Comments on: Augustine Likes Space Debris Treaty http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:42:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ICBMhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-28904 ICBM Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:51:36 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-28904 On this idea, also see Dale Armstrong in The Space Review: "Space Preservation or Space Destruction?" <a href="http://www.thespacereview.com/article/825/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.thespacereview.com/article/825/1</a> On this idea, also see Dale Armstrong in The Space Review: “Space Preservation or Space Destruction?” http://www.thespacereview.com/article/825/1

]]> By: Benhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-28675 Ben Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:56:00 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-28675 just send it to the moon, im sure a updated satelite can be made just send it to the moon, im sure a updated satelite can be made

]]> By: Phoenixhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19390 Phoenix Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:59:42 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19390 I, too, am frustrated by all the years of incestuous awarding of contracts and commission memberships that have the people who created the problems from the beginning being the ones telling us how to solve the ones left over from the greedy days of extreme profits, the awards of huge golden parachutes, and selection for membership on boards of directors that reward them and their cronies. When our aerospace industry workforce and the stockholders wake up and find out what has happened - guess who the winners are? I, too, am frustrated by all the years of incestuous awarding of contracts and commission memberships that have the people who created the problems from the beginning being the ones telling us how to solve the ones left over from the greedy days of extreme profits, the awards of huge golden parachutes, and selection for membership on boards of directors that reward them and their cronies. When our aerospace industry workforce and the stockholders wake up and find out what has happened — guess who the winners are?

]]> By: Guesthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19138 Guest Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:18:34 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19138 Norm Augustine? Are you referring to the same Norm Augustine that could not come up with a single innovative idea for NASA other than give more money to Lockheed Martin? The same Norm Augustine that made millions for himself by selling out Martin Marieta and taking the poison pill money to merge with Lockheed? The same guy that from time to time reiterates the same old platitudes that have led to consistent cost overruns and millions in undeserved revenues for the big aerospace companies? And now, shockingly, he is proposing yet another extremely expensive corporate welfare program to reward his old cronies. If he is "as close as you get these days to the giants of aerospace", it is a reminder of how far we have fallen. Perhaps it is this lack of leadership that is our real problem. Norm Augustine? Are you referring to the same Norm Augustine that could not come up with a single innovative idea for NASA other than give more money to Lockheed Martin? The same Norm Augustine that made millions for himself by selling out Martin Marieta and taking the poison pill money to merge with Lockheed? The same guy that from time to time reiterates the same old platitudes that have led to consistent cost overruns and millions in undeserved revenues for the big aerospace companies? And now, shockingly, he is proposing yet another extremely expensive corporate welfare program to reward his old cronies. If he is “as close as you get these days to the giants of aerospace”, it is a reminder of how far we have fallen. Perhaps it is this lack of leadership that is our real problem.

]]> By: Oblehttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19119 Oble Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:28:37 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19119 Perhaps they could put together a TV program where all these dreams could be realized. Meanwhile in the real world the money for all these dreams doesn't exist. The Moon and Mars missions will be scrapped and and the space program will consist of begging seats on Soyuz. Perhaps they could put together a TV program where all these dreams could be realized.

Meanwhile in the real world the money for all these dreams doesn’t exist. The Moon and Mars missions will be scrapped and and the space program will consist of begging seats on Soyuz.

]]> By: Phoenixhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19084 Phoenix Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:32:00 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19084 What a wonderful opportunity for the current administration to create high-tech, high-paying, short-termed jobs as a stimulus to the economy along with drilling off-shore. What a wonderful opportunity for the current administration to create high-tech, high-paying, short-termed jobs as a stimulus to the economy along with drilling off-shore.

]]> By: BRMhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19076 BRM Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:10:54 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19076 How is it possible for the material left up there to stay suspended in orbit for any length of time; next we'll have our own rings like Saturn to deal with on every launch from here on up. I'd be looking into buttnig a craft that generates a magnetic field to draw debris to it; if we can track the debris, the old shovle scoop type craft that stays out for security and another agency to dump on EPA with wings. They'll start the pick up the glass, metal, plastic and Bio to return to home base; cost should be imposed to who own's it..or use it to recyle it to a stockpile on the moon or add the maintenence shop on the Space Station and include a neuclear oven to melt down what is salvaged to help with discounting the cost of what takes to operate out there. I wouldn't think all the governments that are Celestial Travelors that are responsible would want to share any of their technology. there is still an interest in such salvage; you would think someone would form a space mining operations on asteroids to start with those of interest and world safety; toe it to the moon and harvest what ails you. How is it possible for the material left up there to stay suspended in orbit for any length of time; next we’ll have our own rings like Saturn to deal with on every launch from here on up. I’d be looking into buttnig a craft that generates a magnetic field to draw debris to it; if we can track the debris, the old shovle scoop type craft that stays out for security and another agency to dump on EPA with wings. They’ll start the pick up the glass, metal, plastic and Bio to return to home base; cost should be imposed to who own’s it..or use it to recyle it to a stockpile on the moon or add the maintenence shop on the Space Station and include a neuclear oven to melt down what is salvaged to help with discounting the cost of what takes to operate out there. I wouldn’t think all the governments that are Celestial Travelors that are responsible would want to share any of their technology. there is still an interest in such salvage; you would think someone would form a space mining operations on asteroids to start with those of interest and world safety; toe it to the moon and harvest what ails you.

