Bt
1. The United States of America is good.
2. We believe in God and He is the Center of our lives.
3. We must always try to be a more honest person than we were yesterday.
4. The USA American Family is sacred. It is the ultimate authority not the Government.
5. Justice is blind and no one is above the Law.
6. We, the USA Electorate, have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, with no guarantee of equal results.
7. Government cannot force us to be charitable. We will work hard for what we have and we will share the results with whom we decide to.
8. It is not Un American to disagree with authority or to share our opinions.
9. The Government works for us. We do not answer to the Government, It answers to us.
End

Bt
Specifically, Senator, the words are Common Language, applicable each and every time you are coreced into voting for Lefist Liberal agenda. In good conscience, you and your colleagues cannot follow the LEFTIST lead and adhere to these Common Sense PRinciples.
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Semper Fi

Gentlemen,

I am pro military, but would anyone please tell me:

1. Why do we need 12 Carriers versus 10?
2. Where would we use a new Strategic Bomber?
3. Where would we use the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle?

I want us to be prepared to fight today’s wars; not WW2, and none of these systems are likely to be of any use in the asymmeterical wars of the 21st century.

A lot of good points and a lot of uninformed points. The P3’s could be replaced by less expensive aircraft such as a retrofitted KINGAIR for a lot less and could be made carrier capable as well. Theydont have to be large aircraft because many helos are ASW platforms aboard ships. The current schedule supporting the war is the reason for the two new carriers. The new ones are supposed to be stand alone craft outfitted to be more efficient and self reliant without the need for a large assortment of protection and support crafts. The LCS does need to go away — The cyclone class even though it only does 45 knts is the perfect platform @ 145 ft for littorals as is the SWCC MK46 for intercoastal operations. The NAVY has taken back most of the Cyclones it was giving to the coast guard because they realized they have a use for them, they could easily add on torpedo tubes and cruise missle launchers (plenty of room) and still support SPECOPS.

CONTINUED: As for the expeditionary vehicle — believe it or not the marine expiditionary forces are involved in this war despite what many have stated here (they were obviously not involved in this war) The MARINES occupy a lot of the hotspots and frontier posts. and the NAVY is flying missions in support of this war from carriers by conducting in flight refuleing, not to mention the number of SEALS on the ground (FROGMEN do know how to operate out of the water) so those that belive this war is being fought solely by the army and air force need to do more studying. Gates or nobody else can watch over everything — what makes a lot of these new programs so hard to manage is that they are joint endevors with other countries who are always trying to take charge and make changes without talking to the other countries, no clear chain of command was established and the contractors take advantage of it every chance they get because it’s more money in thier pockets.

12 carriers allows for more sea coverage and having carriers in port on rest cycle, though I couldn’t tell you how the actual requirements add up. A new bomber would be used in the exact same places current bombers are used. The question for the new bomber will be whether or not it looks and acts more like the B2 or the B52. The EFV is needed to maintain the Marines ability to land and attack shorelines, but the Marines have been breaking the bank trying to make the EFV a boat that can be launched from far out to sea and a heavily armored troop carrier that can attack deep inland and its not working.

Which is to say you don’t really have an answer.…

Remember, you’re not just led by “hatemongers” but you are one too,… in addition to being a “fearmonger”, lol

Sincerely,
Your fellow “hatemonger” who also supports a powerful military

Indeed, to provide just one specific example look at the (25,000 I believe) Marines in the Anbar Province who are switching to Afghanistan by the end of August.

Jeff,
(1) 12 carriers is based on 4 “footprints” (Atlantic, Western and Eastern Pacific, Mediterranean) with one carrier on station for a six-month, one returning and taking downtime and maintenance, and one working up and training to replace the carrier currently on station, for each of those four operational footprints. Ten (10) carriers may create gaps in full-time coverage in each footprint or require some carriers to stand by in port and deploy when called, rather than workup for for a full six-month deployment. Of course, wartime operating tempo may require a carrier to be on station for longer than a normal six-month deployment.

