<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Cut Budget, Gut Capabilities: Gates</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:56:40 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: popeye</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-29018</link> <dc:creator>popeye</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:41:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-29018</guid> <description>No Oboom Boom said it </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Oboom Boom said it</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: popeye</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-29017</link> <dc:creator>popeye</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-29017</guid> <description>It&#039;s was during Oboom Boom Campaign in 08. &quot;DipStick&quot; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s was during Oboom Boom Campaign in 08. “DipStick”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John King</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20809</link> <dc:creator>John King</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20809</guid> <description>A lot of DoD problems with IT and other business systems modernization is the inability of anyone in a leadership role to use Teddy Roosevelt&#039;s big stick within the Pentagon.  DIMHRS didn&#039;t take 10 to 15 years to fail because of leadership, but because of a lack thereof.  The military services and other players need to get their concerns on the table, OSD needs to force a best-of-breed solution on everyone, and then implement it.  Takes maybe one or two years. As to CFO and Clinger-Cohen, I agree they are impediments.  But show Congress (and its GAO puppets) how to do things and then ask for the process to be changed.  Revisions like the new weapons acquisition legislation - creating more reporting bureaucracy - just add to our self-imposed problems.  Nothing will change unless a Gordon England or hopefully Bill Lynn go out and kick some b**t.  A good starting point is to take their money away.  But not put it into a BTA (which is just a public works project for B-school program management types). </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of DoD problems with IT and other business systems modernization is the inability of anyone in a leadership role to use Teddy Roosevelt’s big stick within the Pentagon.  DIMHRS didn’t take 10 to 15 years to fail because of leadership, but because of a lack thereof.  The military services and other players need to get their concerns on the table, OSD needs to force a best-of-breed solution on everyone, and then implement it.  Takes maybe one or two years.</p><p>As to CFO and Clinger-Cohen, I agree they are impediments.  But show Congress (and its GAO puppets) how to do things and then ask for the process to be changed.  Revisions like the new weapons acquisition legislation — creating more reporting bureaucracy — just add to our self-imposed problems.  Nothing will change unless a Gordon England or hopefully Bill Lynn go out and kick some b**t.  A good starting point is to take their money away.  But not put it into a BTA (which is just a public works project for B-school program management types).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Leadership?</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20798</link> <dc:creator>Leadership? </dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20798</guid> <description>All I can say is be careful what you wish for,  because the &quot;old-fashioned leadership&quot; and &quot;special action committee&quot; solution Mr. King  suggests has already been tried and it doesn&#039;t work: The Defense Business Systems Management Committee, chaired by the Deputy Secretary of Defense, was created in Feb 2005 and has met every month since then to review all business-IT system investment decisions in the Department involving more than one million dollars.  That hasn&#039;t stopped &#039;disasters&#039; like DIMHRS from happening, however.  So, as appealing as Mr.  King&#039;s  call for &quot;old-fashioned leadership&quot; sounds, bad leadership is NOT the reason  the Department has had so many problems over the last 15 years trying to get things right in this area.   There is another reason and it has to do with specific requirements in the CFO Act of 1990 and the Clinger-Cohen Act of 1996 (both of which became law largely in response to GAO lobbying) that have given DOD leaders no choice but to pursue &quot;enterprise-level solutions&quot; (like DIMHRS) that would become the magic bullet making the department&#039;s &quot;business&quot; (i.e., support) operations more effective and efficient.  We now have more than 15 years of history - with leaders in place as talented as Gordon England was and as Bill Lynn may yet prove to be - that shows the CFO Act and Clinger-Cohen Act approaches not only don&#039;t  work,  but actually make things worse. [The DBSMC, by the way, was established in 2005 in response to hysteria whipped up by the GAO (and reinforced, unfortunately, by then Comptroller Dov Zakheim, who should have known better)  that DOD&#039;s spending on business IT systems was &quot;out of control.&quot;  (The GAO actually - and unprofessionally - used those words in a May 2004 report.)  