Laser Guided Hydra Nears Production

Laser Guided Hydra Nears Production

The long and often halting development of the Advanced Precision-Kill Weapon System (APKWS), a laser guided version of the Hydra 2.75-inch rocket, appears to finally be reaching an end and production could, possibly, begin this year.

In early January, Marine AH-1W Cobra helicopters fired the precision rocket at a variety of targets and scored direct hits on all eight shots, said APKWS II builder BAE Systems in a press release this week.

APKWS was to provide a lighter, cheaper and more versatile laser guided missile alternative to the larger and more costly Hellfire and TOW missile families; a precision missile with a small warhead to limit collateral damage that could be fired from a range of aircraft including helicopters, drones and jets.


The Army was originally interested in APKWS and Raytheon, BAE and Lockheed Martin were all competing for the contract. While BAE’s Hyrda rocket won, the Army zeroed funding for it in 2008. The story would have ended there, but for the Navy, that stepped in and took over APKWS development funding that same year. The ever economical Marines took a liking to the simple but effective rocket. Further environmental tests on the rocket are to be carried out in the next few weeks and a production decision is expected within the next couple of months.

BAE’s press release contains the standard promotional quote from an operator, Marine Corps Maj. Matt Sale, who said: “We are confident that APKWS is the right-size weapon for many of our typical engagements and will be highly effective in allowing Marine aviators to prosecute targets.”

The Navy/Marines are also building new warheads for the APKWS including a Multi Purpose Penetrator in response to an urgent request from Afghanistan for a small warhead able to penetrate buildings and an even smaller, around 10lb., warhead, so pilots can engage targets at “danger close” range to ground troops.

Navy budget documents say the service plans to spend $114 million this year to buy 818 of the rockets/missiles, new warheads, guidance kits and launchers.

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From what I read, Lockheed Martin had the better system with more of an off-boresight angle that practically enabled the Apache or other helo to fire at extreme angles where the rocket would almost do a 180 turn!

Plus they were talking of making the DAGR (the LM entry) into something that could be fired from a ground launcher to protect FOB’s. Maybe a COP Keating would have fared differently had we had a few ground based DAGR’s.

$139,364 per round. And while I know the price will come down with large volume buys (theoretically), I can’t help but wonder why we don’t just drop large bags of pennies on the bad guys.

Advenced Penny Bag Weapon…Wow, I like that one! Finally, a good use for the penny.

Napalm is pretty cheap, but it has that whole sticks-to-kids problem.

I wonder how many seekers can track the same spot? This might be how we finally get the Itano Circus!

Those rockets are probably made in the thousands considering a Cobra or Apache can go through a dozen per sortie. If that’s the price of the prototype then they’re probably including R&D costs along with it. The mass produced rocket will probably be a fraction of the price.

Your comment about the pennies reminded me of an early West Wing episode regarding the barely functional missile defense shield: “Can’t we just pay North Korea the $80 billion to not bomb us?”

DD-you only think that because of that song.

Whatever happened to the Griffin missile? According to:

http://​www​.aviationweek​.com/​a​w​/​b​l​o​g​s​/​d​e​f​e​n​s​e​/​i​nde…

“the U.S. Army has bought more 45-pound Griffin mini-missiles from Raytheon to arm — well, we’re not sure, as not much has been said about the weapon.”

Has any more info on Griffin, or it’s use in combat, been released?

esmoore5–
According to Wikipedia (FWIW) the griffin was developed as a smaller alternative to the hellfire for use on predator drones.
They may be in live fire tests over there, they might have disappeared into the CIA’s hands, who knows.

The expense of guided weapons really cripples the ability to wage war. If we want these rockets and missiles to be cheaper we have to invest less into capabilities and more into production efficiency. The only incentive to producers to make a cheaper weapon is to not be out bid by the next guy. With as many contracts arounds its easier to specialize to attain efficiency than to develope cheaper manufacturing which cuts into the allowable mark up.

Now all they need is a simultaneous multiple engagement targeting and acquisition system… or just something that can target muchos tangos at once.

“The Navy/​Marines are also building new warheads for the APKWS including a Multi Purpose Penetrator in response to an urgent request from Afghanistan for a small warhead able to penetrate buildings and an even smaller, around 10lb., warhead, so pilots can engage targets at “danger close” range to ground troops.”

I’m loving this part of the article. Especially the last sentence. Anything that can help soldiers “danger close” and also minimizes the chances of hitting our troops. Is a good thing to throw money at!

I was seriously chastized for singing that cadence in college during a PT run past the Dean’s office.

Good Morning Folks,

Recycling old technology, I love it. The Hydras in Vietnam were widely used but you had to get back away because accuracy was a problem. It appears that that problem has been solved.

Not mentioned here but is welcomed by the guys/gals on the ground is the reintroduction of a flechette round. With the new accuracy this round should be a big hit.