Jeff,
(2) New strategic bomber, where to use? Good question. But from a requirements versus usage persepctive, the question out to be “if we don’t really use them to counter a current threat” — and the Russians are really a threat any more — “why don’t we just park the ones we have and conserve their remaining operational life?” If we want to replace them because thay are worn out, just build more of the same (and save the R&D bucks), since no one is out there who can afford to build anything to beat what we currently have.

I meant “and the Russians aren’t really a threat any more.”

Jeff,
(3) Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle, where to use? Plenty of water out there and plenty of places to use it. But the real question here is should be “how many do we need?” Given that the older amphibious landing craft need replacement at some point in their lives, we should consider whether we need to reoutfit every Navy amphibious assualt ship with a set of new EFVs? Outfitting all of them says we are going to fight a world war. If we are only to fight occasionally, we don’t need as many (maybe only two-thirds to half as many). We took six months staging to invade Iraq the first time, which was plenty of time to marshall all the amphibs we needed for an over-the-beach assault that never took place. Point is that our acquisition strategies should reflect some reality.

I think you meant to say the Russians aren’t really a threat anymore… and I agree. Park ‘em (the bombers) on the off chance we may need them some day, but I can’t see a need for carpet bombing anymore. Especially when precision bombing puts the fear of God into almost anyone.

John,

I am a Marine and I believe strongly that we don’t need the EFV. There are far better ways to get ashore, and once ashore I can’t envision the EFV being a decent APC.

Jeff,

True. Storming the beach is one problem. Shore transport another. I agree that the current USMC single solution is not very effective. But it’s the same problem with the HMMWV, which was never intended to be a combat vehicle.

I think the Corps has come to this same conclusion. They have actualy taken a look at and had some prototypes built on the new jeep 4 door models, full roll cages, heavy duty engine –trans and suspension. can carry twice the vehicles in aircraft, light weight and fast. They are also looking at lightening the AMTRACKS with composites to make them faster. so they know one vehicle wont fit all bills.

Agreed. The larger question here is do we want the Corps to be another Army with armor and heavy vehicles. That doesn’t make sense to me. The Marine Corps has a viable role as our ready to fight now force, and that ability requires it to be a light infantry. We take objectives; we don’t hold objectives. If we need more forces for long term commitments we should expand the Army and keep the Corps focused on ready now requirements. Comment?

I like your thinking, but let me posture you this QDR-like question. I believe the Army and Marine Corps are actually too big for the roles they now have, mainly because of the large tail-to-tooth ratios. This is not the large force-on-force WW2 style battles the Pentagon dreams about, but the search-and-destroy, small groups versus smaller groups of insurgents more typical of a new, long term era in national security. And should we radically shift resources from big ships and jet fighters to more individually-centered comabt power?

You might be mistaken in your strategy in regards to Leadership. When you say Obama needs a Republican SecDef, you should recall that Gates is a hold over from the Bush Administration, further, the most recent appointment to the Secretary of the Army went to an ® which is John McChugh, former ranking member on the House Armed Services. One more point, associating canceling the F-22 with being weak on defense is a fairly week argument. As we all know that the F-22 has never actually served in OEF or OIF, and adding 20 more F-22’s would not even begin to stem the Chinese, should they ever be a threat.____One point to note, when the term “weak on Defense” is thrown around. When the administration decides to cut programs that are over budget and irrellivent to the current threat, they are considered weak on Defense. However, I have to recall the 3rd reich’s military technology. They had much better tanks than the U.S., much more sophistacted, and as it turns out, we emulated a lot of the advances in technology discovered by the Germans. However, the thing that destroyed the panzer was the sheer numbers of less advanced tanks, that could be rapidly produced, and deployed.

The MARINES have always survived as a mostly self reliant unit in the field. Granted there are times when they are engaged in large scale operations, but most of the times they are self sufficient small unit’s and very capable. They are nowhere near the mindset of the army and every marine unit is trained in insurgency fighting and have been for a long time now. A lot of this comes from thier cross training with the SEALS over the years where they have seen how effective small units can be and have adapted to that type of warfare as part of thier training. Unfortunately the ARMY sticks to the manual which makes them easy to contemplate because you can get a copy of it off the net and realize how they are going to react to your attack which allows you to set up a secondary attack before they even counter attack you.