At the very time GAO and Mr. Zakheim were asserting that the Dept had &quot;too many systems,&quot; and that business-IT-system spending  was &quot;out of control,&quot; the Department&#039;s FY 2004 budget request for business IT systems was for $18.8 billion ($14.0 billion for operations and maintenance and $4.8 billion for development and modernization).  That figure represented 4.9 percent of the DOD&#039;s total budget request for FY04.  By way of comparison,  private-sector spending on business IT systems in the same time frame, expressed as a percentage of revenues, ranged from 1.7 to 7 percent, depending on industry involved, suggesting that the DOD&#039;s spending was, in fact both reasonable and to be expected.] </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is be careful what you wish for,  because the “old-fashioned leadership” and “special action committee” solution Mr. King  suggests has already been tried and it doesn’t work:</p><p>The Defense Business Systems Management Committee, chaired by the Deputy Secretary of Defense, was created in Feb 2005 and has met every month since then to review all business-IT system investment decisions in the Department involving more than one million dollars.  That hasn’t stopped ‘disasters’ like DIMHRS from happening, however.  So, as appealing as Mr.  King’s  call for “old-fashioned leadership” sounds, bad leadership is NOT the reason  the Department has had so many problems over the last 15 years trying to get things right in this area.   There is another reason and it has to do with specific requirements in the CFO Act of 1990 and the Clinger-Cohen Act of 1996 (both of which became law largely in response to GAO lobbying) that have given DOD leaders no choice but to pursue “enterprise-level solutions” (like DIMHRS) that would become the magic bullet making the department’s “business” (i.e., support) operations more effective and efficient.  We now have more than 15 years of history — with leaders in place as talented as Gordon England was and as Bill Lynn may yet prove to be — that shows the CFO Act and Clinger-Cohen Act approaches not only don’t  work,  but actually make things worse.</p><p>[The DBSMC, by the way, was established in 2005 in response to hysteria whipped up by the GAO (and reinforced, unfortunately, by then Comptroller Dov Zakheim, who should have known better)  that DOD’s spending on business IT systems was “out of control.”  (The GAO actually — and unprofessionally — used those words in a May 2004 report.)  At the very time GAO and Mr. Zakheim were asserting that the Dept had “too many systems,” and that business-IT-system spending  was “out of control,” the Department’s FY 2004 budget request for business IT systems was for $18.8 billion ($14.0 billion for operations and maintenance and $4.8 billion for development and modernization).  That figure represented 4.9 percent of the DOD’s total budget request for FY04.  By way of comparison,  private-sector spending on business IT systems in the same time frame, expressed as a percentage of revenues, ranged from 1.7 to 7 percent, depending on industry involved, suggesting that the DOD’s spending was, in fact both reasonable and to be expected.]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John King</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20787</link> <dc:creator>John King</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:43:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20787</guid> <description>The Business Transformation Agency is another one of those &quot;better management&quot; diversions that pop up every few years.  This is why the bureaucracy continues to grow.  And why it eventually collapses.  Creating BTA was a step backwards.  We need good, old-fashioned leadership to solve these &quot;purple&quot; or Pentagon wide system modernization needs.  For example, old-fashioned leadership would say to pull together an &quot;special action committee&quot; of existing management personnel who report directly to a guy that can fire them for not getting their job done.  Once back on track, the committee is disbanded. BTA just adds another costly layer, with a separate set of rules, and which is overstaffed with contractors.  And creating a &quot;Chief Management Officer&quot; amplifies the problem of poor management.  The Deputy Secretary of Defense, who has filled that role, should be chief head-banger.  Otherwise, we should fire him! If we can&#039;t fix the bureaucracy that supports our troops, how do we ever expect to win a war? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Business Transformation Agency is another one of those “better management” diversions that pop up every few years.  This is why the bureaucracy continues to grow.  And why it eventually collapses.  Creating BTA was a step backwards.  We need good, old-fashioned leadership to solve these “purple” or Pentagon wide system modernization needs.  For example, old-fashioned leadership would say to pull together an “special action committee” of existing management personnel who report directly to a guy that can fire them for not getting their job done.  Once back on track, the committee is disbanded.</p><p>BTA just adds another costly layer, with a separate set of rules, and which is overstaffed with contractors.  