I agree with DensityDuck on NAPLAM. NAPLAM cases a horrendous death but all combat deaths are horrendous what NALPM doesn’t do is stick around (pun intended).

The Cluster Bomb that replaced NAPLAM as a more humaine weapon, is not. I don’t think it matters much if you are crispy burnt toast or you body was torn up like a chicken at KFC, you are the same dead. The problem that hasn’t yet been solvable with the CBU is that in any given bomb about 10% of the bomblets won’t explode on impact, or in an air burst but will hang around on the ground armed waiting for a kid to pick up.

Also NAPLAM is a lot cheaper and from personal experience it is very effective and as soon as the smoke clears you can go into the area and not have to look out for little yellow packages of UXB.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

The precision revolution keeps marching down the size scale. 70mm ? Check. What’s next? How about precision 40mm grenades fired for CAS? When do we get precision 30 mm bullets for the A-10 and Apache?

“What’s next?”

How about this?:

“VIDEO: Future killer insects will find you, blow your head off”:

http://​www​.flightglobal​.com/​b​l​o​g​s​/​t​h​e​-​d​e​w​l​i​n​e​/​200…

…you do realize that I was *joking*, right?

I don’t think he understands sarcasm. Tho I have to give him a thumbs up, he didn’t post one word about a “winger tank” :)

Well once the cost per round goes down, let’s also look at the way that they’ll be used. Rather than firing entire salvos of rockets to “spray-and-pray”, how about deliberately aimed single rounds? Sounds more efficient to me in terms of effectiveness, combat duration and economics.

sounds good to me, how much is one of our guy’s life’s worth? you can’t put a price on that. if they have to be over there, they might as well have the best weapons. get ‘em boys!

Actually you CAN put a price on a human life. Insurance companies do it all the time.

So does DoD and the Congress. That’s why we have the weapons, body armor, and other equipment that we have instead of other stuff.

The Alliant Tech Gator system seems to be the best system I have seen as a regular 19 round pod can carry 18 missiles, (with one space used for the guidance system). This is vastly superior the the small number of rounds of other systems. On epod with 18 Gators and 12 additional hellfire missiles allows one helicopter to target 12 tanks or APCs and 18 additional soft vehicles or ground targets. Seems that Alliant can make the missiles cheaper as they have built in savings as they make the rocket motors already, and any other system developed would require a profit margin for the manufacturer and Alliant. Gator only requires that Alliant makes a profit.

Then everyone would be building missiles and bombs just so we can pay them. On emissile defense system protects against all the nasty countries at the same time.

what a rip off. They should just use Hellfire at $5000 a round.

How about cut penny flechette rounds. Uh, oh maybe we need to keep the pennies whole so as to not offend those out there who would make the charge that firing a flechette round of cut pennies would cause too horrable of wounds and great pain while in the process of dying.

Edward, there is work being done on a precision .50 Caliber bullet.

Anyone hear anything about Raytheon’s TALON? That seems the best system to me. Besides APKWS, none of the other systems (DAGR, GATR) have actually been tested and sold. I read that TALON has been sold in the UAE already and other countries are looking at it too…seems to me to be the only proven weapon system.

Tom–except Hellfire’s are more expensive…

Just how many nasty countries are there? There’s only one that MIGHT possibly have a chance of attacking us with a missile, and that’s North Korea. The Chinese won’t because, like a loan shark, you don’t kill the guy who owes you money, you slap him around till he pays you back. The Russians won’t. They can’t even guarantee that their stuff works anymore. The Iranians? The Israelis should worry, if Iran doesn’t collapse into civil war in the next three years.
We don’t need to spend 8 billion on missile defense to protect ourselves from Kim Jong Il. Hell, the mob paid what–$50,000 plus hotel to whack Kennedy. I should think we can take care of Kim for a reasonable amount, even acounting for inflation.

They’re already designing precision guided rifle bullets as well for our riflemen.

It’s called a sniper rifle. How much more precision can you get?

Tons of initiatives. Precision mortars. Electromagnetic mortars. Fuel-air warheads (even on RPG). Advanced 25mm rifle. Even a DARPA .50 cal smart rifle.

The original Slammer was a great application. Massed 70mm fires off a towed launcher. Brute force over accuracy.

A two and three quarter inch rocket? How in the world can enough explosives be packed into such a small rocket to blow anything besides my nose? Or are we talking about 2 and 3/4 inches in diameter?

Diameter dude, diameter.

the whole point of the hydra 70 rockets is to fire rapid burts of them over a widespread area to have a large are of effect. The unguided variety do that job better than the guided version would because all of the guided ones would hit in the same spot wich would be a waste. Just use a hellfire is you want to do a lot of damage in one spot. Hydras are most effective as unguided.

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