Maybe I was being too dry for you. I’m very sorry.

An ideology filter? Oh yes because I am clearly typing out of Dick Cheney’s underground lair. He must approve it all after all.

Why are you under the impression that I want children or veterans to starve? Of course not. But I don’t want people to be able to live off welfare either. And I certainly want the defense industry to deliver their products on time and on budget.

Yet you are failing to look at the problems on the government end, instead choosing to incessantly attack companies like Lockheed, Northrop, and other. Yet we don’t see any alternatives to the programs you want to cancel. Truth is we need the F-35, and there are now no serious alternatives. F-22 production was cut too early, upgraded F-16s don’t have the range or technology, and upgraded F-15s are costlier than the F-35 is expected to be.

As a thirty year vet who raised a family under the military health care system, I take exception to this comment. My wife of 50 years and I (and my three children, all born in military hospitals) have been supported by the military heath care system all of our adult lives. We have received excellent health care, at least equivalent to the care we received during the short time when it was not available and we relied on the local medical community. One civilian cardiologist, upon examining my wife for a recurring problem, told her that she was suffering from “congestive heart failure and had maybe two years to live”. After visiting a military hospital soon after, the doctor there told her that she had a thyroid problem. That was twelve years ago. I don’t know what Tim’s personal problems might be, but for my family and I, military health care has been more than adequate.

Speak for yourself about God. He might not be everybody’s answer to their problems, and I don’t need you to tell me how to live my life.

Is the Northrop human resources system they are going to end called DIMHRS?

“It is not unAmerican to disagree with authority or share our opinions”. Yet, the Republicans scream everytime someone disagrees with them. Preachers preached that Nixon was appointed by God to be President back in ’72 when people disagreed with him expanding the war. Republicans went crazy when anyone disagreed with Shrub and Cheney about the need to attack Iraq. Republicans constantly criticize Democrats about being “weak on defense”. Look what Republican policies have gotten us since Reagan doubled the national debt by going for a 600-ship Navy, the invasion of Grenada, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Are we any safer? Hell, no.

The Republicans scream when everybody disagrees with them? The Democrats immediately cry racism or sexism and resort to insults whenever somebody doesn’t share their “politically correct” views.

Reagan built up some debt but that money was well spent modernizing our armed forces and we paid that money back. Today with Barack we are spending a far greater sum on wasted “stimulus” plans and bribes! Reagan didn’t invade Iraq and Afghanistan for your information.

The reasons the Democrats are criticized for being weak on defense is because they usually are weak on defense. They kill off countless projects, cut funding, and pay no attention to military needs while wasting money everywhere else. Some Republicans are just as bad, but at least some like Reagan provided the funding needed.

Truly those are principles every American should agree on.

Yet as Don shows even when this is so clear, the leftists think they know a better way by wanting to turn our country into a godless, self-loathing, defenseless, nanny-state.

Jeff: When we deployed 5 carriers during Operation Iraqi Freedom, it was because we had 12 carriers. We had a carrier in a 3 year overhaul, we had carriers in training and workups, we had carriers returning from deployment, and still were able to field 5 carriers at once. That’s huge.

During the first gulf war, we deployed 6 carriers, when we had 15.

Also — despite smart weapons, the worlds oceans don’t get any smaller, it still takes time to transit when deploying, and the simple fact is if one got it, or two, it takes 5 years to build another.

I support 15 carriers, not 12. Additionally, carriers likely have prevented more conflicts than they’ve engaged in because they exist. When a carrier arives on station, it gets noticed.

As long as the USA exists, our very existance will be threatened. That’s why we need the military that we have.

To top it off,Gates made a huge mistake not building a force of up to 400 F-22’s. Now that production has occured, the cost per aircraft are approaching the F-35.

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