And creating a “Chief Management Officer” amplifies the problem of poor management.  The Deputy Secretary of Defense, who has filled that role, should be chief head-banger.  Otherwise, we should fire him!</p><p>If we can’t fix the bureaucracy that supports our troops, how do we ever expect to win a war?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: I M BIGG</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20779</link> <dc:creator>I M BIGG</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:40:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20779</guid> <description>This is the smoke and mirror.  the fact is the DoD BTA asked the Committee to move this money around (Like chairs on the Titianic) and then told the Serivces to certify that Core IT Investment and request the necessary funding. SEE THE DODIG Report for the $16.7Billlion required to have a military personnel and pay system!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the smoke and mirror.  the fact is the DoD BTA asked the Committee to move this money around (Like chairs on the Titianic) and then told the Serivces to certify that Core IT Investment and request the necessary funding.</p><p>SEE THE DODIG Report for the $16.7Billlion required to have a military personnel and pay system!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Accountability?</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20586</link> <dc:creator>Accountability?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20586</guid> <description>The &quot;enterprise office&quot; for DIMHRS was the Business Transformation Agency , and the Program Manager was a BTA employee.  They&#039;ve both been fired. Yes, it  would be very interesting to know what caused the estimated life-cycle cost of DIMHRS to increase from $1.78 billion (a Dec 2008 MAIS estimate made by the BTA) to $26.67 billion (a June 2009 estimate made by AT&amp;L and the Services). David Fisher is the head of BTA and Dr. Nancy Spruill is the  Director for Acquisition Resources and Analysis in AT&amp;L .  Mr. Fisher reports to the Deputy Chief Management Officer, who hasn&#039;t been appointed yet, so he reports to nobody.   Dr. Spruill reports to the USD(AT&amp;L) and has held her job for more than ten years.  She led the USD(AT&amp;L)-directed re-evaluation of DIMHRS that came up with the $26.67 billion estimate. Mr. Fisher and Dr. Spruill  should both be called before Congress to explain. (If for no other reason because there are another fourteen MORE   &quot;DOD-wide-system&quot; acquisition programs, separate from DIMHRS,  being &quot;managed&quot; at the BTA.  One such program, for example,  is the Defense Agencies Initiative (DAI), which is supposed to show that financial management for 28 different Defense Agencies can be accomplished using a single, commercial-off-the-shelf Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) system.  You can&#039;t make this stuff up.) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “enterprise office” for DIMHRS was the Business Transformation Agency , and the Program Manager was a BTA employee.  They’ve both been fired.</p><p>Yes, it  would be very interesting to know what caused the estimated life-cycle cost of DIMHRS to increase from $1.78 billion (a Dec 2008 MAIS estimate made by the BTA) to $26.67 billion (a June 2009 estimate made by AT&amp;L and the Services).</p><p>David Fisher is the head of BTA and Dr. Nancy Spruill is the  Director for Acquisition Resources and Analysis in AT&amp;L .  Mr. Fisher reports to the Deputy Chief Management Officer, who hasn’t been appointed yet, so he reports to nobody.   Dr. Spruill reports to the USD(AT&amp;L) and has held her job for more than ten years.  She led the USD(AT&amp;L)-directed re-evaluation of DIMHRS that came up with the $26.67 billion estimate.</p><p> Mr. Fisher and Dr. Spruill  should both be called before Congress to explain.</p><p>(If for no other reason because there are another fourteen MORE   “DOD-wide-system” acquisition programs, separate from DIMHRS,  being “managed” at the BTA.  One such program, for example,  is the Defense Agencies Initiative (DAI), which is supposed to show that financial management for 28 different Defense Agencies can be accomplished using a single, commercial-off-the-shelf Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) system.  You can’t make this stuff up.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Why oh Why</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20530</link> <dc:creator>Why oh Why</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:43:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20530</guid> <description>Looking at the DoDIG report I was wondering how costs went from about 1.7 Billion total cost to 16 Billion dollars and why this was never explained by management.   How can this system have increased this much, and as John said when will Congress have them produce and field a best-of-breed system. With Personnel and Pay it just doesn&#039;t seem that it should take over 10 years to complete, why was the Program Manager and enterprise office not held accountable? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the DoDIG report I was wondering how costs went from about 1.7 Billion total cost to 16 Billion dollars and why this was never explained by management.   