]]> By: Jack Mehoffhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19062 Jack Mehoff Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:37:15 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19062 Good luck. Do you really think you're going to just fly up there, chase down an object the size of a softball, moving at 17,500 mph and toss it in a trash bag? LOL. You're not even addressing the thousands or more debris objects the size of a quarter, that you cannot track. This debris comes from multiple sources, old boosters, satellite breakups, colissions, and yes, ASAT tests. The only REAL solution is to not put more stuff up there, but that's not going to happen. Eventually, we will have so contaminated near earth orbit, that you'll not be able to put anything up there. Good luck. Do you really think you’re going to just fly up there, chase down an object the size of a softball, moving at 17,500 mph and toss it in a trash bag? LOL. You’re not even addressing the thousands or more debris objects the size of a quarter, that you cannot track.
This debris comes from multiple sources, old boosters, satellite breakups, colissions, and yes, ASAT tests. The only REAL solution is to not put more stuff up there, but that’s not going to happen. Eventually, we will have so contaminated near earth orbit, that you’ll not be able to put anything up there.

]]> By: DensityDuckhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19058 DensityDuck Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:49 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19058 Looks like a job for Hachimaki and the Half Section! Looks like a job for Hachimaki and the Half Section!

]]> By: mike jhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19051 mike j Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:55:24 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19051 The Space Shuttle is really not a good platform for that- too expensive and too fragile. The mission would be robotic. Apart from that, I like the idea of NASA as space janitors, seems to resonate for me. There's some really interesting science behind capturing or possibly destroying space debris in situ without adding to the problem. The Space Shuttle is really not a good platform for that– too expensive and too fragile. The mission would be robotic. Apart from that, I like the idea of NASA as space janitors, seems to resonate for me. There’s some really interesting science behind capturing or possibly destroying space debris in situ without adding to the problem.

]]> By: John Kinghttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19049 John King Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:04:06 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19049 Here's an idea. If NASA is looking for a mission, have them keep the Shuttle, but assign it a new mission -- Space Waste Management. All they have to do is capture each of the 7,000 pieces of space junk as they literally "sweep the skies", pushing each piece towards the Earth, where it will burn up on re-entry. Like carbon credits, we assess each "owner" of the 7,000 items a small surcharge to pay for the fuel the Shuttle will burn up. Problem solved! Here’s an idea. If NASA is looking for a mission, have them keep the Shuttle, but assign it a new mission — Space Waste Management. All they have to do is capture each of the 7,000 pieces of space junk as they literally “sweep the skies”, pushing each piece towards the Earth, where it will burn up on re-entry. Like carbon credits, we assess each “owner” of the 7,000 items a small surcharge to pay for the fuel the Shuttle will burn up. Problem solved!

]]> By: Zachhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/26/augustine-likes-space-debris-treaty/#comment-19043 Zach Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:29:08 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12610#comment-19043 We NEED to clean up all the dead satellites and other junk we left out in space. Best option would be to join with other space agencies around the world (and perhaps making one global space agency). And have all nations chip in for space exploration (and space cleanup). But people will go cry about sovereignty and other stupid junk, while budgets shrink, and people talk about sending probes to asteroids, instead of returning to the moon and setting up a base there, then eventually sending manned missions to mars and colonizing it. We NEED to clean up all the dead satellites and other junk we left out in space. Best option would be to join with other space agencies around the world (and perhaps making one global space agency). And have all nations chip in for space exploration (and space cleanup). But people will go cry about sovereignty and other stupid junk, while budgets shrink, and people talk about sending probes to asteroids, instead of returning to the moon and setting up a base there, then eventually sending manned missions to mars and colonizing it.

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