How can this system have increased this much, and as John said when will Congress have them produce and field a best-of-breed system. With Personnel and Pay it just doesn’t seem that it should take over 10 years to complete, why was the Program Manager and enterprise office not held accountable?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Inquiring Minds</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20426</link> <dc:creator>Inquiring Minds</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20426</guid> <description>The &quot;someone&#039;&quot; who will be in a position to devote his or her full attention to the job of figuring out what needs to be done about management issues like DIMHRS (and &#039;banging heads together&quot; when that&#039;s necessary) will be the new Deputy Chief Management Officer, who will be operating at the Under Secretary level (though they won&#039;t have that title). Unfortunately, the first DCMO still hasn&#039;t been appointed.   Anybody heard any rumors? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “someone’” who will be in a position to devote his or her full attention to the job of figuring out what needs to be done about management issues like DIMHRS (and ‘banging heads together” when that’s necessary) will be the new Deputy Chief Management Officer, who will be operating at the Under Secretary level (though they won’t have that title).<br /> Unfortunately, the first DCMO still hasn’t been appointed.   Anybody heard any rumors?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John King</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20419</link> <dc:creator>John King</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20419</guid> <description>DIMHRS actually started out as a Congressional add, courtesy of a local powerful Louisiana Congressman.  After pushing the pork for a few years, it became an official Pentagon &quot;program of record.&quot; But the problem here, as is clearly evident from the DoDIG report (which is itself defective), is no leadership.  Someone needs to bang heads together, field a best-of-breed system and turn off all the other stuff. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DIMHRS actually started out as a Congressional add, courtesy of a local powerful Louisiana Congressman.  After pushing the pork for a few years, it became an official Pentagon “program of record.”</p><p>But the problem here, as is clearly evident from the DoDIG report (which is itself defective), is no leadership.  Someone needs to bang heads together, field a best-of-breed system and turn off all the other stuff.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DoDGuy</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20410</link> <dc:creator>DoDGuy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20410</guid> <description>Either way, though, I fully agree that it&#039;s a big waste of $$. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either way, though, I fully agree that it’s a big waste of $$.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DoDGuy</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20409</link> <dc:creator>DoDGuy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20409</guid> <description>This was a very interesting read.  While you may be right in saying that DODIG is pushing OUSD(AT&amp;L) back toward a DoD level system, it seems that the IG&#039;s main point was that their decision making was hastily done and had little substance to back it up.  Seems like everyone would be better served if they at least completed their due diligence and re-worked their BCA. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very interesting read.  While you may be right in saying that DODIG is pushing OUSD(AT&amp;L) back toward a DoD level system, it seems that the IG’s main point was that their decision making was hastily done and had little substance to back it up.  Seems like everyone would be better served if they at least completed their due diligence and re-worked their BCA.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the DIMHRS lesson?</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20371</link> <dc:creator>the DIMHRS lesson?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20371</guid> <description>For anyone interested in the DIMHRS experiment (and, by extension, future prospects for the Department&#039;s  Business Transformation Agency )  the DODIG report cited by DoD Civ  is worth reading. (It&#039;s available at:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041redacted.pdf)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041red...&lt;/a&gt; I think the IG&#039;s report shows (it certainly didn&#039;t mean to do this ) that the Department finally has a USD(AT&amp;L) willing to push back against the conventional view (long promoted by the GAO, and hopelessly embedded in the charter of the BTA) that for DOD  &quot;business transformation&quot; to succeed, the DOD must be viewed, wherever possible, as a &quot;single corporate enterprise.&quot;   The problem is that  the Army, Navy, and Air Force -- because their missions are different -- each have their own, distinct  history, culture, and operating methods.   As a result (and understandably enough),  they each would like to develop and operate their own systems for personnel management, including making their own improvements to their existing systems. The Acquisition Decision Memorandum signed  by USD(AT&amp;L) last September, which cancelled DIMHRS as a DOD-wide (i.e., &quot;enterprise-level&quot;)   program, allows them to do that.    It remains to be seen whether that will be cheaper and more effective than continuing with DIMHRS (how could it not be, right?), but OUSD(AT&amp;L) now believes it will be, based on the latest business-case analysis it has done.  The DODIG&#039;s report shows the DODIG is not convinced, but offers nothing to make its case beyond the usual, GAO-style hand-waving  about the alleged advantages of  the &quot;enterprise-level&quot; approach. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interested in the DIMHRS experiment (and, by extension, future prospects for the Department’s  Business Transformation Agency )  the DODIG report cited by DoD Civ  is worth reading. (It’s available at: <a href="http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041redacted.pdf)" target="_blank">http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041red…</a></p><p>I think the IG’s report shows (it certainly didn’t mean to do this ) that the Department finally has a USD(AT&amp;L) willing to push back against the conventional view (long promoted by the GAO, and hopelessly embedded in the charter of the BTA) that for DOD  “business transformation” to succeed, the DOD must be viewed, wherever possible, as a “single corporate enterprise.”   The problem is that  the Army, Navy, and Air Force — because their missions are different — each have their own, distinct  history, culture, and operating methods.   As a result (and understandably enough),  they each would like to develop and operate their own systems for personnel management, including making their own improvements to their existing systems. The Acquisition Decision Memorandum signed  by USD(AT&amp;L) last September, which cancelled DIMHRS as a DOD-wide (i.e., “enterprise-level”)   program, allows them to do that.    It remains to be seen whether that will be cheaper and more effective than continuing with DIMHRS (how could it not be, right?), but OUSD(AT&amp;L) now believes it will be, based on the latest business-case analysis it has done.  The DODIG’s report shows the DODIG is not convinced, but offers nothing to make its case beyond the usual, GAO-style hand-waving  about the alleged advantages of  the “enterprise-level” approach.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the DIMHRS lesson?</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20348</link> <dc:creator>the DIMHRS lesson?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:44:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20348</guid> <description>Not sure DoD Civ&#039;s characterization of the DoDIG audit  of the DIMHRS is correct - and it&#039;s worth trying being clear about the DIMHRS collapse if things in this area are ever going to get any better. The DoDIG&#039;s report (available at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041redacted.pdf)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041red...&lt;/a&gt; is actually mainly about criticizing a Sept  2009 USD(AT&amp;L) decision to walk away from  the  &quot;DOD-wide&quot; approach represented by DIMHRS and to let  the Services to develop their own, separate systems for HR management.   Part of the problem is that the DODIG doesn&#039;t accept an OUSD(AT&amp;L) business-case analysis (released in June 2009) that (probably) contributed to the USD(AT&amp;L)&#039;s Sept 2009 decision to shut DIMHRS down.   In particular, the  DODIG is understandably suspicious about  cost figures in the BCA that say DIMHRS life-cycle costs would be $26.6 billion, as opposed to a MAIS life-cycle-cost  estimate of  $1.78 billion submitted six months earlier.  But waht makes the 26.6 billion figure even more suspicious to the IG, however, is that it makes the BCA&#039;s life-cycle cost estimate for the separate-Service-solution, $14.2 billion,  look like a bargain.  As previous commentors have said - the whole thing is a big  waste of money, no matter what figures are used. Reading between the lines of the OSD response to the IG&#039;s report, however, it&#039;s pretty clear the real reason DIMHRS was canned is NOT because of its costs (either way they are too great ) but because the Army, Navy, and Air Force - understandably enough, given their differences in mission, culture, operationally , etc.-- finally managed to convince USD(AT&amp;L) that the &quot;DOD-wide&quot; approach was simply never going to meet their needs. The real lesson of DIMHRS is that at some point DOD leaders need to stand up to GAO and its supporters (they are legion) and point out DIRECTLY that the DoD is not, never has been, and never will be the  &quot;single corporate enterprise&quot; that the &quot;architects&quot; of business transformation have been saying it &quot;must&quot; become -- no matter how much it costs and how many years it takes to get there.  Why?  What&#039;s wrong with separate, smaller solutions.?  (Maybe they really would be cheaper, by the way.) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure DoD Civ’s characterization of the DoDIG audit  of the DIMHRS is correct — and it’s worth trying being clear about the DIMHRS collapse if things in this area are ever going to get any better.</p><p>The DoDIG’s report (available at: <a href="http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041redacted.pdf)" target="_blank">http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-041red…</a> is actually mainly about criticizing a Sept  2009 USD(AT&amp;L) decision to walk away from  the  “DOD-wide” approach represented by DIMHRS and to let  the Services to develop their own, separate systems for HR management.   Part of the problem is that the DODIG doesn’t accept an OUSD(AT&amp;L) business-case analysis (released in June 2009) that (probably) contributed to the USD(AT&amp;L)‘s Sept 2009 decision to shut DIMHRS down.   In particular, the  DODIG is understandably suspicious about  cost figures in the BCA that say DIMHRS life-cycle costs would be $26.6 billion, as opposed to a MAIS life-cycle-cost  estimate of  $1.78 billion submitted six months earlier.  But waht makes the 26.6 billion figure even more suspicious to the IG, however, is that it makes the BCA’s life-cycle cost estimate for the separate-Service-solution, $14.2 billion,  look like a bargain.  As previous commentors have said — the whole thing is a big  waste of money, no matter what figures are used.</p><p>Reading between the lines of the OSD response to the IG’s report, however, it’s pretty clear the real reason DIMHRS was canned is NOT because of its costs (either way they are too great ) but because the Army, Navy, and Air Force — understandably enough, given their differences in mission, culture, operationally , etc.– finally managed to convince USD(AT&amp;L) that the “DOD-wide” approach was simply never going to meet their needs.</p><p>The real lesson of DIMHRS is that at some point DOD leaders need to stand up to GAO and its supporters (they are legion) and point out DIRECTLY that the DoD is not, never has been, and never will be the  “single corporate enterprise” that the “architects” of business transformation have been saying it “must” become — no matter how much it costs and how many years it takes to get there.  Why?  What’s wrong with separate, smaller solutions.?  (Maybe they really would be cheaper, by the way.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DoD Civ</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20334</link> <dc:creator>DoD Civ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:37:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20334</guid> <description>An important point is that a DoD IG Audit and numerous internal DoD studies documented the reason for DIMHRS failure as governance at a senior level.  The issues and problems requiring remediation by DIMHRS still remain thus driving the continuation of separate service, hell-spawn-children of DIMHRS systems.  The problem of governance remains -  only now coupled with a triple cost of implementation and ongoing system support.  Only an outside organization such as Congress can force the DoD senior leadership necessary to prevent continuation of this failure in governance. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important point is that a DoD IG Audit and numerous internal DoD studies documented the reason for DIMHRS failure as governance at a senior level.  The issues and problems requiring remediation by DIMHRS still remain thus driving the continuation of separate service, hell-spawn-children of DIMHRS systems.  The problem of governance remains —  only now coupled with a triple cost of implementation and ongoing system support.  Only an outside organization such as Congress can force the DoD senior leadership necessary to prevent continuation of this failure in governance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DoDGuy</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-20088</link> <dc:creator>DoDGuy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-20088</guid> <description>That is true for FY2010, however, the Pentagon has requested for 2011 $100 million for the new &#039;Army DIMHRS&#039;, $43 million for &#039;Air Force DIMHRS&#039; and over $27 million for &#039;Navy DIMHRS&#039;.  So that&#039;s another $170 million just for FY 2011 requested to continue what they themselves describe as a failure. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is true for FY2010, however, the Pentagon has requested for 2011<br /> $100 million for the new ‘Army DIMHRS’, $43 million for ‘Air Force<br /> DIMHRS’ and over $27 million for ‘Navy DIMHRS’.  So that’s another<br /> $170 million just for FY 2011 requested to continue what they<br /> themselves describe as a failure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Re : DIMHRS</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-19844</link> <dc:creator>Re : DIMHRS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-19844</guid> <description>To confirm/clarify  the preceding DIMHRS comments, here&#039;s the statement from the Senate Appropriations Committee regarding the DIMHRS program in FY 2010: &quot;Defense Integrated Military Human Resources System [DIMHRS]- DIMHRS is designed to provide an integrated, multi-component personnel and pay system to the Services. In August 2009, the Department asked the Committee to transfer fiscal year 2010 funds requested for DIMHRS under the Business Transformation Agency to the Services for execution in accordance with a recently completed program restructure that transitions this capability to the Services. The Committee has accommodated this request as detailed in the tables accompanying this report.&quot; The tables referred to show the DIMHRS FY2010 budget request was for $70 million to be managed by the DOD Business Transformation Agency.  The Senate Appropriations Committee removed  $51.3 million  from the program (by reducing  Army R&amp;D by $30.8 million and  Air Force R&amp;D by $20.5 million, which otherwise would have transferred to BTA).  That leaves $18.7 million for the program in FY 2010 - to be managed by the Army (I think,  but I&#039;m happy to be corrected on that). </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To confirm/clarify  the preceding DIMHRS comments, here’s the statement from the Senate Appropriations Committee regarding the DIMHRS program in FY 2010:</p><p> “Defense Integrated Military Human Resources System [DIMHRS]- DIMHRS is designed to provide an integrated, multi-component personnel and pay system to the Services. In August 2009, the Department asked the Committee to transfer fiscal year 2010 funds requested for DIMHRS under the Business Transformation Agency to the Services for execution in accordance with a recently completed program restructure that transitions this capability to the Services. The Committee has accommodated this request as detailed in the tables accompanying this report.”</p><p>The tables referred to show the DIMHRS FY2010 budget request was for $70 million to be managed by the DOD Business Transformation Agency.  The Senate Appropriations Committee removed  $51.3 million  from the program (by reducing  Army R&amp;D by $30.8 million and  Air Force R&amp;D by $20.5 million, which otherwise would have transferred to BTA).  That leaves $18.7 million for the program in FY 2010 — to be managed by the Army (I think,  but I’m happy to be corrected on that).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Re: DIMHRS</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-19785</link> <dc:creator>Re: DIMHRS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-19785</guid> <description>I am also a contractor that works on military pay and personnel systems for the Government.  I can tell you as well that DIMHRS is not cut.  It&#039;s still around and still soaking up millions of dollars.  &quot;THEY&quot;, whoever THEY are, have just renamed the project.  I also think the cost was more than half a billion over the last 10 years.  No matter who &quot;THEY&quot; are, The Honorable Mr. Gates is responsible. The DIMHRS project (pronounced DIMERS), as so many other, died a political death.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a contractor that works on military pay and personnel systems for the Government.  I can tell you as well that DIMHRS is not cut.  It’s still around and still soaking up millions of dollars.  “THEY”, whoever THEY are, have just renamed the project.  I also think the cost was more than half a billion over the last 10 years.  No matter who “THEY” are, The Honorable Mr. Gates is responsible. The DIMHRS project (pronounced DIMERS), as so many other, died a political death.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DIMHRS</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-19662</link> <dc:creator>DIMHRS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:19:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-19662</guid> <description>The real joke is that DIMHRS isn&#039;t really dead.  The services are taking over the disaster that was delivered and are going to try to implement it themselves, thus repeating the same mistake and costing taxpayers millions more. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real joke is that DIMHRS isn’t really dead.  The services are taking over the disaster that was delivered and are going to try to implement it themselves, thus repeating the same mistake and costing taxpayers millions more.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: robertro2</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/02/cut-budget-gut-force-structure-gates/#comment-19601</link> <dc:creator>robertro2</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=12848#comment-19601</guid> <description>why don&#039;t they get the money from &quot;OBAMA&quot;he seems to have plenty to pay them 42 CZAR and staff,his wifes has plenty on her staff she can give some back,he can stay in DC and save that gas for the planes,cut them big parties he has when he is in DC,they always have the money for what they want ,but our military always gets the short stick.....this sec. should get out now may be he can save face..... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why don’t they get the money from “OBAMA“he seems to have plenty to pay them 42 CZAR and staff,his wifes has plenty on her staff she can give some back,he can stay in DC and save that gas for the planes,cut them big parties he has when he is in DC,they always have the money for what they want ‚but our military always gets the short stick.….this sec. should get out now may be he can save face.….</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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